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We welcome to tonight's ordinary council

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meeting of the City of Parramatta I

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declare the meeting open at 6:39 p.m.

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The City of Parramatta acknowledges

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 the Burramattagal People of

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the Dharug Nation as the traditional

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owners of land and pays its respect to

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their ancient culture and to their

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Elders past, present, and emerging. This

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council meeting is being recorded and

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streamed live on council's website in

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accordance with section five of the

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council's code of meeting practice. The

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recording will be made available on

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council's website and visitors in the

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public gallery should be aware that they

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may be recorded. All persons attending

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the meeting are to refrain from making

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any defamatory statements. Members of

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the public, please note that in court of

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council's code of meeting practice, the

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recording of the council meeting by the

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public using any devices , audio or

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video is only permitted with the express

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permission of council. Recording of a

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council meeting without permission may

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result in the individual being expelled

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from the meeting.

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We have received an apology and leave of

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absence to be accepted by councellor

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Darley. Are there any further apologies?

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No. Can I have a motion to accept the

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apology from councellor Darley to grant a

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leave of absence?

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Seconded.

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Moved. councellor Ellard. Seconded.

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Deputy Lord Mayor. All those in favor?

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Aye. Anyone against? No. Carried

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unanimously.

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Do we have any councellors wishing to

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attend tonight's meeting via audio

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visual connection? No, we don't. Can I

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get a mover of confirmation of the

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minutes?

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From the 10th of June 25 meeting.

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Second.

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Move. councellor Raffoul seconded. councellor

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Prociv. All those in favor? aye. Anyone

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against? Carried unanimously.

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Got a question.

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Next one

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on the minutes.

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Oh, sorry.

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That's okay. Yeah,

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I can still ask the question.

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Yes sir.

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I recently raised that the minutes

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be in a PDF form which can be 

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searchable. So all the minutes I noticed

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and it has been changed I think recently

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but can we ensure that all the minutes

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on public website are searchable so that

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we can look for specific things in the

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minutes.

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Thanks counselor. yeah throw me to

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the CEO. Can we take that on notice

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please and make sure we  attend to

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that. Thank you.  I have now minutes

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of the extraordinary council meeting

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held on the 23rd of June. There was an

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amendment done to that  per councellor

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Greenwood's correction to one of the

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items. I believe that's been amended and

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it's been published. Correct. Is that

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correct councellor Greenwood? You happy

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with that?

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Okay. But staff have advised they have.

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So I'll trust they have. Can I get a

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mover and a second of those? If councellor ?

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second councellor Pillamarri all those in

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favor I. Anyone against? carried

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unanimously.

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councellor,

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we are now up to disclosures of

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interest. Councellor Pillamarri has

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disclosed a non-significant

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non-pecuniary interest and item CCC

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2517, public exhibition of concept

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designs for Harris Park streetscapes and

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welcome treatment for the reason that he

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has property in Harris Park. Although

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not in the area mentioned in the report

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as a precaution, he wishes to disclose a

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non-significant non-pecuniary

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will remain in the meeting and take part

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in the discussion and voting on this

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item. Acting CT parameter and design

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executive director Robert Colonia

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disclosed the precuniary interest in item

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NOM 2527 traffic issues regarding major

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events in Sydney Olympic Park in

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Newington for the reason that he owns a

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property his principal place of

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residence and so this action may impact

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on the amenity of living in the suburb

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which may then have an impact on

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property values in the area. Robert will

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remain in the medium but will not take

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part in any discussions on this matter.

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Do any other councils have a declaration

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of interest?

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No.

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So, anyone else? No. Okay, perfect. Um,

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do we need to move a motion for that?

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No, we don't. Okay, councils, we are now

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up to the minutes of the Lord Mayor.

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Before you, we have my first Lord Mayoral

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Minute, which is to call on the New

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South Wales government to deliver

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high quality Metro West stations that

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incorporate community views matching the

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design excellence of the metro stations

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in the Sydney CBD and inner City.

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Seconded councellor Pillamarri

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council is situated in the heart of the

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Parramatta CBD, Parramatta's future metro west

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site offers potential to establish a

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vibrant hub for culture, nightife, and

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entertainment. spilling into surrounding

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streets. Sydney's new metro stations

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have been widely celebrated. The eight

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CBD inner City stations including

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Central  Barangaroo  Martin Place and Gadigal

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were described by judges as legacy

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making and redefining Sydney civic

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experience earning the 2025 New South

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Wales architecture medallion. However,

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with the City stations averaging $700

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million each, recent comments from the

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New South Wales uh government about

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reigning in the costs of Metro West

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stations have raised concerns that

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Western Sydney commuters could be left

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with a lesser experience and treated as

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secondclass citizens. Whilst the state

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government has committed to the

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construction of Metro West, it is

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imperative that this City-shaping

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project truly embodies the bold,

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visionary and global future of Parramatta

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If the government is truly committed to

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Parramatta as the economic and cultural

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heart of Western Sydney, then the people

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of Western Sydney deserve Metro West

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stations in the Parramatta CBD, Sydney

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Olympic Park and Westmede that reflect

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that ambition. The vision of the City of

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Parramatta is clear. Metro West will become

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Sydney's primary east west public

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transport spine, doubling rail capacity

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between Parramatta and the Sydney CBD and

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transforming Sydney for generations to

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come. Now is the time to deliver

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worldclass best use station and nothing

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less. The people of Parramatta and Western

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Sydney deserve nothing less. Councellors

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I've got councellor Pandey

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perfect with no speakers I will put the

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motion all those in favor I anyone

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against no carried unanimously we now

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move to the second Lord Mayor resolution

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second

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second councellor Pandey establishment of

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a 2025 Diwali lights competition in the

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City of Parramatta so Councellors What I'm

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calling on today is a council endorsed

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the establishment of a 25 2025 Diwali

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Festival of Lights competition across

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the Parramatta LGA. As many of you would

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know the Diwali Festival of Lights will be

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celebrated on the 20th of October 2025.

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The festival commencing on 18th October

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and will last for 5 days concluded on

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the 23rd of October 25. Diwali ancient

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Hindu festival celebrates the victory of

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light over darkness. Observers around

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the world light lamps and candles in and

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around homes and temples which are said

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to help the goddess Lakshmi, the goddess

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of wealth, find her way to homes and

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businesses. Diwali is a sign is

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significant for all Indian families and

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is the biggest festival of the year. It

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has evolved into a time for everyone to

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come together and celebrate regardless

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of cultural background and council that

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is the importance as a multicultural

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society that we do acknowledge our large

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Indian diaspora and community with this

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festival. It is a very low cost

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something that will be funded from the

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Lord Mayor donations budget. So

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councils I put the motion before you

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councellor Pandey.

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Okay, with no speakers, I'll now put

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that motion. All those in favor I.

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Anyone against? No, carried unanimously.

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And my final Lord Mayoral Minute

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counselors

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is

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to provide council with information on

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the 2025 LG New South Wales cost

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shifting report and note that count that

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New South Wales councils are currently

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being asked to absorb cost shifting

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worth more than $1.5 billion each year.

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Second councellor Greenwood. Is that

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correct? Yes. Councellors, the pressure

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on us to maintain services of

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appropriate standard that meet the needs

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of our communities has reached

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unprecedented levels. The unrelenting

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growth of cost shift into councils

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coupled with rate pegging and

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insufficient state and federal funding

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is increasingly eroding the possibility

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of financially sustainable local

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government and risking the capaCity of

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councils to deliver the essential

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infrastructure and services required by

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their communities. The latest research

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commissioned by the local New South

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Wales local government New South Wales

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shows that the increase in in cost

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shifting has continued unabated by

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various state and federal government

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policies.

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The cost shifting report produced by

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independent consultant Boris Low for the

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23 24 financial year reveals that $1.5

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billion of expenditure has been imposed

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on councils. On average, this represents

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now an inflated cost of close to $500 on

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each rateayer. This is an un this is

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unfair to our communities that such a

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large portion of their rates are being

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diverted away from local priorities.

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With councils having to fund this

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ongoing subsidy primarily for the state

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government each and every year, it means

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our communities get less

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or go without. They go without safer

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roads. They go without parks and they go

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without important community services

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that only councils provide while their

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communities are effectively paying

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hidden taxes to other levels of

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government. The decadesl long practice

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of cost shifting is continuing to

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undermine the financial stability and

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sustainability of the local government

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sector. This must stop. The November 24

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report of the parliamentary inquiry into

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the ability of councils to fund

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infrastructure and services called for

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the New South Wales government to

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identify opportunities to reduce cost

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shiftings to local government. This call

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must be heard and acted upon. It is

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essential to councils and communities

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that the New South Wales government

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urgently seek to address cost shifting

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through a combination of regulatory

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reform and appropriate funding. Council

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has put the motion before you.

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No speakers on the motion. All those in

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favor? I. Anyone against? No. Carried

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unanimously.

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Councellors, there are seven public forum

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submissions received for this evening's

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council meeting. Five of the seven

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submissions have been approved to

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address council. All seven submissions

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have been published in the supplementary

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agenda. I would like to remind each

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speaker that there is a 3minut time

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limit. The first sound you hear

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indicates that you have 1 minute

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remaining. At the second sound, please

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conclude your comments. First speaker we

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have is Jason Maine in relation to NOM

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2527.

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That's report of the title's traffic

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issues during major events in Sydney

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Olympic Park and Newton.

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Mr. Mayor and Councellors, I'd like to

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speak in relation to your consideration

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for a resident parking scheme within

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Newington.

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Uh from a small event like a Bulldogs

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game all the way up to a double concert,

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we constantly um deal with difficult

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parking

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um around the area, but also the safety

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of residents to get home, for emergency

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vehicles to get in.

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Our streets were never designed to carry

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the volume of traffic and we are

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Sydney's worst well Sydney's worstkept

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secret of just park at Newington. Why

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bother paying for parking?

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I'd ask that you give serious

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consideration

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on top of your recent changes that

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you've made in the area with restricted

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parking towards giving us a resident

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parking scheme to stop us being the

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overflow parking for Olympic Park.

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Thank you.

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Thank you uh Jason. Um okay. Is that it?

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Yes. Perfect. We'll now move on to the

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next speaker. Dr. Rod Anderson nom 20

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sorry com 25-18/

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PTE2525

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report of the planning transport

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environment committee of 23rd of June 25

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PTE 2525 review of all electric all

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electric buildings DCP

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please go ahead

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good evening I'm uh Dr. Rod Anderson

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from Doctors for the Environment

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Australia, which has been a big active

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Australiawide outfit for a good many

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years now. I have a careerlong interest

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in the environmental determinance of

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human health.

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So, I'm here tonight to ad advocate for

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a ban on gas connections to new homes

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and businesses.

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I hope you've had a chance to read my

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detailed letter to Canterbury Banksttown

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Council. If not, please read it soon.

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The detail is still current. I'm sorry

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that I didn't have enough time to make

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it into a letter to Paramata.

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In 3 minutes tonight, I can just draw

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attention to some of the the main

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points.

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So, climate change is already having a

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big effect on human on human health,

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not least from droughts, fires, and

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floods across the world and especially

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in Australia.

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I'm well read on climate change,

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including the United Nations

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Intergovernmental Panel reports,

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and I'm in no doubt at all that we are

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standing on the edge of the abyss with

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many hard years ahead.

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Gas is a dangerous fuel for many more

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reasons than we used to realize,

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and the details of that and references

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are in my letter. So gas burned in homes

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and businesses is a big contributor to

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climate change. Right up there with

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coal.

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Don't fall for that guff about it being

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a transition fuel. That's just industry

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spin. Unless we stop burning gas soon.

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Australia will never meet its emission

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reduction targets.

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You'll see that many Australian councils

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are moving down the path of full

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electrification

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banning new gas connections and I hope

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that Parramatta will move with them.

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Gas is becoming more and more expensive

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due to export parity pricing. Fully

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electric homes are much cheaper to run

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just like electric cars. So all electric

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is very good for family cost of living

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pressures. Australian gas companies,

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which are often foreignowned, export

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most of the gas they produce to make

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higher profits. Within my area of human

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health, domestic gas combustion is a

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major contributor to Australia's high

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rates of asthma. Some of the combustion

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products like benzene are highly

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carcinogenic i.e. they cause cancer.

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But there will be liability issues and

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not too far off. In my own practices

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over many years, I realized that rates

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of asthma, especially in children, are

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much higher than official figures

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suggest because of the large numbers of

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undiagnosed milder cases that are never

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hospitalized and never see a respiratory

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specialist. I discussed this with a

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respiratory specialist who agreed with

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me. So, domestic gas is a major

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contributor to asthma, if quite likely

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the main one. On behalf of Doctors of

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the Environment Australia, thanks for

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listening tonight. Please consider

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joining other councils across the

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country banning new gas connections as

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an important first step to phasing out

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gas. Thank you and all the best.

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Thank you. Um, now next we've got Daryl

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Lee Cornu to speak in relation to NOM

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2528, commemoration the atomic bombings

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and commitment to nuclear disarmament.

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Good evening, council. I'd like to

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address the excellent uh motion on the

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commemoration of atomic bombings and the

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commitment to nuclear disarmament.

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Two days from now, it will be the 80th

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anniversary of the detonation of the

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first atomic bomb in the deserts of New

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Mexico on the 16th of July 1945.

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25 days later, on the 6th of August

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1945, the first atomic bomb was used in

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anger and was dropped on Hiroshima. and

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three days later uh Nagasaki was bombed.

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With these events, the nuclear age was

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born. For the first time in history,

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humanity had developed the means for

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bringing about its own destruction. On

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the eve of these historically

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significant events, it is time to

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reconsider where we stand in relation to

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these terrible weapons of mass

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destruction.

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40 years later into the nuclear age on

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the 21st of November 1945,

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Reagan and Gorbachov sat down at the

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Geneva summit and began a conversation

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about nuclear weapons that led over the

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next few years to a series of treaties

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that saw the dismantling of tens of

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thousands of nuclear warheads. At the

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conclusion of the summit, Reagan and

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Gorbachov released a statement declaring

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that the nuclear war cannot be won and

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must never be fought.

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The number of nuclear weapons in

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existence drastically reduced over the

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following decades so that today there

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are a little over 12,000 in existence.

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During the 1990s there were many step

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steps taken that should have led to the

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total elimination of nuclear weapons.

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Nearly all countries in the world were

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signaries to the nuclear

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non-prololiferation treaty or the NPT.

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In 1995, the NPT was strengthened uh by

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requiring a review conference to be held

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every five years. Also, article six of

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the NPT required that the five nuclear

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armed states that were signitaries to

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the treaty u must uh proceed on a path

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of disarmament towards the total

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elimination of nuclear weapons. However,

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by 2005,

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60 years after Hiroshima, it was the

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five nuclear armed states who were

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signitaries that were backsliding in

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their commitments to nuclear

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disarmament. This was made clear at the

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2005 NPT review conference. As a result

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of this failure, a handful of nuclear

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activists in Melbourne decided it was

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time the world uh to put get the world

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back on track to nuclear weapons

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elimination.

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In April 2007, the international

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campaign to abolish nuclear weapons was

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launched by Malcolm Fraser in the

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Victorian Parliament. A few weeks later,

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Ian was launched at an international

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organ as an international organization

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in Geneva. Ian's aim was to stigmatize,

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prohibit, and eliminate nuclear weapons.

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Exactly eight years one week ago, the

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7th of July was another anniversary.

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After a 10-year global campaign led by

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IAN, a new United Nations treaty was

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created. It was called the Treaty on the

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Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons. 122

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countries voted for it. The TPNW entered

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into force on the 22nd of January 19 uh

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2021. In this increasingly volatile

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geopolitical environment, we need the

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people of the world to stand up and take

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action wherever they can and put

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pressure on their nation's leaders to

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reverse this dangerous path the world is

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now on.

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Sorry, could you please just finish your

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last sentence or your time is up?

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After 80 years, the best way to

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commemorate the anniversaries of the

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atomic bombings of Hiroshima and

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Nagasaki is to work towards the total

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elimination of these unacceptable

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weapons by supporting the treaty on the

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prohibition of nuclear weapons. Thank

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you.

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Should I

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sorry council just a late declaration of

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insurance from council pelari in regards

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to the next two items that we're going

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to hear speakers from being con 2518

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uh PTE 2524 and PTE 2526 i.e. the epin

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matters. Council Palomari declared a

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non-purinary but significant um

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declaration. He owns property in Rosson

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Street. So for that reason, he will step

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aside now and also for the virgin on

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these two matters. Thanks councellor.

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I'll now call on uh Glenn Hodgers to

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speak um in regards to 25-18/PTE2524

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report of the planning transport

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environment committee of 23rd of June 25

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finalization of the planning proposal

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style specific DCP for 5361 Rosson

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Street Epin.

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Thank you councellor for allowing me to

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speak. I wish to speak against the

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proposed redevelopment on the site at 53

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to 61 Rosson Street Eping. I present to

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council on behalf of the residents and

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rate payers who live at 13 to 29

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Caringford Road Eping. I also wish to

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note that my speech does not represent

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the only descending viewpoints against

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this proposal. The proposed

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redevelopment of 53 to 61 Rosson Street

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Eping will dwarf the existing properties

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into the future and absolutely destroy

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the livability of these properties

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forever more. I present to the council

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an example. Here is a representation of

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the threetory unit blocks that currently

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fill the location of 13 to 29 Kinkford

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Road. Eping.

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One, two, three.

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I will run out of time.

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Yep.

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Nobody moved.

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And here is a representation of the

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development proposal for 23 stories on

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the Rosen Street site. I note that this

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will be two towers, but one tower is

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more than enough to make my point. Does

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this look appropriate to you? Does this

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look reasonable to you? Don't worry

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about it counselors because this

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development proposal was withdrawn.

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Instead, the council are now proposing

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to make these 36

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story towers.

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Yeah, councellor. Sorry. Um, Mr. Hodgers,

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there might be a HNS issue here. Yeah,

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you're not listening, but um,

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we get the point.

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You can imagine what 36 stories was

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going to be.

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Look at the staggering size difference.

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It's not so staggering now. Look at the

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staggering size difference between these

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two adjoining properties counselors.

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Take note of that. adjoining properties

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right next door.

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Does this look fair to you? Does this

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look reasonable to you? What will you

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tell the people when they come and ask

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you directly about why you are choosing

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to absolutely destroy their lives with

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this outrageously oversized development?

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I couldn't give them a decent answer,

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and I suspect neither can you. I would

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further add that the council's own

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documentation confirms that almost

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twothirds of respondents, 97 out of 149,

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65%

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do not support

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Sorry, Mr. Hods, your time is up.

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Did you finish your last sentence?

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Do not support this proposal.

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I would close by asking all of the

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counselors in attendance a very simple

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question. Would you like to live

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directly next to this? Would you be

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happy if this was going to be built next

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to your house? Because if your answer to

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that question is no, then when it comes

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time to vote on this grossly excessive

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proposal, you must also vote no. Thank

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you.

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Thank you.

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Uh we next have Dave Black to speak in

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regards to the report of the planning

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transport and environment committee of

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the 23rd of June, finalization of the

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planning proposal and site specific DCP

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45361

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roster through EPIN

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and the public exhibition of the draft

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master plan for EPIN. We'll just maybe

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give a minute so Mr. Hodgers can just

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finish and then we'll start the clock.

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That's okay. We'll just

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um Yeah, Mr. Black, go ahead.

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Uh, dear Lord May and Councellors, I wish

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to speak to you before this uh this

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evening in relation to COM 2518,

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specifically PT 2524 and PT26.

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I strongly suggest the council move

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forward with PT2

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uh 24. So that's 5361 Rson Street Eping

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and also the related matter PT2526

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the public exhibition of the draft Eping

00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.376
Town Center master plan. Uh the the

00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:54.296
western side of the Eping Town Center is

00:26:54.320 --> 00:26:56.135
in need of rejuvenation.

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I believe that will benefit from more

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commercial uh residential and retail

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space. Proposed changes as part of PT

00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.616
2524 will help to uplift the

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availability of all these different

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types of of spaces. There are also other

00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:09.895
benefits including what Ben Hris

00:27:09.919 --> 00:27:12.056
outlined in the 23rd of June planning

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transport environment committee uh

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meeting with regards to PT 20 2526. I

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have a few matters for council to

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consider. Um so one completely remove

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revise DCP section 3.12

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CO1 and CO2. So that they are

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technically in agreement. A minimum of

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20% of dwellings with three or more

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bedrooms can only technically be met um

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from 01 which is the ranges within the

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ranges set by O2. Sorry. Um with the

00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.535
with the intent of O2 which I 01 sorry

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which I assume must provide more

00:27:41.760 --> 00:27:43.576
familyfriendly dwellings. Um and it

00:27:43.600 --> 00:27:46.296
seems at odd with 01. So O2 and the

00:27:46.320 --> 00:27:48.376
market should be permitted to determine

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the dwelling mix. Um I will suggest that

00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.440
CO6 is odd but the wording should not be

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is not must. So I won't dwell on it. Um

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why doesn't the planet consider

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increasing FSR and building heights?

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We're in a housing crisis and location

00:28:04.399 --> 00:28:06.296
excellent. How can we unlock more

00:28:06.320 --> 00:28:09.320
residential dwellings in the area? Um

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improving pedestrian access those on

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foot or on bike from the eastern side uh

00:28:13.919 --> 00:28:16.456
shared path side um of bridge street to

00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:17.895
the western side especially near the

00:28:17.919 --> 00:28:20.919
rotten street intersection. Um another

00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:23.176
point council cannot force private land

00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:24.456
owners to action things such as to

00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:26.696
relocate the overpass to and from the

00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.416
station consider alternatives. Um,

00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.655
another point ingress and or egress from

00:28:31.679 --> 00:28:34.679
53 to 51 ro uh Rosson by the council car

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park. Another point uh Rosson Street

00:28:37.679 --> 00:28:40.216
being one direction southbound. This uh

00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.056
another point instead of removing the

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community center if practical provide

00:28:43.600 --> 00:28:45.336
underground access from Victoria Street

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to the council car park. And then

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another point um elements of phase 2 can

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be done I believe during or before phase

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one in relation to and then another

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point uh relation to PT 2525 consider

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all electric buildings napping down

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center.

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Thank you.

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Yeah just wait to get council palario

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back in the room

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handy.

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[Music]

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Do any councils have any petition to be

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tabled?

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No.

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Nothing to be moved.

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Okay. Until council Pillamarri comes back,

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I would need a suspension of standing

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orders to amend the order of business.

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So the five items that we just heard

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from the public gallery could be moved

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forward. So move councellor seconded

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councellor reform. All those in in favor

00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:14.775
of amending the order of business say I.

00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.799
I. Anyone against? No. So what we'll do

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is we'll start in the same order. And

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the first motion to be put before us

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will be nom 2527

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which is councellor NG's uh motion.

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Seconded council.

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Yeah. Go ahead.

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Thank you Lord Mayor and I thank you

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Jason for speaking tonight. Uh this is

00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.456
an important motion uh which addresses

00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.456
the growing issue affecting residents in

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the Olympic peninsula uh which in

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includes Newington Worth Point Olympic

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Park and the Carter Street precinct. So

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just to give a bit of background to to

00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:50.775
all counselors that according to the

00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:53.799
SOAPA annual report for 2023 and 2024

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there were over 11.9 million vis

00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.279
visitors to the precinct with 49 major

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event days including Taylor Swift

00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.576
concerts which had 80,000 attendees per

00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:07.976
night. State of origin 80 80,000

00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:11.000
attendees last week um and also the the

00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.416
Royal Easter show averaging 70,000

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attendees. Just to be clear that we do

00:31:16.159 --> 00:31:19.096
welcome events and visitors to our area.

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You know, it is an entertainment

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precinct. However, when I've been out in

00:31:23.120 --> 00:31:25.336
the community, residents have been

00:31:25.360 --> 00:31:27.895
complaining about how much the traffic

00:31:27.919 --> 00:31:29.816
has been impacting the local area,

00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:32.840
especially since co that there's been a

00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.976
significant increase in major events.

00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.976
With major events come serious ongoing

00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:39.976
traffic congestion, local streets

00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.736
becoming gridlocked, residents facing

00:31:41.760 --> 00:31:44.135
delays in getting in and out of home. Uh

00:31:44.159 --> 00:31:45.336
there was a resident that spoke to me

00:31:45.360 --> 00:31:47.176
that said that it took them 1 hour to

00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.135
from roads to Newington.

00:31:50.159 --> 00:31:51.976
Of course on street parking is another

00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.736
issue that I'm addressing on the side

00:31:53.760 --> 00:31:56.296
but also this is a safety issue for

00:31:56.320 --> 00:31:59.320
visitors and residents. This is not just

00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.336
about inconvenience. is about community

00:32:01.360 --> 00:32:04.360
amenity, access and safety. And with the

00:32:04.399 --> 00:32:06.936
projected continued population growth in

00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.416
Wworth Point, Carter Street precinct and

00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.416
under the soap under the Sen Olympic

00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.976
Park master plan 2050, these issues will

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.775
continue to worsen. This motion proposes

00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:19.799
a multi uh this motion proposes that the

00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.375
Lord may write to the relevant ministers

00:32:22.399 --> 00:32:24.296
and the state member to formally raise

00:32:24.320 --> 00:32:26.296
council's concerns to seek their full

00:32:26.320 --> 00:32:28.456
commitment to the solutions. As we all

00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.216
aware that soaper is a state government

00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.895
agency. There is so much that council

00:32:31.919 --> 00:32:33.736
can do but we are the people

00:32:33.760 --> 00:32:35.895
representing our community and it is our

00:32:35.919 --> 00:32:38.135
role and our job responsibility to

00:32:38.159 --> 00:32:40.375
ensure that state authorities are on to

00:32:40.399 --> 00:32:43.399
this matter.

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In closing I note that other parts of

00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.296
water are also impacted. It's not just

00:32:48.320 --> 00:32:50.856
the Olympic peninsula. Uh areas such as

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.880
Ryme and silver water are also impacted.

00:32:54.159 --> 00:32:55.495
and also a fellow councellor mentioned

00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.176
that she you know in in the City of

00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.015
Parramatta in the middle of the heart of

00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:00.775
Parramatta that she was also impacted by

00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:03.255
major events. Uh this motion is about

00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.096
protecting the quality of life for our

00:33:05.120 --> 00:33:07.255
residents ensuring that Olympic Park can

00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:08.616
function as a world-class events

00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.856
precinct but not at the expense of our

00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.015
local community. I commend the motion to

00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.375
the council.

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Thank you councellor. Council

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thank you. I will be brief. Um when I

00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:21.416
first moved to Parramatta, I lived down on

00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.056
Connell Street, then uh G Street, then

00:33:24.080 --> 00:33:25.736
Villia Street, all within about 100

00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:28.375
meters of Parramatta Leagues Club back in

00:33:28.399 --> 00:33:30.375
the days when Parramatta Eels were playing

00:33:30.399 --> 00:33:31.895
really good football and making

00:33:31.919 --> 00:33:34.216
semi-finals regularly. And I dreaded the

00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.375
Parramatta home game because I knew if I

00:33:36.399 --> 00:33:38.456
wasn't in my house during the during the

00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:40.056
game, I wasn't be going to be able to

00:33:40.080 --> 00:33:43.080
get in. Even last night living a little

00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.176
bit further away on Fennel Street, I was

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.200
parked out of my property by by fans for

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:50.456
this round. And that is a stadium with

00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:53.480
30,000 seats and nice big roads and nice

00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.216
big places to park. Imagine what it's

00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:57.096
going to be like when we're talking

00:33:57.120 --> 00:33:58.535
about the Royal Easter Show. Imagine

00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.135
what it's going to be like talking about

00:34:00.159 --> 00:34:02.535
the NRL Grand Final or the Taylor Swift

00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:05.255
concert or the Coldplay concert. We need

00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:07.816
to make sure our suburbs are livable.

00:34:07.840 --> 00:34:10.696
These streets are too small to cope with

00:34:10.720 --> 00:34:13.720
big event traffic. Not the way uh Villia

00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.976
Street and Gore Street and Fennel Street

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.000
is impacts being even those roads are

00:34:19.359 --> 00:34:20.615
big. So I commend this motion to

00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.055
council. Thank you.

00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.976
Thank you council. Council yourself.

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.000
Thank you Lord May.

00:34:27.359 --> 00:34:30.359
Uh whilst I commend councellor NG on the

00:34:30.720 --> 00:34:33.720
motion um and he did attempt to give a

00:34:33.919 --> 00:34:36.135
background I think there's a couple of

00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.159
things missing. I think the primary

00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.815
thing missing was that the current state

00:34:41.839 --> 00:34:44.696
government has proposed a Sydney Olympic

00:34:44.720 --> 00:34:47.496
Park master plan that slashes car

00:34:47.520 --> 00:34:49.335
parking.

00:34:49.359 --> 00:34:50.855
So, you're going to write to the

00:34:50.879 --> 00:34:53.655
government to ask them to deal with a

00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.135
parking problem in Sydney Olympic Park

00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.456
that they're exacerbating. I'm not sure

00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:01.256
how far we're going to get councellor.

00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.736
I'll reiterate that your current state

00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.055
government is exacerbating the same

00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.456
issue,

00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.016
compounding the issue through a master

00:35:11.040 --> 00:35:13.416
plan that this council has a position on

00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.976
that you voted on which we're saying we

00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.616
don't want you to get rid of car parks

00:35:18.640 --> 00:35:21.640
to the tune of 5,000. You supported as

00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.536
did the other ward counselor council

00:35:24.560 --> 00:35:27.256
proive. In the same sentence, we're now

00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:29.496
saying we've got a problem. Can you help

00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:32.520
us? What they should be helping us with

00:35:33.839 --> 00:35:36.839
is not taking car parks out of Sydney

00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.960
Olympic Park.

00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:41.976
Now, councellor,

00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.216
um, prior to you arriving in council, I

00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:45.896
think it was 2015 when we had our first

00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.616
crack at this, um, where we wrote to

00:35:48.640 --> 00:35:50.136
every resident. We've done this now

00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:51.656
three times, trying to put a a

00:35:51.680 --> 00:35:53.335
residential parking scheme into Sydney

00:35:53.359 --> 00:35:56.055
Olympic Park and Newington. Um,

00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.079
unfortunately the the the residents

00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.896
didn't agree with a residential parking

00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:03.496
scheme.

00:36:03.520 --> 00:36:06.296
Now, I I wish they did. I think it's

00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.320
necessary. My voting record is

00:36:09.839 --> 00:36:12.055
supporting a residential parking scheme,

00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:13.896
but there's a couple of complicating

00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.776
factors that I think the gallery and the

00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:18.696
public need to understand. One,

00:36:18.720 --> 00:36:20.296
obviously the nature of the streets are

00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.016
narrow, but there's some emergency

00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:24.536
service issues where you can only park

00:36:24.560 --> 00:36:25.815
on one side of the street and not the

00:36:25.839 --> 00:36:28.839
other. So to let a fire engine or or an

00:36:29.040 --> 00:36:31.575
ambulance through. Now, we've had many

00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.216
discussions in the ward where you can't

00:36:34.240 --> 00:36:36.456
park in your driveway. So, we're going

00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.055
to take them off the street. We're going

00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:39.976
to take residents off the street in an

00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.296
emergency or in a special event, but

00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:43.736
they can't park in their driveway

00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.095
because once they're in their driveway,

00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.736
the the way this precinct was developed,

00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:50.376
if you nose up or back in against your

00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.095
roller door, you're now over the

00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.815
footpath. Historically, our residents

00:36:55.839 --> 00:36:57.896
have been fined for parking in their

00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.216
driveways.

00:37:00.240 --> 00:37:02.536
Hey, I know.

00:37:02.560 --> 00:37:04.696
Yeah, you live there.

00:37:04.720 --> 00:37:06.616
I'm I'm preaching to the client.

00:37:06.640 --> 00:37:07.896
So,

00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.920
I'm just trying to set an expectation

00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.176
despite the motion that I don't know how

00:37:13.200 --> 00:37:15.575
far we're going to get where we've got a

00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.176
state government who's exacerbating and

00:37:17.200 --> 00:37:19.496
compounding a known issue through a

00:37:19.520 --> 00:37:22.520
Sydney Olympic Park precinct plan that

00:37:22.640 --> 00:37:25.640
is slashing car parks. At the same time,

00:37:26.640 --> 00:37:27.896
we're saying, "Well, the emergency

00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:29.176
services need to get through the street,

00:37:29.200 --> 00:37:30.536
but you can't park in your driveway

00:37:30.560 --> 00:37:32.055
because you're going to get a fine, and

00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:33.656
now you can only park on one side of the

00:37:33.680 --> 00:37:35.335
street." I don't know what the answer

00:37:35.359 --> 00:37:38.055
is. I commend I commend

00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:39.736
uh the notice of motion council. I

00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:41.976
really do. But I just want to make sure

00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:45.000
that the expectation in the public is

00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.280
aligned to what reality might be.

00:37:49.359 --> 00:37:52.359
Thank you councellor Council.

00:37:52.720 --> 00:37:54.456
Are you okay for council?

00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.416
Thanks May. Um I want to commend

00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.440
councellor J on his motion. Like

00:38:00.640 --> 00:38:03.640
councellor Isa said, um the Olympic

00:38:04.240 --> 00:38:06.616
Peninsula is fraught with difficulty

00:38:06.640 --> 00:38:09.496
regarding parking and the Sydney Olympic

00:38:09.520 --> 00:38:12.296
Park master plan

00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.456
does promote the fact that they're going

00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:17.335
to turn Sydney Olympic Park, including

00:38:17.359 --> 00:38:20.359
all the uh toxic waste mounds and the

00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.760
car parks into residential. Uh

00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:27.575
personally,

00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.055
I can't see it happening, Lord Mayor.

00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:31.896
For a start, it'll cost a fortune to get

00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.920
rid of the toxic waste mounds. Um, but

00:38:36.240 --> 00:38:38.456
you know,

00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.416
we have to try everything.

00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:44.440
And if it if it doesn't st if we put a

00:38:45.359 --> 00:38:47.256
motion up and it doesn't stand in line

00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:49.896
with the Sydney Olympic Park master

00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:52.920
plan, that's not important. What's

00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:56.119
really important is that we as ward

00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.880
counselors support our residents and we

00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:03.176
look at res we look at solutions and

00:39:03.200 --> 00:39:05.976
this this motion is looking at solutions

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.136
because nobody else seems to be looking

00:39:08.160 --> 00:39:10.616
at the solutions for the number of

00:39:10.640 --> 00:39:12.936
visitors that are coming through that

00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.960
area. uh particularly with events,

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.456
people are leaving home at 2:00 in the

00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.416
afternoon and returning at midnight

00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.496
because they know if they don't leave

00:39:23.520 --> 00:39:26.296
then they're never going to get out and

00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:28.216
there's no use coming back before then

00:39:28.240 --> 00:39:30.296
because they know they can't get back.

00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.216
It's fraught with difficulty living in

00:39:32.240 --> 00:39:35.240
that place. And why should it be? We're

00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:36.936
all able to get in and out of our

00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.696
suburbs. That's all these people are

00:39:38.720 --> 00:39:41.720
asking for. So this motion is important.

00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:43.256
It's important to the people of

00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:44.856
Newington. It's important to the people

00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.815
of Olympic Park. And it's also important

00:39:47.839 --> 00:39:50.456
to all those people who go and visit for

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.176
those games and things like that because

00:39:53.200 --> 00:39:55.976
they might only go once and park in

00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.136
Newington, but they walk away with a

00:39:58.160 --> 00:40:01.160
hefty fine and next game somebody else

00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.736
comes and parks and they walk away with

00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.760
the same hefty fine. So, you know,

00:40:07.680 --> 00:40:09.496
there's implications all over the place

00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:12.456
here. So if I I reckon if Council NG can

00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.016
get this up and he can get so any sort

00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:17.736
of resolution and I really don't care

00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.376
what it is. If he can just get a small

00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:21.976
one,

00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.136
good luck to him because you've been

00:40:24.160 --> 00:40:27.160
here since 2015. I've been here since 17

00:40:27.520 --> 00:40:29.256
and we haven't done any good. Council

00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.280
Rissa

00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:35.640
2012,

00:40:36.720 --> 00:40:39.176
I apologize. I just want to touch base

00:40:39.200 --> 00:40:42.200
on council's contribution. As many

00:40:42.640 --> 00:40:44.136
people know that I've lived in there for

00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:46.456
over 20 years. Uh there there are two

00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:48.296
issues that that that this mo there are

00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:49.815
actually two issues in Newington or and

00:40:49.839 --> 00:40:52.136
and the wider Olympic peninsula area.

00:40:52.160 --> 00:40:55.160
One is parking and one is congestion.

00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:57.815
This motion tackles uh congestion. As a

00:40:57.839 --> 00:40:59.575
matter of fact, in terms of parking,

00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:01.416
councellor is you've obviously, you know,

00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:03.335
um as one of the ward counselors, I've

00:41:03.359 --> 00:41:05.256
been working very hard, very hard with

00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:06.936
residents to address the parking issues.

00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.095
Uh we've had some signs uh up in

00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.016
Newington for the no stopping and I've

00:41:11.040 --> 00:41:12.376
had much comment from the community

00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.536
about that it's now safer to make turns

00:41:14.560 --> 00:41:16.536
into narrow streets and it is people

00:41:16.560 --> 00:41:17.976
feel more comfortable that knowing that

00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.976
if there is an incident that emergency

00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.055
surface vehicles are able to access

00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.776
those narrow streets. Um parking that's

00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:26.696
an issue we've been working on. We had

00:41:26.720 --> 00:41:28.856
consultation earlier. Um obviously that

00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.936
was 10 years ago 5 10 years ago. Things

00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.936
have changed as I mentioned after co

00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:34.616
there's been a lot more major events in

00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:36.936
Newington in sorry in Olympic Park and

00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.616
there will be a lot more as there's not

00:41:38.640 --> 00:41:41.256
that many venues can actually hold these

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.280
kind of major events in New South Wales.

00:41:44.720 --> 00:41:47.575
Now talking back about the congestion I

00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.376
know that there is a Sydney Olympic Park

00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.400
plan 2050 but we don't forget that there

00:41:53.520 --> 00:41:55.095
are other infrastructure that are coming

00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:57.176
and not to say that you know we as

00:41:57.200 --> 00:41:58.776
counselors supported staff's

00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.095
recommendation and submission as part of

00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.119
the SOA plan 2050 but don't forget that

00:42:04.160 --> 00:42:05.496
there will be the metro coming there

00:42:05.520 --> 00:42:07.016
will be light rail there are different

00:42:07.040 --> 00:42:09.095
options that will be coming but at the

00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.416
moment that is not an immediate fix what

00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.416
this will ask the state government and

00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.256
obviously you It won't fix the issue,

00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.896
but it is a good start. As represented,

00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.216
as representatives of our community, it

00:42:20.240 --> 00:42:22.216
is important that we speak on their

00:42:22.240 --> 00:42:24.216
behalf and raise their concerns. And

00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:25.976
even though this may not get us the

00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:27.656
solution we want, but it is at least a

00:42:27.680 --> 00:42:29.815
good start. You know, we never give up

00:42:29.839 --> 00:42:32.295
because the reason why we get elected is

00:42:32.319 --> 00:42:33.896
because we know that unless someone like

00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:36.536
us, all 15 of us fight, there will be no

00:42:36.560 --> 00:42:39.095
action in our City. So, this might not

00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.176
be a big win, but I will fight every

00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:42.936
single day to ensure issues like this

00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.656
that impact thousands of people and the

00:42:45.680 --> 00:42:47.896
many more that will come into the

00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.376
Olympic Peninsula, we will address. And

00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.536
to give up is not an option on my on my

00:42:52.560 --> 00:42:54.376
list. We'll keep fighting and we'll keep

00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:55.815
working with the state government to

00:42:55.839 --> 00:42:58.136
ensure that these issues, these matters

00:42:58.160 --> 00:42:59.575
that impact not just the Olympic

00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.335
Peninsula, but but areas such as

00:43:01.359 --> 00:43:03.335
Ridleme, Imrington and and the heart of

00:43:03.359 --> 00:43:05.176
Parramatta is addressed. And I do thank

00:43:05.200 --> 00:43:07.016
staff for their efforts and you know

00:43:07.040 --> 00:43:08.456
I've been handing them about the parking

00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.136
and about the congestion and I know that

00:43:10.160 --> 00:43:11.815
they have been meeting up with soaper

00:43:11.839 --> 00:43:13.416
there's been a lot of communication but

00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.496
it is hard without the state government

00:43:15.520 --> 00:43:18.295
coming in to actually co coordinate this

00:43:18.319 --> 00:43:21.319
as this you know dealing with soaper

00:43:21.359 --> 00:43:22.696
dealing with state authorities I had to

00:43:22.720 --> 00:43:24.616
call police over the um during the state

00:43:24.640 --> 00:43:26.136
of origin night to to ensure that there

00:43:26.160 --> 00:43:28.055
were patrols but there must be more that

00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:29.736
that could be done and I'm sure the

00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.760
state government can do more. Thank you.

00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:35.176
Thank you, councellor. I actually do look

00:43:35.200 --> 00:43:37.896
forward to the minister's response and

00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.656
to um the state members response with

00:43:39.680 --> 00:43:42.616
their detailed solutions to fixing this

00:43:42.640 --> 00:43:44.696
problem. So, I have no doubt that they

00:43:44.720 --> 00:43:47.095
share the same passion that all 15 of us

00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:49.815
in this room do. Councellors, I'll put

00:43:49.839 --> 00:43:51.976
the motion to a vote. All those in

00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.000
favor? I. Anyone against? Unanimous.

00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:57.815
Congratulations. We'll now move on to

00:43:57.839 --> 00:43:59.896
COM 2518.

00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:01.815
Uh, review of all electric buildings

00:44:01.839 --> 00:44:04.839
DCP. councellor Valjek.

00:44:05.040 --> 00:44:08.040
Um, yes. Um, Lord May, thank you very

00:44:08.319 --> 00:44:11.319
much. Um, I'd actually like to um move

00:44:13.359 --> 00:44:16.359
um a motion with regards that we adopt

00:44:16.720 --> 00:44:18.856
option um a

00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:20.136
second.

00:44:20.160 --> 00:44:22.536
Um, and I believe um I've got the

00:44:22.560 --> 00:44:24.936
wording before my time starts. If that's

00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.095
okay, if we could um get that up on the

00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.656
screen. Okay. Okay. And um thank you to

00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:31.496
the speakers who spoke um this evening

00:44:31.520 --> 00:44:34.520
with regards to their views on um the

00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.880
gas in our uh community. Um I read uh as

00:44:38.560 --> 00:44:41.560
part of my due diligence um the report

00:44:42.319 --> 00:44:43.976
tabled by staff and I thank staff for

00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.000
their report. Um, but one thing I I I

00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.256
didn't see in that and I went and did my

00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:50.936
own research on this and I spoke with

00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.256
the master plumbers of New South Wales

00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.055
as part of my due diligence and they

00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.776
wrote to all local governments uh

00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.536
government areas or councils back in

00:45:00.560 --> 00:45:02.696
March of this year and they basically

00:45:02.720 --> 00:45:05.016
urged local governments to recognize the

00:45:05.040 --> 00:45:08.040
value of regulated natural gas and take

00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.295
proactive steps to support its

00:45:10.319 --> 00:45:12.216
responsible use in our homes and

00:45:12.240 --> 00:45:13.736
communities.

00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:15.736
um we know that it's a reliable and

00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.616
efficient efficient energy source um and

00:45:18.640 --> 00:45:21.416
particularly um serves us very well in

00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.440
our daily lives. The biggest um concern

00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:27.256
they raise is that in emergencies when

00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.280
power grids fail uh natural gas remains

00:45:30.720 --> 00:45:33.016
a dependable alternative for maintaining

00:45:33.040 --> 00:45:35.736
household functions and relying solely

00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:37.575
on one energy source can lead to

00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.599
vulnerability uh in critical times. Uh,

00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:42.856
we do know that the cold kills far more

00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:44.856
people than what heat does. And I'll

00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:46.856
give you a very perfect example. My

00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.815
elderly 93y old mother recently had a

00:45:49.839 --> 00:45:52.376
electriCity outage and thank God she had

00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:54.136
gas because that's what kept her warm

00:45:54.160 --> 00:45:57.160
over the two degree evening that hit.

00:45:57.520 --> 00:46:00.216
Um, many residents across different

00:46:00.240 --> 00:46:01.815
cultural backgrounds in our local

00:46:01.839 --> 00:46:03.976
government area here in Parramatta prefer

00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.696
cooking to gas uh due to its precise

00:46:06.720 --> 00:46:09.176
temperature control versatility.

00:46:09.200 --> 00:46:10.856
The recent shift towards full

00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:13.256
electrification in some councils and

00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.335
areas has actually, and I didn't know

00:46:15.359 --> 00:46:18.216
this, has inadvertently led to increased

00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:21.176
illegal kitchen setups involving LPG gas

00:46:21.200 --> 00:46:23.575
tanks and do-it-yourself hazardous gas

00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:25.256
fitting. And this is because the

00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:28.280
community want gas. They want the

00:46:28.640 --> 00:46:30.456
choice.

00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.536
These unregulated systems pose

00:46:32.560 --> 00:46:34.616
significant health risks, including

00:46:34.640 --> 00:46:37.335
exposure to LPG fumes and the potential

00:46:37.359 --> 00:46:40.359
for catastrophic fires and explosions.

00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:42.536
Now, banning gas entirely is not the

00:46:42.560 --> 00:46:44.295
solution to securing a clean energy

00:46:44.319 --> 00:46:47.016
future. Instead, we must promote the

00:46:47.040 --> 00:46:49.016
safe integration of all fuel sources

00:46:49.040 --> 00:46:52.040
into a balanced energy policy.

00:46:52.560 --> 00:46:55.560
Um I also um wanted to um explain that

00:46:57.200 --> 00:46:59.016
it's actually only potentially seven

00:46:59.040 --> 00:47:02.040
councils out of approximately close to

00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.055
130 councils that are going down this

00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:05.736
path.

00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:07.575
And following the City of Sydney's

00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.599
recent announcement, um, Premier Chris

00:47:10.720 --> 00:47:13.656
Mins uh, actually uh, told reporters, in

00:47:13.680 --> 00:47:16.136
fact, it was less than a month ago, um,

00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:19.160
that the ban was an overstep by the City

00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:21.815
of Sydney and suggested things like gas

00:47:21.839 --> 00:47:23.976
on your stove top as well as solar and

00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.376
batteries are all part of the future

00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:27.736
mix.

00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:30.055
In fact, even uh the planning and public

00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.079
spaces minister Paul Scully um

00:47:33.839 --> 00:47:35.656
reiterated the New South Wales

00:47:35.680 --> 00:47:37.815
government would not implement a

00:47:37.839 --> 00:47:40.839
statewide restriction on gas usage.

00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:44.536
He quote, "A statewide gas ban is not

00:47:44.560 --> 00:47:46.136
something the New South Wales government

00:47:46.160 --> 00:47:49.160
is looking at." According to Mr. Scully.

00:47:49.839 --> 00:47:52.216
So why on earth would we as a local

00:47:52.240 --> 00:47:54.936
government council take away the choice

00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.176
for our residents particularly during a

00:47:57.200 --> 00:48:00.200
cost of living crisis when electriCity

00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.216
prices are rising through the roof. In

00:48:02.240 --> 00:48:04.136
fact I think we've just ced another 10%

00:48:04.160 --> 00:48:06.696
increase from July 1.

00:48:06.720 --> 00:48:09.720
I would urge this chamber to maintain

00:48:11.359 --> 00:48:14.136
the status quo for the choice of our

00:48:14.160 --> 00:48:15.976
residents.

00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.536
And I know much has been said about our

00:48:18.560 --> 00:48:20.936
um all electric CBD, but there is a very

00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.815
big difference between commercial and

00:48:23.839 --> 00:48:26.839
and high density residential in our CBD

00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:29.896
to smaller density. And I note that as

00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.456
part of the stakeholder representation

00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.776
in this report,

00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.416
the um council

00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.295
spoke to very very high um large

00:48:40.319 --> 00:48:42.936
corporate developers and midscale

00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.736
businesses, but but no one I don't see

00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:48.055
any builders here that were spoken to

00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.936
that build the smaller homes that our

00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:52.696
residents are building out in our

00:48:52.720 --> 00:48:54.856
suburbs. I think it's it's it's a very

00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.496
dangerous path when we start banning

00:48:57.520 --> 00:49:00.295
options and choices for our community

00:49:00.319 --> 00:49:02.055
when the state and federal government

00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:05.079
are not proceeding down this path.

00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:07.656
councellor, can I just clarify the

00:49:07.680 --> 00:49:09.976
wording on the screen and that's what

00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.095
you're happy with because you mentioned

00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:12.535
option one. Just make sure you're happy

00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:13.016
with that wording.

00:49:13.040 --> 00:49:15.815
Council note summary keep on it that

00:49:15.839 --> 00:49:17.496
council will not progress in accordance

00:49:17.520 --> 00:49:18.696
with Yes. Thank you.

00:49:18.720 --> 00:49:21.575
Thank you. Um deputy lord may go ahead.

00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.136
Thank you Lord Mayor. I rise to speak

00:49:24.160 --> 00:49:26.696
against uh the option that has been

00:49:26.720 --> 00:49:29.256
proposed by councellor Baek and just note

00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.736
that uh quite often you know we in the

00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.760
City uh me lord mayor Councellors

00:49:35.200 --> 00:49:36.776
yourself we often talk about the need to

00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.016
be a future focused City how it is we

00:49:39.040 --> 00:49:41.256
want to be a City not for the 20th

00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.335
century or the 19th but for the 21st and

00:49:43.359 --> 00:49:46.295
the 22nd we make a virtue of the fact

00:49:46.319 --> 00:49:47.896
that we're not a stale City and that we

00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.216
are moving forward and that we ourselves

00:49:50.240 --> 00:49:52.456
pride ourselves on being cutting edge

00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.016
development of our City in its design,

00:49:55.040 --> 00:49:57.736
in its inclusiveness. And yet, we are at

00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.496
a decision point here where we're

00:49:59.520 --> 00:50:02.520
prospectively looking to continue with

00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.335
something that is becoming obsolete very

00:50:05.359 --> 00:50:07.575
quickly. And that is to say, proceeding

00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.656
with the status quo and not seeking to

00:50:09.680 --> 00:50:12.680
undertake any kind of movement on

00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.295
electrification within uh within our

00:50:16.319 --> 00:50:17.976
City. And of course it's vitally

00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.976
important to our City because we are as

00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:21.896
you know Lord Mayor a City that excels

00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.535
on its housing targets and uh builds a

00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.559
great deal of density. So we more than

00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.295
many LGAs are going to be potentially

00:50:30.319 --> 00:50:32.456
affected by this. If we're going to call

00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.535
ourselves a City of the future and a

00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.095
modern City, we cannot be saying to

00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:38.616
prospective

00:50:38.640 --> 00:50:41.640
uh developers via our DCP that we should

00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:44.216
be building buildings that are outdated

00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:46.376
the day that they are built. Uh we don't

00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:48.776
want to be building obsolete buildings.

00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:50.376
We have an opportunity here. We've got

00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.856
discussions tonight about a potentially

00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:54.616
very large development in a town center

00:50:54.640 --> 00:50:57.176
like Epic. It would be very misleading

00:50:57.200 --> 00:51:00.055
to build a tower like that and have gas

00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.976
plumbing through it. And I think it's

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.136
rather amusing that council of Aljet

00:51:04.160 --> 00:51:05.896
counts

00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.736
quotes the master plumbers association

00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.176
with regards to what their views might

00:51:09.200 --> 00:51:11.176
be on the installation. Well, I'm sure

00:51:11.200 --> 00:51:13.256
they are in favor because of course

00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.736
plumbing gas is in fact their business.

00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.976
I think they have something of an invest

00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.535
something of a uh interest in in this

00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:22.456
kind of thing. We cannot be building

00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.376
obsolete towers now and into the future.

00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.136
Given what we know about the potential

00:51:26.160 --> 00:51:27.815
health impacts of gas and that we know

00:51:27.839 --> 00:51:30.839
that it is quickly becoming an outmoded

00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.256
source as is indicated in the council

00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:35.335
officer's report. It's not easily done

00:51:35.359 --> 00:51:37.176
to be retrofitting

00:51:37.200 --> 00:51:40.055
strata towers and buildings. And just to

00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:42.376
touch on what is potentially going to be

00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.295
proposed tonight or what I will be

00:51:44.319 --> 00:51:46.776
proposing in an amendment, we heard

00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.256
discussion there about uh you know

00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.016
smaller developments. That's not what

00:51:51.040 --> 00:51:52.776
this is aimed at. If you you're building

00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.016
in Caringford or in Eping or in the

00:51:55.040 --> 00:51:56.535
valley and you're putting up a duplex or

00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:58.216
something of that nature, any of the

00:51:58.240 --> 00:52:00.696
decisions that we are going to looking

00:52:00.720 --> 00:52:02.456
to put forward are not going to cover

00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:04.776
these sort of individual dual locks or

00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.936
any those sorts sorts of medium density.

00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.856
We are being presented here with a range

00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.880
of options uh for our City and mo many

00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:14.216
of which most of which concentrate on

00:52:14.240 --> 00:52:16.216
high density which is where the impact

00:52:16.240 --> 00:52:17.815
is. And of course it's not

00:52:17.839 --> 00:52:19.095
retrospective. We're not going to be

00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.335
going around removing gas heaters from

00:52:21.359 --> 00:52:22.696
homes that already have them. So if

00:52:22.720 --> 00:52:24.295
anyone is concerned about restaurants

00:52:24.319 --> 00:52:26.535
they operate or homes they have now that

00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:27.815
have gas, that's not going to be

00:52:27.839 --> 00:52:29.575
removed. So we have to acquaint

00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:30.936
ourselves with the terms of this

00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:32.856
argument. And we find ourselves in a

00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.176
quite unique position here. This is

00:52:35.200 --> 00:52:37.416
something that is changing and council

00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.016
vouch not knows that only seven councils

00:52:39.040 --> 00:52:40.535
so far proceeded down this road. But

00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:42.535
that in in of itself is not an answer

00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:44.055
why we shouldn't be doing something

00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.136
because it's only a small mass right

00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:48.216
now. Why not be part of that growing

00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:50.216
mass? In fact, we actually have in the

00:52:50.240 --> 00:52:52.696
room tonight a counselor who has shown

00:52:52.720 --> 00:52:54.616
the leadership and been bold enough to

00:52:54.640 --> 00:52:56.776
do this already. I mean, Hornsby Council

00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:58.776
has sought to go farther than we are

00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.176
likely to in

00:53:01.200 --> 00:53:03.016
accounting for all dwellings that be

00:53:03.040 --> 00:53:04.856
built in the area. Something that I know

00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.256
the Hornsby Liberals and Council Kamari

00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.095
were quite supportive of. So, we do need

00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:10.696
to think about what it is we're doing.

00:53:10.720 --> 00:53:12.456
But the important decision point tonight

00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.856
is not to make a decision is to go on

00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.016
public exhibition. And I'm surprised

00:53:17.040 --> 00:53:19.176
that council vow doesn't see the the

00:53:19.200 --> 00:53:20.936
value and the virtue in going on public

00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:22.856
exhibition. That Lord mayor is why I'm

00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.295
going to propose an amendment which is

00:53:24.319 --> 00:53:26.535
consumate with the report which is to

00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.559
put up options for varying levels of

00:53:29.680 --> 00:53:32.295
electrification. So if I may lord Mayor

00:53:32.319 --> 00:53:34.295
I'm going to propose an amendment now

00:53:34.319 --> 00:53:36.216
which is consumate with the original

00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:38.535
report and I've noted this with uh Mr.

00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.335
Keona and the secretary of staff uh that

00:53:41.359 --> 00:53:44.359
I'm seeking to move it mentions in the

00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.216
report that three options have to be put

00:53:46.240 --> 00:53:48.696
on can be put on public exhibition. I'm

00:53:48.720 --> 00:53:51.416
proposing that we choose option one

00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.656
which is the status quo as council of

00:53:53.680 --> 00:53:56.376
aljac notes and then options three and

00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.856
four. Options three and four are varying

00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:01.880
levels of electrification uh depending

00:54:02.160 --> 00:54:03.416
on what the community comes with. But

00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.575
I'm looking to put on public exhibition

00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:08.055
options 1, three, and four and select

00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.535
option A in the report for the style of

00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:11.736
public exhibition that we should

00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:14.760
undertake because surely Councellors, if

00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:16.295
we are to pursue something like this, we

00:54:16.319 --> 00:54:17.575
should be consulting with our community

00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.376
first, not making an arbitrary decision

00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.400
uh in this way. And I do note uh just

00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:24.856
picking up on the remarks about the

00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:26.856
state government and uh Paul Scully's

00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:28.456
remarks and Chrisman's remarks and thank

00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:30.456
you by the way for quoting them and glad

00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.456
you quote them when it suits you. Uh

00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:35.016
because what they are undertaking Paul

00:54:35.040 --> 00:54:37.095
Scully has been quite clear and council

00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:39.176
is right. He has said the state will not

00:54:39.200 --> 00:54:41.575
be pursuing a gas ban. Never a true

00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:43.976
statement stated and that is why this

00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:45.736
decision is being devolved to councils

00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:47.416
and councils are undertaking this

00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:49.256
decision. The decision that's been taken

00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.280
in Sydney is quite far reaching and uh

00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:53.815
you know as I say there's every chance

00:54:53.839 --> 00:54:55.496
we won't be going that far but tonight

00:54:55.520 --> 00:54:57.256
is actually not about making that

00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:57.575
decision.

00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:58.376
I think you meant over

00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.055
tonight is about

00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:01.656
Tonight is about putting on public

00:55:01.680 --> 00:55:03.976
exhibition varying options including the

00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:05.815
status quo. That's right including it's

00:55:05.839 --> 00:55:08.055
not a fatal comple including the status

00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.079
quo uh option one and then options three

00:55:11.520 --> 00:55:13.656
and four exploring various levels of

00:55:13.680 --> 00:55:14.456
electrification.

00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.776
Why does the time stop? So I don't see

00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:18.616
Lord Mayor why Councellors would find

00:55:18.640 --> 00:55:20.696
themselves opposed to public exhibition

00:55:20.720 --> 00:55:22.456
of these controls.

00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.016
Thank you for 20 minutes. Lord May uh

00:55:25.040 --> 00:55:26.055
second the amendment.

00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:27.256
She seconded.

00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:29.736
Thank you. Oh there we go order.

00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:30.776
There's not much more to say. It's all

00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:32.776
right councellor. I think

00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.136
I admit councellor Isra is actually

00:55:34.160 --> 00:55:35.256
right. I think I have just kept on

00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:36.776
speaking. Nobody's called me up. So I

00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:38.295
thank you for that council respectful.

00:55:38.319 --> 00:55:39.256
I do appreciate it.

00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:41.176
But there's a point of order from

00:55:41.200 --> 00:55:44.200
councellor G. The point of order,

00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:46.616
pardon me, Lord May. The point of order

00:55:46.640 --> 00:55:49.640
is that we need to put the amendment um

00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.095
raised by councellor Valjac before we

00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:54.775
consider before shadowed amendment

00:55:54.799 --> 00:55:55.095
raised.

00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:56.376
Council, I thought about that for a

00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:57.896
moment, but because the original motion

00:55:57.920 --> 00:55:59.896
hadn't been moved, councellor Valjek's

00:55:59.920 --> 00:56:01.896
motion was the original motion

00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.216
and the deputy lord May's amendment is

00:56:04.240 --> 00:56:04.936
the amendment.

00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:06.535
So, I'll be seated, Lord May, and I hope

00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.416
you people listen to what it is I've had

00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:10.936
to say and I'm looking forward and

00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.416
relishing council is contribution

00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.176
because I know it'll be

00:56:15.200 --> 00:56:16.856
so council just to give you the decision

00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.256
of my ruling. He couldn't u we couldn't

00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:20.696
start the clock until it was seconded.

00:56:20.720 --> 00:56:22.696
We just didn't it wasn't patient enough.

00:56:22.720 --> 00:56:23.656
So if I move it

00:56:23.680 --> 00:56:26.055
it's okay. He's written spoken point of

00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.055
order. So let me say let me if I move an

00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.295
amendment and no one it can talk for as

00:56:30.319 --> 00:56:30.696
long as I want.

00:56:30.720 --> 00:56:31.256
No you can't.

00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:32.136
That's the ruling you've just made.

00:56:32.160 --> 00:56:34.216
No it's not. What I've said to you is we

00:56:34.240 --> 00:56:36.136
should have stopped him and I apologize

00:56:36.160 --> 00:56:37.496
for not doing so.

00:56:37.520 --> 00:56:39.335
I just get a bit carried away. But he

00:56:39.359 --> 00:56:40.936
did and um I was very interested to hear

00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:43.960
how how he was um acknowledging our um

00:56:44.160 --> 00:56:46.055
kind remarks of the premier and minister

00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:46.696
scully.

00:56:46.720 --> 00:56:49.416
Lord may I second councellor Mlan

00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.440
seconded by the councellor pro.

00:56:52.640 --> 00:56:55.016
So we have councellor so councellor can I

00:56:55.040 --> 00:56:56.775
just remind you of our policy 24 and two

00:56:56.799 --> 00:56:59.176
again. So that was for the amendment.

00:56:59.200 --> 00:57:00.856
I'm now going to have councellor Jeffrey

00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:03.880
I assume speaking against the amendment.

00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.559
Lord may that is a very good assumption.

00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:12.775
Uh look, I'd first like to thank

00:57:12.799 --> 00:57:15.176
councellor Valjack for what was a very

00:57:15.200 --> 00:57:17.416
you know thorough exposition I think of

00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:20.440
of my views uh and shared across quite a

00:57:21.040 --> 00:57:24.040
few members of this chamber. Uh there is

00:57:24.240 --> 00:57:26.696
a particular point raised by councellor

00:57:26.720 --> 00:57:29.720
man uh that I would like to delve into

00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:33.815
and that is the idea that gas is

00:57:33.839 --> 00:57:36.376
becoming redundant.

00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.400
If that is the case, then further

00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.000
restrictions on gas are redundant in and

00:57:43.680 --> 00:57:45.656
of themselves.

00:57:45.680 --> 00:57:48.616
I understand that there is actually a

00:57:48.640 --> 00:57:51.640
genuine movement away from using gas. I

00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.456
recognize that a lot of people are

00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.480
becoming happier uh to use electriCity

00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.760
in their homes. And because of that uh I

00:58:02.319 --> 00:58:04.856
feel very comfortable that a lot of the

00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.880
concerns raised by uh those whose

00:58:09.200 --> 00:58:12.200
opinions that I I disagree with are um

00:58:13.520 --> 00:58:15.176
reflected in the fact that a lot of

00:58:15.200 --> 00:58:17.335
people will naturally move away from

00:58:17.359 --> 00:58:20.359
gas. uh and that there is thus no need

00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.480
for us to intervene in this where people

00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.119
uh want to take the option of using gas.

00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.535
I see no reason uh why we would stop

00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.559
them. Uh and for that reason uh I I'm

00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.559
very happy to not restrict people's

00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:43.480
freedom of choice on this.

00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.095
Thank you councellor. We've got councellor

00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:46.936
Greenwood I believe speaking in favor of

00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:49.960
the motion. I am. Thank you, Lord Mayor.

00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.335
Lord Mayor, fellow counselors and also

00:58:55.359 --> 00:58:57.896
members of the community and staff. I

00:58:57.920 --> 00:58:59.335
want to make the case for phasing out

00:58:59.359 --> 00:59:02.359
domestic natural gas. It is a legacy

00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:05.176
fuel. It's bad for our health and it's

00:59:05.200 --> 00:59:06.856
in the future. It's going to be bad for

00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:08.616
our wallets. It's also bad for the

00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:10.136
environment.

00:59:10.160 --> 00:59:12.136
Um,

00:59:12.160 --> 00:59:14.136
first let's consider space heating.

00:59:14.160 --> 00:59:16.295
Modern high efficiency reverse cycle air

00:59:16.319 --> 00:59:18.295
conditioners deliver up to four times

00:59:18.319 --> 00:59:20.616
more heat energy for every unit of

00:59:20.640 --> 00:59:23.095
electriCity and make them substantially

00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:25.736
cheaper to run gas heaters. They're also

00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:27.976
cleaner. No combustion, no carbon

00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.000
monoxide, no nitrogen dioxide, just warm

00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.335
air in your house.

00:59:33.359 --> 00:59:35.976
When it comes to cooking, induction

00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.000
cooks have leapfrogged well ahead of gas

00:59:39.359 --> 00:59:42.136
in every respect. They heat up faster.

00:59:42.160 --> 00:59:43.656
They respond more instantly to

00:59:43.680 --> 00:59:45.815
temperature changes and they have

00:59:45.839 --> 00:59:48.216
efficiencies above 90% compared to

00:59:48.240 --> 00:59:51.240
roughly 40% for gas. Safety is also

00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:53.976
another clear win. There's no open

00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.815
flames, no risk of gas leaks. They've

00:59:55.839 --> 00:59:58.839
got built-in timers, so old people who

00:59:59.040 --> 01:00:01.176
may be getting a little forgetful, can't

01:00:01.200 --> 01:00:03.815
leave them on and kill themselves. And

01:00:03.839 --> 01:00:06.535
um as electriCity becomes cheaper to

01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.559
operate, uh the prices will go down.

01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:13.016
And the true cost of gas extends beyond

01:00:13.040 --> 01:00:14.616
bills. And I think this is one of the

01:00:14.640 --> 01:00:17.016
things that really hasn't been drawn out

01:00:17.040 --> 01:00:19.416
in this room tonight. And that is that

01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.136
the pollutants that gases give off in

01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:24.696
your house are making people sick. And

01:00:24.720 --> 01:00:27.720
in fact, they kill people. And when we

01:00:28.319 --> 01:00:31.095
say, "Oh, you should be able to choose

01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:33.256
natural gas." I don't think those people

01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:35.656
know they're choosing something that

01:00:35.680 --> 01:00:37.656
could potentially kill them. I think

01:00:37.680 --> 01:00:39.575
this is not well known and this is an

01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:41.656
area that council can show leadership

01:00:41.680 --> 01:00:44.680
on. So um New South Wales reacher

01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.575
researcher Christine Cowi's work shows

01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.656
that children be the bunt of the

01:00:49.680 --> 01:00:52.055
dangers. Her study she found that kids

01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.856
living in homes with gas cooktops

01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.880
experience 23% higher incident of asthma

01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:00.696
uh of asthma compared to all electric

01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:03.416
homes. And this is obviously not just

01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:05.896
statistics. These statistics are derived

01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.616
from case studies here in Sydney. People

01:01:08.640 --> 01:01:11.640
suffering going to hospital

01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:15.880
because they have gas in their homes. Um

01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:18.856
gas is also by no means the first mand

01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:20.775
requirement that has been resisted by

01:01:20.799 --> 01:01:23.335
the population but has been bought in to

01:01:23.359 --> 01:01:26.359
protect health. We have requirements for

01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:28.696
integrity and weatherproofing. We have

01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:30.775
minimal st minimum standards for natural

01:01:30.799 --> 01:01:33.176
light and ventilation and kitchens and

01:01:33.200 --> 01:01:35.095
bathrooms have to have safe fixtures

01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.575
with adequate hot and cold water and

01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.599
sanitary disposal. We're also don't

01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.416
allow exposed wiring. So safety

01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:45.416
standards are something that we as a

01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:47.416
community is something that the rule of

01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.440
law brings to us to protect us even when

01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.880
we don't know we're at risk. Um

01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:58.055
see

01:01:58.079 --> 01:01:59.976
I think the other the other thing is I

01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.000
think you know that um

01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:05.416
my background is chemical engineering

01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.896
and I work with industry over a lot of

01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:10.456
things and one of the I've been working

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.616
with industry on climate change and one

01:02:12.640 --> 01:02:14.535
of the issues with climate change is

01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.095
there's certain processes that depend on

01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:19.656
gas there's some where you cannot get a

01:02:19.680 --> 01:02:21.095
high enough temperature to run the

01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:23.656
process unless you have gas but our

01:02:23.680 --> 01:02:26.216
previous governments let our gas

01:02:26.240 --> 01:02:27.976
extractor sign contracts that are

01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.616
sending all that gas offshore. And so

01:02:30.640 --> 01:02:32.856
this is why the gas price is going up

01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:35.815
for domestic people. So switching off

01:02:35.839 --> 01:02:37.815
gas means that we're reserving that gas

01:02:37.839 --> 01:02:39.815
for our essential industries that will

01:02:39.839 --> 01:02:42.216
take longer to transition. And these are

01:02:42.240 --> 01:02:44.456
things really basic things like steel

01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:47.480
and cement.

01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:51.960
So I think phasing out gas is a win-win.

01:02:52.160 --> 01:02:54.775
We free up gas for industries. we

01:02:54.799 --> 01:02:56.775
protect health, our budget will be

01:02:56.799 --> 01:02:59.016
better, and I urge this council to

01:02:59.040 --> 01:03:01.575
commit to an accelerated transition. I I

01:03:01.599 --> 01:03:04.599
think we should ban new gas in all um

01:03:04.799 --> 01:03:07.176
residents, but I'm happy to support the

01:03:07.200 --> 01:03:08.856
motion that's on the floor, and that is

01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.880
to cons put on um exhibition the option

01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.400
to ban gas in stratas or in high-rise

01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:17.736
buildings, as well as the option

01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:20.216
obviously for people to say, "No, we

01:03:20.240 --> 01:03:23.240
don't want you to ban gas." Um, so let's

01:03:23.680 --> 01:03:26.055
show some leadership in this area. Let's

01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:28.295
turn the page on domestic gas. Let's

01:03:28.319 --> 01:03:31.319
give the um constituents an opportunity

01:03:31.359 --> 01:03:34.359
to say what they think and help us build

01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.960
a more resilient New South Wales.

01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:41.015
Council I assume you're the second

01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:42.616
speaker against

01:03:42.640 --> 01:03:44.856
uh I can speak for the motion or against

01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.136
the amendment, whichever you prefer.

01:03:46.160 --> 01:03:46.616
Lord,

01:03:46.640 --> 01:03:47.976
you got to speak against Sorry, you got

01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:49.815
to speak against the amendment. You got

01:03:49.839 --> 01:03:52.216
to speak to the amendment. Sorry. Sure.

01:03:52.240 --> 01:03:55.095
May um yes, I will be speaking against

01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.119
the amendment. Um and not because I

01:03:58.160 --> 01:04:00.616
agree with um the premier or the

01:04:00.640 --> 01:04:02.696
minister and I'm a little bit perplexed

01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:04.376
that the Labour Party councils don't

01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:05.736
agree with their premier, but let's move

01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.760
beyond that. I'm I'm against it, Lord

01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.416
Mayor, because well, actually, there's

01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:13.815
many reasons. The first of which is

01:04:13.839 --> 01:04:16.775
we're effectively led by the Greens and

01:04:16.799 --> 01:04:18.856
the Labor left to use a thimble to bail

01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:21.880
out the Titanic.

01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:24.775
That's effectively what you've asked us

01:04:24.799 --> 01:04:26.775
to do. Use a thimble to bail out the

01:04:26.799 --> 01:04:29.799
Titanic because the impact this is going

01:04:30.240 --> 01:04:33.240
to have is negligible. Like it it's like

01:04:34.240 --> 01:04:36.936
a thousand tons of CO2 emission which

01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:39.496
means nothing to nobody. Now let's put

01:04:39.520 --> 01:04:41.496
that put that aside for a second and

01:04:41.520 --> 01:04:44.295
I'll I'll talk to

01:04:44.319 --> 01:04:46.856
this council getting out of our

01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.880
kitchens. Maybe we should concentrate on

01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.696
potholes and events. Maybe we should

01:04:52.720 --> 01:04:55.416
concentrate on cutting verges and get

01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.440
out of your residents kitchens.

01:04:59.200 --> 01:05:02.200
That's a good idea, isn't it? Get out of

01:05:02.319 --> 01:05:05.319
the kitchen and fix the pothole. Get out

01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:08.599
of the bathroom. Get out of the heater.

01:05:08.640 --> 01:05:11.640
Mow the lawn. Build some parks. That's

01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:13.815
what this concent what this council

01:05:13.839 --> 01:05:16.839
should be concentrating on. Councellors

01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.280
in my home. It's my choice. I don't want

01:05:21.680 --> 01:05:23.416
this council nor the state government,

01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.256
and to their credit, the state labor

01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:27.095
government has made the right decision.

01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.176
But I don't want this council dictating

01:05:29.200 --> 01:05:32.200
to me what I can and can't do in my own

01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.176
house.

01:05:35.200 --> 01:05:37.176
councellor Greenwood, she doesn't like

01:05:37.200 --> 01:05:39.335
gas. I appreciate that from the Greens

01:05:39.359 --> 01:05:41.736
Party. I really do. You tell me it's

01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:43.015
dangerous. You tell me it's going to

01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:44.295
save the planet. You're going to tell me

01:05:44.319 --> 01:05:46.216
all of these things. That's fabulous. I

01:05:46.240 --> 01:05:49.240
drive an electric car.

01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:51.896
What I But what I won't do is tell my

01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:53.976
neighbor that he should buy the electric

01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:55.976
car and that he can't have gas and he

01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:57.736
could only use electriCity. That's his

01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.616
choice. It's his house. Who am I to tell

01:06:00.640 --> 01:06:02.775
him he can't do it? Who am I to tell my

01:06:02.799 --> 01:06:04.696
Chinese neighbor he can't use a walk

01:06:04.720 --> 01:06:07.176
because there's no gas now um because he

01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:09.575
can't use a a walk on a electric

01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:12.599
cooktop? Is that my position? Is it your

01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.960
position? Your house, your choice.

01:06:16.319 --> 01:06:19.319
Councellors, I'll reiterate it again.

01:06:19.359 --> 01:06:22.359
Your house, your choice. C. Uh the

01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:25.095
premier said it's an it's an overstep. I

01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.119
think it's an overreach. We've got um

01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:31.400
the deputy lord mayor um telling us how

01:06:32.240 --> 01:06:34.456
smart he is that we need to be going to

01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:37.480
future focused cutting edge. Yet despite

01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:39.896
saying we need to be cutting edge, he's

01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:42.920
using a blunt instrument.

01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.575
And that blunt instrument Councellors is

01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.535
a ban. No incentives to try to move to

01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:51.559
to electriCity. Uh no incentives to cut

01:06:52.480 --> 01:06:55.480
your greenhouse emissions. Um no

01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.079
incentive to to replace your equipment

01:06:59.520 --> 01:07:01.656
in your house. Again, he wants to be

01:07:01.680 --> 01:07:03.416
cutting edge, but he wants to use a

01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:05.976
blunt instrument and have a ban. No

01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:08.535
incentives, no rebates, just a big stick

01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:11.559
from this council in our own kitchens.

01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:13.176
Councellors,

01:07:13.200 --> 01:07:15.815
we're now talking about a blanket switch

01:07:15.839 --> 01:07:18.839
to electriCity outside of the CBD.

01:07:19.839 --> 01:07:21.656
What that's going to do is increase peak

01:07:21.680 --> 01:07:24.680
demand with no backup or practical uh

01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:27.496
resilience.

01:07:27.520 --> 01:07:29.416
As we've seen in other states, look at

01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.440
South Australia as an example.

01:07:32.640 --> 01:07:34.856
The grid dies,

01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.015
poor councellor Valjac's mom would freeze

01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:40.039
to death in her home without gas. What?

01:07:40.160 --> 01:07:41.736
It's not for you to say to councellor

01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:43.656
Valjax's mom, actually you can't have

01:07:43.680 --> 01:07:45.256
that heater. Go out to the good guys and

01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:46.775
buy this one. It's electric. It's a lot

01:07:46.799 --> 01:07:49.799
better for you. It's her choice, not

01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:52.920
yours, counselors. It's her home. It's

01:07:53.520 --> 01:07:55.496
her choice.

01:07:55.520 --> 01:07:57.416
Um, I've also got a counselor telling me

01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.256
I need to be cutting edge and state of

01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:02.280
the yard and kind of virtuous. Yet,

01:08:02.640 --> 01:08:05.335
despite all of that, both the Greens and

01:08:05.359 --> 01:08:07.896
the and the ALP left have forgot to

01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.920
mention kind of blending hydrogen or

01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.440
biomethane or or renewable gas blends in

01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:18.280
the mix. We've gone from you can't have

01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:21.319
gas to nothing. Where's where's where's

01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.616
the transition? It doesn't exist. Where

01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.295
are the alternate fuel sources? Where

01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:28.295
are the renewable gases? Where are all

01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.295
of these things in this, you know,

01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.319
cutting edge, bleeding edge,

01:08:33.759 --> 01:08:36.759
future focused 22nd century approach? It

01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.416
doesn't exist.

01:08:39.440 --> 01:08:41.016
Councellors,

01:08:41.040 --> 01:08:42.936
there are no incentives. There were no

01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.175
rebates. It's a blunt instrument. It

01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:48.135
doesn't focus on the future. Um, and it

01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:51.159
takes our decision away.

01:08:54.400 --> 01:08:56.376
councellor councellor Green will talk to

01:08:56.400 --> 01:08:58.695
spoke to minimum minimum standards. The

01:08:58.719 --> 01:09:00.856
minimum stand the minimum standards of

01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:02.215
gas exist.

01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:04.856
They exist now. As a chemical engineer,

01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:05.976
as she said, I thought she would have

01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.976
known that, but those minimum standards

01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:10.295
exist to councellor Valj's point. Uh

01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:13.255
we're taking work away from the working

01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.335
class. Another great labor attribute,

01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:17.815
taking work away from the working class

01:09:17.839 --> 01:09:20.536
where those gas fitters, those plumbers

01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:23.016
will no longer have work. will no longer

01:09:23.040 --> 01:09:26.040
have work because you're banning gas. So

01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:28.536
all of these gas plumbers can now get on

01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.775
the doll because we're now going to pay

01:09:30.799 --> 01:09:33.799
the Sparkies.

01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:36.456
Actually, it perplexes me that this is

01:09:36.480 --> 01:09:38.695
something that you'd put up against your

01:09:38.719 --> 01:09:41.719
premier, against your minister, against

01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:43.976
your residents.

01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.775
It actually is perplexing. If you don't

01:09:46.799 --> 01:09:49.799
want gas in your house, I commend you. I

01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:52.775
don't want a petrol guzzling car in my

01:09:52.799 --> 01:09:55.016
house. I bought an electric car. I

01:09:55.040 --> 01:09:56.695
didn't tell my neighbor to do it. If you

01:09:56.719 --> 01:09:59.416
don't want gas in your house,

01:09:59.440 --> 01:10:01.816
don't put it in. Just don't tell me not

01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.536
to do it. Council, I put the amendment

01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:06.135
for a vote because it's a planning

01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.215
matter. It will be uh by a raise of

01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.215
hands.

01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:13.239
So, can I ask for those in favor of the

01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:16.920
amendment to please raise your hand?

01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:21.336
Me. Oh my god. I'll write it to the

01:10:21.360 --> 01:10:22.616
premier tomorrow.

01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:25.096
C. So, council Panda, you're in favor.

01:10:25.120 --> 01:10:27.416
All right. So, that's 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

01:10:27.440 --> 01:10:29.896
those against.

01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:31.816
Seven. I'll use my casting vote to vote

01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.840
no. So, motion has not carried. We'll

01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:37.880
now move to the the amendment is lost.

01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:39.976
So, we'll now move to the original

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.000
motion.

01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:46.695
Come to a vote. We've already had guys.

01:10:46.719 --> 01:10:48.215
Oh, Lord. May just quickly.

01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:49.816
All right. Well, you've already spoken

01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:52.056
both against and then for your motion.

01:10:52.080 --> 01:10:54.135
I've spoken I've merely spoken to the uh

01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:54.695
amendment.

01:10:54.719 --> 01:10:56.215
I look forward to speaking again then

01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:56.936
deputy.

01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:59.016
I don't mind council. I actually enjoy

01:10:59.040 --> 01:10:59.416
this.

01:10:59.440 --> 01:11:02.215
You spoke against council.

01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:03.416
You've already spoken against the

01:11:03.440 --> 01:11:04.296
motion.

01:11:04.320 --> 01:11:05.655
We had an amendment in between then and

01:11:05.679 --> 01:11:06.536
I don't believe

01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:07.736
you spoke against the motion.

01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:09.256
Only speak once on each motion.

01:11:09.280 --> 01:11:10.456
That's all right. All the lucky those

01:11:10.480 --> 01:11:11.655
points were eloquent there.

01:11:11.679 --> 01:11:13.816
So I'm now going to allow So we've had

01:11:13.840 --> 01:11:15.576
one for being Georgina, one against

01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:18.056
being deputy Lord May. One more for one

01:11:18.080 --> 01:11:19.496
against. So who's going to go first?

01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:19.816
Council

01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:21.576
Elliot against

01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:24.600
council is against the motion.

01:11:25.360 --> 01:11:26.215
Yes.

01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:28.695
Didn't you just buy an electric car?

01:11:28.719 --> 01:11:31.576
Let me explain this very very simply.

01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:33.736
We're listening.

01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:35.336
Let him be heard in silence. Council,

01:11:35.360 --> 01:11:38.360
we need community consultation. That is

01:11:38.719 --> 01:11:40.856
it. That is a single point that you've

01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:42.856
missed in the amendment and in the

01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.256
debate. We wanted the community to have

01:11:45.280 --> 01:11:47.496
their say. Those of you who know me know

01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:49.736
I'm a proud member of the Labor Part of

01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:52.536
the AWU, the Australian Workers Union.

01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:54.135
The Australian Workers Union do not

01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:56.215
support electrification. I'm bringing

01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:58.215
some of that knowledge into this into

01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:00.695
the into this debate. Those who were in

01:12:00.719 --> 01:12:02.456
the workshop know I asked quite a few

01:12:02.480 --> 01:12:05.480
questions about uh advocating the AW

01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:08.056
position. However, it doesn't stop us

01:12:08.080 --> 01:12:09.896
from asking the questions to the locals,

01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:11.816
to the constituents.

01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:13.976
councellors rightfully says, "It is our

01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:15.336
choice whether or not we have gas in the

01:12:15.360 --> 01:12:17.576
house." Absolutely correct.

01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:18.856
When I grew up, I grew up in Kings

01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:20.536
Angley, which did not have gas lines.

01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:22.536
So, people who wanted gas had to bring

01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:25.416
in gas tanks and had to have those tanks

01:12:25.440 --> 01:12:27.256
replaced to be able to cook with gas and

01:12:27.280 --> 01:12:29.175
be able to heat with gas. That's the way

01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:30.695
it works. That's the way it worked

01:12:30.719 --> 01:12:32.376
there. They didn't have the option for a

01:12:32.400 --> 01:12:34.695
fix line to come in. So, it is

01:12:34.719 --> 01:12:35.976
absolutely our option whether or not we

01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:37.655
cook with gas or whether we heat with

01:12:37.679 --> 01:12:40.135
gas or we do it with electriCity. I

01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:41.336
don't think I think don't think we're

01:12:41.360 --> 01:12:42.695
allowed to do with firewood anymore, but

01:12:42.719 --> 01:12:43.816
I'm sure there's plenty of other

01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:46.215
technology. But again, it's about choice

01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:48.616
and it's also about get So what's wrong

01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:51.640
with having the community give us their

01:12:51.679 --> 01:12:53.256
feedback?

01:12:53.280 --> 01:12:54.695
Isn't that what this is all about?

01:12:54.719 --> 01:12:56.616
They can choose to have gas.

01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:59.016
This is why I support it out exhibition

01:12:59.040 --> 01:13:01.336
because it's about having the community,

01:13:01.360 --> 01:13:03.896
not us here with our opinions. We know

01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:05.096
what the answer is going to be if it

01:13:05.120 --> 01:13:07.016
went to a final vote. We know which way

01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:08.856
it would go through. It's about having

01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:10.856
the broader power matter, those that

01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:12.616
don't attend branch meetings of the

01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:14.536
Labor Party or the Liberal Party or the

01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:16.536
Greens or any other party about your

01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.096
average Joe out there sitting at home

01:13:19.120 --> 01:13:20.376
wondering what the hell we're doing

01:13:20.400 --> 01:13:22.536
about and council is right being all

01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:24.376
this time talking about gas rather than

01:13:24.400 --> 01:13:26.695
talking about parks and potholes. He's

01:13:26.719 --> 01:13:28.215
absolutely correct that I commend

01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:29.816
councellor Isa. councellor is and I for

01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:31.256
those who don't know we are two

01:13:31.280 --> 01:13:32.616
counselors who both drive electric

01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:35.640
vehicles.

01:13:36.080 --> 01:13:38.056
I'm proud to drive an electric vehicle.

01:13:38.080 --> 01:13:41.080
I'm a recent convert. Um, and I proud to

01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:42.776
do my bit for the environment. But

01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:43.976
again, that is my bit for the

01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:45.736
environment, not the community's bit.

01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:47.736
Let the community have their say. That

01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:49.576
is all the Labor Party were ever

01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:52.600
advocating.

01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:54.536
Council yourself.

01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:55.736
Uh, no.

01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:57.816
Okay. So, we've now had two speakers

01:13:57.840 --> 01:13:59.496
against. Is there anyone in favor of the

01:13:59.520 --> 01:13:59.816
motion?

01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:01.736
Excuse me, Lord Mayor. We haven't had

01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.376
two speakers against the original.

01:14:04.400 --> 01:14:06.376
Deputy Lord Mayor and um councellor

01:14:06.400 --> 01:14:08.776
Elliot has so council is won't speak he

01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:10.856
said so can we put it to a vote because

01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:12.376
we've already had two again we had one

01:14:12.400 --> 01:14:14.376
four there's no further four to be

01:14:14.400 --> 01:14:16.856
spoken.

01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:18.456
Thank you. So again it's going to be a

01:14:18.480 --> 01:14:20.135
show of hands. So we're now going to

01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:22.616
vote on the original motion of council

01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.496
and councellor Isa. All those which which

01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:26.936
is on the screen. All those in favor

01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:29.960
raise your hand.

01:14:31.040 --> 01:14:34.040
Seven. Uh those against

01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:37.239
use casting vote to approve the motion.

01:14:37.440 --> 01:14:40.440
So motion has passed. Thank you

01:14:41.360 --> 01:14:44.360
counselors.

01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:51.655
Council we support choice here.

01:14:51.679 --> 01:14:54.679
councellor Proive unlike Hornsby.

01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:58.056
Councellors, we now will move to NOM

01:14:58.080 --> 01:14:59.816
2528, commemoration of the atomic

01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:01.016
bombings and commitment to nuclear

01:15:01.040 --> 01:15:04.040
disarmment from councellor Greenwood.

01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:11.960
No council, that's four and five. Um,

01:15:23.120 --> 01:15:26.120
can I call for a second of the motion?

01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:27.976
Council

01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.000
proive

01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:33.496
happy for you to speak. That amendment

01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:34.856
can be moved. It's up to you. We're

01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:36.135
happy for you to speak first.

01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:39.159
Thank you. Uh Councellors, I am moving my

01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:44.760
motion as a whole. I um am not planning

01:15:45.679 --> 01:15:48.456
to accept amendments to remove nuclear

01:15:48.480 --> 01:15:50.695
disarmament co commitment to nuclear

01:15:50.719 --> 01:15:53.416
disarmament from the motion.

01:15:53.440 --> 01:15:55.496
So um thank you for the opportunity to

01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:58.520
speak and I know that a lot of people in

01:15:58.719 --> 01:16:00.135
the world are feeling threatened by

01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:03.159
nuclear weapons. Um as we gather here in

01:16:03.440 --> 01:16:05.416
the City of Parramatta, home to people from

01:16:05.440 --> 01:16:08.056
lots of parts of the world who have come

01:16:08.080 --> 01:16:11.080
here to run away from wars and the risk

01:16:12.480 --> 01:16:14.695
of nuclear weapons.

01:16:14.719 --> 01:16:16.296
It's fitting that we renew our

01:16:16.320 --> 01:16:18.215
commitment to a world in which no

01:16:18.239 --> 01:16:20.376
community ever faces nuclear

01:16:20.400 --> 01:16:22.616
annihilation.

01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:24.936
So in in the aftermath of the two world

01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:26.936
wars, the international community forged

01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:29.576
rules amended uh

01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:32.600
uh rules of armed conflict. So one of

01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:35.256
the things was the World War II was

01:16:35.280 --> 01:16:37.016
particularly horrible in lots of

01:16:37.040 --> 01:16:40.040
civilians were targeted and we moved

01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.496
laws to try and not target civilians and

01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:45.655
these are generally accepted by people

01:16:45.679 --> 01:16:48.135
these days that civilians won't be

01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:51.096
targeted in laws. But nuclear weapons

01:16:51.120 --> 01:16:52.936
are a blunt instrument. They don't

01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.896
target just one person who you think

01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:57.655
might be organizing against you. They

01:16:57.679 --> 01:17:00.616
target everyone.

01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:03.640
So the Geneva Canad conventions of 1949

01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:06.760
and then 1977 additional protocols

01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:09.175
enshrined this distinction that

01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:11.336
combatants must always be distinguished

01:17:11.360 --> 01:17:13.336
from military targets and civilian

01:17:13.360 --> 01:17:15.576
persons. indiscriminate,

01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:18.056
disproportionate letters were weapons

01:17:18.080 --> 01:17:20.776
were outlawed and over recent decades

01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:23.800
this has been accepted as as normal.

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:27.800
Um, sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself.

01:17:29.040 --> 01:17:32.040
So, I this this motion is predicated on

01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:35.736
the dropping of nuclear bombs in

01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:38.616
Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which it's now

01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:41.640
the 80th year anniversary of. These were

01:17:42.480 --> 01:17:45.480
horrific acts. So, I'm not saying that,

01:17:47.360 --> 01:17:48.936
you know, everything the Japanese has

01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:50.856
done is right or everything that the

01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:53.256
allies did was right. What I'm saying is

01:17:53.280 --> 01:17:56.280
those acts were horrific. Um, as a

01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:59.640
Green, I believe that peace has to be

01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:02.135
founded through discussion. I don't

01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:05.159
think that um weapons make you right.

01:18:06.320 --> 01:18:08.215
Weapons just make other people scared

01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:10.135
and kill other people. And that's why

01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:12.536
they're coming here.

01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:14.616
So um

01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:16.536
on the 6th of August and the 9th of

01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:19.560
August in 1945 more than two 210,000

01:18:21.120 --> 01:18:23.976
people so men, women and children not

01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:26.296
involved in the war lost their lives in

01:18:26.320 --> 01:18:28.536
an instant or in the days that followed

01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:31.560
and they lost their lives horribly to

01:18:31.679 --> 01:18:34.679
nuclear burns. Those who survived, known

01:18:35.040 --> 01:18:37.576
as the hippocia, and their children, the

01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.215
hippoconi, have carried physical and

01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:43.239
emotional scars for decades. Um, to the

01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.936
credit of the Japanese, they haven't

01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.960
pursued a response using weapons. They

01:18:50.719 --> 01:18:52.936
they have pursued a response seeking

01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:55.960
peace with the rest of the world.

01:18:56.080 --> 01:18:58.776
Um, despite the passage of these 80

01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:01.800
years, nuclear weapons still continue to

01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:04.616
pose an unacceptable threat to humanity.

01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:06.695
And any use, whether deliberate or

01:19:06.719 --> 01:19:08.296
accidental, or the result of

01:19:08.320 --> 01:19:10.376
miscalculation,

01:19:10.400 --> 01:19:12.616
would bring catastrophic humanitarian

01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:15.336
and ecological consequences. Our

01:19:15.360 --> 01:19:17.576
collective safety remains at risk while

01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:20.600
these weapons exist. and dare I say

01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:23.096
while volatile people are in charge of

01:19:23.120 --> 01:19:25.336
the world.

01:19:25.360 --> 01:19:27.096
Um I want to make the distinction

01:19:27.120 --> 01:19:29.496
between nuclear weapons and peaceful use

01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:31.896
of nuclear energy.

01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:33.496
Um

01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.816
this motion is not attacking peaceful

01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:38.840
use of uh civilian energy. This is

01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:42.120
targeted at um mass destruction of human

01:19:42.719 --> 01:19:45.416
beings by weapons.

01:19:45.440 --> 01:19:48.440
So um Australia holds a special place in

01:19:49.120 --> 01:19:51.336
the modern disarmament movement. The

01:19:51.360 --> 01:19:53.096
international campaign to abolish

01:19:53.120 --> 01:19:56.056
nuclear weap weapons was founded here

01:19:56.080 --> 01:19:59.080
and went on to receive a 2017 Nobel

01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:01.896
Peace Prize for its leadership in

01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.456
promoting the United Nations treating

01:20:04.480 --> 01:20:06.616
treaty on the prohibition of nuclear

01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:09.416
weapons. Uh the treaty makes

01:20:09.440 --> 01:20:11.416
development, testing, possession and use

01:20:11.440 --> 01:20:13.336
of nuclear weapons illegal under

01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:15.496
international law. And it's these

01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:17.416
international laws that we have relied

01:20:17.440 --> 01:20:20.440
on to pull roast states into line.

01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.416
So it can feel frightening and it can

01:20:25.440 --> 01:20:28.440
feel overwhelming but the IAN City's

01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:31.175
appeal is our opportunity to make a

01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:33.496
stand on this. This is our opportunity

01:20:33.520 --> 01:20:36.520
to sign the petition to call that

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:39.800
Australia signs a petition.

01:20:40.400 --> 01:20:41.336
Small extension.

01:20:41.360 --> 01:20:41.976
Yes.

01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:43.976
Yep. Move that way. All those in favor?

01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:47.000
I. Anyone against? No. Go ahead.

01:20:47.040 --> 01:20:49.736
that Australia that we call on the

01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.760
Australian um prime minister to sign the

01:20:53.679 --> 01:20:56.679
petition uh on the United treaties on

01:20:57.440 --> 01:21:00.376
the prohibition of nuclear weapons,

01:21:00.400 --> 01:21:03.256
noting that in 2018 he promised to sign

01:21:03.280 --> 01:21:05.496
that very treaty and he hasn't done so

01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:08.520
yet. So more than 150 councils across

01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:12.056
Australia have added their names. You

01:21:12.080 --> 01:21:14.215
heard that Malcolm Turbo was behind the

01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:17.239
original treaty. um you know that Labour

01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:20.840
Party uh conference called for it and

01:21:21.040 --> 01:21:24.040
has committed to it.

01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:29.960
I think not. Um, and I call on you to

01:21:31.360 --> 01:21:34.360
support this motion in its entirety. Uh,

01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:36.215
to

01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:37.896
acknowledge the horrific acts that

01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:40.776
happened in Hiroshima, to sign the Iican

01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:43.096
City's appeal, and to call on Australia

01:21:43.120 --> 01:21:46.120
to sign the nuclear nonprololiferation

01:21:46.320 --> 01:21:49.320
treaty.

01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:52.856
Yeah, councellor Riffle is going to move

01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:53.736
an amendment.

01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:55.496
Thank you, Lord Mayor. I move an

01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:57.896
amendment to the original motion and

01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:00.920
that is part A of the um uh original

01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:03.256
motion please.

01:22:03.280 --> 01:22:04.856
Okay. So council you're moving you're

01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:07.096
removing part B and C. Your amendment is

01:22:07.120 --> 01:22:09.336
just to include part A of the original

01:22:09.360 --> 01:22:10.296
motion.

01:22:10.320 --> 01:22:13.096
Seconded council Jeffrey.

01:22:13.120 --> 01:22:15.896
Okay. So now we can have speakers for

01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:18.296
and against the

01:22:18.320 --> 01:22:20.776
amendment which is essentially part A of

01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:23.096
the original motion. So, we've got

01:22:23.120 --> 01:22:25.256
councellor ProF.

01:22:25.280 --> 01:22:28.280
Sorry, just a minute.

01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:32.296
Let's take we'll take got plenty of

01:22:32.320 --> 01:22:35.320
time. We'll wait.

01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:39.159
No,

01:22:41.540 --> 01:22:42.936
[Music]

01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:44.615
I wanted to speak to the original

01:22:44.639 --> 01:22:47.639
motion, but I'm I'm so the first I'm

01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:50.536
going to speak against this amendment

01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:53.560
and for councellor um Greenwood's

01:22:55.120 --> 01:22:58.120
original motion. Yeah, I'm not going to

01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.215
say very much.

01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:01.976
Um, but I'm going to tell you that

01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.695
Australia is not immune to the effects

01:23:04.719 --> 01:23:07.016
of nuclear weapons.

01:23:07.040 --> 01:23:09.336
As a child growing up in the 1950s, I

01:23:09.360 --> 01:23:11.896
was terrified to be a nuclear war and

01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:13.576
that someone would explode a nuclear

01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:16.600
bomb and kill everyone I knew and loved.

01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:19.576
It was known as the atomic age to be

01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:22.456
embraced and celebrated

01:23:22.480 --> 01:23:25.480
because between 1952 and 1957

01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:28.695
the United Kingdom conduct conducted 12

01:23:28.719 --> 01:23:31.719
major nuclear tests in Australia.

01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:33.496
These explosions occurred in the

01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:35.896
Monttoello Islands, Emu field and

01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:38.135
Marilinga.

01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:41.159
In 1956 there were two landsite tower

01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:44.856
mounted mounted tests. The second of

01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:47.880
these, code named Mosaic GZ, was the

01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:51.976
largest nuclear explosion in Australia

01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:55.000
on the Monty Bellow Islands,

01:23:55.360 --> 01:23:57.576
and it was described as an exceptionally

01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:00.135
dirty explosion.

01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:02.695
Now, the fallout from this contaminated

01:24:02.719 --> 01:24:05.719
area was as far away as Queensland in

01:24:08.080 --> 01:24:10.536
Mount Eiza, Julia, Cleric, Long Reach,

01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:12.856
and Rockampton.

01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:15.736
And scientists have found that 70 years

01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:17.256
on

01:24:17.280 --> 01:24:19.416
a nuclear test site off the Western

01:24:19.440 --> 01:24:22.440
Australia still shows dangerously high

01:24:22.719 --> 01:24:25.336
levels of plutonium and could stay that

01:24:25.360 --> 01:24:27.816
way for thousands of years. And so that

01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:30.695
includes all the fallout that fell in

01:24:30.719 --> 01:24:32.695
those really lovely places you all like

01:24:32.719 --> 01:24:35.719
to go on holidays at like Rockampton.

01:24:37.360 --> 01:24:40.360
And I know you all go to Mount Isaac.

01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:45.800
You are listening. In 1953-63,

01:24:46.719 --> 01:24:48.695
there were trials

01:24:48.719 --> 01:24:51.655
of hydrogen bombs, plutonium, burillium,

01:24:51.679 --> 01:24:54.679
and uranium in Australia. These things

01:24:55.040 --> 01:24:57.576
happen in our country. They don't happen

01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.600
in Asia or Europe or South America.

01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:04.520
These bombs were let off in our country.

01:25:05.440 --> 01:25:08.440
How can you? And don't forget the French

01:25:08.639 --> 01:25:11.639
nuclear tests in the in the central

01:25:12.400 --> 01:25:14.296
Pacific.

01:25:14.320 --> 01:25:17.096
The last one was in 1996

01:25:17.120 --> 01:25:19.496
within your lifetime.

01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:22.520
So how can you not support a motion

01:25:23.040 --> 01:25:26.040
that condemns nuclear weapons and asks

01:25:26.639 --> 01:25:29.639
you to remember the devastation that was

01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:33.239
caused a long time ago before most of us

01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:36.615
were born.

01:25:36.639 --> 01:25:39.256
But how can you not forget and live and

01:25:39.280 --> 01:25:42.056
learn from history? Because those who

01:25:42.080 --> 01:25:44.536
don't learn from it are doomed to repeat

01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:46.056
it.

01:25:46.080 --> 01:25:48.056
councellor, can I just clarify that

01:25:48.080 --> 01:25:49.976
you're speaking against the motion

01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.376
because the motion as I read it says

01:25:52.400 --> 01:25:53.576
I'm speaking

01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:56.376
expresses.

01:25:56.400 --> 01:25:58.615
I don't understand why you want to

01:25:58.639 --> 01:26:01.576
change councellor Greenwood's motion.

01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:03.736
It's a good motion. councellor, the

01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:06.296
motion says, just to repeat, the

01:26:06.320 --> 01:26:08.936
amendment, sorry, says part four,

01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:10.856
expresses concern that nuclear weapons

01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:12.776
continue to pose an unacceptable threat

01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:15.416
to humanity and council expresses deep

01:26:15.440 --> 01:26:16.615
concern about the catastrophic

01:26:16.639 --> 01:26:18.296
humanitarian ecological

01:26:18.320 --> 01:26:20.936
against the amendment before council

01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:23.736
councellor Greenwood's motion.

01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:25.416
Okay. But the motion before us is it

01:26:25.440 --> 01:26:26.615
notes that most people including those

01:26:26.639 --> 01:26:27.655
living in our local community want to

01:26:27.679 --> 01:26:28.856
live in a free war from the threat of

01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:30.776
nuclear inhalation.

01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:32.695
Okay. Um

01:26:32.719 --> 01:26:35.655
we got no no

01:26:35.679 --> 01:26:38.679
Lord Mayor I see that you would

01:26:39.360 --> 01:26:41.896
council's motion council

01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:44.920
that amending a motion like this which

01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.936
is so thorough and just picking off a

01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:51.655
bit of it. It's not an amendment. It's a

01:26:51.679 --> 01:26:54.296
bastardization of a of a motion. It's

01:26:54.320 --> 01:26:56.215
not an amendment. Um, council, I don't

01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:57.816
think you're gonna um win support

01:26:57.840 --> 01:26:59.736
talking like that to us, but um

01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.456
Well, I apologize. I Thank you,

01:27:02.480 --> 01:27:05.175
councellor. Um, I'm going to put the

01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:06.695
amendment

01:27:06.719 --> 01:27:09.256
to the to the to the chamber. Is that

01:27:09.280 --> 01:27:11.816
okay, Council?

01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:14.840
Oh, you want to get up? Okay, go ahead.

01:27:15.040 --> 01:27:16.376
Lord May, I understand why this

01:27:16.400 --> 01:27:18.376
amendment has been moved. It's to remove

01:27:18.400 --> 01:27:20.456
two sections that probably for some

01:27:20.480 --> 01:27:23.096
people go a step too far. And it's

01:27:23.120 --> 01:27:26.120
certainly not admittedly not really the

01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:28.776
role of council to play involved.

01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:30.856
But I want to reflect on two times I've

01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:32.376
gotten up to speak in this chamber. The

01:27:32.400 --> 01:27:35.096
first time we're speaking on behalf of

01:27:35.120 --> 01:27:38.120
councellor Greenwood's gambling motion.

01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:40.695
The other being in terms of councellor's

01:27:40.719 --> 01:27:43.719
motion regarding the minion genocide.

01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:45.976
I just want to sorry step back and refer

01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:48.695
to what I was saying. And is it

01:27:48.719 --> 01:27:50.296
can

01:27:50.320 --> 01:27:52.296
speak in silence please? We need to

01:27:52.320 --> 01:27:55.320
remember what has happened in the past.

01:27:57.040 --> 01:27:58.856
If we don't if we forget what's h if we

01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:00.615
don't continue remembering the bad

01:28:00.639 --> 01:28:01.816
things that happened in the past, we are

01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:03.655
bound to repeat them over and over

01:28:03.679 --> 01:28:05.976
again. And in what I said in terms of

01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:09.000
council Greenwood's motion true today,

01:28:09.280 --> 01:28:11.816
we have a moral obligation

01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:13.576
to step up and say something. It may not

01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:16.376
be our role, may not be our position. My

01:28:16.400 --> 01:28:17.736
view is we do actually have a moral

01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:20.760
obligation to talk about these things to

01:28:21.040 --> 01:28:24.040
ensure that it is recorded, it is

01:28:24.719 --> 01:28:27.175
remembered, and that we don't forget the

01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:29.336
mistakes of the past that we learn from

01:28:29.360 --> 01:28:31.175
them, we grow from them. It's the only

01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:33.416
way I'm going to be able to give my kids

01:28:33.440 --> 01:28:36.440
a long-term future. Thank you,

01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:38.776
councellor Reform.

01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:41.736
Thank you, Lord Mayor. Um, uh, you have

01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:44.760
some hide, counselor. Perhaps you need a

01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:48.056
copy of my notice of motion. Uh, my

01:28:48.080 --> 01:28:50.056
notice of motion with respect to the

01:28:50.080 --> 01:28:52.776
Armenian, uh, Assyrian and Greek

01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:55.800
genocides was very, very clear. We asked

01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:58.776
for a recognition. At no point in time

01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:01.736
did I ask for a letter to be sent to

01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:04.760
Albanesei or Odagan from Turkey or

01:29:05.360 --> 01:29:08.296
anyone else to change the stance. I

01:29:08.320 --> 01:29:09.816
didn't get involved in international

01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:12.840
law. Didn't seek a treaty or or or the

01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:16.199
enforcibility of one by a pretend uh

01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:19.736
international police force. So, let's be

01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:21.816
very very here. If you're going to throw

01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:24.536
something at me, make sure it's factual.

01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:26.215
Make sure you know what you're talking

01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:29.239
about. and in fact asking me and and

01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:31.896
telling me that I pretty much have no

01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:34.920
right to to um uh stand up and and ask

01:29:35.679 --> 01:29:38.056
for this amendment whether it's you or

01:29:38.080 --> 01:29:41.080
your friend uh is absolutely

01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:43.175
unbelievable.

01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:45.256
I look forward to door knocking with you

01:29:45.280 --> 01:29:46.936
in

01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:49.960
me where we discuss this further.

01:29:51.679 --> 01:29:53.016
All right, council. We have two speakers

01:29:53.040 --> 01:29:54.536
for two speakers against the amendment.

01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:56.056
I'm now going to put the amendment to a

01:29:56.080 --> 01:29:58.695
vote. All those in favor? I

01:29:58.719 --> 01:30:01.336
I

01:30:01.360 --> 01:30:03.816
Well, I still want my original motion.

01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:06.840
Okay. So, that's um all those against.

01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:09.816
All right. Motion um amendment, sorry.

01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:12.215
Carried. The amendment now becomes the

01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:13.256
motion.

01:30:13.280 --> 01:30:13.655
Yes.

01:30:13.679 --> 01:30:16.679
All those in favor? I.

01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:19.175
Anyone against? No. Unanimous. Thank

01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:21.976
you. Um we now councellor Pelari, you

01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:25.000
need to just exit the room, please.

01:30:25.440 --> 01:30:28.056
We're now going to move to uh report of

01:30:28.080 --> 01:30:29.655
the planning transport and environment

01:30:29.679 --> 01:30:31.175
committee meeting of the 23rd of June

01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:33.816
2018. Finalization of the plan proposal

01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:36.840
site specific DCP 45361 Rson Street

01:30:37.679 --> 01:30:39.175
EPID.

01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:41.655
Can I get a a mover or second of a

01:30:41.679 --> 01:30:44.679
motion in regards to this?

01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:47.800
So moved. Deputy Lord Mayor seconded.

01:30:50.080 --> 01:30:52.135
Second councellor Isa deputy Lord May you

01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:53.736
got the floor. Thank you, Lord Mayor.

01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:56.760
And we have before us uh you know what

01:30:57.679 --> 01:31:00.215
is a in some ways a difficult decision

01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:03.175
but also one where we've got to be

01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:04.536
conscious of what the decision points

01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:07.416
actually are in the sense that uh take

01:31:07.440 --> 01:31:09.175
stock of what what is in front of us. Uh

01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:12.199
this proposal uh by council officers is

01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:14.856
in line uh with the current planning

01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:17.496
controls that exist in EP council was

01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:19.736
not last question through you Lord Mayor

01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:21.976
to the relevant officer probably Mr.

01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:24.056
Can I confirm that the proposal in front

01:31:24.080 --> 01:31:27.080
of us provides no greater no greater

01:31:27.360 --> 01:31:30.056
residential density than the existing

01:31:30.080 --> 01:31:32.135
planning controls through you lord?

01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:35.096
Thanks through me to Mr. Kenya.

01:31:35.120 --> 01:31:37.336
Through you lord may um it is correct

01:31:37.360 --> 01:31:39.816
the planning proposal does not propose

01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.135
any increase in residential capaCity.

01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:45.096
There is a some additional commercial

01:31:45.120 --> 01:31:46.856
capaCity permitted but no increase in

01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:47.816
residential capaCity.

01:31:47.840 --> 01:31:49.336
Thank you Lord Mayor. I think that's uh

01:31:49.360 --> 01:31:51.655
very thank you miss and that's a very

01:31:51.679 --> 01:31:53.416
important point. Um what's before us

01:31:53.440 --> 01:31:56.440
here is council is council officers and

01:31:56.719 --> 01:31:58.615
our planning department working with the

01:31:58.639 --> 01:32:00.296
land owner and the existing planning

01:32:00.320 --> 01:32:02.296
controls to come up with an outcome that

01:32:02.320 --> 01:32:03.976
is correspondent with the planning

01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:06.376
controls in this area was set in 2014

01:32:06.400 --> 01:32:08.776
and the residential density being sought

01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:11.800
by the applicant is already permissible.

01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:14.456
Uh the original scheme however proposed

01:32:14.480 --> 01:32:17.480
by the applicant um can was that of was

01:32:18.320 --> 01:32:20.856
was that of a lower height? Yes. But of

01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:23.336
three or four shorter buildings that

01:32:23.360 --> 01:32:26.215
created something of a wall of concrete

01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:29.239
between Rosson Street and the park and

01:32:29.440 --> 01:32:32.215
also did not include uh any extra

01:32:32.239 --> 01:32:34.536
residential. Now Eping Town Center and

01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:36.376
this is a topical evening for Eping

01:32:36.400 --> 01:32:37.576
because of course tonight we're also

01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:39.336
talking about the Eping Town Center

01:32:39.360 --> 01:32:41.816
master plan. very precinct. In fact,

01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:43.655
Epingtown Center is unfortunately and

01:32:43.679 --> 01:32:45.256
has been dying a slow death for some

01:32:45.280 --> 01:32:47.576
time and has used to be the home to a

01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:49.896
great deal of retail and commercial

01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:52.456
aspects. All of which have dwindled away

01:32:52.480 --> 01:32:54.376
over the years unfortunately for the

01:32:54.400 --> 01:32:56.936
residents of Epic who can no longer work

01:32:56.960 --> 01:32:58.695
in Epic Town Center and can do very

01:32:58.719 --> 01:33:00.776
little in the way of shopping in Eping

01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:02.376
Town Center. So the point that I'm

01:33:02.400 --> 01:33:05.400
making Councellors uh and you know to the

01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:08.600
point points raised by uh Mark in the

01:33:09.280 --> 01:33:11.655
public forums it's not a question of us

01:33:11.679 --> 01:33:13.576
uh simply voting against this for

01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:15.256
instance and therefore that being the

01:33:15.280 --> 01:33:16.536
end of it and there being nothing built

01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:19.016
on this site. It it would not transpire

01:33:19.040 --> 01:33:21.736
that way. uh more than likely uh this

01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:23.336
applicant would see fit to go to the

01:33:23.360 --> 01:33:25.976
state potentially get greater density

01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:27.736
and a less desirable outcome for the

01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:29.576
community particularly with regards to

01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:31.175
the residential particularly with

01:33:31.199 --> 01:33:33.576
regards to the commercial aspects. Uh

01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:35.736
this proposal of council offices

01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:38.760
actually includes 13,677

01:33:39.040 --> 01:33:40.456
square meters of retail and commercial

01:33:40.480 --> 01:33:43.016
space which is a sorely needed and very

01:33:43.040 --> 01:33:44.536
good thing in Epic Town Center. In fact,

01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:46.695
the entire podium of the building, I

01:33:46.719 --> 01:33:49.016
believe it's three to five stories, is

01:33:49.040 --> 01:33:52.040
said to be comprised of commercial and

01:33:52.080 --> 01:33:53.736
retail aspects also adding to the

01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:55.736
height. But this, I believe, is of

01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:57.096
benefit to the Effing Town Center and

01:33:57.120 --> 01:33:59.496
consistent uh with the ideals we have

01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:01.096
for this precinct. But I need to say

01:34:01.120 --> 01:34:02.615
that I don't come to this decision

01:34:02.639 --> 01:34:05.639
lightly. Of course, I've read the uh

01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:07.816
read and understand the what's been

01:34:07.840 --> 01:34:09.496
raised in the community submissions very

01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:12.520
well with regard to uh traffic outcomes

01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.736
and greater congestion and all those

01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:17.416
things. But again, I go back to the

01:34:17.440 --> 01:34:20.440
point uh uh the question the answer

01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:22.376
provided by Mr. Kona which is there's

01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:24.376
actually no greater residential density

01:34:24.400 --> 01:34:26.376
within this development. Yes, the

01:34:26.400 --> 01:34:27.655
heights are increased, but the heights

01:34:27.679 --> 01:34:29.655
are actually increased to provide a

01:34:29.679 --> 01:34:31.736
better built form outcome for the

01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:33.655
density that exists here. That is to

01:34:33.679 --> 01:34:36.296
say, two slender towers that have

01:34:36.320 --> 01:34:38.215
greater separation between them, allow

01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:41.239
for a plaza at their ground and allow

01:34:42.400 --> 01:34:44.296
for a plaza at their ground and actually

01:34:44.320 --> 01:34:46.215
open green space and views through to

01:34:46.239 --> 01:34:49.239
the park rather than a wall of concrete

01:34:49.280 --> 01:34:50.856
that would be achievable if the height

01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:52.936
was not adjusted and the density was

01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:55.096
applied. So I realize this is not the

01:34:55.120 --> 01:34:56.536
most engaging speech I've ever given,

01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:59.175
but there is very much reasons as to why

01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:00.615
this is the difficult decision and why

01:35:00.639 --> 01:35:03.336
it is. I find myself in the scenario of

01:35:03.360 --> 01:35:04.936
saying that this is I think something I

01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:06.615
will put my hand up in favor of. And

01:35:06.639 --> 01:35:09.496
also it must be noted that also

01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:10.856
consumate with the other item on the

01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:12.856
agenda tonight. Uh that this is

01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:14.615
something of an anchor development for

01:35:14.639 --> 01:35:17.175
Eping Town Center. Nothing has changed

01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:19.096
in this precinct for some 20 years. It's

01:35:19.120 --> 01:35:21.175
derelict. It's dying a slow death as I

01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:24.135
know it. I believe uh that this change

01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:26.376
will actually foster some movement in

01:35:26.400 --> 01:35:29.400
this precinct mixeduse development uh

01:35:29.440 --> 01:35:30.776
because what we don't need is just more

01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:32.456
residential. We do need that commercial

01:35:32.480 --> 01:35:35.480
and retail aspect. This proposal yields

01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:36.856
that. I think that's a good thing for

01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:39.175
the precinct on the whole as I say there

01:35:39.199 --> 01:35:40.615
is no increase in residential density

01:35:40.639 --> 01:35:43.096
but this is a more desirable build form

01:35:43.120 --> 01:35:45.416
outcome. So the concerns raised by

01:35:45.440 --> 01:35:47.896
residents are good and reasonable and

01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:50.856
accurate but they would also be the

01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:52.695
exactly the same concerns raised under

01:35:52.719 --> 01:35:54.776
the current planning controls that exist

01:35:54.800 --> 01:35:56.536
there of which council has not set but

01:35:56.560 --> 01:35:59.175
must work within. So I thank you Lord

01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:00.296
Mayor and I thank you all for listening

01:36:00.320 --> 01:36:01.816
to this speech as I say not the most

01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:03.256
engaging one I've given but very

01:36:03.280 --> 01:36:05.416
important to community because this does

01:36:05.440 --> 01:36:07.576
impact people's daily lives. Thank you

01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:08.936
Lord Mayor.

01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:09.896
Council Isa

01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:11.175
questions Lord May.

01:36:11.199 --> 01:36:12.695
Yes councellor. Is there a problem with

01:36:12.719 --> 01:36:14.215
the timer because that seemed to have

01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:17.239
gone for way too long.

01:36:17.280 --> 01:36:19.175
Um, we just like to hear the deputy law.

01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:21.416
Okay. I've actually only got one

01:36:21.440 --> 01:36:22.695
question through you to the relevant

01:36:22.719 --> 01:36:25.719
officer in the public forum. I may have

01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:29.239
mis heard that next door was three

01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:31.175
stories.

01:36:31.199 --> 01:36:33.016
That's right.

01:36:33.040 --> 01:36:35.816
Is that what the property is zoned?

01:36:35.840 --> 01:36:37.175
My understanding is that's what the

01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:39.416
existing property is, not what's zoned.

01:36:39.440 --> 01:36:42.440
But we'll ask the relevant officer, Mr.

01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:47.655
through you Lord Mayor. Uh reference was

01:36:47.679 --> 01:36:50.296
made to a property at uh on Caringford

01:36:50.320 --> 01:36:52.376
Road which is to the west of the site.

01:36:52.400 --> 01:36:55.095
Um and the existing uh development on

01:36:55.119 --> 01:36:56.936
that adjoining site is two and three

01:36:56.960 --> 01:36:58.615
stories. I cannot tell you I'd have to

01:36:58.639 --> 01:37:00.135
take on notice what the planning

01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:02.376
controls would permit on that site. Um

01:37:02.400 --> 01:37:03.976
but given the nature of that development

01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:05.496
and the history, I think it's likely

01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:06.936
that there's not additional height

01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:09.960
permitted on that site.

01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:14.119
might complicate things.

01:37:14.320 --> 01:37:17.320
So, help me understand this. Are we

01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:20.760
saying there's a 35story building next

01:37:21.040 --> 01:37:24.040
to a two-story building

01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:26.056
through you to the relevant officer? And

01:37:26.080 --> 01:37:29.080
that's the enduring planning control.

01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:32.695
Throw me to Mr. Ca.

01:37:32.719 --> 01:37:34.215
Through you, Lord Mayor. There is a

01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:37.095
creek that runs between the site um and

01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:39.095
the two sites. So there is a bit of a

01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:41.496
buffer but my understanding is that when

01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:43.896
the Eping Town Center mass plan was put

01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.920
in place u from memory in 2014 by the

01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:48.856
department of planning they uh they put

01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:51.496
in place uh significant heights within

01:37:51.520 --> 01:37:53.816
the commercial core um and the adjoining

01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:56.840
site to the west is zoned uh residential

01:37:57.199 --> 01:37:59.256
with or without transition

01:37:59.280 --> 01:37:59.976
through me

01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:00.936
through you sorry

01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:03.576
that's okay

01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:05.256
through you so could I just clarify

01:38:05.280 --> 01:38:07.976
with or without transition from this U

01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:10.215
the what whatever you just called it the

01:38:10.239 --> 01:38:11.655
central was

01:38:11.679 --> 01:38:13.736
the the controls were put in place by

01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:16.056
the department with the trans with well

01:38:16.080 --> 01:38:17.576
without a transition with it with there

01:38:17.600 --> 01:38:19.256
is a significant stepping in height even

01:38:19.280 --> 01:38:21.896
with the existing controls um down to

01:38:21.920 --> 01:38:24.920
the adjoining site to the west

01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:31.000
counc

01:38:32.480 --> 01:38:35.480
uh so I'm actually rising to speak for

01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:38.056
the motion

01:38:38.080 --> 01:38:40.856
Um, but I want to explain why. I think

01:38:40.880 --> 01:38:43.256
we're in the midst of a housing crisis

01:38:43.280 --> 01:38:46.280
and this provides a lots of housing. Um,

01:38:46.320 --> 01:38:49.256
and it's an area that needs renewal. But

01:38:49.280 --> 01:38:52.280
I also find the development completely

01:38:52.320 --> 01:38:54.536
unacceptable. I think putting on an

01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:56.776
extra six stories and just saying, "Oh,

01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:59.336
but it's because it's commercial." Is

01:38:59.360 --> 01:39:02.360
really just a grab by the developers to

01:39:02.400 --> 01:39:04.536
make more money. So, I will be

01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:06.695
supporting this motion, but I hope that

01:39:06.719 --> 01:39:09.016
this council considers much more

01:39:09.040 --> 01:39:12.040
seriously these rapid stepdowns to local

01:39:13.440 --> 01:39:15.016
areas. You know, I've complained about

01:39:15.040 --> 01:39:16.695
them before in the heritage area, and I

01:39:16.719 --> 01:39:19.016
know this isn't a heritage area, but it

01:39:19.040 --> 01:39:21.416
is a beautiful old area with people who

01:39:21.440 --> 01:39:24.135
living in wellestablished homes who love

01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:26.376
their area who are now going to get a

01:39:26.400 --> 01:39:29.400
36story tower. And I'm very sad to see

01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:32.776
that happen.

01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:34.296
All right, Councellors. Uh, with no

01:39:34.320 --> 01:39:35.736
further speakers because it's a planning

01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:36.056
matter.

01:39:36.080 --> 01:39:37.416
I've got another question. All right,

01:39:37.440 --> 01:39:39.655
council through the relevant officer.

01:39:39.679 --> 01:39:42.679
What what can we do as a council to

01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:45.576
ensure there's a transition? Like I

01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:47.175
understand, you know, the different

01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:48.456
perspectives and we've worked with the

01:39:48.480 --> 01:39:51.416
developer and so on and so forth. To the

01:39:51.440 --> 01:39:53.416
gentleman's point, if you live in a

01:39:53.440 --> 01:39:55.816
two-story house next door to a 35story

01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:58.840
tower, you'd be losing your marbles.

01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:02.776
Is there something we can do as a

01:40:02.800 --> 01:40:04.615
council to explore

01:40:04.639 --> 01:40:07.639
a transition that goes from 35 to

01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:09.896
something else? Not to

01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:11.576
is there a separation I guess between

01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:13.655
the the the building

01:40:13.679 --> 01:40:16.536
and the the creek

01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:19.256
can I so can we ask through me to you

01:40:19.280 --> 01:40:22.280
Mr. calling

01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:25.576
through you Lord Mayor um there isn't

01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:28.456
sufficient space to have um a separate

01:40:28.480 --> 01:40:31.336
building to to form a stepping uh

01:40:31.360 --> 01:40:33.655
arrangement as as you've described. What

01:40:33.679 --> 01:40:35.816
we've done in terms of the assessment of

01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:38.056
the urban design is to put try and put

01:40:38.080 --> 01:40:40.856
um the massing of the towers as far away

01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:42.776
um from the adjoining property as

01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:44.856
possible. Um you will see from the plans

01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:47.576
that there is an open space area um to

01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:49.496
the west on on the western part of this

01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:51.736
site and the lower building forms and

01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:54.695
that open space um uh to the west to

01:40:54.719 --> 01:40:56.296
provide that interface and that

01:40:56.320 --> 01:40:57.816
relationship to the adjoining properties

01:40:57.840 --> 01:40:59.816
and the taller buildings and massing

01:40:59.840 --> 01:41:02.135
have been put closer to Rosson Street to

01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:03.736
try and manage that transition as best

01:41:03.760 --> 01:41:04.135
you can.

01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:05.496
Maybe I can ask the question differently

01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:08.520
Lord May. Is there an attempt or an

01:41:08.639 --> 01:41:10.936
opportunity to do some land use planning

01:41:10.960 --> 01:41:13.336
of this precinct

01:41:13.360 --> 01:41:16.360
to establish a transition

01:41:17.280 --> 01:41:18.695
through me too, Mr. Colonial?

01:41:18.719 --> 01:41:20.536
Through you, Lord Mayor. The opportunity

01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:23.560
to do that through a planning process um

01:41:24.400 --> 01:41:26.536
disappeared at the time that the master

01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:27.736
plan was put in by the apartment

01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:29.416
planning by essentially putting in place

01:41:29.440 --> 01:41:31.095
the controls they have at the moment.

01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:33.496
they have established a tall building on

01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:36.520
the subject site. Um uh the the yes this

01:41:37.360 --> 01:41:39.416
planning proposal uh does seek to

01:41:39.440 --> 01:41:40.856
increase that height of that building a

01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:42.376
little bit but we've still got a

01:41:42.400 --> 01:41:44.856
relatively tall building form um that's

01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:47.336
been in the planning controls for some

01:41:47.360 --> 01:41:49.736
time. Um there is no real planning

01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:51.655
process that we could pursue that could

01:41:51.679 --> 01:41:53.095
then suddenly introduce a different

01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:56.119
arrangement.

01:41:56.800 --> 01:41:58.615
All right councils we'll put it to

01:41:58.639 --> 01:41:59.576
without further speakers. We're going to

01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:00.936
put it to a vote because it's a planning

01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:02.376
matter. It'll be a show of hands. So,

01:42:02.400 --> 01:42:04.856
all those in favor, please raise your

01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:07.880
hands.

01:42:14.080 --> 01:42:17.080
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. All those against.

01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:24.600
Motion carried.

01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:28.695
Sorry. Now we've got com 2518 report of

01:42:28.719 --> 01:42:30.296
the planning transport and environment

01:42:30.320 --> 01:42:33.320
committee of 23 June a PTE 2526 public

01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:37.095
exhibition of draft epin town center

01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:39.496
master plan. Can I get a mover and a

01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:42.520
seconder?

01:42:42.639 --> 01:42:45.095
Thank you Lord May

01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:45.816
as well

01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:47.655
seconded

01:42:47.679 --> 01:42:50.135
councellor councellor Chan.

01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:51.416
Thank you Lord May and this as I say

01:42:51.440 --> 01:42:53.655
this does seem to be the night tonight

01:42:53.679 --> 01:42:55.095
for Eping Town Center. There's a great

01:42:55.119 --> 01:42:57.416
deal of discussion. I'm actually quite

01:42:57.440 --> 01:42:59.175
excited this has come before us. This

01:42:59.199 --> 01:43:02.135
has been quite a work in progress.

01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:03.896
Yeah, I agree. I think we should

01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:05.576
probably truncate how long I can talk

01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:08.600
for. Um

01:43:09.199 --> 01:43:11.336
I'll try and keep it brief counselor. I

01:43:11.360 --> 01:43:14.360
will um I'm glad to be standing up Lord

01:43:15.040 --> 01:43:16.856
Mayor removing this motion because uh it

01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:19.880
is a long time coming and u alluded to

01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:22.456
it in the previous about the Rosson

01:43:22.480 --> 01:43:24.296
Street precinct beoff road street

01:43:24.320 --> 01:43:26.936
precinct and how that precinct uh with

01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:29.496
its current planning controls uh has

01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:31.896
sort of sat derelict now for uh for

01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:33.416
about 20 and 30 years there's always

01:43:33.440 --> 01:43:35.736
been expectation of uh some sort of town

01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:37.416
center development here but nothing of

01:43:37.440 --> 01:43:39.095
that has come to fruition and in fact

01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:40.856
what's happened in the meantime is that

01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:42.296
a great deal of properties and former

01:43:42.320 --> 01:43:45.320
shops and the like have just come to be

01:43:46.400 --> 01:43:48.376
uh sites where you know there's weeds

01:43:48.400 --> 01:43:49.816
growing through them all sorts of things

01:43:49.840 --> 01:43:51.336
and then the shops are all closed up and

01:43:51.360 --> 01:43:52.536
boarded up newspapers in the window.

01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:54.215
It's very unedifying and not at all

01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:57.095
befitting a town center uh like that a

01:43:57.119 --> 01:43:59.655
town center and a hub like Eping because

01:43:59.679 --> 01:44:01.576
of course Eping in many ways is the

01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:03.576
eastern gateway to the City of Parramatta

01:44:03.600 --> 01:44:06.135
It has the heavy rail and the metro

01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:07.576
connectivity as well as a bus

01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:10.056
interchange. uh it doesn't unfortunately

01:44:10.080 --> 01:44:11.655
have that direct connectivity to

01:44:11.679 --> 01:44:13.095
Paramata. It's something we need to work

01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:15.655
on. But nonetheless, it is a town center

01:44:15.679 --> 01:44:17.576
with excellent credentials and a very

01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:20.135
large population center. And yet for

01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:23.159
years, it's sat underutilized and has

01:44:23.440 --> 01:44:25.336
come to a state now where quite often

01:44:25.360 --> 01:44:27.016
and council Pamari and Chen have the

01:44:27.040 --> 01:44:28.296
same experience of me on this is that

01:44:28.320 --> 01:44:30.296
residents routinely come to us and

01:44:30.320 --> 01:44:31.655
complain about the state of it because

01:44:31.679 --> 01:44:33.896
they're feeling a lack of suburb pride

01:44:33.920 --> 01:44:35.736
at the way Epingtown Center looks and

01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:37.175
they are yearning for something

01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:39.256
different and some change accordingly.

01:44:39.280 --> 01:44:41.896
Uh tonight's motion uh is to put on

01:44:41.920 --> 01:44:44.296
public exhibition the the concept

01:44:44.320 --> 01:44:46.536
designs and master plan as developed uh

01:44:46.560 --> 01:44:48.776
by council officers for the precinct and

01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:50.615
the raise on detra for this in the

01:44:50.639 --> 01:44:51.896
beginning. It was the product of a

01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:53.416
notice of motion that was brought in the

01:44:53.440 --> 01:44:56.135
last term which was with reference to

01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:57.655
the issue I've raised which was what can

01:44:57.679 --> 01:45:00.456
we as a council do to hopefully engage

01:45:00.480 --> 01:45:02.376
some of the land owners in this precinct

01:45:02.400 --> 01:45:04.536
and to get some movement in this

01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:06.776
precinct. Uh at that time speaking with

01:45:06.800 --> 01:45:08.776
council officers uh Miss Concardo we

01:45:08.800 --> 01:45:10.856
landed on master plan being the best

01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:12.456
opportunity to develop some concept

01:45:12.480 --> 01:45:14.615
plans and hopefully come up with some

01:45:14.639 --> 01:45:16.135
concept designs that would enliven the

01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:17.976
precinct address some of the congestion

01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:19.496
issues some of the structural issues of

01:45:19.520 --> 01:45:21.816
Epingtown center. uh and that's exactly

01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:23.416
what this is and it's quite exciting and

01:45:23.440 --> 01:45:25.095
I'd like to thank all the council

01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:28.119
officers in the uh City design team who

01:45:28.400 --> 01:45:30.135
have put a lot of work into this and

01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:32.376
more than that I encourage the community

01:45:32.400 --> 01:45:34.776
to engage with this public exhibition

01:45:34.800 --> 01:45:37.655
process. Uh you've been very

01:45:37.679 --> 01:45:38.856
you know not been backward about being

01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:40.215
forward up to this point in putting

01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:41.655
forward your views on what should be in

01:45:41.679 --> 01:45:43.736
this master plan and what you would what

01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:45.576
you'd like to see in there. So now that

01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:47.736
it's uh it's finished and it's complete

01:45:47.760 --> 01:45:48.695
uh and it's going to go on public

01:45:48.719 --> 01:45:50.456
exhibition. I really look forward uh to

01:45:50.480 --> 01:45:52.376
the views that you put forward. I think

01:45:52.400 --> 01:45:54.296
it is a big change. There's no doubt

01:45:54.320 --> 01:45:55.336
about it. We're talking here about

01:45:55.360 --> 01:45:58.360
making Rosson Street partially one way,

01:45:58.639 --> 01:46:00.615
changing the traffic routing, making it

01:46:00.639 --> 01:46:02.456
more pedestrianized, moving back

01:46:02.480 --> 01:46:05.175
building setbacks. It is a big change,

01:46:05.199 --> 01:46:07.576
but I think it is long overdue. This

01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:09.576
precinct can do so much better than it

01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:11.816
is. It can be more engaging. Eping's

01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:13.016
great issue is that if you live in

01:46:13.040 --> 01:46:14.856
Eping, you ostensibly go everywhere else

01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:17.175
to do all of your daily life activities.

01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:18.776
And I think if we can garner a town

01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:21.336
center that people can work and shop in

01:46:21.360 --> 01:46:23.736
like other town centers across Sydney,

01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:25.736
that will go a long way to helping with

01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:28.056
some of Eping's congestion issues. So

01:46:28.080 --> 01:46:30.536
encourage you to be involved and provide

01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:32.296
your feedback because this is a long

01:46:32.320 --> 01:46:34.056
time coming and an extraordinary piece

01:46:34.080 --> 01:46:35.736
of work uh put together by council

01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:37.816
officers. Thank you, Lord Mayor.

01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:39.976
Thank you, Deputy. Um we will now put it

01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:41.736
to a vote with the speakers. Again, it's

01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:43.256
a show of hands, a planning matter. So

01:46:43.280 --> 01:46:44.776
all those in favor of the master plan,

01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:47.416
please raise your hands.

01:46:47.440 --> 01:46:50.440
Sorry on going on exhibition. Yes. Okay,

01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:52.936
everyone get sorry everyone full. So

01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:55.416
motion carried unanimously. We'll now

01:46:55.440 --> 01:46:58.440
move back to the original agenda. We've

01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:00.695
now finished all those items.

01:47:00.719 --> 01:47:01.576
Pelari.

01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:03.095
Yes. Can we please get councellor

01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:06.119
Pillamarri back into the room?

01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:22.135
Okay, we have the assets and

01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:23.576
infrastructure report. Can I please call

01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:26.600
on councellor Vjac?

01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:30.615
Apologies. Um I was waiting for

01:47:30.639 --> 01:47:32.936
councellor Pilar to rejoin.

01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:33.976
Thank you.

01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.376
Okay. Thank you, Lord Mayor. Um, I move

01:47:36.400 --> 01:47:39.400
that the recommendations within item COM

01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:42.520
25-16, the report of the assets and

01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:45.175
infrastructure committee meeting held on

01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:48.199
the 16th of January 2025 being for items

01:47:48.800 --> 01:47:51.576
AIC 25-17

01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:54.600
and AIC con 25-11

01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:58.119
as detailed uh be adopted by council.

01:47:58.400 --> 01:48:01.400
Uh, seconded by

01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:04.135
um C as if you'll may. All right. All

01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:07.159
those in favor say I. I. No one against.

01:48:07.360 --> 01:48:09.016
No. Carried unanimously. We'll now move

01:48:09.040 --> 01:48:12.040
on to council proce

01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:14.936
17 report of the CCC meeting held on

01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:16.615
16th June.

01:48:16.639 --> 01:48:18.376
Thank you. Um

01:48:18.400 --> 01:48:20.536
I'll move a that the recommendations

01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:23.560
within uh COOM 2517 the record of the

01:48:24.719 --> 01:48:26.456
customer community and culture committee

01:48:26.480 --> 01:48:29.480
meeting held on the 16th of June 2025

01:48:31.040 --> 01:48:33.095
being for items

01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:35.576
C 2513

01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:38.296
C 2514

01:48:38.320 --> 01:48:41.320
triple C 2515 and triple C 2516

01:48:43.199 --> 01:48:46.199
as detailed below be adopted by council

01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:49.560
and be that item triple C 2517

01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:53.496
be debated and voted on separately.

01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:54.456
Thank you ma'am.

01:48:54.480 --> 01:48:57.016
Thank you. Um council can I get a second

01:48:57.040 --> 01:48:59.896
fourth we going to vote 13 to 16 first

01:48:59.920 --> 01:49:01.496
and then we'll move to 17.

01:49:01.520 --> 01:49:04.520
No I want to take out 15 16 and 17.

01:49:04.639 --> 01:49:07.639
15 16 you want to pull out 15 16 and 17.

01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:11.496
15 16.

01:49:11.520 --> 01:49:13.496
Okay. Do you accept that?

01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:14.776
Is that what council?

01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.016
Yes. 15 16

01:49:17.040 --> 01:49:18.615
and 17. Yeah, those three

01:49:18.639 --> 01:49:20.376
17 is already pulled out.

01:49:20.400 --> 01:49:20.936
15.

01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:23.896
I want to move

01:49:23.920 --> 01:49:25.496
17.

01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:28.135
Okay. So, councellor Pelomar is seconded.

01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:30.056
The motion from council pros if to just

01:49:30.080 --> 01:49:33.080
move 253 2514 in line with the request

01:49:33.600 --> 01:49:36.600
of councellor Pande to uh take out items

01:49:36.639 --> 01:49:38.615
15 16.

01:49:38.639 --> 01:49:40.135
Happy with that? All right. Council. So,

01:49:40.159 --> 01:49:41.576
we'll put to a vote the minute. So,

01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:42.776
essentially we vote on the minutes of

01:49:42.800 --> 01:49:45.416
the subcommittees. All those in favor?

01:49:45.440 --> 01:49:46.456
I.

01:49:46.480 --> 01:49:48.135
Everyone against.

01:49:48.159 --> 01:49:51.159
The minutes.

01:49:51.440 --> 01:49:52.296
What?

01:49:52.320 --> 01:49:54.456
Okay, cool. Noted. Everyone voted for

01:49:54.480 --> 01:49:57.480
against. Sorry. Four. It says 134, one

01:49:57.520 --> 01:49:58.936
against with councellor Isa voting

01:49:58.960 --> 01:50:00.695
against the minutes.

01:50:00.719 --> 01:50:01.095
Really

01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:03.336
against both the minutes. Okay. We'll

01:50:03.360 --> 01:50:06.360
now move to item 2515.

01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:08.536
Who would like to move that?

01:50:08.560 --> 01:50:11.560
Um, I'll move it. Lord me. I can't.

01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:14.760
Okay. Council Proy um seconded.

01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:17.095
Who's going to second it?

01:50:17.119 --> 01:50:19.095
I'm happy to second council pande. All

01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:20.215
right. Well, councellor Panda, you can go

01:50:20.239 --> 01:50:22.856
ahead with um 2515.

01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:25.016
Thank you, Lord. Ro, something reminds

01:50:25.040 --> 01:50:28.040
me which has been raised before in this

01:50:28.320 --> 01:50:31.320
chamber and through CEO. Um we

01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:35.095
on a number of occasions have asked that

01:50:35.119 --> 01:50:37.175
the acknowledgement

01:50:37.199 --> 01:50:39.416
part of the agreement that we have with

01:50:39.440 --> 01:50:41.896
uh with the recipients of these grants

01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:44.920
that we put some more words around

01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:47.095
acknowledgement of council how council

01:50:47.119 --> 01:50:50.119
is acknowledged for contribution and the

01:50:50.400 --> 01:50:53.095
grants. Can I get some advice on if that

01:50:53.119 --> 01:50:56.119
has changed?

01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:59.800
Yes, council through me to the CEO.

01:51:00.639 --> 01:51:02.456
Uh through you Lord Mayor. Yes. Uh

01:51:02.480 --> 01:51:05.336
councellor Pande is correct. Um in the

01:51:05.360 --> 01:51:07.736
past it was considered that uh the terms

01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:09.496
and conditions of the awarding of the

01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:11.016
grants didn't acknowledge council's

01:51:11.040 --> 01:51:13.576
role. So we significantly upgraded the

01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:16.056
recognition that council is required uh

01:51:16.080 --> 01:51:18.296
to receive as part of the awarding of

01:51:18.320 --> 01:51:20.376
the grants including the display of

01:51:20.400 --> 01:51:22.456
council's logo etc etc. So the

01:51:22.480 --> 01:51:24.856
acknowledgement the council receives uh

01:51:24.880 --> 01:51:26.776
under the current guidelines is

01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:29.095
significantly improved over what it used

01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:30.456
to be.

01:51:30.480 --> 01:51:33.480
So can I ask that by end of this week by

01:51:34.400 --> 01:51:36.376
Friday a copy of that be sent to all the

01:51:36.400 --> 01:51:39.095
counselors?

01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:40.215
That's on notice.

01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:40.936
Yes.

01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:42.856
Second on notice. Yes.

01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:44.936
Okay. With no further speakers, I'll put

01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:46.936
the motion. All those in favor I. Anyone

01:51:46.960 --> 01:51:48.856
against? No. Carried unanimously. I'll

01:51:48.880 --> 01:51:51.095
now move to 25-16. Can I have a move and

01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:52.215
a second?

01:51:52.239 --> 01:51:55.239
Uh move to second P. Let's go ahead

01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:57.416
with some questions. Thank you Lord May.

01:51:57.440 --> 01:51:59.095
The first question is that in the

01:51:59.119 --> 01:52:02.119
previous term of council we have had

01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:05.736
councellors consulted on a norm that they

01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:08.215
have moved before a report came to any

01:52:08.239 --> 01:52:10.215
committee or council. Has that stopped

01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:13.095
now?

01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:15.575
So the question between me and the CEO

01:52:15.599 --> 01:52:18.376
is that when a council has moved a nom

01:52:18.400 --> 01:52:20.536
prior to the report being published or

01:52:20.560 --> 01:52:23.256
put to council that the relevant staff

01:52:23.280 --> 01:52:24.695
member would speak to the mover of the

01:52:24.719 --> 01:52:27.719
nom. Has that process changed?

01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:31.655
Yes.

01:52:31.679 --> 01:52:33.736
Uh through you Lord Mayor that service

01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:35.736
is always available by the executive

01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:37.736
directors and as far as I'm aware that

01:52:37.760 --> 01:52:39.976
service hasn't changed. Um it is on a

01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:41.896
case-by case basis. Some counselors

01:52:41.920 --> 01:52:44.376
don't engage in discussions with the

01:52:44.400 --> 01:52:46.536
counselor who's drafting the motion. I

01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:49.560
think that was the question.

01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:53.736
Can I reiterate that that is not a

01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:55.976
service that counselor should be should

01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:57.736
contact the staff the staff should come

01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:00.695
to the counselor with an update prior to

01:53:00.719 --> 01:53:02.695
that getting published on the report. So

01:53:02.719 --> 01:53:04.376
if I can make that uh request through

01:53:04.400 --> 01:53:06.856
you Lord Mayor that all the norms that

01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:08.536
uh counselors have and if the counselors

01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:10.615
do not want to be engaged in the outcome

01:53:10.639 --> 01:53:13.175
and report that's absolutely fine but it

01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:16.199
it has been a normal practice that uh um

01:53:16.320 --> 01:53:19.320
prior to the report

01:53:19.599 --> 01:53:21.575
um accounts should be consulted to make

01:53:21.599 --> 01:53:23.496
sure that they have got the report right

01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:25.575
to make sure the scope is covered to

01:53:25.599 --> 01:53:27.575
make sure that the intent of the norm

01:53:27.599 --> 01:53:29.336
has been actioned and addressed through

01:53:29.360 --> 01:53:31.175
the report. So not that that's something

01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:33.175
which we should um make sure that

01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:36.199
happens in future. Um

01:53:37.360 --> 01:53:40.215
can I also ask what's the cost of a

01:53:40.239 --> 01:53:43.239
plaque?

01:53:44.159 --> 01:53:46.936
Yep. Three me to

01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:49.336
who's the

01:53:49.360 --> 01:53:52.056
Mr. M

01:53:52.080 --> 01:53:54.695
or Mr. M. Jones BL.

01:53:54.719 --> 01:53:56.456
Uh through you Lord May. My apologies.

01:53:56.480 --> 01:53:58.936
I'd have to take that on notice. Um but

01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:01.655
it's a program that is run um not by

01:54:01.679 --> 01:54:04.679
council but by uh the body that is

01:54:05.199 --> 01:54:07.095
referred to in the report. Does Angela

01:54:07.119 --> 01:54:10.119
maybe know

01:54:10.480 --> 01:54:13.480
Miss Jonesy? Do you know or do you is it

01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:15.896
take on notice? Is that fine? Okay. So

01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:17.175
we don't have a reply council.

01:54:17.199 --> 01:54:18.856
So thank you Lord May. I'm happy for

01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:20.776
that to be taken on notice but can I the

01:54:20.800 --> 01:54:22.615
point is that we can't be relying on

01:54:22.639 --> 01:54:24.536
state government for this all the time

01:54:24.560 --> 01:54:26.215
and that's why we need to know the cost.

01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:28.456
So if the cost is not provitative, we

01:54:28.480 --> 01:54:30.615
should be doing this ourself having the

01:54:30.639 --> 01:54:31.976
recognition through the plaque instead

01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:33.575
of relying on the grant from state

01:54:33.599 --> 01:54:36.599
government. Um so that's um uh if again

01:54:36.639 --> 01:54:38.615
a response can come back by the next

01:54:38.639 --> 01:54:41.016
meeting um we can make a decision

01:54:41.040 --> 01:54:43.336
whether we should be investing

01:54:43.360 --> 01:54:45.016
towards some of these plaques and not

01:54:45.040 --> 01:54:47.095
relying on the state government uh

01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:49.336
government's program. Lord May,

01:54:49.360 --> 01:54:51.336
thanks councellor. Can I just reiterate I

01:54:51.360 --> 01:54:53.496
guess to the CEO and the staff that

01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:54.936
going forward I agree with what

01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:56.695
councellor Pande said that if a counselor

01:54:56.719 --> 01:54:59.719
moves a nom seeking a report or

01:55:00.560 --> 01:55:03.175
investigation or whatever it may be that

01:55:03.199 --> 01:55:06.135
the staff do please reach out to the

01:55:06.159 --> 01:55:08.695
originator of that nom just to make sure

01:55:08.719 --> 01:55:11.719
that the reply is in satisfaction of the

01:55:13.040 --> 01:55:15.575
intention behind the nom. I understand

01:55:15.599 --> 01:55:18.376
that the council staff are replying to a

01:55:18.400 --> 01:55:20.936
motion of the of the the chamber, but I

01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:23.575
think it's been prior practice that the

01:55:23.599 --> 01:55:26.599
mover of that nom does get um a look

01:55:27.360 --> 01:55:28.695
into it to make sure that everything's

01:55:28.719 --> 01:55:30.776
been covered that they were asking.

01:55:30.800 --> 01:55:32.936
Thank you, Lord M. So if we again if

01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:34.695
that can come and we can then make a

01:55:34.719 --> 01:55:36.695
decision and this again it becomes

01:55:36.719 --> 01:55:39.095
iterative process which delays the whole

01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:42.119
project. Um but um we should be thinking

01:55:42.639 --> 01:55:45.016
outside the box sometimes when it comes

01:55:45.040 --> 01:55:46.936
to something like this. Lord M I'm happy

01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:49.960
to leave it there. Thank you.

01:55:50.400 --> 01:55:52.856
Um councils with no further speak

01:55:52.880 --> 01:55:55.336
council pro you want to speak.

01:55:55.360 --> 01:55:56.936
So it was moved council pro to second

01:55:56.960 --> 01:55:59.960
council pending. So all those in favor I

01:56:00.239 --> 01:56:03.239
anyone against? No. Carried unanimously.

01:56:03.360 --> 01:56:05.816
We'll now move to 25-17.

01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:07.016
I believe there's an amendment going to

01:56:07.040 --> 01:56:09.175
be moved by councellor pro. Thank you,

01:56:09.199 --> 01:56:11.336
Lord Mayor. Um, I wish to move an

01:56:11.360 --> 01:56:13.655
amendment that uh reinstates the

01:56:13.679 --> 01:56:16.679
original recommendation uh from the um

01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:20.056
business paper of the 16th of June.

01:56:20.080 --> 01:56:23.080
Council staff have it. Um

01:56:24.239 --> 01:56:26.215
so the purpose of uh the original

01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:28.056
recommendation was to seek council

01:56:28.080 --> 01:56:31.080
endorsement for the public exhibition of

01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:33.016
a

01:56:33.040 --> 01:56:36.040
vertical sculpture treatment for the

01:56:36.080 --> 01:56:39.080
Harris Park precinct cultural precinct.

01:56:39.360 --> 01:56:41.496
The recommendation is that council

01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:44.296
endorses a vertical sculpture

01:56:44.320 --> 01:56:46.536
vertical sculpture welcome treatment

01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:48.695
design concept

01:56:48.719 --> 01:56:51.719
created by artist Abdullah Im with head

01:56:52.719 --> 01:56:55.175
contractor IAP Australia Proprietary

01:56:55.199 --> 01:56:58.199
Limited for further design development.

01:56:58.239 --> 01:57:00.215
B, that council approves a vertical

01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:02.135
sculpture welcome treatment designed for

01:57:02.159 --> 01:57:03.976
public exhibition.

01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:05.496
And

01:57:05.520 --> 01:57:08.520
C, that public exhibition additional

01:57:08.800 --> 01:57:10.776
design development incorporating

01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:13.416
community feedback be undertaken and

01:57:13.440 --> 01:57:15.575
counselors be provided with project

01:57:15.599 --> 01:57:18.536
updates by word board briefings and

01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:21.560
councellor briefings notes.

01:57:21.599 --> 01:57:23.416
The background of this Lord mayor is the

01:57:23.440 --> 01:57:25.016
council received a $ three and a half

01:57:25.040 --> 01:57:26.615
million dollars in grant funding from

01:57:26.639 --> 01:57:28.695
the department of infrastructure

01:57:28.719 --> 01:57:30.376
transport regional development

01:57:30.400 --> 01:57:33.016
communications and the arts to develop

01:57:33.040 --> 01:57:35.736
the Harris Park cultural precinct as a

01:57:35.760 --> 01:57:37.655
tourism hub celebrating Australia's

01:57:37.679 --> 01:57:40.456
southeastern communities. The grant

01:57:40.480 --> 01:57:42.936
project scope scope includes improved

01:57:42.960 --> 01:57:44.856
lighting and beautifification works to

01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:47.880
enhance safety and accessibility. To

01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:49.896
fulfill the grant obligations, an

01:57:49.920 --> 01:57:51.736
expression of interest process was

01:57:51.760 --> 01:57:54.536
conducted to engage an artist to develop

01:57:54.560 --> 01:57:57.256
welcome treatment for Harris Park. The

01:57:57.280 --> 01:58:00.215
artist brief was to place was based on

01:58:00.239 --> 01:58:03.175
the wording of a of a plaque

01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:05.416
commemorating the visit of Prime

01:58:05.440 --> 01:58:08.440
Minister Modi and Alanesi talking about

01:58:08.560 --> 01:58:11.560
the Little India Gateway. The design and

01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:13.736
placement were developed in accordance

01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:15.256
with the Harris Park Heritage

01:58:15.280 --> 01:58:18.280
Conservation Area, overhead and

01:58:18.320 --> 01:58:20.936
underground services and clearances for

01:58:20.960 --> 01:58:23.896
structures within the road corridor.

01:58:23.920 --> 01:58:25.736
Design development was guided by an

01:58:25.760 --> 01:58:28.760
expert panel. Subject matter experts and

01:58:29.040 --> 01:58:31.575
local community stakeholders. There were

01:58:31.599 --> 01:58:34.599
three design options Lord Mayor and

01:58:34.719 --> 01:58:36.856
Councellors uh looked at the three of

01:58:36.880 --> 01:58:38.695
them and there was general consensus

01:58:38.719 --> 01:58:41.719
that the vertical treatment was probably

01:58:42.239 --> 01:58:45.239
the most appropriate.

01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:48.376
Lloyd Mayor public art has the capaCity

01:58:48.400 --> 01:58:50.376
to build on and reflect the past while

01:58:50.400 --> 01:58:52.936
providing a space for commentary and the

01:58:52.960 --> 01:58:55.816
gateway art gateway artwork designed for

01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:58.840
Harris Park's Little India is based on a

01:58:58.880 --> 01:59:01.816
gateway concept represented by a

01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:03.896
vertical sculpture pillar symbolizing

01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:06.920
the four elements rather than an arch as

01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:09.896
some expected.

01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:11.976
Approved by Rose who award counselors,

01:59:12.000 --> 01:59:14.536
the design aims to respectfully reflect

01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:16.376
the cultural history and diverse

01:59:16.400 --> 01:59:19.175
communities who have contributed to the

01:59:19.199 --> 01:59:22.135
area's economic growth. The artwork

01:59:22.159 --> 01:59:24.296
going on public exhibition for community

01:59:24.320 --> 01:59:27.175
consultation is a visual narrative that

01:59:27.199 --> 01:59:29.336
honors the spirit and stories of Harris

01:59:29.360 --> 01:59:31.816
Park and the final design has the

01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:34.695
capaCity to articulate the spirit of

01:59:34.719 --> 01:59:37.719
place. Thank you,

01:59:39.199 --> 01:59:42.199
Council Pande.

01:59:43.040 --> 01:59:46.040
Thank you, Lord M. Um

01:59:49.040 --> 01:59:51.976
so

01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:53.655
I have some questions and comments which

01:59:53.679 --> 01:59:55.816
I'll make but um I just want to make the

01:59:55.840 --> 01:59:58.296
point to admit that this has come to a

01:59:58.320 --> 02:00:01.320
point this has sort of taken a

02:00:01.520 --> 02:00:03.896
journey and path which was not intended

02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:06.920
when we started this project. Um the

02:00:08.960 --> 02:00:11.816
if you look at paragraph three of this

02:00:11.840 --> 02:00:14.840
report page 69 it says that counters

02:00:15.679 --> 02:00:17.256
council endorsed that we enter into

02:00:17.280 --> 02:00:20.280
negotiations with so and so um for

02:00:22.639 --> 02:00:25.496
design iterations of Harris Park welcome

02:00:25.520 --> 02:00:27.736
gate

02:00:27.760 --> 02:00:29.416
form.

02:00:29.440 --> 02:00:32.440
It talks about a gate,

02:00:32.560 --> 02:00:35.560
not a standing sculpture, which is what

02:00:35.760 --> 02:00:38.456
is being presented to us

02:00:38.480 --> 02:00:40.856
in the last few months. I'm also

02:00:40.880 --> 02:00:43.016
disappointed

02:00:43.040 --> 02:00:45.816
with the amount of consultation with

02:00:45.840 --> 02:00:47.336
Councellors

02:00:47.360 --> 02:00:50.360
on this whole process in the past

02:00:51.199 --> 02:00:53.095
in this term of council. In the past, it

02:00:53.119 --> 02:00:55.655
has been a very uh collaborative and

02:00:55.679 --> 02:00:58.679
iterative pro process. This is not just

02:00:59.119 --> 02:01:01.896
a Rose Hill Ward counselor's project.

02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:03.816
This is a City of Parramatta Council

02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:05.655
project.

02:01:05.679 --> 02:01:07.896
It is our opportunity to put Harris Park

02:01:07.920 --> 02:01:09.736
on the map

02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:12.760
and ensure that we get the best cultural

02:01:12.960 --> 02:01:15.960
and economical value out of Harris Park

02:01:16.159 --> 02:01:19.159
which is Little India Present.

02:01:20.719 --> 02:01:23.575
Can I ask Lord May through you what's

02:01:23.599 --> 02:01:26.599
the economy worth in Harris Park? Do we

02:01:26.800 --> 02:01:29.800
have some numbers?

02:01:30.080 --> 02:01:32.215
I need someone to uh answer the question

02:01:32.239 --> 02:01:34.135
of what is the economy

02:01:34.159 --> 02:01:34.776
econ

02:01:34.800 --> 02:01:36.296
or the economic the gross domestic

02:01:36.320 --> 02:01:37.575
product I guess or the

02:01:37.599 --> 02:01:39.175
Harris Park economic activity that

02:01:39.199 --> 02:01:40.936
do we have some numbers on our

02:01:40.960 --> 02:01:43.256
do we have any numbers on Harris Park I

02:01:43.280 --> 02:01:44.695
know what they are paramatter but I

02:01:44.719 --> 02:01:47.336
don't have Harris Park on me I see her

02:01:47.360 --> 02:01:48.615
telling me she'll take it on notice.

02:01:48.639 --> 02:01:50.536
Thank you Lord May. So Lord May, Harris

02:01:50.560 --> 02:01:53.496
Park complements what the CBD does for

02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:56.135
our economy and I think we should be

02:01:56.159 --> 02:01:59.159
looking at Harris Park as a future,

02:02:01.280 --> 02:02:04.280
you know, a mini City sort of in terms

02:02:04.480 --> 02:02:07.016
of economy, in terms of cultural visits,

02:02:07.040 --> 02:02:09.816
in terms of making it a destination. I

02:02:09.840 --> 02:02:11.575
think we have a good combination of

02:02:11.599 --> 02:02:13.256
historical

02:02:13.280 --> 02:02:15.016
places in Harris Park. We have the

02:02:15.040 --> 02:02:16.456
cultural facility, we have the

02:02:16.480 --> 02:02:18.695
businesses. I think we are missing on a

02:02:18.719 --> 02:02:21.719
huge opportunity to capitalize on on

02:02:22.080 --> 02:02:25.080
various aspects of Harrispa. Um Lord

02:02:25.440 --> 02:02:28.440
Mayor I also feel that um

02:02:35.679 --> 02:02:38.615
that um we're not again reaching the

02:02:38.639 --> 02:02:40.936
potential um and that was my that I was

02:02:40.960 --> 02:02:42.456
going to ask a question to the relevant

02:02:42.480 --> 02:02:45.480
staff um Lord Mayor that

02:02:47.920 --> 02:02:49.496
Do we think that we are reaching the

02:02:49.520 --> 02:02:52.376
potential in Harris Park?

02:02:52.400 --> 02:02:54.856
Do we think that we are reaching the

02:02:54.880 --> 02:02:56.376
potential and I know this matter is not

02:02:56.400 --> 02:02:59.400
to do with CBD but in our CBD as well.

02:03:01.760 --> 02:03:04.695
On Friday night, these places should be

02:03:04.719 --> 02:03:06.695
thriving.

02:03:06.719 --> 02:03:08.856
I passed through the CBD on Friday night

02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:11.880
and it was dead.

02:03:12.719 --> 02:03:14.695
We need to make sure that we get value

02:03:14.719 --> 02:03:16.856
for this investment on not just put a

02:03:16.880 --> 02:03:18.695
sculpture standing sculpture which will

02:03:18.719 --> 02:03:21.719
mean almost it's symbolic.

02:03:22.960 --> 02:03:25.575
It's not going to bring crowd. It's not

02:03:25.599 --> 02:03:27.575
going to make this place a destination

02:03:27.599 --> 02:03:30.056
which is our original objective which is

02:03:30.080 --> 02:03:32.296
our aspiration in Harris Park that we

02:03:32.320 --> 02:03:34.456
make this a destination that if someone

02:03:34.480 --> 02:03:37.480
is coming to the airport a new airport

02:03:38.480 --> 02:03:40.936
the existing airport that Harris Park

02:03:40.960 --> 02:03:43.416
little India becomes a destination

02:03:43.440 --> 02:03:45.016
and I don't think this will achieve that

02:03:45.040 --> 02:03:48.040
and I understand the cost constraints

02:03:50.880 --> 02:03:53.175
I understand the cost constraints but if

02:03:53.199 --> 02:03:55.416
we can find money for other things that

02:03:55.440 --> 02:03:58.056
we want to do in the scheme of what we

02:03:58.080 --> 02:04:00.615
do that investment is nothing but it's

02:04:00.639 --> 02:04:02.936
also very very worthwhile in Harris

02:04:02.960 --> 02:04:05.960
Park. So Lord may there is um

02:04:06.880 --> 02:04:09.336
as I said I'm not

02:04:09.360 --> 02:04:11.175
um but I also know that there is a

02:04:11.199 --> 02:04:13.095
number of councils who are supportive of

02:04:13.119 --> 02:04:16.119
the report um and it might just go ahead

02:04:16.400 --> 02:04:18.936
um and if it does uh I would ask that uh

02:04:18.960 --> 02:04:21.016
every single businesses be given a flyer

02:04:21.040 --> 02:04:24.040
with a QR code to participate in the

02:04:24.080 --> 02:04:27.080
consultation. Again just in the last

02:04:27.199 --> 02:04:29.336
previous uh one of the reports we have

02:04:29.360 --> 02:04:32.360
had option for the community. We had the

02:04:32.400 --> 02:04:34.936
option for the community to decide which

02:04:34.960 --> 02:04:37.816
options we want. Why not in this case we

02:04:37.840 --> 02:04:40.296
have options

02:04:40.320 --> 02:04:43.175
and let the community decide. We did the

02:04:43.199 --> 02:04:44.776
same thing for gas. We did the same

02:04:44.800 --> 02:04:47.575
thing for number of other reports. Why

02:04:47.599 --> 02:04:50.599
are we in this case just putting one

02:04:50.719 --> 02:04:53.719
option

02:04:54.239 --> 02:04:57.239
for the community to decide? So I think

02:04:58.239 --> 02:05:00.296
we got elected to make decisions council

02:05:00.320 --> 02:05:01.655
but we have been elected to make

02:05:01.679 --> 02:05:03.175
decisions on other options which has

02:05:03.199 --> 02:05:04.856
been the table to us as well

02:05:04.880 --> 02:05:06.936
and we are saying these are the options

02:05:06.960 --> 02:05:07.736
you choose one

02:05:07.760 --> 02:05:09.256
do you want to move an amendment

02:05:09.280 --> 02:05:11.575
um I'll see how the discussions goes but

02:05:11.599 --> 02:05:13.496
as I said at this stage it is

02:05:13.520 --> 02:05:14.776
disappointing that we are not getting

02:05:14.800 --> 02:05:17.496
the best out of our investment in my

02:05:17.520 --> 02:05:19.496
view it is also disappointing that we

02:05:19.520 --> 02:05:22.296
are at a stage where we have taken a bit

02:05:22.320 --> 02:05:24.376
different journey and direction than

02:05:24.400 --> 02:05:26.296
what was intended in this chamber of

02:05:26.320 --> 02:05:28.296
council. I understand that some of the

02:05:28.320 --> 02:05:30.135
councils are new. I understand that we

02:05:30.159 --> 02:05:33.159
have been 9 months in this term but the

02:05:33.280 --> 02:05:34.615
previous discussions have been totally

02:05:34.639 --> 02:05:36.056
different than where we are today.

02:05:36.080 --> 02:05:37.736
I'm happy to second an amendment. Um

02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:40.760
councellor if you wish to move on.

02:05:41.599 --> 02:05:43.336
I think councellor Pillamarri might have

02:05:43.360 --> 02:05:43.655
something.

02:05:43.679 --> 02:05:44.695
Okay. councellor Pomar.

02:05:44.719 --> 02:05:47.719
I'll wait for the discussion sl again.

02:05:48.080 --> 02:05:51.080
Thank you Lord beer and um

02:05:51.520 --> 02:05:54.456
thank you um our uh standing committee

02:05:54.480 --> 02:05:57.016
chair uh who understands the importance

02:05:57.040 --> 02:05:59.896
of multiculturalism and uh I'm happy

02:05:59.920 --> 02:06:02.135
that she comes from the same board and

02:06:02.159 --> 02:06:05.159
um City of parameter means we are 15

02:06:05.280 --> 02:06:07.016
though we are a new counselors we still

02:06:07.040 --> 02:06:09.736
understand basic English of how it works

02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:12.215
so we understand the depth of the

02:06:12.239 --> 02:06:13.976
problems so we are no more a new

02:06:14.000 --> 02:06:15.736
counselors because it's already a year

02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:17.256
now we're going for the next Christmas

02:06:17.280 --> 02:06:18.536
party as well. The date has been

02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:21.416
decided. So,

02:06:21.440 --> 02:06:24.440
so coming back to the main issue of what

02:06:24.960 --> 02:06:27.016
we had in the standing committee was we

02:06:27.040 --> 02:06:29.896
requested the chair to move all the

02:06:29.920 --> 02:06:32.920
three options for a fair go because in

02:06:33.599 --> 02:06:36.599
the in the other motion the same council

02:06:36.719 --> 02:06:39.496
was talking about a fair go on having

02:06:39.520 --> 02:06:41.416
gas and electriCity and let the people

02:06:41.440 --> 02:06:44.440
decide. Similarly, even here we got to

02:06:44.560 --> 02:06:46.695
give options because we have been

02:06:46.719 --> 02:06:49.095
elected as councellor Isa said we all

02:06:49.119 --> 02:06:50.536
have been elected and we have to work

02:06:50.560 --> 02:06:52.536
together and that's exactly where there

02:06:52.560 --> 02:06:54.936
are businesses who need that option and

02:06:54.960 --> 02:06:57.960
this this this idea and the way it has

02:06:58.560 --> 02:07:00.856
come out is not from liberal side it has

02:07:00.880 --> 02:07:02.536
come from the labor side itself and we

02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:04.615
are still supporting it that shows how

02:07:04.639 --> 02:07:06.456
cohesively we work that's what

02:07:06.480 --> 02:07:08.776
multiculturalism brings in and I

02:07:08.800 --> 02:07:11.256
appreciate if all the three options have

02:07:11.280 --> 02:07:12.135
been taken

02:07:12.159 --> 02:07:14.776
given a consideration and passed on for

02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:16.776
the community to decide on what they

02:07:16.800 --> 02:07:18.536
want rather than saying you have one

02:07:18.560 --> 02:07:20.776
take it or leave it.

02:07:20.800 --> 02:07:22.695
Thank you. And that's what it is. And by

02:07:22.719 --> 02:07:23.896
the way, I don't want to go for the

02:07:23.920 --> 02:07:26.055
amendment, the original motion what it

02:07:26.079 --> 02:07:27.976
was there. If it's there, give all the

02:07:28.000 --> 02:07:31.000
three options. Let let there be a fair

02:07:31.119 --> 02:07:33.655
go on that and then let the community

02:07:33.679 --> 02:07:36.679
decide on that. That's all I request.

02:07:36.880 --> 02:07:38.135
Thank you.

02:07:38.159 --> 02:07:40.856
So councellor, are you then going to move

02:07:40.880 --> 02:07:42.296
an amendment?

02:07:42.320 --> 02:07:43.896
You've spoken

02:07:43.920 --> 02:07:45.655
to the original motion.

02:07:45.679 --> 02:07:47.496
Is there going to be

02:07:47.520 --> 02:07:50.055
an amendment?

02:07:50.079 --> 02:07:52.856
No, your your motion. You've moved a

02:07:52.880 --> 02:07:53.976
motion.

02:07:54.000 --> 02:07:56.776
So we would seek who actually sorry

02:07:56.800 --> 02:07:59.256
councellor Isa seconded that motion. So

02:07:59.280 --> 02:08:01.976
we now will need an amendment if someone

02:08:02.000 --> 02:08:03.575
wants to move something different to

02:08:03.599 --> 02:08:06.536
what's been moved.

02:08:06.560 --> 02:08:07.976
Lord Mayor, I would like to have an

02:08:08.000 --> 02:08:09.655
amendment saying that all the three

02:08:09.679 --> 02:08:12.135
options should be given to the community

02:08:12.159 --> 02:08:13.256
to decide on what

02:08:13.280 --> 02:08:14.456
you'd like to move the office's

02:08:14.480 --> 02:08:15.095
recommendation.

02:08:15.119 --> 02:08:18.119
That's right.

02:08:19.440 --> 02:08:20.456
That's a subcommittee.

02:08:20.480 --> 02:08:23.480
Subcommittee's recommendation.

02:08:24.239 --> 02:08:25.736
So that's that's the officer's

02:08:25.760 --> 02:08:26.695
recommendation.

02:08:26.719 --> 02:08:28.296
Can I just clarify that?

02:08:28.320 --> 02:08:30.296
Yeah. So I think what councellor Pony is

02:08:30.320 --> 02:08:32.055
saying is that the committee recommended

02:08:32.079 --> 02:08:35.016
for clarity the committee the CCC

02:08:35.040 --> 02:08:37.816
committee recommended um that all the

02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:40.536
three options be tabled

02:08:40.560 --> 02:08:42.536
that all the three options go to public

02:08:42.560 --> 02:08:43.575
exhibition

02:08:43.599 --> 02:08:46.456
whereas the amendment tonight is for one

02:08:46.480 --> 02:08:48.536
option but Lord can I just ask one

02:08:48.560 --> 02:08:49.896
question and one comment make one

02:08:49.920 --> 02:08:51.736
comment

02:08:51.760 --> 02:08:54.055
question yes you already spoken yes

02:08:54.079 --> 02:08:56.695
so we have heard that there is concerns

02:08:56.719 --> 02:08:59.655
on the gate from it might have been from

02:08:59.679 --> 02:09:01.175
local business or local some

02:09:01.199 --> 02:09:04.199
organization is that in writing

02:09:05.440 --> 02:09:08.440
um through me to the relevant officer

02:09:10.960 --> 02:09:13.960
through I'll ask Mr. James

02:09:16.639 --> 02:09:19.575
through you lord mayor. Um no so we

02:09:19.599 --> 02:09:22.599
don't have any response in writing from

02:09:22.719 --> 02:09:24.936
residents. The concerns around the

02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:27.896
original archway were due due to site

02:09:27.920 --> 02:09:30.215
constraints. So it was the power the

02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:32.536
water and the overall cost of that

02:09:32.560 --> 02:09:34.856
design.

02:09:34.880 --> 02:09:37.655
Thank you. Um Lord may the design that

02:09:37.679 --> 02:09:39.256
has been presented in the p in the

02:09:39.280 --> 02:09:42.280
business paper

02:09:43.280 --> 02:09:46.280
the lights on the top

02:09:46.400 --> 02:09:48.936
why is that not a constraint if the gate

02:09:48.960 --> 02:09:50.615
is a constraint because it's still

02:09:50.639 --> 02:09:53.575
impacts on the height so the design

02:09:53.599 --> 02:09:55.016
which is and I'm talking about this one

02:09:55.040 --> 02:09:57.575
not which is here so it doesn't make

02:09:57.599 --> 02:09:59.175
sense to me and it doesn't make sense

02:09:59.199 --> 02:10:01.896
that it's been verbal and because of I

02:10:01.920 --> 02:10:03.175
don't know where we have picked up on

02:10:03.199 --> 02:10:05.496
this that we have not proceeded with the

02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:08.520
option of gate. So um so that's one

02:10:09.360 --> 02:10:11.175
question lord may the second the comment

02:10:11.199 --> 02:10:14.199
I would also like to make is paragraph 8

02:10:15.520 --> 02:10:17.416
talks about

02:10:17.440 --> 02:10:19.496
workshop and the you know the direction

02:10:19.520 --> 02:10:21.175
that we have taken in the workshop and

02:10:21.199 --> 02:10:24.199
so on are workshops not so confidential

02:10:24.960 --> 02:10:27.016
why is it that when we have when we it's

02:10:27.040 --> 02:10:30.040
convenient we talk about what has

02:10:30.079 --> 02:10:32.135
happened in a workshop and when it's not

02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:33.655
convenient it becomes a confidential

02:10:33.679 --> 02:10:35.896
session. What are we talking about?

02:10:35.920 --> 02:10:37.336
Ask the question. Sorry if it's already

02:10:37.360 --> 02:10:40.055
spoken unless

02:10:40.079 --> 02:10:41.095
well if we're going to move amendment

02:10:41.119 --> 02:10:42.456
then you can speak for the amendment if

02:10:42.480 --> 02:10:45.175
you wish. So you seconding the

02:10:45.199 --> 02:10:46.936
amendment.

02:10:46.960 --> 02:10:48.456
I'm supporting the original motion which

02:10:48.480 --> 02:10:49.736
is from the committee.

02:10:49.760 --> 02:10:51.095
Correct. So that's before the screen. So

02:10:51.119 --> 02:10:53.256
an amendment's been now moved. Are you

02:10:53.280 --> 02:10:54.536
seconding it?

02:10:54.560 --> 02:10:56.296
So moved. Councellor Pillamarri. Second

02:10:56.320 --> 02:10:59.320
council Pande. Cool. councellor Pillamarri.

02:10:59.360 --> 02:11:00.856
Do you want to speak for the amendment?

02:11:00.880 --> 02:11:03.496
I did lord Mayor and um I would request

02:11:03.520 --> 02:11:05.976
all the counselors to support this

02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:08.055
because uh we just asking for giving it

02:11:08.079 --> 02:11:10.536
to the community to decide and I'm sure

02:11:10.560 --> 02:11:13.175
um Rosville counselors NG is one of

02:11:13.199 --> 02:11:15.416
councellor NG is one of the best one out

02:11:15.440 --> 02:11:18.440
of them and he's doing a fantastic job.

02:11:19.760 --> 02:11:22.760
No I'm just joking.

02:11:25.119 --> 02:11:26.936
Um, so does anyone really want to speak

02:11:26.960 --> 02:11:28.376
on the amendment or

02:11:28.400 --> 02:11:29.496
speak against the amendment

02:11:29.520 --> 02:11:30.936
then? councellor Press, you've got the

02:11:30.960 --> 02:11:33.736
floor. So we've had one for one against

02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:35.016
the amendment.

02:11:35.040 --> 02:11:37.655
We're on 427, Lord Mayor. I don't think

02:11:37.679 --> 02:11:39.336
that's fair because I don't start at

02:11:39.360 --> 02:11:40.296
five.

02:11:40.320 --> 02:11:43.320
Thank you. Um, look, this this whole

02:11:44.480 --> 02:11:46.296
thing is bigger than being hurt.

02:11:46.320 --> 02:11:49.320
Everyone seems to want an arch.

02:11:50.400 --> 02:11:52.536
There's there is a fire station there,

02:11:52.560 --> 02:11:54.856
Lord May. And I speak from experience

02:11:54.880 --> 02:11:57.016
when I say when your house is on fire,

02:11:57.040 --> 02:11:59.256
you want that fire engine to turn up.

02:11:59.280 --> 02:12:01.175
You do not want to get it tangled up in

02:12:01.199 --> 02:12:04.199
an arch in Arthur.

02:12:04.639 --> 02:12:07.639
Um we we actually had an expert panel

02:12:10.000 --> 02:12:12.936
who went through this and chose three

02:12:12.960 --> 02:12:14.695
designs

02:12:14.719 --> 02:12:17.719
based on based on the wording of the of

02:12:20.719 --> 02:12:23.719
the um plaque down in Harris Park which

02:12:25.199 --> 02:12:28.199
Mr. Modi and Mr. Albani the little India

02:12:29.440 --> 02:12:31.256
gateway

02:12:31.280 --> 02:12:34.280
and while coun councellor

02:12:34.719 --> 02:12:37.719
um Pandai spoke about a welcome gate if

02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:43.000
he had kept going it says a welcome gate

02:12:43.280 --> 02:12:46.280
form. So that's what this says here a

02:12:46.480 --> 02:12:49.336
welcome gate form. It does not say a

02:12:49.360 --> 02:12:51.575
welcome gate.

02:12:51.599 --> 02:12:52.536
Big difference.

02:12:52.560 --> 02:12:52.856
Yeah.

02:12:52.880 --> 02:12:55.880
Right. putting three things out onto

02:12:56.000 --> 02:12:59.000
exhibition is problematic in this in

02:12:59.040 --> 02:13:02.040
this form. What happens if they don't

02:13:02.480 --> 02:13:05.480
like any of them? What happens if

02:13:05.760 --> 02:13:08.456
everybody wants

02:13:08.480 --> 02:13:11.480
one and nobody likes the others? And

02:13:12.320 --> 02:13:14.776
then there's a fight because the people

02:13:14.800 --> 02:13:17.800
whose ones who we who said they don't

02:13:18.079 --> 02:13:20.135
like that one and this one, you know

02:13:20.159 --> 02:13:23.159
what Harris Park is like. The cho giving

02:13:23.679 --> 02:13:26.679
people choices in Harris Park

02:13:26.719 --> 02:13:29.575
is not the ideal scenario. We need to

02:13:29.599 --> 02:13:32.055
say to the people in Harris Park, this

02:13:32.079 --> 02:13:34.856
is what we feel and this is what the

02:13:34.880 --> 02:13:36.776
expert has. they made a choice to elect

02:13:36.800 --> 02:13:37.095
you

02:13:37.119 --> 02:13:40.119
that this that this will work here

02:13:41.920 --> 02:13:44.920
physically and it will work for the

02:13:44.960 --> 02:13:47.960
economic benefit of this area. It will

02:13:48.560 --> 02:13:51.560
have lights. It will reflect everything

02:13:51.760 --> 02:13:54.760
that Harris Park is. It will be a place

02:13:56.880 --> 02:13:59.880
to come and enjoy yourself. Once we

02:14:00.800 --> 02:14:03.336
start bringing in

02:14:03.360 --> 02:14:06.360
images that people have to choose, it'll

02:14:07.440 --> 02:14:10.055
all go to hell in a handcart. I can

02:14:10.079 --> 02:14:13.079
guarantee it. So I feel that we that is

02:14:14.800 --> 02:14:16.936
why I think that we really need to put

02:14:16.960 --> 02:14:19.960
up one image which is a beautiful image.

02:14:20.079 --> 02:14:23.079
It reflects the it reflects the um the

02:14:24.320 --> 02:14:27.320
gateway the the image of a gateway with

02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:30.936
the four pillars of the elements. It

02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:33.655
will go out on exhibition. People will

02:14:33.679 --> 02:14:35.575
have an opportunity to actually

02:14:35.599 --> 02:14:38.599
influence the colors the the motives

02:14:39.199 --> 02:14:42.199
that go in it go on it and it will refle

02:14:44.000 --> 02:14:47.000
be reflective of community consultation.

02:14:47.119 --> 02:14:48.215
Thank you.

02:14:48.239 --> 02:14:51.175
Three things going out on consultation

02:14:51.199 --> 02:14:54.199
will be reflective of we like this but

02:14:54.639 --> 02:14:57.575
we don't like that. That's it. We don't

02:14:57.599 --> 02:15:00.135
like that. That is all we will hear. So

02:15:00.159 --> 02:15:03.159
what do we do with it then? Do we put it

02:15:03.360 --> 02:15:05.816
back on exhibition to make sure that

02:15:05.840 --> 02:15:08.840
people like the one and if they don't

02:15:09.520 --> 02:15:11.575
like it what do we do with it then?

02:15:11.599 --> 02:15:14.135
Visual images are problematic.

02:15:14.159 --> 02:15:16.135
Sculptures are problematic. public

02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:19.159
artwork is problematic. Most the number

02:15:19.599 --> 02:15:22.599
of people who say I like it is quite

02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:27.496
often not as many as the ones who don't

02:15:27.520 --> 02:15:30.520
like it because it's a me matter of

02:15:30.880 --> 02:15:32.856
understanding

02:15:32.880 --> 02:15:35.880
and context and until you see it up you

02:15:36.480 --> 02:15:39.095
do not understand it. You do not see it

02:15:39.119 --> 02:15:41.336
within the context that it's meant to be

02:15:41.360 --> 02:15:44.360
seen. Seeing something that big is not

02:15:45.119 --> 02:15:48.119
the same as seeing something that big.

02:15:50.320 --> 02:15:53.256
Please do us all a favor.

02:15:53.280 --> 02:15:56.280
Put one on exhibition

02:15:56.480 --> 02:15:59.480
so that we can get a sound response and

02:16:01.599 --> 02:16:04.055
we know what we're getting and we can

02:16:04.079 --> 02:16:07.079
all move on. Thank you.

02:16:09.199 --> 02:16:11.655
Thank you Lord Mayor. councellor Press

02:16:11.679 --> 02:16:14.679
has really spoken well Mayor Councel

02:16:15.119 --> 02:16:17.095
Pillamarri spoken.

02:16:17.119 --> 02:16:18.296
That's my turn to speak.

02:16:18.320 --> 02:16:20.135
Um councellor Palamar you've already

02:16:20.159 --> 02:16:22.615
spoken so unless you got a question.

02:16:22.639 --> 02:16:23.095
Yes.

02:16:23.119 --> 02:16:24.135
Okay. Go ahead.

02:16:24.159 --> 02:16:26.456
I just want to through you Lord Mayor I

02:16:26.480 --> 02:16:28.296
was asking councellor Proce that we are

02:16:28.320 --> 02:16:30.135
talking about three options because we

02:16:30.159 --> 02:16:33.016
are in a democratic country not about

02:16:33.040 --> 02:16:34.615
the gate or any other issue.

02:16:34.639 --> 02:16:35.896
You want to vote lord May. What's the

02:16:35.920 --> 02:16:36.695
question?

02:16:36.719 --> 02:16:39.719
The question was to make sure she sticks

02:16:40.080 --> 02:16:42.615
to what amendment was, not to the one

02:16:42.639 --> 02:16:45.415
which goes around. Thank you.

02:16:45.439 --> 02:16:45.976
What?

02:16:46.000 --> 02:16:48.856
She was speaking to um against the

02:16:48.880 --> 02:16:50.295
amendment. So, we've had one speaker

02:16:50.319 --> 02:16:52.776
for, one against. So, we get one more

02:16:52.800 --> 02:16:54.856
bite of the cherry. So, who wants to

02:16:54.880 --> 02:16:56.535
speak

02:16:56.559 --> 02:16:59.096
for Can we just You councellor Pan, you

02:16:59.120 --> 02:17:00.375
already spoken, but if you want to, you

02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:01.575
you may speak again.

02:17:01.599 --> 02:17:03.096
For the amendment or for the motion?

02:17:03.120 --> 02:17:04.056
For the amendment.

02:17:04.080 --> 02:17:05.415
Oh, no.

02:17:05.439 --> 02:17:06.856
So, we're going to vote on the amendment

02:17:06.880 --> 02:17:08.776
now. Councellors, with no further

02:17:08.800 --> 02:17:10.375
speakers, I'm going to put the

02:17:10.399 --> 02:17:12.776
amendment, which is, can we please go to

02:17:12.800 --> 02:17:14.615
the amendment,

02:17:14.639 --> 02:17:17.639
which is

02:17:18.160 --> 02:17:20.535
that council approves all three concept

02:17:20.559 --> 02:17:21.976
design options available for public

02:17:22.000 --> 02:17:23.655
exhibition, and B, that following public

02:17:23.679 --> 02:17:24.695
exhibition, additional design,

02:17:24.719 --> 02:17:25.976
development, incorporating community

02:17:26.000 --> 02:17:27.976
feedback be undertaken, and council be

02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:29.495
provided with project updates for award

02:17:29.519 --> 02:17:30.695
briefings and council briefing notes.

02:17:30.719 --> 02:17:31.816
Can I speak against the amendment,

02:17:31.840 --> 02:17:33.816
woman?

02:17:33.840 --> 02:17:35.736
Yes. councellor I've already put the

02:17:35.760 --> 02:17:38.695
motion to be put you've so we are now

02:17:38.719 --> 02:17:41.016
going to put the motion and if it fails

02:17:41.040 --> 02:17:42.535
then you can speak if you want for the

02:17:42.559 --> 02:17:45.559
motion um so all those in favor of the

02:17:46.080 --> 02:17:48.056
amendment say I

02:17:48.080 --> 02:17:49.736
I

02:17:49.760 --> 02:17:52.535
all those against the amendment say I

02:17:52.559 --> 02:17:53.176
I

02:17:53.200 --> 02:17:56.200
the against have it motion failed so

02:17:56.319 --> 02:17:57.016
just for the record

02:17:57.040 --> 02:17:59.896
self council up

02:17:59.920 --> 02:18:01.335
amendment lost but for the record it was

02:18:01.359 --> 02:18:03.415
councellor pande myself councellor

02:18:03.439 --> 02:18:06.439
pelamari councellor Chan and councellor

02:18:07.200 --> 02:18:09.976
Jefferson have voted um for the

02:18:10.000 --> 02:18:13.000
amendment. The rest voted against.

02:18:14.719 --> 02:18:17.719
1 2 3 four five six seven.

02:18:30.160 --> 02:18:33.160
All right, counselor. So I sure I had

02:18:33.200 --> 02:18:35.495
more nose and eyes unless you guys have

02:18:35.519 --> 02:18:37.096
changed the way you vote but we'll do it

02:18:37.120 --> 02:18:39.976
by show of hands as been asked for. So

02:18:40.000 --> 02:18:42.615
once again the amendment all those in

02:18:42.639 --> 02:18:45.639
favor of the amendment raise your hand.

02:18:52.800 --> 02:18:55.800
All those against the amendment.

02:18:59.280 --> 02:19:01.655
Okay. I will not use my casting vote. So

02:19:01.679 --> 02:19:03.415
it's 77 does not progress. Is that what

02:19:03.439 --> 02:19:06.439
you want Councellors?

02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:09.479
Okay. Cool. Amendment is lost.

02:19:15.519 --> 02:19:18.519
No, there's nothing to go ahead with.

02:19:21.359 --> 02:19:23.655
motion.

02:19:23.679 --> 02:19:26.535
Go.

02:19:26.559 --> 02:19:29.559
Can I have it on the screen?

02:19:29.920 --> 02:19:32.375
Moved. councellor Pro. Second with

02:19:32.399 --> 02:19:35.399
councellor Issa. You have

02:19:36.800 --> 02:19:38.615
We're going to put the motion. So all

02:19:38.639 --> 02:19:41.639
those in favor of the motion by

02:19:42.639 --> 02:19:45.415
councellor Proiv and councellor Isa, put

02:19:45.439 --> 02:19:48.439
your hands up.

02:20:03.359 --> 02:20:06.359
Okay. All those against.

02:20:08.720 --> 02:20:11.720
Motion carried.

02:20:22.640 --> 02:20:25.640
All right.

02:20:28.479 --> 02:20:30.455
I invite councellor Isa to please move

02:20:30.479 --> 02:20:32.856
the PTE committee report

02:20:32.880 --> 02:20:33.736
2523

02:20:33.760 --> 02:20:36.760
2523 and 2527.

02:20:37.439 --> 02:20:40.136
Thank you Lord Mayor. Uh I move that the

02:20:40.160 --> 02:20:43.160
recommendations within item COM 2518 the

02:20:43.280 --> 02:20:44.536
report of the planning transport and

02:20:44.560 --> 02:20:46.616
environment committee meeting held on

02:20:46.640 --> 02:20:49.256
the 23rd of June 2025

02:20:49.280 --> 02:20:52.280
being for items PTE 23 PTE 24 and PTE 26

02:20:54.479 --> 02:20:56.216
we've already done sorry council 24 25

02:20:56.240 --> 02:20:59.240
26 23 27 only

02:20:59.280 --> 02:21:02.280
great uh

02:21:02.479 --> 02:21:04.696
23 27 that's it

02:21:04.720 --> 02:21:06.696
27 that's it

02:21:06.720 --> 02:21:09.720
um be adopted working out. Thank you.

02:21:14.319 --> 02:21:16.696
Okay. Um, do we need to show hands of

02:21:16.720 --> 02:21:19.415
these? No, we don't. So, all okay. Yes.

02:21:19.439 --> 02:21:21.096
So, all those in favor, please show of

02:21:21.120 --> 02:21:23.816
hands.

02:21:23.840 --> 02:21:26.696
Anyone against? No. Carried unanimously.

02:21:26.720 --> 02:21:29.256
We'll now move in to council Pandey in

02:21:29.280 --> 02:21:30.536
regards to the finance, property, and

02:21:30.560 --> 02:21:32.776
governance committee um report held on

02:21:32.800 --> 02:21:34.776
the 2nd of July.

02:21:34.800 --> 02:21:36.375
Council

02:21:36.399 --> 02:21:37.896
Pandey, you got the floor.

02:21:37.920 --> 02:21:40.616
Thank you, Lord May. Um Lord may I move

02:21:40.640 --> 02:21:43.016
that the recommendations within item COM

02:21:43.040 --> 02:21:45.736
2519 the report of the finance property

02:21:45.760 --> 02:21:47.896
and governance committee meeting held on

02:21:47.920 --> 02:21:50.920
2nd of July 2025 being for items FPG

02:21:51.680 --> 02:21:53.496
2526

02:21:53.520 --> 02:21:55.656
FPG 2528

02:21:55.680 --> 02:21:57.736
FPG 2529

02:21:57.760 --> 02:22:00.760
FPG 2530 FPG 2531 and FPG con 255

02:22:04.880 --> 02:22:07.880
as detailed below be adopted by council

02:22:08.720 --> 02:22:11.720
um that item FPG 2527

02:22:13.439 --> 02:22:16.295
and FPG con 254

02:22:16.319 --> 02:22:19.319
be debated and voted separately. L can I

02:22:19.840 --> 02:22:22.216
just double check something before I

02:22:22.240 --> 02:22:23.896
that's the note I have but let me just

02:22:23.920 --> 02:22:26.920
double check something L please.

02:22:29.439 --> 02:22:32.056
Yes. So council we're taking out 27

02:22:32.080 --> 02:22:34.216
which is 27 which you're going to move

02:22:34.240 --> 02:22:35.576
the amendment later and then we're

02:22:35.600 --> 02:22:37.736
taking out 25 for the tender.

02:22:37.760 --> 02:22:40.760
It's a lot the the property uh strategy.

02:22:41.280 --> 02:22:41.656
Yes.

02:22:41.680 --> 02:22:43.335
Uh I'm just trying to see it's in

02:22:43.359 --> 02:22:44.616
confidential, isn't it?

02:22:44.640 --> 02:22:45.415
Yeah.

02:22:45.439 --> 02:22:47.335
And is it part of this?

02:22:47.359 --> 02:22:49.816
Well, we can move it um if we can move

02:22:49.840 --> 02:22:51.656
it now. It's a procedural motion because

02:22:51.680 --> 02:22:53.096
we're moving in block. I I would like

02:22:53.120 --> 02:22:54.776
the property strategy to stay out of

02:22:54.800 --> 02:22:56.136
this and you want to

02:22:56.160 --> 02:22:58.136
and that we can have a discussion uh in

02:22:58.160 --> 02:22:59.656
the confidential section.

02:22:59.680 --> 02:23:02.680
I've got a question on 259

02:23:02.720 --> 02:23:05.415
2529.

02:23:05.439 --> 02:23:06.856
Okay, we'll take out that. So, we're

02:23:06.880 --> 02:23:09.880
only going to move 26, 28, 30, and 31.

02:23:13.439 --> 02:23:13.976
Yeah.

02:23:14.000 --> 02:23:14.696
Okay.

02:23:14.720 --> 02:23:16.056
Thank you.

02:23:16.080 --> 02:23:17.576
All right.

02:23:17.600 --> 02:23:20.375
All those in favor? I. Anyone against?

02:23:20.399 --> 02:23:21.736
No. So, that's carried unanimously. So

02:23:21.760 --> 02:23:23.496
now councellor Panda if you want to move

02:23:23.520 --> 02:23:26.520
the amendment to 2527 per the

02:23:26.800 --> 02:23:28.056
circulation that went out to the

02:23:28.080 --> 02:23:28.536
counselors.

02:23:28.560 --> 02:23:29.976
Who has seconded that motion?

02:23:30.000 --> 02:23:31.415
Oh yeah sorry

02:23:31.439 --> 02:23:34.439
councellor you second.

02:23:34.880 --> 02:23:36.936
So

02:23:36.960 --> 02:23:39.960
where is the amendment for the

02:23:40.800 --> 02:23:43.800
on the screen counselor?

02:23:52.640 --> 02:23:53.896
the amendment

02:23:53.920 --> 02:23:54.776
31.

02:23:54.800 --> 02:23:55.816
Sorry, they're going to bring it up.

02:23:55.840 --> 02:23:56.936
councellor,

02:23:56.960 --> 02:23:59.960
sorry. Well, did we move 31?

02:24:02.000 --> 02:24:03.736
Yes. Which is to go to a briefing? Yes.

02:24:03.760 --> 02:24:04.616
Go to a briefing.

02:24:04.640 --> 02:24:06.056
Yes, that's what we moved. Yes. Yes.

02:24:06.080 --> 02:24:07.816
Yes. Yes.

02:24:07.840 --> 02:24:09.176
That's a recommendation from the

02:24:09.200 --> 02:24:09.816
committee.

02:24:09.840 --> 02:24:12.840
Yeah.

02:24:13.600 --> 02:24:15.335
Can I ask my question whilst

02:24:15.359 --> 02:24:17.736
Yeah, go ahead. council GA gathers his

02:24:17.760 --> 02:24:19.415
thoughts.

02:24:19.439 --> 02:24:20.696
Yes, you can ask your question in

02:24:20.720 --> 02:24:23.656
regards to um 29.

02:24:23.680 --> 02:24:26.295
Yeah, 29 about the multi-level car park

02:24:26.319 --> 02:24:29.319
utilization rate trial period. Um Lord,

02:24:29.920 --> 02:24:31.496
may my question through to the relevant

02:24:31.520 --> 02:24:34.520
officer is post the change of prices

02:24:35.680 --> 02:24:38.056
uh that we ran the trial on. Uh where

02:24:38.080 --> 02:24:41.080
did where did we land? And yeah, my

02:24:41.760 --> 02:24:44.216
question is what are we going to do with

02:24:44.240 --> 02:24:45.816
the prices

02:24:45.840 --> 02:24:46.455
ongoing?

02:24:46.479 --> 02:24:47.976
We've extended for another 3 months.

02:24:48.000 --> 02:24:48.776
Only 3 months.

02:24:48.800 --> 02:24:49.736
Yep. And we're going to have another

02:24:49.760 --> 02:24:51.256
report in 3 months and then we'll make a

02:24:51.280 --> 02:24:52.295
decision then.

02:24:52.319 --> 02:24:55.319
3 months. Okay. Thank you.

02:24:56.560 --> 02:24:58.536
All right. So, whilst we're finding um

02:24:58.560 --> 02:25:00.216
So, where is the Can we have that on the

02:25:00.240 --> 02:25:00.455
screen?

02:25:00.479 --> 02:25:01.736
Yeah. So, so what we'll do, counselor,

02:25:01.760 --> 02:25:04.295
we'll just put in 25 29 up and then

02:25:04.319 --> 02:25:05.816
we'll move back to 27 because they're

02:25:05.840 --> 02:25:08.616
trying to find the amendment.

02:25:08.640 --> 02:25:11.496
Yep. So you want to move to to council

02:25:11.520 --> 02:25:14.295
this will move 2529 which is about the

02:25:14.319 --> 02:25:15.816
status report and the multi-level car

02:25:15.840 --> 02:25:16.696
parks

02:25:16.720 --> 02:25:19.720
seconded councellor Greenwood. So all

02:25:19.760 --> 02:25:21.176
those in favor

02:25:21.200 --> 02:25:24.200
I anyone against? No. So we're just um

02:25:26.000 --> 02:25:29.000
going to bring up now

02:25:30.800 --> 02:25:32.936
unless you want to move to con 254 and

02:25:32.960 --> 02:25:35.256
then

02:25:35.280 --> 02:25:38.280
the exemption to the tender.

02:25:41.439 --> 02:25:43.096
Okay, it's on the screen. councellor

02:25:43.120 --> 02:25:44.536
Penny, it's on there. That's the

02:25:44.560 --> 02:25:47.560
amendment.

02:25:57.200 --> 02:26:00.200
Yes,

02:26:00.319 --> 02:26:02.616
that's a draft that's been circulated.

02:26:02.640 --> 02:26:05.640
It's correct.

02:26:08.399 --> 02:26:11.399
Sorry,

02:26:11.680 --> 02:26:14.680
I'm confused. Is what we're now adopting

02:26:14.880 --> 02:26:16.616
to go on public exhibition what was

02:26:16.640 --> 02:26:18.455
presented to the committee.

02:26:18.479 --> 02:26:20.856
No, no, no. This there was a draft that

02:26:20.880 --> 02:26:22.936
was circulated which is essentially the

02:26:22.960 --> 02:26:25.016
current policy. It's been tabled

02:26:25.040 --> 02:26:27.415
as tabled at this meeting, not at the

02:26:27.439 --> 02:26:28.056
meeting.

02:26:28.080 --> 02:26:29.816
Correct. Yes. Yes.

02:26:29.840 --> 02:26:32.536
Cuz I'm Okay. This meeting refers to

02:26:32.560 --> 02:26:33.816
this one, not the committee meeting.

02:26:33.840 --> 02:26:35.816
Correct. Yes. Cool. Yes.

02:26:35.840 --> 02:26:38.455
Correct. So that's the amendment.

02:26:38.479 --> 02:26:41.335
So I'm I'm happy for I understand that

02:26:41.359 --> 02:26:44.359
what was presented at um at the

02:26:45.120 --> 02:26:47.496
committee is not same as what we have

02:26:47.520 --> 02:26:49.335
tonight. Correct. I'm happy for this to

02:26:49.359 --> 02:26:52.056
go to a councellor briefing.

02:26:52.080 --> 02:26:53.096
We got to do the we got to do the

02:26:53.120 --> 02:26:54.936
exhibition and then we can do a briefing

02:26:54.960 --> 02:26:56.536
about the other comprehensive one at a

02:26:56.560 --> 02:26:57.176
later time.

02:26:57.200 --> 02:26:57.816
Yeah. Okay.

02:26:57.840 --> 02:26:59.335
Due to the time restraint. So it's been

02:26:59.359 --> 02:27:00.536
moved by you. Who's going to second

02:27:00.560 --> 02:27:03.335
that? councellor Isa.

02:27:03.359 --> 02:27:05.496
All right. All those in question.

02:27:05.520 --> 02:27:06.616
Oh, sorry. Council Ella,

02:27:06.640 --> 02:27:07.976
probably no question, just a request.

02:27:08.000 --> 02:27:10.056
Can we get the version of this put onto

02:27:10.080 --> 02:27:11.896
the motion so we know which motion we're

02:27:11.920 --> 02:27:13.656
voting for?

02:27:13.680 --> 02:27:16.375
A simple request. If we can make sure we

02:27:16.399 --> 02:27:17.736
put a date in there. Yes.

02:27:17.760 --> 02:27:18.056
Yeah.

02:27:18.080 --> 02:27:20.375
Yeah. Can we do that, please?

02:27:20.399 --> 02:27:23.176
Cool. All right. All those in favor say

02:27:23.200 --> 02:27:26.200
I. I. Anyone against? No. Carried

02:27:26.319 --> 02:27:29.319
unanimously. We'll now move to 254, the

02:27:31.200 --> 02:27:34.200
tender. Um, councellor Pandai, we had

02:27:34.240 --> 02:27:35.415
some questions in the committee. I think

02:27:35.439 --> 02:27:37.415
they've been answered. Did you have any

02:27:37.439 --> 02:27:38.056
Do you want to move?

02:27:38.080 --> 02:27:39.496
No, Lord. Mayor, I have spoken to the

02:27:39.520 --> 02:27:42.216
relevant officers. I think it's um um I

02:27:42.240 --> 02:27:45.176
think I'm satisfied that we adopt the

02:27:45.200 --> 02:27:48.200
recommendation of the staff um on this

02:27:48.479 --> 02:27:51.335
one.

02:27:51.359 --> 02:27:53.976
Okay. Seconded to that.

02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:54.696
I second it.

02:27:54.720 --> 02:27:57.096
Second. councellor um Greenwood.

02:27:57.120 --> 02:27:59.496
Fantastic. So, all those in favor? I

02:27:59.520 --> 02:28:02.520
against no. We'll now move on to

02:28:02.800 --> 02:28:05.800
um item 2519 post-election adoption of

02:28:06.000 --> 02:28:08.536
the code of meeting practice.

02:28:08.560 --> 02:28:09.896
Although it's going to get a mover and a

02:28:09.920 --> 02:28:11.576
second move that way.

02:28:11.600 --> 02:28:13.335
Move councellor

02:28:13.359 --> 02:28:15.335
seconded councellor Chan. All those in

02:28:15.359 --> 02:28:17.656
favor I. Anyone against? No. Carried

02:28:17.680 --> 02:28:19.256
unanimously.

02:28:19.280 --> 02:28:22.056
Post election adoption of code of

02:28:22.080 --> 02:28:25.080
conduct 25-20.

02:28:25.359 --> 02:28:26.936
Essentially it's what we currently have.

02:28:26.960 --> 02:28:29.096
So no changes there. So move.

02:28:29.120 --> 02:28:31.496
So Lord, can I just ask um so this

02:28:31.520 --> 02:28:32.936
hasn't been discussed, isn't it? There's

02:28:32.960 --> 02:28:33.496
no change.

02:28:33.520 --> 02:28:35.656
No changes. Exactly. It's the same.

02:28:35.680 --> 02:28:37.736
Understand that. But was there a

02:28:37.760 --> 02:28:39.736
opportunity for us to missed opportunity

02:28:39.760 --> 02:28:42.760
in a way that we have not reviewed this?

02:28:43.760 --> 02:28:45.656
I believe there was a workshop. I

02:28:45.680 --> 02:28:46.936
remember there was a workshop and it was

02:28:46.960 --> 02:28:49.576
a recommendation to proceed with the

02:28:49.600 --> 02:28:51.016
code of meeting practice and the code of

02:28:51.040 --> 02:28:54.040
conduct as we had and there was no

02:28:54.160 --> 02:28:56.056
pending. Yeah. I'll let I'll let the C

02:28:56.080 --> 02:28:56.616
answer. Yeah.

02:28:56.640 --> 02:28:58.455
Thank you.

02:28:58.479 --> 02:29:00.295
uh through you lord me that's correct

02:29:00.319 --> 02:29:02.056
there was a council workshop on the

02:29:02.080 --> 02:29:03.816
proposed changes to the code of meeting

02:29:03.840 --> 02:29:05.256
practice and the code of conduct that

02:29:05.280 --> 02:29:08.280
was to be issued by OLG we were councils

02:29:08.319 --> 02:29:10.056
were advised that it would happen before

02:29:10.080 --> 02:29:12.136
the end of the financial year so

02:29:12.160 --> 02:29:14.455
everyone waited uh for both codes to be

02:29:14.479 --> 02:29:17.176
amended by the minister um those amended

02:29:17.200 --> 02:29:20.056
codes have not been issued so pursuant

02:29:20.080 --> 02:29:22.295
to the legislation we're just readopting

02:29:22.319 --> 02:29:24.776
the existing codes and we will wait for

02:29:24.800 --> 02:29:27.096
those uh new changes to be published

02:29:27.120 --> 02:29:29.496
lished which we are informed will be

02:29:29.520 --> 02:29:31.256
within the coming months. So there are

02:29:31.280 --> 02:29:32.936
no changes to the existing codes as

02:29:32.960 --> 02:29:35.960
presented to council.

02:29:38.960 --> 02:29:40.616
So we move council second councel

02:29:40.640 --> 02:29:42.616
greenwood okay with that council panda.

02:29:42.640 --> 02:29:44.696
So we're waiting essentially for the um

02:29:44.720 --> 02:29:47.096
updated code from the minister. Okay

02:29:47.120 --> 02:29:48.856
I'll put that motion. All those in favor

02:29:48.880 --> 02:29:51.880
I against no carried unanimously. We'll

02:29:52.560 --> 02:29:55.560
now move to notices of motion. We have

02:29:56.319 --> 02:29:59.319
councellor um French's motion 25-26.

02:30:02.720 --> 02:30:05.720
I second it.

02:30:06.640 --> 02:30:08.856
Uh thank you Lord Mayor. I'm raising the

02:30:08.880 --> 02:30:11.176
notice of motion as written um with the

02:30:11.200 --> 02:30:13.415
addition of the following amendment that

02:30:13.439 --> 02:30:16.439
um should be up on the screen shortly

02:30:17.760 --> 02:30:20.760
and that is uh see that a council

02:30:21.439 --> 02:30:24.439
briefing session is held in August 2025

02:30:25.920 --> 02:30:27.576
before the report is presented to

02:30:27.600 --> 02:30:30.295
council.

02:30:30.319 --> 02:30:33.319
Lord May, um can I ask that I be seated

02:30:34.000 --> 02:30:35.896
while I continue to speak? Thank you.

02:30:35.920 --> 02:30:38.856
Yes, you may. Yes.

02:30:38.880 --> 02:30:41.880
Uh thank you Lord May. So this motion is

02:30:42.399 --> 02:30:45.096
in response to information that was

02:30:45.120 --> 02:30:47.496
presented to Councellors as part of our

02:30:47.520 --> 02:30:49.176
integrated planning and reporting

02:30:49.200 --> 02:30:50.776
process

02:30:50.800 --> 02:30:52.616
uh that we've just gone through and the

02:30:52.640 --> 02:30:54.856
preparation of our delivery plan

02:30:54.880 --> 02:30:56.696
operational plan and your budget

02:30:56.720 --> 02:30:59.720
long-term financial plans etc. And in in

02:31:00.319 --> 02:31:02.536
that information uh it was revealed that

02:31:02.560 --> 02:31:05.560
the City of Parramatta's current rates base

02:31:05.600 --> 02:31:07.736
is both unsustainable for the City's

02:31:07.760 --> 02:31:10.760
long-term funding and inequitable for

02:31:10.960 --> 02:31:13.576
the City's rate payers. So as such this

02:31:13.600 --> 02:31:16.600
motion is asking for a report so that we

02:31:17.520 --> 02:31:20.520
may better understand our rate base and

02:31:20.800 --> 02:31:23.800
explore the options uh to address this

02:31:24.240 --> 02:31:27.240
equity and sustainable funding and

02:31:27.760 --> 02:31:29.976
potentially consider options for

02:31:30.000 --> 02:31:32.616
addressing the gaps identified in our

02:31:32.640 --> 02:31:35.096
long-term financial plan with our

02:31:35.120 --> 02:31:36.856
infrastructure backlog, our asset

02:31:36.880 --> 02:31:39.496
management and the delivery of

02:31:39.520 --> 02:31:41.896
significant environmental initiatives

02:31:41.920 --> 02:31:44.920
including our tree canopy action plan.

02:31:46.000 --> 02:31:48.295
This is asking for an exploratory piece

02:31:48.319 --> 02:31:51.319
of work. Um as per the amendment, it

02:31:51.520 --> 02:31:54.520
will come back to a council briefing uh

02:31:55.439 --> 02:31:58.439
where we can discuss and debate what our

02:31:59.200 --> 02:32:02.200
best path forward is.

02:32:03.600 --> 02:32:05.736
um to

02:32:05.760 --> 02:32:07.496
deliver the level and quality of

02:32:07.520 --> 02:32:10.520
services that our community expects and

02:32:10.960 --> 02:32:13.960
to address uh the rapid growth of this

02:32:15.040 --> 02:32:18.040
community and our neighborhoods.

02:32:19.359 --> 02:32:21.896
I'll leave it at that. Thank you.

02:32:21.920 --> 02:32:24.536
Uh so we've had one speaker, four. Let's

02:32:24.560 --> 02:32:25.976
call for a second speaker. Do we have

02:32:26.000 --> 02:32:29.000
anyone against? Council Isa and then

02:32:29.680 --> 02:32:32.680
we'll move back to four.

02:32:39.520 --> 02:32:42.216
Lord Mayor, I'm um speaking against this

02:32:42.240 --> 02:32:45.240
because effectively what I'm reading is

02:32:46.080 --> 02:32:49.080
a notice of motion that seeks

02:32:49.520 --> 02:32:52.520
to impose a rate rise on our residents.

02:32:54.160 --> 02:32:56.616
Point of order, Lord May.

02:32:56.640 --> 02:32:57.415
Yes.

02:32:57.439 --> 02:32:59.415
Um this notice of motion does not seek

02:32:59.439 --> 02:33:01.656
to impose a rates rise. This is asking

02:33:01.680 --> 02:33:03.816
for a report to be considered by

02:33:03.840 --> 02:33:04.375
Councellors.

02:33:04.399 --> 02:33:05.176
So we're ask

02:33:05.200 --> 02:33:05.896
So I say you

02:33:05.920 --> 02:33:08.455
No, I appreciate I appreciate that.

02:33:08.479 --> 02:33:11.479
Investigate a report and options to do

02:33:13.439 --> 02:33:14.696
four things. Lord Mayor,

02:33:14.720 --> 02:33:17.016
I rule out a rule is not out of order,

02:33:17.040 --> 02:33:18.936
but I do appreciate the clarification of

02:33:18.960 --> 02:33:19.335
the point.

02:33:19.359 --> 02:33:20.536
I'm going to read it verbatim.

02:33:20.560 --> 02:33:21.816
I understand council, but I have to make

02:33:21.840 --> 02:33:24.295
a rul for those playing at home. for

02:33:24.319 --> 02:33:26.696
those playing at home. Options to

02:33:26.720 --> 02:33:28.375
increase the minimum rate rise on a

02:33:28.399 --> 02:33:30.455
permanent basis and the impact on that

02:33:30.479 --> 02:33:32.776
redistribution. Options to increase the

02:33:32.800 --> 02:33:34.776
minimum residential rate on a permanent

02:33:34.800 --> 02:33:36.936
basis and the impact that retaining

02:33:36.960 --> 02:33:39.415
additional income generated. Options to

02:33:39.439 --> 02:33:41.496
increase the minimum business rates on a

02:33:41.520 --> 02:33:43.816
permanent basis, Lord Mayor, options to

02:33:43.840 --> 02:33:46.056
increase the increasing the minimum

02:33:46.080 --> 02:33:48.375
business rates on a permanent basis.

02:33:48.399 --> 02:33:50.455
options to introduce an environmental

02:33:50.479 --> 02:33:53.335
levy and options to increase the current

02:33:53.359 --> 02:33:56.359
advalarium rate on the dollar. Now, I'm

02:33:56.640 --> 02:33:58.216
not sure how to interpret this

02:33:58.240 --> 02:34:00.856
otherwise. I I would be happy for

02:34:00.880 --> 02:34:03.335
someone to explain how a report that's

02:34:03.359 --> 02:34:06.056
asking for those six things isn't asking

02:34:06.080 --> 02:34:09.080
for a report on a rate.

02:34:09.600 --> 02:34:11.096
You can call every point of order you

02:34:11.120 --> 02:34:14.120
like. This is a report to the staff

02:34:15.040 --> 02:34:18.040
saying to our residents, we want to

02:34:18.240 --> 02:34:21.240
report so we can charge you more. That's

02:34:21.920 --> 02:34:24.696
what this is asking for.

02:34:24.720 --> 02:34:26.616
That's the data you're asking in A and

02:34:26.640 --> 02:34:29.016
in option and in B you're asking for I

02:34:29.040 --> 02:34:31.016
want a report that says how I can charge

02:34:31.040 --> 02:34:34.040
residents more. At no point in this

02:34:34.080 --> 02:34:36.856
notice of motion is there any option or

02:34:36.880 --> 02:34:39.176
any report to go back to the

02:34:39.200 --> 02:34:41.335
organization and say instead of charging

02:34:41.359 --> 02:34:43.096
the residents more, how do you gain

02:34:43.120 --> 02:34:45.896
efficiencies in this organization?

02:34:45.920 --> 02:34:47.335
Where's that part of the notice of

02:34:47.359 --> 02:34:49.176
motion?

02:34:49.200 --> 02:34:51.976
It doesn't exist. I've got a I've got

02:34:52.000 --> 02:34:54.136
I've got a notice of motion from the

02:34:54.160 --> 02:34:57.160
Labor Party asking us to charge

02:34:57.359 --> 02:35:00.295
residents more to charge businesses more

02:35:00.319 --> 02:35:02.936
and explore how we do that and I'll read

02:35:02.960 --> 02:35:05.960
verbatim on a permanent basis.

02:35:08.720 --> 02:35:09.896
I want to hear the point of order

02:35:09.920 --> 02:35:11.816
because I'm reading verbatim.

02:35:11.840 --> 02:35:13.335
That's what it says.

02:35:13.359 --> 02:35:15.576
So I got a point of order asking us to

02:35:15.600 --> 02:35:17.335
raise the rates. It is asking for a

02:35:17.359 --> 02:35:18.776
report on options

02:35:18.800 --> 02:35:20.856
to raise the rates. the rates. But

02:35:20.880 --> 02:35:21.736
that's what the report say.

02:35:21.760 --> 02:35:24.696
Yes. But it is the motion is not asking

02:35:24.720 --> 02:35:26.455
to raise the rates. I just ask that

02:35:26.479 --> 02:35:28.216
council Isra is very clear in his

02:35:28.240 --> 02:35:29.096
language.

02:35:29.120 --> 02:35:32.120
Right. So you want staff to do work on

02:35:32.640 --> 02:35:35.640
six reports to raise rates.

02:35:36.399 --> 02:35:37.415
Yes.

02:35:37.439 --> 02:35:39.816
That's what the motion says.

02:35:39.840 --> 02:35:41.256
So I don't rule that out of out of

02:35:41.280 --> 02:35:43.816
order. So council you may continue.

02:35:43.840 --> 02:35:45.816
So Lord M. I am not supporting this

02:35:45.840 --> 02:35:47.656
because there isn't an alternate motion

02:35:47.680 --> 02:35:50.455
or alternate options or report that the

02:35:50.479 --> 02:35:53.096
Labour Party is suggesting that asks the

02:35:53.120 --> 02:35:56.056
res the residents to impose an

02:35:56.080 --> 02:35:59.080
efficiency dividend, a process review,

02:35:59.520 --> 02:36:02.520
something on this organization to drive

02:36:02.800 --> 02:36:05.656
efficiencies in the way we operate. What

02:36:05.680 --> 02:36:08.616
it's asking for is to put the burden on

02:36:08.640 --> 02:36:11.640
the residents rather than to ask the

02:36:11.920 --> 02:36:13.816
organization to do some work and take a

02:36:13.840 --> 02:36:15.656
hard look at themselves in the way we

02:36:15.680 --> 02:36:17.256
conduct ourselves and what we're paying

02:36:17.280 --> 02:36:19.896
for. Last term under Labor Party

02:36:19.920 --> 02:36:22.536
leadership, all we had was strategy

02:36:22.560 --> 02:36:25.415
after strategy after strategy with no

02:36:25.439 --> 02:36:27.736
delivery. Now we're saying we've written

02:36:27.760 --> 02:36:29.256
all these great strategies, we can't pay

02:36:29.280 --> 02:36:31.176
for them. Let's burden the residents

02:36:31.200 --> 02:36:32.776
with them. And that's what this report's

02:36:32.800 --> 02:36:34.136
asking for and that's why I'm voting

02:36:34.160 --> 02:36:36.056
against it.

02:36:36.080 --> 02:36:37.976
Okay. So now we've had one 41 against.

02:36:38.000 --> 02:36:38.856
We'll have another

02:36:38.880 --> 02:36:40.616
I've just got a question.

02:36:40.640 --> 02:36:42.136
councellor Grenold. Yes, you can ask a

02:36:42.160 --> 02:36:42.536
question.

02:36:42.560 --> 02:36:45.560
Thank Thank you, Lord Mayor. Um I just

02:36:46.479 --> 02:36:49.335
wanted to confirm it's possible for

02:36:49.359 --> 02:36:51.415
councellor is to move his own motion to

02:36:51.439 --> 02:36:54.439
seek efficiencies. That's not actually

02:36:54.479 --> 02:36:56.056
doesn't need to be discussed as part of

02:36:56.080 --> 02:36:56.856
this motion.

02:36:56.880 --> 02:36:58.056
Council, I'm sure he's aware he's got

02:36:58.080 --> 02:36:59.415
that right. He hasn't exercised that

02:36:59.439 --> 02:37:00.216
right yet.

02:37:00.240 --> 02:37:03.240
Okay. I'm also not sure um my

02:37:03.760 --> 02:37:04.696
what's the question?

02:37:04.720 --> 02:37:07.720
My understanding of part BI

02:37:08.479 --> 02:37:10.616
is the option for increasing minimal

02:37:10.640 --> 02:37:12.856
residential rates on a permanent basis

02:37:12.880 --> 02:37:14.936
and how it impacts the income within

02:37:14.960 --> 02:37:17.576
Sydney's uh within council's existing

02:37:17.600 --> 02:37:20.600
rate bed. Um can you please clarify for

02:37:21.439 --> 02:37:23.576
me? I understand that that is not an

02:37:23.600 --> 02:37:25.335
increase in rates that because the rates

02:37:25.359 --> 02:37:27.656
are pegged it's just a redistribution of

02:37:27.680 --> 02:37:30.056
rates. So to characterize it as a motion

02:37:30.080 --> 02:37:32.936
all about increases in rates I think is

02:37:32.960 --> 02:37:35.960
incorrect. Um which which part?

02:37:36.319 --> 02:37:39.319
So so because rates what what I'm trying

02:37:40.080 --> 02:37:41.496
this

02:37:41.520 --> 02:37:43.176
the one that says options for increasing

02:37:43.200 --> 02:37:45.496
the minimum residential rate that one.

02:37:45.520 --> 02:37:48.455
So my question is

02:37:48.479 --> 02:37:51.479
Yep. I said I'll pass on to Mr.

02:37:52.000 --> 02:37:53.415
Mr. Sharma or Mr. Smith.

02:37:53.439 --> 02:37:56.295
I increase rates overall or does it just

02:37:56.319 --> 02:37:58.056
redistribute?

02:37:58.080 --> 02:38:01.080
See, I will take that on.

02:38:01.600 --> 02:38:02.616
Just

02:38:02.640 --> 02:38:04.536
Lord May Bi asked for options for

02:38:04.560 --> 02:38:06.536
increasing the minimum residential rate

02:38:06.560 --> 02:38:09.176
on a permanent basis and the impact that

02:38:09.200 --> 02:38:10.936
redistribution of that income within

02:38:10.960 --> 02:38:13.656
council's existing rate peg would have.

02:38:13.680 --> 02:38:16.056
In other words, raising minimum rates,

02:38:16.080 --> 02:38:17.576
however,

02:38:17.600 --> 02:38:20.056
that would then require us to lower

02:38:20.080 --> 02:38:22.295
other rates to redistribute that income.

02:38:22.319 --> 02:38:24.375
So council's overall rate income would

02:38:24.399 --> 02:38:27.399
not increase.

02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:31.335
Deputy Lord May.

02:38:31.359 --> 02:38:34.056
Thank you, Lord Mayor. And um I just

02:38:34.080 --> 02:38:35.256
want to I do want to speak in favor of

02:38:35.280 --> 02:38:37.496
this motion. I commend council or

02:38:37.520 --> 02:38:39.176
friends for bringing it. Um though I've

02:38:39.200 --> 02:38:40.776
not been here long, I've been through a

02:38:40.800 --> 02:38:43.016
few budget cycles now. And it's always

02:38:43.040 --> 02:38:44.616
uh a decidedly, you know, difficult

02:38:44.640 --> 02:38:46.056
pushpull between what's in and what's

02:38:46.080 --> 02:38:48.776
out. And that was never more exemplified

02:38:48.800 --> 02:38:50.295
uh than in the last budget process we

02:38:50.319 --> 02:38:53.176
all went through when uh we published

02:38:53.200 --> 02:38:54.936
things like the exemptions list. And I

02:38:54.960 --> 02:38:57.816
don't think uh this discussion uh has to

02:38:57.840 --> 02:39:00.840
become you know captive or subject to uh

02:39:00.960 --> 02:39:03.016
you know uh combative or political

02:39:03.040 --> 02:39:04.696
discussion. We should this is what's in

02:39:04.720 --> 02:39:07.256
front of us is not a fairly comple uh

02:39:07.280 --> 02:39:09.096
what's written in front of us is as

02:39:09.120 --> 02:39:10.696
indicated by council French is an

02:39:10.720 --> 02:39:12.536
exploratory piece of work and I'm sure

02:39:12.560 --> 02:39:14.616
we all realize that whatever comes at

02:39:14.640 --> 02:39:16.295
the other end of this of course we can

02:39:16.319 --> 02:39:19.319
decide what we will uh whether or not we

02:39:19.520 --> 02:39:21.176
decide to undertake uh any of the

02:39:21.200 --> 02:39:22.936
options uh within the report decide to

02:39:22.960 --> 02:39:25.256
exercise them but I've been surprised

02:39:25.280 --> 02:39:27.016
and I think we should all be interested

02:39:27.040 --> 02:39:29.576
in wanting to have uh wholesome

02:39:29.600 --> 02:39:32.056
discussion about this and as for the

02:39:32.080 --> 02:39:33.496
discussion around efficiencies in the

02:39:33.520 --> 02:39:35.256
organization. Of course, that's a

02:39:35.280 --> 02:39:37.736
relevant uh discussion uh to be had, but

02:39:37.760 --> 02:39:39.736
it's not mutually exclusive uh to this

02:39:39.760 --> 02:39:41.736
particular notice of motion. And also,

02:39:41.760 --> 02:39:43.096
it's something, you know, we've just

02:39:43.120 --> 02:39:44.616
been through the budget process and we,

02:39:44.640 --> 02:39:45.976
you know, we've had long-winded

02:39:46.000 --> 02:39:48.856
discussions about uh staffing levels and

02:39:48.880 --> 02:39:51.335
other such things and levels of vacancy

02:39:51.359 --> 02:39:53.016
and all that sort of thing. So, it's

02:39:53.040 --> 02:39:55.016
sort of, you know, we have been delving

02:39:55.040 --> 02:39:56.856
into where efficiencies can be had and

02:39:56.880 --> 02:39:58.936
and how. I think that's we are

02:39:58.960 --> 02:40:00.936
undertaking that process. This is a

02:40:00.960 --> 02:40:02.295
different piece of work but you know

02:40:02.319 --> 02:40:04.856
it's not just strictly BAU uh but

02:40:04.880 --> 02:40:06.616
importantly it's not a fair comp play

02:40:06.640 --> 02:40:08.375
and I think we should be exploring this

02:40:08.399 --> 02:40:11.399
I mean plainly the expectations of

02:40:12.560 --> 02:40:14.856
residents what they want to see regards

02:40:14.880 --> 02:40:17.880
to you know council this is correct

02:40:18.960 --> 02:40:21.496
well council is a you actually voted to

02:40:21.520 --> 02:40:24.520
increase rates at the last

02:40:24.720 --> 02:40:27.176
accurate depiction

02:40:27.200 --> 02:40:30.200
at the um So I don't can be heard in

02:40:30.640 --> 02:40:31.016
songs.

02:40:31.040 --> 02:40:32.455
I don't think we really need again I

02:40:32.479 --> 02:40:33.496
don't see that this has to be a

02:40:33.520 --> 02:40:34.856
combative discussion because this is an

02:40:34.880 --> 02:40:36.295
exploratory piece of work and we should

02:40:36.319 --> 02:40:38.936
all be interested 15 of us in what

02:40:38.960 --> 02:40:40.616
information this report can yield with

02:40:40.640 --> 02:40:43.576
regards to our rate space uh and sort of

02:40:43.600 --> 02:40:45.656
charact you know to characterize it in

02:40:45.680 --> 02:40:48.680
any other way uh is unfortunate because

02:40:49.280 --> 02:40:51.016
this shouldn't be captive to that this

02:40:51.040 --> 02:40:52.375
discussion that should be able to be had

02:40:52.399 --> 02:40:55.176
openly and transparently and in a nuance

02:40:55.200 --> 02:40:56.375
fashion with the community. That's what

02:40:56.399 --> 02:40:59.399
this is attempt an attempt to do and I

02:40:59.520 --> 02:41:01.176
think you know council mentioned it

02:41:01.200 --> 02:41:02.776
earlier and I agree with him the

02:41:02.800 --> 02:41:04.536
importance of you know council attending

02:41:04.560 --> 02:41:06.455
to core business you know those things

02:41:06.479 --> 02:41:07.816
like filling potholes or those things

02:41:07.840 --> 02:41:09.256
like park upgrades and whether it's

02:41:09.280 --> 02:41:11.415
dense park or any of these things there

02:41:11.439 --> 02:41:13.896
is plainly a great deal of work ahead of

02:41:13.920 --> 02:41:16.295
us and this City should be thinking

02:41:16.319 --> 02:41:19.016
about how it intends uh to fund the

02:41:19.040 --> 02:41:20.616
endeavors that it needs to undertake

02:41:20.640 --> 02:41:22.696
into the future. So this is not a fair

02:41:22.720 --> 02:41:24.776
to comply. We should be thinking openly

02:41:24.800 --> 02:41:26.455
and conducting this discussion in a

02:41:26.479 --> 02:41:28.696
transparent fashion in front of the

02:41:28.720 --> 02:41:29.896
community which I believe is what

02:41:29.920 --> 02:41:31.816
council French is seeking to do. And I

02:41:31.840 --> 02:41:33.335
thank her for bringing this motion and

02:41:33.359 --> 02:41:35.256
I'm hopeful despite the tenor of the

02:41:35.280 --> 02:41:38.280
discussion thus far that we can agree to

02:41:38.880 --> 02:41:40.856
engage with this and see what comes of

02:41:40.880 --> 02:41:43.880
it. So thank you Lord Mayor.

02:41:44.240 --> 02:41:45.816
Lord Mayor, I'd like to move that we

02:41:45.840 --> 02:41:47.736
move into committee to discuss this

02:41:47.760 --> 02:41:49.176
motion so that we can have a more

02:41:49.200 --> 02:41:51.736
wholesome discussion. public.

02:41:51.760 --> 02:41:53.176
No,

02:41:53.200 --> 02:41:55.335
councellor. I don't We already had

02:41:55.359 --> 02:41:57.896
Do I have a second?

02:41:57.920 --> 02:41:59.335
No, we're not going to move.

02:41:59.359 --> 02:42:01.656
If you would like to have this in We

02:42:01.680 --> 02:42:02.776
would like to have a secret discussion

02:42:02.800 --> 02:42:04.375
on increase rate from the rate payers,

02:42:04.399 --> 02:42:06.216
I'm happy to do that, but we won't be

02:42:06.240 --> 02:42:07.415
supporting that. I'm in your hands,

02:42:07.439 --> 02:42:09.656
counselors.

02:42:09.680 --> 02:42:12.616
No. Cool. Um, we've already had two

02:42:12.640 --> 02:42:15.640
speakers. Um, four, one against. Do we

02:42:15.680 --> 02:42:17.096
have any other one against? No. So,

02:42:17.120 --> 02:42:18.216
I have I have a question.

02:42:18.240 --> 02:42:20.216
Yes, you may. Council P. uh to councellor

02:42:20.240 --> 02:42:21.896
Isa's point because I was there in the

02:42:21.920 --> 02:42:23.896
last term of council I do want to find

02:42:23.920 --> 02:42:25.256
out how many strategies have been

02:42:25.280 --> 02:42:28.280
approved um and how many strategies I

02:42:28.560 --> 02:42:30.776
think I think you lord may as lord mayor

02:42:30.800 --> 02:42:33.016
of this City now is beneficiary of

02:42:33.040 --> 02:42:35.016
cutting cutting those ribbons uh which

02:42:35.040 --> 02:42:37.016
we plan which we

02:42:37.040 --> 02:42:38.375
you cut

02:42:38.399 --> 02:42:40.216
you cut five you cut the building we're

02:42:40.240 --> 02:42:42.455
in now please talk about cutting you

02:42:42.479 --> 02:42:43.176
can't pack

02:42:43.200 --> 02:42:45.256
but but I did lord may I did ask this

02:42:45.280 --> 02:42:47.816
question just last week to the staff

02:42:47.840 --> 02:42:50.840
that if we can have And I think uh um uh

02:42:50.960 --> 02:42:53.256
I I get you know I can't keep track of

02:42:53.280 --> 02:42:55.096
how many strategies we have approved and

02:42:55.120 --> 02:42:57.176
frameworks we have approved. Um so I've

02:42:57.200 --> 02:43:00.136
asked staff last week to have a list of

02:43:00.160 --> 02:43:01.816
all the strategies that we have approved

02:43:01.840 --> 02:43:03.415
in the this term and previous term of

02:43:03.439 --> 02:43:05.896
council in a spreadsheet so we can slice

02:43:05.920 --> 02:43:07.816
and dice and see what's funded what's

02:43:07.840 --> 02:43:10.056
not funded. So it's a good point. Um but

02:43:10.080 --> 02:43:13.080
I think um that's what we do. We start

02:43:13.200 --> 02:43:15.576
with the strategy work and then we find

02:43:15.600 --> 02:43:17.736
the money and then someone else comes up

02:43:17.760 --> 02:43:20.216
and cuts the ribbon.

02:43:20.240 --> 02:43:21.415
You're very welcome.

02:43:21.439 --> 02:43:23.415
Thank you, councellor. Look, I just

02:43:23.439 --> 02:43:24.936
wanted to clarify the question that

02:43:24.960 --> 02:43:27.576
councellor Greenwood asked in regards to

02:43:27.600 --> 02:43:29.976
um option B1 in regards to increasing

02:43:30.000 --> 02:43:31.256
minimum residential rate. And to the

02:43:31.280 --> 02:43:33.335
CEO's response, I can understand that

02:43:33.359 --> 02:43:36.359
maybe one um and three are to rebalance

02:43:37.040 --> 02:43:40.040
in it, but options two, four, five, and

02:43:40.080 --> 02:43:43.080
six do not have that. Options 2 4 5 are

02:43:43.439 --> 02:43:45.176
clearly

02:43:45.200 --> 02:43:48.200
revenue raising options. That's actually

02:43:48.399 --> 02:43:50.216
what the wording says in there. It

02:43:50.240 --> 02:43:52.136
clearly says and the impact that

02:43:52.160 --> 02:43:54.375
retaining the additional income

02:43:54.399 --> 02:43:57.335
attaining additional income refers to

02:43:57.359 --> 02:43:59.415
charging more to generate additional

02:43:59.439 --> 02:44:01.255
income. I get the point for one and

02:44:01.279 --> 02:44:03.496
three. I'm not going to disagree. But

02:44:03.520 --> 02:44:06.136
two, four, five and six are completely

02:44:06.160 --> 02:44:07.976
different. Just wanted to make that

02:44:08.000 --> 02:44:09.576
statement just to clarify.

02:44:09.600 --> 02:44:11.016
One further question. Yes.

02:44:11.040 --> 02:44:12.295
Wouldn't you think it would be good

02:44:12.319 --> 02:44:14.375
financial management to consider all

02:44:14.399 --> 02:44:16.375
options?

02:44:16.399 --> 02:44:18.696
Um, council, might he provide an

02:44:18.720 --> 02:44:21.720
opinion? Um, I'm here to provide

02:44:22.000 --> 02:44:22.936
my views.

02:44:22.960 --> 02:44:24.856
Wouldn't you think you'd asked these

02:44:24.880 --> 02:44:27.880
questions before we adopted the budget?

02:44:28.800 --> 02:44:30.616
Council has his

02:44:30.640 --> 02:44:31.816
No, he has. You're right, Council

02:44:31.840 --> 02:44:32.856
Proive. That's why I'm not going to

02:44:32.880 --> 02:44:34.375
allow him to speak anymore.

02:44:34.399 --> 02:44:35.896
So, what we're going to do now, we've

02:44:35.920 --> 02:44:38.920
had speakers one, so two for one

02:44:39.120 --> 02:44:40.136
against. We're going to now have a right

02:44:40.160 --> 02:44:42.856
of reply from council French.

02:44:42.880 --> 02:44:45.176
Thank you, Lord Mayor. Um, as I

02:44:45.200 --> 02:44:47.335
mentioned earlier, this motion has come

02:44:47.359 --> 02:44:49.576
in response to the information that was

02:44:49.600 --> 02:44:52.295
presented as part of that process, hence

02:44:52.319 --> 02:44:54.776
the timing and it is looking at options

02:44:54.800 --> 02:44:57.800
to address our the gaps in our long-term

02:44:58.160 --> 02:45:00.936
financial plan. Uh, I just want to

02:45:00.960 --> 02:45:03.255
re-emphasize this is calling for a

02:45:03.279 --> 02:45:06.279
report on our rate space. I fully

02:45:06.800 --> 02:45:08.536
believe this should come to a council

02:45:08.560 --> 02:45:11.560
briefing for us to discuss and debate.

02:45:11.600 --> 02:45:13.976
It does not prevent us from considering

02:45:14.000 --> 02:45:17.000
other options for addressing these gaps.

02:45:17.520 --> 02:45:20.520
Um I in fact welcome other noms, other

02:45:21.840 --> 02:45:24.840
ideas, other options. uh because I

02:45:24.880 --> 02:45:27.656
believe that it is our responsibility to

02:45:27.680 --> 02:45:29.576
ensure that we are at least considering

02:45:29.600 --> 02:45:32.216
all of our options to meet the demands

02:45:32.240 --> 02:45:35.240
of our rapidly growing community and to

02:45:35.600 --> 02:45:38.600
address these gaps in our funding and

02:45:39.200 --> 02:45:41.415
our long-term financial plan. So I ask

02:45:41.439 --> 02:45:44.375
my fellow counselors to support the

02:45:44.399 --> 02:45:47.399
process of gathering information, having

02:45:48.720 --> 02:45:51.255
the best possible information at our

02:45:51.279 --> 02:45:54.279
hands to make a decision on how we can

02:45:54.640 --> 02:45:56.536
work together to address these gaps

02:45:56.560 --> 02:45:58.936
moving forward. Thank you.

02:45:58.960 --> 02:46:00.936
Okay. Thanks, councellor. Um I'll put the

02:46:00.960 --> 02:46:03.960
motion. Um all those in favor

02:46:04.720 --> 02:46:07.720
raise your hand just to clarify.

02:46:08.720 --> 02:46:11.720
Okay, that's um eight.

02:46:14.000 --> 02:46:15.176
Yeah, that's going to be recorded.

02:46:15.200 --> 02:46:18.200
Council, those against

02:46:20.960 --> 02:46:23.415
uh motion carried.

02:46:23.439 --> 02:46:26.439
Thank you.

02:46:33.760 --> 02:46:36.216
Now we've got 2529. councellor Price's

02:46:36.240 --> 02:46:37.255
motion.

02:46:37.279 --> 02:46:38.696
Thank you.

02:46:38.720 --> 02:46:40.936
Lord Mayor, the the motion is against

02:46:40.960 --> 02:46:43.576
with seven. They said five in the

02:46:43.600 --> 02:46:45.896
recorded incorrectly.

02:46:45.920 --> 02:46:48.920
It's 6 a.m. 8 to 6.

02:46:51.120 --> 02:46:53.816
No, 8 to 6. There's 14 of us in the

02:46:53.840 --> 02:46:54.936
room.

02:46:54.960 --> 02:46:56.375
I don't know. What do you want to talk

02:46:56.399 --> 02:46:57.896
about?

02:46:57.920 --> 02:46:59.736
You talk about anything you want. Are we

02:46:59.760 --> 02:47:02.616
ready, L? Very good,

02:47:02.640 --> 02:47:05.640
council. Uh Lord Mayor, this um

02:47:06.479 --> 02:47:09.479
this uh N is Hamilton cottage and

02:47:09.520 --> 02:47:11.656
surrounds proposal for national heritage

02:47:11.680 --> 02:47:14.295
listing. The motion is that council

02:47:14.319 --> 02:47:16.375
grant land owners consent for Hamilton

02:47:16.399 --> 02:47:18.936
cottage to be included in a collective

02:47:18.960 --> 02:47:21.960
nomination national heritage.

02:47:22.240 --> 02:47:24.056
the distinct to comprise Hamilton

02:47:24.080 --> 02:47:26.776
cottage at Elizabeth Farm, Experiment

02:47:26.800 --> 02:47:29.800
Farm and Clay Creek to include achieve

02:47:30.399 --> 02:47:32.616
inclusion on the Australian National

02:47:32.640 --> 02:47:34.136
Heritage

02:47:34.160 --> 02:47:36.056
list.

02:47:36.080 --> 02:47:38.776
Um

02:47:38.800 --> 02:47:41.496
Lloyd May Elizabeth Farm and Hamlin

02:47:41.520 --> 02:47:43.496
Cottage were part of the MacArthur

02:47:43.520 --> 02:47:45.016
estate.

02:47:45.040 --> 02:47:48.040
experiment farm as we know it uh was um

02:47:50.800 --> 02:47:53.016
the surgeon Harris, but James Roose

02:47:53.040 --> 02:47:56.040
owned the land and it was actually the

02:47:56.160 --> 02:47:59.016
first land grant and he was the first

02:47:59.040 --> 02:48:02.040
farmer in the colony to s sustain his

02:48:02.880 --> 02:48:05.880
farm and he was also a man of principle

02:48:06.240 --> 02:48:09.096
because he refused to sell experiment

02:48:09.120 --> 02:48:11.096
farm to MacArthur because MacArthur was

02:48:11.120 --> 02:48:13.496
rude to his wife.

02:48:13.520 --> 02:48:16.520
So council and council actually owns the

02:48:16.640 --> 02:48:18.856
land that James Roose's cottage once

02:48:18.880 --> 02:48:20.776
stood.

02:48:20.800 --> 02:48:23.736
Um these three cottages should be used

02:48:23.760 --> 02:48:25.896
should be part of the national estate

02:48:25.920 --> 02:48:27.736
because together they tell the story of

02:48:27.760 --> 02:48:30.216
early settlement. But there is also an

02:48:30.240 --> 02:48:33.240
untold story in this area about

02:48:33.520 --> 02:48:36.520
aboriginal custodianship of the area and

02:48:36.880 --> 02:48:39.176
particularly Claycliffe Creek is really

02:48:39.200 --> 02:48:41.816
important to these three cottages

02:48:41.840 --> 02:48:44.056
because it was the water source for

02:48:44.080 --> 02:48:46.536
farming and domestic use for the

02:48:46.560 --> 02:48:49.560
cottages. That's all.

02:48:55.200 --> 02:48:56.375
Um, councellor Vger.

02:48:56.399 --> 02:48:58.216
Yeah. Uh, thank you, Lord May. I just

02:48:58.240 --> 02:49:00.136
have a question to ask through you, Lord

02:49:00.160 --> 02:49:03.160
Mayor, to the um planning officer. Um,

02:49:03.600 --> 02:49:06.216
can I just ask a question? Could um you

02:49:06.240 --> 02:49:08.616
just explain for me the planning

02:49:08.640 --> 02:49:11.335
implications of this notices of motion

02:49:11.359 --> 02:49:14.056
specifically relating to any state

02:49:14.080 --> 02:49:16.616
specific um developments or adjoining

02:49:16.640 --> 02:49:19.640
commercial or um community um buildings.

02:49:21.040 --> 02:49:22.455
Thank you.

02:49:22.479 --> 02:49:24.455
Um through you Lord Mayor it's premature

02:49:24.479 --> 02:49:26.136
for me to provide any advice on the

02:49:26.160 --> 02:49:28.136
planning implications because we don't

02:49:28.160 --> 02:49:29.415
have a full understanding of what

02:49:29.439 --> 02:49:30.696
actually is being proposed in the

02:49:30.720 --> 02:49:33.335
listing. We've had advice from um the

02:49:33.359 --> 02:49:35.415
federal government department uh the

02:49:35.439 --> 02:49:38.439
department of climate change, energy,

02:49:38.479 --> 02:49:40.536
environment and water um and their

02:49:40.560 --> 02:49:41.896
advice is they're undertaking an

02:49:41.920 --> 02:49:43.896
assessment and then we'll undertake a

02:49:43.920 --> 02:49:45.816
consultation process with council. It's

02:49:45.840 --> 02:49:47.415
at that point in time that we'll have

02:49:47.439 --> 02:49:49.496
information on the nature of the listing

02:49:49.520 --> 02:49:50.936
and then we can provide you advice on

02:49:50.960 --> 02:49:53.960
what the planning implications are.

02:49:54.160 --> 02:49:56.776
All right. Thank you,

02:49:56.800 --> 02:49:58.295
Council Green.

02:49:58.319 --> 02:50:01.016
Thank you, Lord Mayor. Uh, I rise to

02:50:01.040 --> 02:50:03.415
support this motion. I find it hard to

02:50:03.439 --> 02:50:05.816
think that there is anything more

02:50:05.840 --> 02:50:08.536
significant in New South Wales than

02:50:08.560 --> 02:50:10.696
these particular three places. They were

02:50:10.720 --> 02:50:13.496
home to our original

02:50:13.520 --> 02:50:16.520
um, food supply. They were the basis of

02:50:17.040 --> 02:50:19.096
growing the marino industry, although I

02:50:19.120 --> 02:50:21.576
know that happened out of K pasta road.

02:50:21.600 --> 02:50:24.600
Um, they're really fundamental to the

02:50:24.640 --> 02:50:26.776
colonial history of Australia. And I

02:50:26.800 --> 02:50:29.496
think that supporting giving land over

02:50:29.520 --> 02:50:32.295
to consent for these to have na national

02:50:32.319 --> 02:50:35.255
heritage is just

02:50:35.279 --> 02:50:37.335
I I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't do

02:50:37.359 --> 02:50:39.576
it.

02:50:39.600 --> 02:50:40.936
Thanks councellor. I'll now put that

02:50:40.960 --> 02:50:43.335
motion to vote. All those in favor I.

02:50:43.359 --> 02:50:45.736
Anyone against? No. Carried unanimously.

02:50:45.760 --> 02:50:47.976
Um questions. Okay. Councellors all

02:50:48.000 --> 02:50:49.576
questions with notice reports with

02:50:49.600 --> 02:50:50.536
answers have been published in the

02:50:50.560 --> 02:50:52.056
agenda and are taken as read.

02:50:52.080 --> 02:50:53.496
Councellors, all questions taken on

02:50:53.520 --> 02:50:54.856
notice reported answers have been

02:50:54.880 --> 02:50:56.136
published in the agenda and taken as

02:50:56.160 --> 02:50:57.976
read. At this point of the meeting,

02:50:58.000 --> 02:50:59.176
we'll move into a close session

02:50:59.200 --> 02:51:01.176
accordance with section 10A of the local

02:51:01.200 --> 02:51:03.096
government act

02:51:03.120 --> 02:51:05.335
1993. The council enter into close

02:51:05.359 --> 02:51:08.359
session to discuss the following item

02:51:08.560 --> 02:51:11.176
FP625-5

02:51:11.200 --> 02:51:12.616
property strategy. Did we already vote

02:51:12.640 --> 02:51:13.736
on that one?

02:51:13.760 --> 02:51:16.455
Yes. that this report is confidential in

02:51:16.479 --> 02:51:18.616
accordance to section 10 A23 of the

02:51:18.640 --> 02:51:20.216
local government act as the report

02:51:20.240 --> 02:51:21.496
contains information that would have

02:51:21.520 --> 02:51:23.656
disclosed confer commercial advantage on

02:51:23.680 --> 02:51:25.576
a person with whom the council's

02:51:25.600 --> 02:51:28.056
conducting or proposes to conduct

02:51:28.080 --> 02:51:29.415
business and that in accordance section

02:51:29.439 --> 02:51:31.176
10D is considered that the matter were

02:51:31.200 --> 02:51:32.856
discussed in an open session council

02:51:32.880 --> 02:51:35.255
session it would on balance be contrary

02:51:35.279 --> 02:51:36.375
to the public interest as it's

02:51:36.399 --> 02:51:38.136
information that would be disclosed

02:51:38.160 --> 02:51:39.656
confer a commercial advantage on a

02:51:39.680 --> 02:51:40.856
person with whom the councils are

02:51:40.880 --> 02:51:42.776
conducting business accordingly members

02:51:42.800 --> 02:51:44.136
of the press and public are excluded

02:51:44.160 --> 02:51:45.816
from close session and access to the

02:51:45.840 --> 02:51:47.496
correspondence and reports relating to

02:51:47.520 --> 02:51:48.696
the items considered during the course

02:51:48.720 --> 02:51:50.136
of the closed session will be withheld.

02:51:50.160 --> 02:51:51.736
I'll ask the CE if there have been any

02:51:51.760 --> 02:51:53.255
representations of objections from the

02:51:53.279 --> 02:51:53.816
public.

02:51:53.840 --> 02:51:55.096
No, Lord May.

02:51:55.120 --> 02:51:57.176
Count councellor Ella.

02:51:57.200 --> 02:51:58.455
Lord M. I'm happy to move it but can I

02:51:58.479 --> 02:52:00.295
also ask for a 10-minute comfort break?

02:52:00.319 --> 02:52:02.295
Okay. So, council can I just one item

02:52:02.319 --> 02:52:03.496
will be done in

02:52:03.520 --> 02:52:05.816
we got people off quum.

02:52:05.840 --> 02:52:08.136
We have quorum. It'll be question isn't

02:52:08.160 --> 02:52:10.536
it? Council, can I move can I have a

02:52:10.560 --> 02:52:12.136
move and second of the procedural motion

02:52:12.160 --> 02:52:13.415
that is required to move into close

02:52:13.439 --> 02:52:15.415
session? Move council press second

02:52:15.439 --> 02:52:18.439
council pelamari. All those in favor I

02:52:19.040 --> 02:52:20.216
carry for the members of the public and

02:52:20.240 --> 02:52:21.656
the press live streaming will cease and

02:52:21.680 --> 02:52:22.936
resume following the confidential

02:52:22.960 --> 02:52:24.696
session of council. Once the items are

02:52:24.720 --> 02:52:25.816
addressed, the live stream will

02:52:25.840 --> 02:52:27.016
recommence and the resolutions will

02:52:27.040 --> 02:52:28.455
occur in close session will be

02:52:28.479 --> 02:52:31.479
confirmed.

02:52:32.479 --> 02:52:35.479
Meeting return to open session at 9:38.

02:52:37.359 --> 02:52:39.096
Uh

02:52:39.120 --> 02:52:40.455
procedural consideration of

02:52:40.479 --> 02:52:42.856
recommendation from close session that

02:52:42.880 --> 02:52:44.616
the Can I get a motion that the

02:52:44.640 --> 02:52:46.216
recommendation from the close session in

02:52:46.240 --> 02:52:48.936
item

02:52:48.960 --> 02:52:51.576
255 of this meeting be received and

02:52:51.600 --> 02:52:53.176
noted as a resolution of council without

02:52:53.200 --> 02:52:56.200
any alteration or amendment thereto

02:52:56.319 --> 02:52:57.816
move councellor Pandey seconded councel

02:52:57.840 --> 02:53:00.840
raff all those in favor I against no

02:53:00.880 --> 02:53:03.816
carried unanimously now ask CEO to read

02:53:03.840 --> 02:53:06.840
aloud the resolution

02:53:07.760 --> 02:53:10.136
Thank you, Lord Mayor. In regard to item

02:53:10.160 --> 02:53:12.936
FPG C25-5,

02:53:12.960 --> 02:53:14.856
adoption of the City of Parramatta property

02:53:14.880 --> 02:53:17.880
strategy 2025 to 2035,

02:53:18.000 --> 02:53:19.896
council resolved a that council adopt

02:53:19.920 --> 02:53:22.216
the City of Parramatta property strategy

02:53:22.240 --> 02:53:25.240
25-35 provided at attachment one. B. The

02:53:25.600 --> 02:53:27.016
council note the strategic sites

02:53:27.040 --> 02:53:29.096
redevelopment program outlining the

02:53:29.120 --> 02:53:31.096
immediate and longerterm priorities and

02:53:31.120 --> 02:53:34.120
allocate an additional $250,000 peranom

02:53:34.160 --> 02:53:35.816
from the property reserve in financial

02:53:35.840 --> 02:53:38.840
year 2526 until financial year 2728 for

02:53:39.439 --> 02:53:40.936
the implementation of the program and

02:53:40.960 --> 02:53:43.016
the action plan. C that council delegate

02:53:43.040 --> 02:53:45.016
authority to the CEO to make any minor

02:53:45.040 --> 02:53:46.216
amendments and corrections of a

02:53:46.240 --> 02:53:48.295
non-policy and administrative nature

02:53:48.319 --> 02:53:49.976
that may arise during the finalization

02:53:50.000 --> 02:53:51.335
process relating to the property

02:53:51.359 --> 02:53:53.335
strategy. D the council delegate

02:53:53.359 --> 02:53:55.016
authority to the CEO to prepare a

02:53:55.040 --> 02:53:57.176
public-f facing version of the property

02:53:57.200 --> 02:53:58.616
strategy that removes commercially

02:53:58.640 --> 02:54:00.536
sensitive and/or confidential content

02:54:00.560 --> 02:54:02.776
for publication on council's website. E

02:54:02.800 --> 02:54:04.216
that quarterly updates on the progress

02:54:04.240 --> 02:54:05.736
of the implementation of the action plan

02:54:05.760 --> 02:54:07.176
be provided to council as part of the

02:54:07.200 --> 02:54:10.200
QBRS process commencing quarter 1 2526.

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Further that the first report outlines

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the road map, specific time frame and

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cost estimates of the action plan. Thank

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you Lord me.

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There be no further business of the

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general declare the meeting closed at

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9:39. Thanks, councils.