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welcome to tonight's ordinary council

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meeting of the City of Parramatta I

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declare the meeting open at 6:37

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the City of Parramatta Council

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acknowledges the Burramattagal People of

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the Dharug Nation as traditional owners of

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land and pays its respects to their

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ancient culture into their Elders past

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present and emerging this council

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from the meeting councilors do we have

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any apologies for this evening's meeting

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not at this point so we'll proceed

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we don't have anyone attending that

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we're aware of via audio visual means

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either so we'll also move on can I seek

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confirmation of the minutes from the

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ordinary meeting held on the 12th of May

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move councelor Ellard seconded councelor

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Raffoul all those in favour aye anyone against

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no adopted

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disclosure of interest

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councilors i have a disclosure as I did

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in the last meeting in regards to agenda

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item OCM25-18

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report title councilled planning

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proposal rezoning of land and Hill Road

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it's a non-pecuniary  but

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significant reason being I was a member

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of the Sydney City Central Planning

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Panel a number of years ago when this

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matter was previously considered i'll as

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I did previously step aside any further

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concessions

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we've got sorry declarations councelor

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Ellard sorry Lord Mayor  I have a

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non pecuniary

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conflict with AI sorry for

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excuse me com2512 report the cases

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infrastructure

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operations agenda item AIC25-14

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in that of one of the grant recipients

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is my daughter's school thank you

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council any further disclosures no we'll

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move on Lord Mayoral Minute

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councilors we've got my first Lord

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Mayoral Minute the Camellia of Rosehill

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precinct master plan second councelor

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Issa now councilors  we all know that

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recently there was a decision made in

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relation to the Rosehill Racecourse as

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I've said from day one it's a decision

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to be have to be made by the ATC and its

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members and they've made that decision

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and we respect or I respect that

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decision what I'm calling for today is a

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council's endorsement for an advocacy to

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guide the transformation of the

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Camellia Rosehill precinct into a

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world class model City district

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as many of you know that in our 2050

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vision we've ear marked Camellia

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Rosehill precinct as a model City

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district this council also back in

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February 2018

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made very well or made a number of

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comments to this to the department of

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plan in relation to a master plan they

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had back then in the last couple of

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years was also place strategy that the

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department of plan has put forward

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essentially what we are trying to say

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here to the state government is the

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decision of Rosehill members or the ATC

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does not take you off the hook from

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building a metro station in Rosehill

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there is enough land surrounding

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Rosehill Racecourse specifically the

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Camellia precinct one that is currently

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on the website of the Department of

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Planning as a place strategy that we

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need to collaborate council and the

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Department of Planning and the state

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government this cannot be a lost

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opportunity for up to 10,000 dwellings

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as well as over 15,400

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jobs around this precinct

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this is something that this chamber

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should be pushing for it has been on the

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radar for the last seven or eight years

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it is something that was put aside

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pending the decision of Rosehill

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raceourse the members have spoken we

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respect that decision i'll say it again

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we now need to move on we need to have

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that metro investment we need to

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futureproof Camellia Rosehill we

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cannot wait for another 5 years or 10

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years cuz that will be too expensive to

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do it then it needs to be done now so I

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ask that this chamber supports this Lord

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Mayoral Minute

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councilor Prociv

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have you read the amendment Lord Mayor

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I missed it okay Lord Mayor this is a

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really important thing and  you know

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the original precinct was

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proposed as a model City  and it had

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green manufacturing and

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housing entertainment precinct and it

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was it it was environmental sustainable

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 the Rosehill racecourse proposal as

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it was stood  a few years back

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actually drew attention to the fact that

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that it is possible for this site to be

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a lot more than was proposed in the

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original strategy and the vote by the

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members has offered the opportunity to

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progress that even further because the a

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new   plan for this site would

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actually create a precinct that

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incorporated a major

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 world class racetrack we could have

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large swades of community green space

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that would not be available

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without the raceourse being included

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into the precinct and

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and also to to actually support these

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things we need a metro station this

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metro station is essential to support

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new development the development that's

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going to occur in that precinct and it

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was in essential for the original

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Rosehill Camellia Rosehill plan but

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it's absolutely if there is such an

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expression more essential  for for

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this one because there the amount of

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interest the amount of building the

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amount of people coming onto the site

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just the amount of use with the

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racetrack with the  residential things

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that are being built with the proposals

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to put in  worldclass entertainment

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precincts thinks this is to be a model

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City it's not just a  place where

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there's going to be a lot of residential

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and that's it   it's going to be a City

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within a City within our City and we are

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a global City and we are a great City

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and all great cities have great public

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transport and this this metro station

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which is why we're asking the government

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to put it in because it is part of a

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great City infrastructure network that

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is necessary not only for the growth of

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Parramatta but for the growth of Western

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Sydney  so I mean I could go on and on

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about this but  thank you Lord Mayor

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for bringing this to the chamber and for

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accepting my amendments thank you thank

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you councelor Deputy Lord Mayor councelor

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MacLean thank you Lord Mayor and I'll be

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brief what was the amendment was the

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amendment

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it's already been incorporated

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i just want to get up to support you

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Lord Mayor in your endeavor on this and I

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quite agree with your sentiments that

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what's transpired with the ATC is not a

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full stop it is a comma in the building

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of this City's future and  it's

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essential that we have you know that

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station box down there we all know that

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you know that the tunnel boring is

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occurring and if they go past they won't

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be doubling back you know this is really

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the juncture that this decision has to

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be made because even with  what's

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transpired at the ATC there is still

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huge opportunity for density on this

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precinct and of course this conversation

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in so many ways is circular you know you

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can't have infrastructure without

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density and you can't have density

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without infrastructure you know in order

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to support these two attributes that

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will occur down here we need that

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station box and I would encourage and

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urge  you know those who have the

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power to make this decision to to have

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foresight to look into the future as to

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what will occur in this just one only

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needs to look at the location of this

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precinct to realize its future potential

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and success on the cusp of Parramatta as it

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is on the cusp of our global City so

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echoing the articulate sentiments of

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yourself Lord Mayor and councelor Prociv

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I would like to also support this and

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support the inclusion of a station box

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on this site thank you Lord Mayor

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 Thank you Lord Mayor  obviously

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I support the motion i just got a quick

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question through you to the relevant

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officer lord Mayor it says in C advocate

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that New South Wales government commit

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to a councilled collaborative precinct

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planning process

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are we asking for the money if it's

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going to be councilled

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through me to Rob

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through you Lord Mayor the first step of

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course would be to agree to a

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collaborative process and as part of

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those negotiations around how that would

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run we'd expect there'd be some

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contribution from both parties towards

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the the plan being prepared so should do

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we need to make that explicit or do we

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take it that the staff had their writing

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instructions

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I'll take it that the staff ask for 100%

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councilor Ng

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I just like to put on the my support for

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this Lord Mayoral minute and that we do need

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more better public transport

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especially in the Rosehill Ward one of

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the Parramatta is one of the fastest

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growing cities and the Rosehill Ward is

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one of the fastest growing wards in New

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South Wales in terms of a geographical

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location  this is the right time to

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install to  to plan for the station

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box whether it is between Olivia Park

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or the Parramatta Metro there needs to be

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one and I think this is a great location

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at the Rosehill  location and that we

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work with the state government on this

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and that unlike previous state

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governments that they deliver

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infrastructure too late too little now

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is the time that we're looking at having

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to have more residents in  the City of

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Parramatta that we do that we that we do

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plan early and that we have this re

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infrastructure ready for residents that

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want to come and live in our City thank

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you

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thank you council's put it to a vote no

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further speakers all those in favor aye I

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anyone against no voting unanimously

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councilors we now move on to my second

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Lord Mayoral minute the CBD South Parramatta

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precinct master plan

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councilors there comes a time where a

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chamber needs to be forward thinking

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have vision

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and take calculated risks

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we haven't come this far to just come

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this far

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and just like our predecessors some 20

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years ago made the difficult decision to

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knock down the council chamber the

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council library and the community center

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in order to see a vision to the future

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for Parramatta Square

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we are now enjoying the fruits and the

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benefits of those calculated risks that

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were taken 20 odd years ago

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so councilors what I'm calling on today

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is this chamber

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in previous terms has made various

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decisions for land acquisitions and

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other things in and around the Parramatta

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CBD

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and one thing that I have learned is

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that in order to get things done you

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need to expedite things in the right way

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and now that we have successfully

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delivered Parramatta Square 1 I think that

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it is an opportune time for this chamber

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to consider what options it has to

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consider south of the Paramedic Rail

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Line north of Parramatta Rail Line you got

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Parramatta Square 1 there is an opportunity

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for us to consider a master plan to

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deliver greater public benefit and

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greater public good and that is what I'm

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doing here counselors

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being the open and transparent Lord

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Mayor that I am I could easily have

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tried to push this through other means

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but rather than doing so I am out here

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seeking your support to take a

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calculated risk and support me and put

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your trust in what this chamber is

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trying to do based on his predecessor's

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decisions ch counselors from 2017 to 21

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and also decisions made from those

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counselors in this room from 21 to 24

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nothing happens in this council by

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chance nothing happens by accident

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paramatter is a City second to none

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in order to ensure that we continue and

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amplify

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that growth and that potential we cannot

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take a backward step in moving forward

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and that is why councils I've spoken to

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our staff and I have gone back over the

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last seven or eight years of a number of

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decisions this chamber has done and I

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feel that now is the time some may say

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why this ahead of others well I'll be

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clear everything that I see that happens

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in this CBD to drive us to end up being

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the global City that I know that we can

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be needs to start somewhere you need to

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plant the seed and what I'm doing here

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counselors is I'm planting that seed we

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have an opportunity for a precinct

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between the railway line Grey Wiston

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Highway in the south in the west

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Okonnell Street and on the east railway

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line again it is quite clear it is not a

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major precinct but is an important one

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one within the endorsed CBD planning

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proposal that was endorsed by this

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chamber in 2023

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and one based on decisions that have

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been made historically in relation to as

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I said to land acquisitions so

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counselors why do you not join me on

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this journey support our staff put

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forward a master plan to see what is the

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best and highest use of this precinct to

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deliver for our community to diversify

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our offering and this in my opinion is

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the best way to move forward put the

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motion to you counselors council deputy

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lord Mayor thank you Lord Mayor and

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while I admire your sentiments and  as

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you talk of the growth of Parramatta and

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its opportunity and what it might be and

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what it is rapidly becoming with

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reference to things like Parramatta Square

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and the extraordinary success of that I

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think we must remember that of course we

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do not do this in a vacuum you know we

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are right now in the process of

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prosecuting things like the property

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strategy where we will in time highlight

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particular projects that are in need of

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investigation you know that will also

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aid the future growth of our City but

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more than that I think what we're

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talking about here and you know what

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you've just alluded to  are grand

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plans and I don't mean that in a

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negative sense they are you know good

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aspirations for our City but I think in

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so doing and in given the scale of what

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you what it is you propose what it is

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you hope to achieve I think we need to

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do this in a decidedly considered

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fashion and that's not to say that we

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and that I don't believe there's

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potential  in that section of

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parameter or that there won't be

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necessary growth there but I do believe

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that we should be observing process and

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procedure  as well as we might i mean

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if we are to do this as you say we want

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to do this as best as we can and take

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the community with us i think we really

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do need to be cautious  of how we

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undertake this and ensure that we do it

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right and notwithstanding the potential

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benefits that stem from wanting to

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advance his precinct  we have to

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remember that we are a City of course of

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wards and neighborhoods and it's never

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just a question of how our City changes

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City itself changes it's a question of

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how our neighborhood changes and I'm

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concerned and it's certainly a view

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expressed  by residents you know the

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co who live in the City you know they

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are concerned that you know so much

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transpires in City of parameter and not

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enough outside and I believe that we owe

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it to them to be considered about this

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this work does need to be done but in

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answering your direct sentiment  as to

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whether it needs to be done right Now at

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this meeting  we've somewhat minimal

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consultation i'm not convinced that it

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does and in so doing I seek to move a

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point of order which is 9.11

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which is regards Lord Mal minutes and

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how they may be used and you will know

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that they can't be achieved they cannot

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be used for things that are otherwise

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routine not urgent or are so or of scale

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that they are deserve that they are of

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such complexity that they cannot be

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addressed in the Lord minute

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something of this nature could be

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fleshed out more readily in a nom at

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another time that I don't believe firmly

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that it procedurally is the best use of

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Lord mate it doesn't take away from the

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merit of what's seeking to be achieved

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and at what juncture but it does concern

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me  the way that we seek to achieve it

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at this point in time so I ask you that

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you rule on 9.11 and the suggestion what

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number not  9.11 of the code of

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meeting practice yes  code of conduct

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out of my concern that this is of

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sufficient complexity and has not been

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had due notice given to it i'd ask that

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you make a ruling

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council as you know my predecessors used

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to submit Lord Mur minutes literally in

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your lap as you sat here at 6:30

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i provide you guys with four days notice

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i have made it

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while I've done my best for all my Lord

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Mormons to come out to you on the Friday

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before a council meeting and considering

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that today is a Tuesday my Lord Mur was

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given to you on Friday you've had four

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days to consider it as I said previous

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members that sat in this chair

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never afforded you that same opportunity

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that I have there was a commitment that

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I made to this chamber to give you as

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much time as possible to consider any

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matters that may arise because I took

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that feedback on board you didn't come

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and talk to me till now or just before

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the meeting so if you did have an issue

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should have been raised now I did have a

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meeting with councelor Proceive she did

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raise with me some very very valid

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concern in relation she wanted me to

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clarify the actual boundaries of the

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precinct we didn't want to mix the CBD

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south with South Parramatta i wanted to be

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clear it's not South Parramatta CBD South

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Parramatta i've done that i've included the

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paragraph C in the updated Lord Mar was

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published a couple of hours ago to

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address that concern because I think it

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was a very valid concern so councelor I

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will ask CEO

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sorry

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Can I talk before you do that no I need

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to Are you to ask you or throw me to you

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council thank you thank you council can

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I No I just want to pull a court point

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let me try that again a point of order

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on our deputy lord Mayor who I assume

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should know better i'll refer him to 9.7

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lord Mayor and I'll read verbatim for

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you Deputy Lord May perhaps  we can

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treat this as an education um Lord May

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Lord May this is irrelevant asked for a

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ruling which means you should make one

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council is should not be on his feet

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subject matter that's an appreciate it

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you've tried to use you've tried to use

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a code of meeting practice incorrectly

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you make a ruling i'll treat I'll treat

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I'll read it to you verbatim counselor

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the Lord May put to the meeting without

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notice any matter do you want me to

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repeat that again any matter or topic

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that is in within the jurisdiction of

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the council this is within the

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jurisdiction and it is any matter now

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I'm going to go to 911 which you refer

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to as  the Lord May's breaching i'm

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going to read 911 to you and perhaps

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if you need me to draw a diagram I will

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 the Lord May or Minute must not be

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used to put without notice any matters

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that are routine and not urgent this is

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not all routine and not urgent this is

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neither routine nor is it  nor is it

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urgent but these things are ands not ors

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so is the matter routine and not urgent

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the answer is no so 71 911 doesn't apply

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so perhaps before you get up and

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grandstand you can make an

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interpretation that's relevant keep

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reading thank you counselor um

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nonetheless based on based on the advice

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that I've been given by the staff who

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assisted me in dRaffoulting this motion I do

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call it within order and I will now move

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to council to process i would like to

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move consent Lord May from your ruler

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says all matters for the proper notice

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should be given because of their

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complexity he's given your notice he's

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got a lord minute council's one meeting

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council Prociv

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council my client i would like to move

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descent from your ruling lord may

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you can do that lord move

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well I've given you quite sufficient

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notice lord may and aired my concerns in

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accordial fashion prior meeting advised

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that there would be opportune to put

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this perhaps another time you can vote

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against the motion secretary ruling you

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can I'm happy to get a ruling from the

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from the CEO

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lord Mayor under the code of meeting

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practice the councelor can move without

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notice a motion to descent from the

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ruling of the chair on a question of

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order or a point of order  if that

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happens you must suspend the business

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before the council and take a vote on

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that motion of dissent can we get a

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ruling in relation to the point that he

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raised

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lord Mayor in regard to point 9  111

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 the critical thing is the lord me

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cannot without notice the lord may gave

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more than 3 days notice of the business

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council are you satisfied with so deputy

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lord may you satisfied with that answer

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from the last in so many ways lord may

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I'm happy with that but it doesn't

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preclude myself and others from merely

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voting this down so there's more than

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one is getting a cap i I I get it deputy

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lord i hope that you don't I hope that

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you see the vision that predecessors

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have done which I am supportive but

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councelor I deputy lord may I heard your

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views we'll move on to councelor pro

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 thank you lord mayor um yes I I

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actually sent you a text on Sunday

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asking if I could have a meeting with

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you to discuss those i rang your office

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this morning to ask if I could have a

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meeting this morning i was told you

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weren't available and we did have a

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meeting this afternoon at 4:00 3:00

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sorry yeah can I go back to 9.7 for a

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minute it says that um without notice

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any matter that is within the

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jurisdiction of the council of which

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council has official knowledge well I'm

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really sorry Lord Mayor but nobody knew

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about your plans until you and I sat in

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the u your office this afternoon and You

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worked out where the point of order lord

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me point of order lord me can perhaps I

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need to describe the difference between

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and and alls in this chamber any topic

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that is within the jurisd but I'm

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speaking and I it it's a point of order

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so you need to sit down

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that's what needs to happen if it's a

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point of order I'm calling a point of

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order any matter or topic that is within

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the jurisdiction of council or which the

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council has official knowledge and

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council I gave this to you on Friday so

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there was notice as

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days with respect we sat in your office

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this afternoon and I actually said my

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objection to this is manyfold but the

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main objection I have is that

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four counselors in this room four or

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five okay have knowledge of of the leap

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and what happened and planning the

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parameter north parameter south

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parameter

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leap

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maps

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and

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the the rest of them don't so I myself

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and half the population of the Rosehill

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ward who contacted me about this thought

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this was about South Parramatta as in the

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South Parramatta precinct that was excised

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from the LAP because of its historical

00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.960
value i was only um made aware of what

00:25:17.840 --> 00:25:19.976
it was when I went and sat in your

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:23.000
office and you actually explained to me

00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:26.120
which streets this affected so I would

00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.976
say to you nobody had any official

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.000
knowledge of this except maybe you

00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:35.255
because I had no official knowledge

00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.816
until I sat down with you at your desk

00:25:37.840 --> 00:25:40.456
and you told me which streets it was and

00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.255
I think it is objectionable that people

00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.816
are asked to vote on something that will

00:25:45.840 --> 00:25:48.456
become a council resolution when they

00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:51.336
don't have sufficient opportunity to sit

00:25:51.360 --> 00:25:54.360
down to look at maps to actually

00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.015
consider what they're voting on before

00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:00.039
it hits council this this final

00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.096
recommendation this minute that you have

00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:06.120
here actually was sent to me at about

00:26:06.159 --> 00:26:09.159
4:00 this afternoon i distribute it to

00:26:09.600 --> 00:26:11.655
to Labour counselors i don't know if

00:26:11.679 --> 00:26:14.679
anybody else got it so some people might

00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:16.775
be seeing this for the first time this

00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.799
will become a resolution of council this

00:26:19.840 --> 00:26:22.376
is not something to be sneezed at if you

00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:24.856
are going to vote on something yes or no

00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.176
you should it should be in the full

00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.056
knowledge of what you are voting on and

00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:32.775
if you don't know what it's about or you

00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:35.336
don't quite agree with it then you would

00:26:35.360 --> 00:26:38.360
be well advised to vote not to vote on

00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:42.056
it or to defer it or go and speak to

00:26:42.080 --> 00:26:44.376
someone and find out what it's about and

00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.775
if you haven't had that opportunity well

00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.799
then I encourage you to take it thank

00:26:49.840 --> 00:26:52.216
you counselor so just to clarify for the

00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.376
public the Lord Mural Minute that was

00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.336
put forward was very clear that within

00:26:57.360 --> 00:27:00.360
the CBD South Parramatta this council spent

00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.856
over a decade defining what the CBD was

00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.880
and council propha

00:27:06.159 --> 00:27:08.696
for historical reasons and other reasons

00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:10.535
the CBD

00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.696
is very clear there's a map that's been

00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.720
drawn for the last number of years and

00:27:15.760 --> 00:27:18.056
the boundaries of that are very clear my

00:27:18.080 --> 00:27:21.080
motion was also very clear the situated

00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.000
south of Parramatta train line the only

00:27:25.919 --> 00:27:28.856
areas within so you got the CBD and

00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.336
you've got

00:27:31.360 --> 00:27:34.216
Can I ask you a question yes is there a

00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:37.240
defined boundary within the parameter

00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.279
planning thing that says South Parramatta

00:27:41.600 --> 00:27:44.600
CBD counselor hence why not councelor

00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.816
you came to me wanting clarification I

00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:49.336
made it clear that my motion was talking

00:27:49.360 --> 00:27:52.056
about the CBD and the parameter CBD

00:27:52.080 --> 00:27:54.616
there's a map of what the CBD is and yes

00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.176
the boundary is great western highway as

00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.496
an example on the southern side it's

00:27:59.520 --> 00:28:01.736
something that's been publicly exhibited

00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:04.456
numerous occasions secondly my motion

00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.456
was clear south of the parameter train

00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.176
line so to me south of parameter train

00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.200
line and grow highway was clear however

00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:14.535
one counsel because no other council

00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.296
raised as an issue cuz I understood it

00:28:16.320 --> 00:28:18.296
because you raised it today and I

00:28:18.320 --> 00:28:19.895
apologize i didn't get your text message

00:28:19.919 --> 00:28:21.496
on Saturday you can check my phone i

00:28:21.520 --> 00:28:23.976
never got it you called this morning i

00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.336
made a meeting with you as soon as

00:28:25.360 --> 00:28:28.135
possible this afternoon i took your

00:28:28.159 --> 00:28:30.616
feedback on board i amended it i put

00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.336
into the boundaries to be clear can't be

00:28:33.360 --> 00:28:35.255
any clearer than that counselor we'll

00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.279
now move on to councelor Greenwood

00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:40.696
thank you

00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.616
turn myself off thank you Lord Mayer and

00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:44.135
thank you for the opportunity to speak

00:28:44.159 --> 00:28:46.856
i'd like to start by asking a couple of

00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.880
questions if I may um when I look at the

00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.559
map of the area on my phone 90% of it is

00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.000
Westfields in the cemetery so I I don't

00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.000
understand how we would have a town

00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.176
square in that area with Westfields

00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.200
covering most of the area

00:29:10.320 --> 00:29:11.816
i will wait for the staff to give us

00:29:11.840 --> 00:29:14.056
their master plan counselor it's a

00:29:14.080 --> 00:29:16.135
precinct and they will come back to us

00:29:16.159 --> 00:29:17.736
because as I've said this is not

00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:19.655
something that's been done today there's

00:29:19.679 --> 00:29:21.096
been decisions made of this chamber for

00:29:21.120 --> 00:29:23.655
the last 8 years it's led us to this

00:29:23.679 --> 00:29:25.255
point

00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:28.279
 a further question is um your motion

00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.015
doesn't talk about any consultation with

00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.336
the public on the master plan is your

00:29:33.360 --> 00:29:35.816
proposal to bring the master plan here

00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:37.736
to go on consultation to the public is

00:29:37.760 --> 00:29:39.416
that what you intend council 100% says

00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:41.255
to prepare a dRaffoult master plan nothing

00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.696
can be endorsed without going to public

00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.720
exhibition so yes 100%

00:29:45.919 --> 00:29:47.496
okay thank you i think I'll leave it at

00:29:47.520 --> 00:29:49.976
that thank you councelor councelor Pandy

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.000
welcome thank you Lord Mayor i'm I'm

00:29:53.679 --> 00:29:55.576
my apology for being late this is the

00:29:55.600 --> 00:29:57.015
first time in 8 years that I have been

00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.255
late to a council meeting and I was at

00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:01.096
place where I could not even message so

00:30:01.120 --> 00:30:03.736
my apologies it was  unexpected um

00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:06.456
Lord Mayor I was listening to the debate

00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.056
i think this is important matter and can

00:30:08.080 --> 00:30:09.895
I just  mention one thing that which

00:30:09.919 --> 00:30:11.255
you have which you have mentioned lord

00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.895
mayor that in the past all the lord may

00:30:13.919 --> 00:30:16.919
have not had given the opportunity to to

00:30:17.360 --> 00:30:20.360
um  to the counselors um the what you

00:30:21.679 --> 00:30:24.679
have provided which is the 3 days or 2

00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:27.015
days not notice for these motions I

00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:28.456
think you know we have to be careful

00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:29.895
with those comments because we're going

00:30:29.919 --> 00:30:32.856
back hundreds of years um  and I have

00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.816
been only recently where um I have

00:30:35.840 --> 00:30:37.176
provided that opportunity to every

00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:39.096
counselor to comment on on the on the

00:30:39.120 --> 00:30:41.736
motion  Lord May Lord May this is I

00:30:41.760 --> 00:30:43.496
agree with in in principle about what we

00:30:43.520 --> 00:30:46.296
are trying to achieve here my only um my

00:30:46.320 --> 00:30:48.456
concern is that some of the new councils

00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.015
might not be aware about aware of what

00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.039
we are doing here um I think  you

00:30:54.320 --> 00:30:56.535
being in the previous  council  Lord

00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.559
Mayor um are very well aware of what we

00:30:59.679 --> 00:31:02.679
are doing here um I'm aware um I think

00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.015
my fear is that a number of councils

00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.096
might not be

00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:08.696
even aware of the south parameter

00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.720
boundary um so

00:31:12.320 --> 00:31:14.535
and and and that's where I was going to

00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:16.775
propose Lord Mayor that we um this is a

00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.616
good idea but we probably can have

00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.696
something between now and looking at the

00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:22.535
urgency nothing will change in four

00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.559
weeks time we have a workshop where we

00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:27.416
go through aspects of this in detail

00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.056
provide some history to new counselors

00:31:30.080 --> 00:31:32.535
and then revisit this and  and I I

00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.375
think you might have a unanimous support

00:31:34.399 --> 00:31:37.399
or I'm hoping um on that at that time

00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:39.655
tonight I think it will be difficult for

00:31:39.679 --> 00:31:42.679
um  for some councils to endorse this

00:31:43.919 --> 00:31:45.736
so that's my suggestion Lord May i'll

00:31:45.760 --> 00:31:48.760
leave it there thank you Council Lisa

00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.200
thank you Lord Man pardon

00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.495
am I perplexed i am perplexed actually

00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.519
I'm perplexed by the Labour Party's lack

00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:04.936
of ambition for our City it does perplex

00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.960
me yep it does perplex me i I'm

00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.416
perplexed by a deputy Lord Mayor trying

00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.416
to move a descent motion against a Lord

00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:15.816
Mayor for trying to propel our City to

00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:18.056
the future that does perplex me it's a

00:32:18.080 --> 00:32:21.080
shame actually I'm I'm perplexed that

00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:23.416
we've got elected representatives in

00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.015
this chamber who don't know the history

00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.816
of the of the City i'm perplexed by the

00:32:27.840 --> 00:32:29.096
fact that you've got a team member who

00:32:29.120 --> 00:32:31.255
was a former Lord Mayor and a former

00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.655
deputy Lord Mayor now claiming they

00:32:33.679 --> 00:32:35.416
don't know what the purpose of South

00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.976
Parramatta was that does perplex me thank

00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.000
you it beggars belief how we got here

00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.495
where you've got two two counselors in

00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.135
your caucus one's a former Lord Mayor

00:32:46.159 --> 00:32:48.456
one's a former deputy Lord Mayor who

00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.336
both made very concerted decisions to

00:32:51.360 --> 00:32:54.360
purchase property not one but two

00:32:55.360 --> 00:32:57.495
we've made decisions in this chamber and

00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.895
I I was here for one of them and both

00:32:59.919 --> 00:33:01.655
those councilors were here for both of

00:33:01.679 --> 00:33:03.976
those decisions where this council has

00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.000
spent over $80 million and now we've got

00:33:07.120 --> 00:33:08.616
them saying "Oh we don't know what we're

00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.416
doing." What do you mean you don't know

00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:14.056
lord no one said that we don't know what

00:33:14.080 --> 00:33:16.856
we're doing i did not say that we do not

00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.535
know what we're doing in fact I know

00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:20.696
more than what you guys combined know so

00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.096
don't even question that um no please

00:33:23.120 --> 00:33:25.416
you probably stick to the point

00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.336
counselor perhaps you can educate your

00:33:27.360 --> 00:33:28.535
colleagues if you know more than all of

00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.015
us collectively because if you know Lord

00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:34.039
Mayor the we we don't deserve to be

00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.816
councelor

00:33:37.840 --> 00:33:39.976
can we proceed without pointing anything

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.495
no wait a second no lord may I take

00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.576
offense to this I've got councelor proy

00:33:43.600 --> 00:33:45.096
saying she doesn't deserve to be bered

00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:46.696
by me yet I've got a deputy lord mayor

00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:48.616
calling a no confidence motion in you

00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.616
because you want to propel the City

00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.375
that's what this City doesn't deserve

00:33:52.399 --> 00:33:54.375
the City doesn't deserve counselors who

00:33:54.399 --> 00:33:55.976
are in a labor party caucus with a

00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.895
former mayor and a former deputy who

00:33:57.919 --> 00:33:59.336
don't want to propel the City who've got

00:33:59.360 --> 00:34:02.056
no ambition for the City it beggars

00:34:02.080 --> 00:34:04.296
belief and if you want to stand up now

00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:06.216
and go to the community and say you've

00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.135
been on this council for two terms have

00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.296
spent $90 million and now you don't want

00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:11.895
to do anything about it you want to sit

00:34:11.919 --> 00:34:13.655
on your hands well that's a matter for

00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.496
you but that's surely not what I'm going

00:34:15.520 --> 00:34:18.135
to do now council council MLAN excuse me

00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:20.855
Lord Mayor but we're being accused is

00:34:20.879 --> 00:34:23.256
there a point of order is there a point

00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.496
of order is there a point to this yes

00:34:25.520 --> 00:34:28.216
let him finish is there a point of order

00:34:28.240 --> 00:34:31.240
i I prefer not to be interrupted so I'm

00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.575
I'm a little bit concerned that we're

00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:34.855
now saying we don't want to do anything

00:34:34.879 --> 00:34:36.375
despite decisions that you were

00:34:36.399 --> 00:34:38.776
purposely involved in now I've got the

00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.176
deputy lord Mayor saying

00:34:41.200 --> 00:34:43.176
 it needs to be done in a considered

00:34:43.200 --> 00:34:45.176
fashion it needs to be processed this is

00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:48.200
the process mate it's in the code of

00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:51.240
meeting practice it's it it is a process

00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.095
we're asking for a master plan the

00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:54.776
master plan will come to this chamber

00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:56.536
the master plan will also go to the

00:34:56.560 --> 00:34:59.335
community if that's not a process I'm

00:34:59.359 --> 00:35:01.575
not sure what is i can draw you a Gant

00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.136
chart if you'd prefer if that's what

00:35:04.160 --> 00:35:06.055
it's going to take but I I'm I'm a

00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.079
little bit beused by the whole scenario

00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.575
Parramatta Square where we're standing now

00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:14.296
wasn't an overnight success

00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:16.536
this was 20 years of decision-m from

00:35:16.560 --> 00:35:18.216
this chamber that started with a bold

00:35:18.240 --> 00:35:20.936
decision something like this now you can

00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.216
go and talk to your former Labour

00:35:22.240 --> 00:35:25.240
colleagues including Bour and Finn who

00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.776
were paramount in making those decisions

00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.800
this was a 20-year process we acquired

00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.256
buildings we went to court under

00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.896
compulsory acquisition orders that

00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.920
didn't start um by by virtue of  not

00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.335
making a decision

00:35:43.359 --> 00:35:45.335
you've got colleagues counselors talk to

00:35:45.359 --> 00:35:47.736
them you had this last week councelor

00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:49.176
Proy went and had a meeting with the

00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:51.656
Lord May

00:35:51.680 --> 00:35:54.680
is that not notice

00:35:55.680 --> 00:35:58.680
look look I've been very clear about

00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.880
what why I objected to and everything

00:36:02.160 --> 00:36:05.160
i've been misqued the whole time here my

00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.296
objection is based on lack of knowledge

00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.776
by councilors who are voting on it it's

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.416
not about sending the City forward you

00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.296
are misquing me and  I really find

00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.016
that not terribly nice council no one

00:36:19.040 --> 00:36:21.896
from one of a better word no one from my

00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.976
group has mentioned any confusion about

00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:27.000
this site i understand you have that's

00:36:27.200 --> 00:36:29.416
your view councelor is anything for

00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.440
council she knows exactly where it is um

00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.760
so l my point is if the opposition there

00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.616
wants to stand up and vote against the

00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:43.640
progress of Parramatta that's on them if

00:36:43.839 --> 00:36:46.136
they want to vote against having an

00:36:46.160 --> 00:36:48.536
aspiration for Parramatta or any foresight

00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:50.216
into the future of this City that's on

00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:53.240
them if they want to vote against

00:36:55.200 --> 00:36:58.200
maybe we can have one meeting

00:36:58.640 --> 00:37:01.335
that' be helpful

00:37:01.359 --> 00:37:04.136
listening we've just been you know we've

00:37:04.160 --> 00:37:05.736
got Are you going to caucus now after

00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.575
the fact now no are you telling them now

00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.216
about the site councelor I think we're

00:37:10.240 --> 00:37:13.016
done um I think councelor Panda wants to

00:37:13.040 --> 00:37:15.815
move lord Mayor I I'm standing to

00:37:15.839 --> 00:37:17.736
support your motion lord Mayor I know

00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.896
how hard this City has worked i know how

00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.736
hard it worked to get this particular

00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.656
site in Parramatta Square i'm going to call

00:37:23.680 --> 00:37:26.216
it Parramatta Square North versus Parramatta

00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:27.815
Square South lord Mayor I know how hard

00:37:27.839 --> 00:37:30.376
we worked it's for me and my family it's

00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:33.256
a multigenerational thing um my dad sat

00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:34.776
in the chamber and worked on it and I

00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:36.696
was here you know this is the third term

00:37:36.720 --> 00:37:38.536
and I know how hard we work these things

00:37:38.560 --> 00:37:40.776
don't happen overnight they don't happen

00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:42.536
without making bold decisions and they

00:37:42.560 --> 00:37:44.536
don't happen without aspiration and

00:37:44.560 --> 00:37:46.536
unfortunately for this City those

00:37:46.560 --> 00:37:49.176
opposite lack that aspiration lord Mayor

00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:51.176
I it's just been pointed out to me that

00:37:51.200 --> 00:37:53.815
under section 10.27 27 of the code

00:37:53.839 --> 00:37:56.839
meeting practice that as um we have been

00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.920
mis  quoted and actually

00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:03.176
misinterpreted everything that we have

00:38:03.200 --> 00:38:05.656
said there by councilissa that we

00:38:05.680 --> 00:38:08.376
actually should be given an opportunity

00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.335
to explain what we said now we are happy

00:38:11.359 --> 00:38:14.359
to do that all over again

00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.256
if that's if if you can you can you

00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:19.095
please tell me tell me what when I

00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.055
misrepresented you counselor what did I

00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.776
specifically

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.800
okay sorry

00:38:28.160 --> 00:38:29.976
council Pic has just suggested to me an

00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.496
addition to the motion which I will

00:38:31.520 --> 00:38:33.896
accept which I think will appease all of

00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:35.496
us council Panda could you please

00:38:35.520 --> 00:38:38.296
propose thank you lord May as I said

00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.376
again it's not that we don't know what's

00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.376
happening it's just the process of

00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.400
something as significant as this one um

00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.136
Isa we don't disagree with anything that

00:38:48.160 --> 00:38:49.736
you have said in terms of how important

00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.760
this is it's just again um making sure

00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.496
that the new counselors and everyone has

00:38:55.520 --> 00:38:58.296
been afforded the um  the background

00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.456
and the history of this matter which has

00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.136
been with this council for a very long

00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:04.376
very very long time um in terms of

00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.335
vision we have done not 2050 came out of

00:39:07.359 --> 00:39:09.496
the previous chamber of council that's

00:39:09.520 --> 00:39:11.976
our bold and bigger vision that came out

00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.296
of labor council so let's not talk about

00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.136
that i don't normally as you all know

00:39:16.160 --> 00:39:17.575
talk about labor and liberal in this

00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.599
chamber exactly we we stick to the

00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.216
bigger picture and the vision in the

00:39:22.240 --> 00:39:23.896
community lord Mayor can I suggest that

00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.856
we um have one of those paragraphs

00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:28.536
towards the end whatever the last

00:39:28.560 --> 00:39:30.856
paragraph is that before any work

00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.880
commence that we have a workshop

00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.079
um with providing background and details

00:39:37.520 --> 00:39:40.456
and the scope of the entire work um so

00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.055
can I suggest in paragraph B that we say

00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.079
that that um the council has a workshop

00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.440
on this matter um by

00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:51.496
no but I think you council be can be

00:39:51.520 --> 00:39:53.896
that council has a workshop by the end

00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:55.575
of July

00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:57.256
prior to the preparation of a dRaffoult

00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.216
master plan to guide the renewal of CBD

00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:03.240
so forth okay yeah that's and I think

00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:05.335
you know that will help everyone to

00:40:05.359 --> 00:40:07.896
understand

00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.696
the bigger picture the scope the history

00:40:10.720 --> 00:40:12.296
 and the decisions that has happened

00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:14.376
within um within this chamber in the

00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.696
past few years on this matter now what I

00:40:16.720 --> 00:40:19.016
want is that council has a council brief

00:40:19.040 --> 00:40:21.976
on this matter prior to the preparation

00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.216
of a dRaffoult master plan so delete so

00:40:24.240 --> 00:40:27.240
there could be one one paragraph

00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.376
no because we are going to have if all

00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:31.335
you guys want to know is that where it

00:40:31.359 --> 00:40:33.416
is we can have that discussion i've I've

00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.440
been very clear where it is it is it

00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.280
needs to be routine

00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.920
okay okay um I think that's um

00:40:55.680 --> 00:40:58.680
I know you switch

00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:09.575
lord

00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.136
I might have some questions to go i've

00:41:12.160 --> 00:41:15.160
got many questions to answer

00:41:15.359 --> 00:41:18.295
all of them lord may I just wanted to

00:41:18.319 --> 00:41:21.319
state that whilst I am a new counselor I

00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:23.656
am not in any way confused by this

00:41:23.680 --> 00:41:25.736
motion have you seen the map um have you

00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.536
seen the map the boundaries of where the

00:41:28.560 --> 00:41:30.616
plan is being laid out are clearly on

00:41:30.640 --> 00:41:33.640
the screen for me  this is not a

00:41:33.680 --> 00:41:36.616
determination on anything that will

00:41:36.640 --> 00:41:39.640
happen immediately it is simply  to

00:41:39.680 --> 00:41:42.680
make a plan of the defined boundaries

00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.936
and the suggestion has been made that I

00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.815
as a new counselor am confused by this

00:41:47.839 --> 00:41:49.656
 and I want to state that I'm clearly

00:41:49.680 --> 00:41:52.680
not council

00:41:53.200 --> 00:41:55.256
inj I just want to say that I've been

00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.095
sitting here all night since the start

00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:58.776
of meeting basically being accused of

00:41:58.800 --> 00:41:59.976
being a new counselor not knowing

00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.456
anything I firstly I'm offended firstly

00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.536
firstly firstly I'm offended by some of

00:42:04.560 --> 00:42:06.536
you but the thing is as good decision

00:42:06.560 --> 00:42:09.416
makers of this council with something

00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:11.896
such as big no let me finish and

00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:13.416
something that is such a significant

00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:14.936
planning matter and originally when I

00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.616
read the lord mam minute it had south

00:42:16.640 --> 00:42:18.856
Parramatta precinct and that is within my

00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:20.696
ward and I believe that as good

00:42:20.720 --> 00:42:22.376
counselors and as good ward counselors

00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.216
that we are able to get further

00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:26.216
information about from staff about this

00:42:26.240 --> 00:42:28.536
and I support I support the vision we

00:42:28.560 --> 00:42:30.776
all do all on the labor side and the

00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:32.136
state government for example have done

00:42:32.160 --> 00:42:33.335
more than what the liberal government

00:42:33.359 --> 00:42:35.176
has for the vision of parameter so I

00:42:35.200 --> 00:42:37.496
wouldn't put the labor labor labor does

00:42:37.520 --> 00:42:39.176
nothing for this City another the other

00:42:39.200 --> 00:42:40.856
thing I want to say is that I do support

00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.880
the amendment because to defer because

00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.776
as I mean as any council in this room we

00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:48.536
want to know what you are talking about

00:42:48.560 --> 00:42:50.696
we we received this on the afternoon of

00:42:50.720 --> 00:42:52.295
Friday and if we're talking about

00:42:52.319 --> 00:42:55.256
business days we've had one and that's

00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:56.696
not sufficient if we had any questions

00:42:56.720 --> 00:42:58.536
about this motion that we wanted to ask

00:42:58.560 --> 00:43:00.216
because if this gets passed it will be a

00:43:00.240 --> 00:43:02.055
full resolution of council and we have

00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:03.656
committees and we have different

00:43:03.680 --> 00:43:05.496
processes in place that this should go

00:43:05.520 --> 00:43:08.055
through to to put this through to the

00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:10.055
council right now we're bypassing the

00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:11.496
planning committee then why have these

00:43:11.520 --> 00:43:13.176
committees if everything can be put up

00:43:13.200 --> 00:43:15.335
as a lord mill minute i respect I

00:43:15.359 --> 00:43:16.776
respect that you have a vision and we

00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.696
also want this City to be better and

00:43:18.720 --> 00:43:21.256
when we talk about incompetency

00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.256
mate we've been we've been we've been

00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.936
actually working with you to get a lot

00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.416
of things done for our City council I

00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:28.856
will take your seat council take your

00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:30.776
seat

00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:33.800
i um I ask that you retract your comment

00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.800
that I am asking to bypass any committee

00:43:38.720 --> 00:43:41.575
cuz council is misrepresenting me i am

00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:44.599
not suggesting bypassing any committee

00:43:45.040 --> 00:43:47.016
retract that immediately withdraw thank

00:43:47.040 --> 00:43:50.040
you can I keep going

00:43:50.720 --> 00:43:52.456
cuz yes no I just want to say that we

00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.536
should we have different processes and

00:43:54.560 --> 00:43:56.216
different committees in place because

00:43:56.240 --> 00:43:58.536
respect not just the City of Parramatta but

00:43:58.560 --> 00:44:00.295
the people we represent and people

00:44:00.319 --> 00:44:01.976
should have a say people should know

00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.856
what we're doing and as a as a as good

00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.856
governance we should be transparent and

00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:08.696
open with the community on such big

00:44:08.720 --> 00:44:11.016
planning matters such as these thank you

00:44:11.040 --> 00:44:14.040
councelor i don't need a committee to

00:44:14.319 --> 00:44:17.095
tell me what the people of my City want

00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.119
i'm the Lord Mayor elected by my

00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:23.575
rateayers who voted just like each and

00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.976
every single one of you and if I'm going

00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.376
to sit in his chair and wait every

00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:30.936
single time for a committee to tell me

00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.960
what to do for a City of 270,000 people

00:44:34.160 --> 00:44:36.456
councelor I wasn't elected to only

00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.095
listen to what a committee i was elected

00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:42.119
to also tell the rateayers of this City

00:44:42.160 --> 00:44:45.160
why I spent 80 to 90 million acquiring

00:44:46.640 --> 00:44:49.640
assets in this City for the last 8 years

00:44:50.160 --> 00:44:52.136
and we've been sitting idle here on

00:44:52.160 --> 00:44:54.776
those assets what I am doing here is I

00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.176
am saying it is time that we move

00:44:57.200 --> 00:44:59.176
forward i don't need a committee of a

00:44:59.200 --> 00:45:00.936
subcommittee of a subcommittee of

00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:03.016
another advisory committee to tell me

00:45:03.040 --> 00:45:06.040
what my City wants lord councelor Derby

00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.880
can I respond please

00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:17.896
i don't know if I want to get up after

00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.776
that um cuz I think I might just be

00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.416
chastis chastised after you

00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.376
councel NG um I've heard terms thrown

00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.400
around tonight of um aspiration progress

00:45:29.680 --> 00:45:32.680
ambition bold decision we have that in

00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.496
spades in our City what we're suffering

00:45:35.520 --> 00:45:38.295
from right now is actually delivering on

00:45:38.319 --> 00:45:41.319
those i'll give two examples um that or

00:45:42.319 --> 00:45:44.376
actually one in particular Fenol Street

00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:47.400
car park it was a Lord Merrill minute at

00:45:47.520 --> 00:45:50.520
last council meeting assigning $250,000

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.976
to look at a master plan for that site

00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.736
yet we can do this without any

00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.456
additional resources but interestingly

00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:00.456
in the last two budgets including this

00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:01.976
year and and the year before we'd

00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:05.000
actually already put aside 250,000 to

00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.256
look at that car park and do the re and

00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.575
and investigate the redevelopment we

00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:12.599
have a lot of plans and visions right

00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.335
we've got them in spades what we need

00:46:15.359 --> 00:46:17.656
now is discipline to deliver that for

00:46:17.680 --> 00:46:20.376
our community we're all in agreement

00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.376
that we need to do this work do we need

00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.400
to do this work right now when we have a

00:46:25.520 --> 00:46:27.736
plan and a budget on public exhibition

00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:29.896
until tomorrow little plug that actually

00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.536
has a list of exclusions

00:46:32.560 --> 00:46:34.456
longer than my arm i think there's about

00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.856
30 40 of them tens of millions of

00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.016
dollars of work that we can't do work

00:46:39.040 --> 00:46:40.696
that we've already committed to our City

00:46:40.720 --> 00:46:43.095
to deliver and work that at the moment

00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.119
is unfunded residents that I'm elected

00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.856
to represent have been calling out for

00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.936
us to focus on something other than our

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.960
CBD for so long we've invested a lot in

00:46:54.319 --> 00:46:56.936
our CBD and yes more needs to be done

00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.016
but does it need to be done today

00:46:59.040 --> 00:47:01.176
tomorrow within the next three months to

00:47:01.200 --> 00:47:04.055
deliver such a core piece of work i

00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:06.055
don't think so what our neighborhoods

00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:07.896
want is to see us actually delivering

00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.776
for them to make our City livable rather

00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.095
than just continuing to invest in the

00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.335
CBD

00:47:15.359 --> 00:47:17.896
that's what I stand to do i don't think

00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:19.976
it's a priority right now and in terms

00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.536
of process and discipline we've actually

00:47:22.560 --> 00:47:24.856
been discussing for the last 6 months

00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.335
our plan for the next four years and our

00:47:27.359 --> 00:47:29.176
and our operational plan for the next

00:47:29.200 --> 00:47:31.656
year in a lot of detail and not once has

00:47:31.680 --> 00:47:33.976
this come up we've been discussing in a

00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:35.976
lot of detail property strategy it

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.736
hasn't yet come to a council meeting but

00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.456
it will again this wasn't prioritized in

00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:42.216
those discussions

00:47:42.240 --> 00:47:44.376
i'm concerned about us spending all

00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.696
these all this time developing plans and

00:47:46.720 --> 00:47:48.856
I know we were criticized last term that

00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:50.856
we had strategies coming out of our ears

00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.176
but for me now is the time to deliver on

00:47:53.200 --> 00:47:55.335
those we can if we keep adding things

00:47:55.359 --> 00:47:57.016
and jumping the queue and adding them on

00:47:57.040 --> 00:47:58.616
top we're not going to deliver what

00:47:58.640 --> 00:48:01.640
we've already committed to do as I said

00:48:01.680 --> 00:48:03.736
absolutely this work needs to be done i

00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:05.496
don't think it needs to be done now

00:48:05.520 --> 00:48:07.736
unlike everyone else I actually I

00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.376
understand now the parameters um but I

00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:11.976
think it's funny that in point 6 of the

00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.896
the background it actually says once the

00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.575
precinct is defined I mean that's

00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.216
actually in the in the the um the staff

00:48:18.240 --> 00:48:20.456
information that was prepared i

00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.216
understand that i just don't agree that

00:48:22.240 --> 00:48:24.055
this is a priority right now it hasn't

00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:26.295
come through in the work that we've done

00:48:26.319 --> 00:48:28.136
we've put so much money and time and

00:48:28.160 --> 00:48:30.456
effort into our CBD

00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.376
we've got beautiful changes that have

00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.616
happened in Parramatta Square for me now

00:48:34.640 --> 00:48:36.136
the time is in to invest in our

00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:37.736
neighborhoods and deliver on so many

00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.815
things that we've committed to do and

00:48:39.839 --> 00:48:42.535
ensure that that actually happens again

00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.136
not saying that this can't be done i

00:48:44.160 --> 00:48:45.896
just don't think it needs to be done now

00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:47.575
i'm unclear whether this is about

00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.256
planning and resoning whether it's about

00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.280
a property strategy um but either way I

00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.376
just don't think the time is now and I

00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:55.575
think we need to focus on our

00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:57.656
neighborhoods i have the aspiration and

00:48:57.680 --> 00:49:00.136
the ambition but again we can't do

00:49:00.160 --> 00:49:02.456
everything at once and we need to be

00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:04.216
clear about where we're prioritizing and

00:49:04.240 --> 00:49:06.295
putting our efforts in and I want to see

00:49:06.319 --> 00:49:07.736
us delivering on what we've already

00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.136
committed to the community thank you L

00:49:10.160 --> 00:49:11.416
can I ask a few questions you can ask

00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:13.976
questions yes thank you thank you L just

00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.696
um just a point of a couple of points of

00:49:16.720 --> 00:49:19.720
clarification from councelor Darly on 6

00:49:19.839 --> 00:49:21.335
versus what we've seen in the business

00:49:21.359 --> 00:49:24.055
paper um could you through you to the

00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.456
relevant officer who helped you or to

00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:29.480
yourself um was this motion amended post

00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.736
counselor yes um talking to you so

00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.456
whilst I understand 6 may be a little

00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:37.815
bit contradictory to the actual

00:49:37.839 --> 00:49:40.616
resolution is that because this is a

00:49:40.640 --> 00:49:42.696
question is that because councelor pro

00:49:42.720 --> 00:49:44.055
approached you and you've changed the

00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.136
resolution to suit council that is

00:49:46.160 --> 00:49:48.136
correct council thank you Lord May now

00:49:48.160 --> 00:49:51.016
Lord Mayor um don't misrepresent me

00:49:51.040 --> 00:49:53.176
councelor not don't even think about I

00:49:53.200 --> 00:49:55.496
haven't misrepresented anybody um there

00:49:55.520 --> 00:49:57.736
was a question are you suggesting

00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:59.095
councelor that you didn't approach the

00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:01.016
lord me

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I approached the lord may because I said

00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.736
that I thought I was worried about what

00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.416
I said I was worried about that

00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:08.856
counselors didn't have enough

00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.295
information and what was it that you

00:50:10.319 --> 00:50:13.319
worried about Stephen that was my first

00:50:13.839 --> 00:50:16.839
concern understand council pro thank you

00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:18.776
next question

00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:20.936
um just through you to the relevant

00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.456
officer could you confirm if there were

00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:24.616
anything in that long list of things

00:50:24.640 --> 00:50:26.936
yeah councelor Darly councelor Kelly I

00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:28.616
was going to say councelor Darly said a

00:50:28.640 --> 00:50:30.856
list longer than her arm of exclusions

00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:33.880
were those things um proposed or

00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:36.856
endorsed by the previous term of council

00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.335
but would it be fair to suggest  Lord

00:50:39.359 --> 00:50:41.335
May that there is a group of 10 new

00:50:41.359 --> 00:50:43.736
counselors with 10 new priorities and 10

00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.760
new um  views and that may have

00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:49.896
changed what was included and excluded

00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:51.575
is that would that be a fair assumption

00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.136
through to the relevant officer um

00:50:54.160 --> 00:50:57.160
through me to the CEO

00:50:59.200 --> 00:51:01.335
look neither council can at any time

00:51:01.359 --> 00:51:03.335
resolve to stick with previous

00:51:03.359 --> 00:51:05.176
resolutions or amend previous

00:51:05.200 --> 00:51:07.416
resolutions of council and can alter

00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.256
their priorities at any time via

00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:11.496
resolution thank you L just a couple

00:51:11.520 --> 00:51:14.136
more questions um I'm just going to ask

00:51:14.160 --> 00:51:15.256
a question about rates now

00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.095
hypothetically speaking this master plan

00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:19.575
puts a bunch of commercial space down in

00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.599
South Parramatta could you confirm um that

00:51:23.200 --> 00:51:25.335
commercial rates in the CBD are higher

00:51:25.359 --> 00:51:28.359
than residential rates mr columbia

00:51:31.680 --> 00:51:34.680
or council concard

00:51:35.359 --> 00:51:36.936
who's coming who would like to take this

00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.295
are business rates higher higher than

00:51:38.319 --> 00:51:41.256
commercial

00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.496
to admit to you lad may yes they are oh

00:51:43.520 --> 00:51:45.256
they are okay so would it be fair to

00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.176
suggest then if we put commercial space

00:51:47.200 --> 00:51:48.936
down there lord may and increase the

00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.960
commercial space we're able to then have

00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.295
the ability to deliver for our suburbs

00:51:54.319 --> 00:51:56.535
and our residents it may depends on the

00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:59.256
on the proposal Thank you Lord May um

00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.095
and and through you Lord May the last

00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:02.856
question  councelor Darly said there

00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:05.335
was $250,000 for Fennel Street in the

00:52:05.359 --> 00:52:07.176
previous budget

00:52:07.200 --> 00:52:08.936
wouldn't that suggest that your Lord me

00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:10.456
didn't ask for any more money thank you

00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.416
Lord May yes that's correct councils

00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.335
I've tried to accommodate the chamber

00:52:15.359 --> 00:52:16.856
i've listened to councelor Pro if she

00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:18.696
wanted the boundaries to be clarified

00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:20.856
i've done that i accepted that and I

00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.736
appreciate your feedback councelor Semit

00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.736
sorry councelor Pande has asked that we

00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:28.760
have a briefing to clarify any concerns

00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:31.736
of people that don't understand this era

00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.760
which I find surprising but I respect

00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.176
that I've accepted the amendment is

00:52:37.200 --> 00:52:39.335
there any other questions or I'll put it

00:52:39.359 --> 00:52:42.359
to a vote I have a question  so given

00:52:43.359 --> 00:52:45.976
councelor Panda's amendment which is

00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:47.976
that work shall be held before any other

00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:51.000
work is commenced  how just a process

00:52:51.040 --> 00:52:52.295
question since we're focused on that

00:52:52.319 --> 00:52:53.815
this evening through to you to the

00:52:53.839 --> 00:52:56.216
relevant offic what what so once we've

00:52:56.240 --> 00:52:57.736
had that workshop that just triggers

00:52:57.760 --> 00:52:59.656
like a workshop is clearly not a

00:52:59.680 --> 00:53:01.976
decision-m so what happens then this

00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.856
work just kicks off in earnest I'm just

00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.880
curious what's the process

00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.400
you see thanks Lord May  Lord May the

00:53:13.680 --> 00:53:15.256
process will be a workshop or a

00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:17.335
counselor briefing will be held and then

00:53:17.359 --> 00:53:19.496
following that councelor briefing the

00:53:19.520 --> 00:53:22.055
council resolves what's in front of it

00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.736
 then the preparation of the master

00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.216
plan can begin

00:53:26.240 --> 00:53:28.216
so in so many ways you know we'll have

00:53:28.240 --> 00:53:29.176
the workshop and that'll be

00:53:29.200 --> 00:53:31.256
informational as we all hope and

00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.416
hopefully informative but it won't you

00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:35.095
know because this is becoming a

00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.176
resolution of council nothing of what's

00:53:37.200 --> 00:53:38.936
being like we're not developing a scope

00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:40.216
of a master plan here we're just going

00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:41.976
straight into the into the into the

00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.736
weeds we're not just developing a scope

00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.736
first you'll recall CEO with Eping that

00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:47.736
we developed a scope first and then a

00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:49.416
secondary resolution came to develop a

00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.176
master plan i'll get to see to clarify

00:53:51.200 --> 00:53:53.815
that yeah

00:53:53.839 --> 00:53:55.976
 Lord Mayor given the debate tonight I

00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:57.496
would assume that the intent of the

00:53:57.520 --> 00:53:59.656
workshop would be to well and truly

00:53:59.680 --> 00:54:01.416
prepare the scope or the brief for the

00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:03.095
preparation of the master plan taking on

00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:05.656
board the feedback of councilors that's

00:54:05.680 --> 00:54:07.496
sort of my question/ concern in the

00:54:07.520 --> 00:54:09.176
sense that if we're going to do this

00:54:09.200 --> 00:54:10.616
then perhaps we should be developing a

00:54:10.640 --> 00:54:13.095
scope first and then prosecuting that

00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.016
because that workshop in so many ways is

00:54:15.040 --> 00:54:17.095
not a decision-making body i mean yes we

00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:18.696
can take on feedback there but wouldn't

00:54:18.720 --> 00:54:20.856
be for us to prescribe to you what

00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.295
should or shouldn't be in that master

00:54:22.319 --> 00:54:23.736
plan once we get to that workshop would

00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.136
that be correct Deputy Lord Mayor i

00:54:26.160 --> 00:54:28.376
would never want to impede on the staff

00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.856
doing their job and telling us as a

00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.016
chamber what is the best use of the

00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:35.176
precinct for this council and the

00:54:35.200 --> 00:54:37.016
community oh no i quite agree Lord May

00:54:37.040 --> 00:54:38.856
my question is really that we're but

00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.575
we're not coming back to this chamber

00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.216
resolution well deputy lord may m we're

00:54:44.240 --> 00:54:46.616
going to as council green's point

00:54:46.640 --> 00:54:49.416
anything before any money is spent in

00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:51.656
relation to any development or anything

00:54:51.680 --> 00:54:53.736
there needs to be the dRaffoult master plan

00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:55.896
has to go to public exhibition the

00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:57.575
entire processes that are in place need

00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.376
to be followed that all will be followed

00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.936
what this is is to come back to us with

00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.575
a dRaffoult master plan following the

00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:07.976
briefing to provide us with a chamber of

00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:10.376
what is the best use of assets that are

00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.295
held within that precinct

00:55:12.319 --> 00:55:14.696
that's it just like things were done for

00:55:14.720 --> 00:55:16.936
Parramatta Square north this is as

00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:18.456
councelor Isa said this will be our

00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.480
Parramatta Square South

00:55:21.520 --> 00:55:23.656
thank you Lord may councelor Green we

00:55:23.680 --> 00:55:26.680
have a question thank you

00:55:28.319 --> 00:55:30.696
i'm just wondering why this motion

00:55:30.720 --> 00:55:32.696
wasn't bought in February when we were

00:55:32.720 --> 00:55:35.656
beginning our vision for the City the

00:55:35.680 --> 00:55:38.680
community strategic plan and depot

00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:40.856
so very good question counselor um as

00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:42.936
you were aware on the 29th of April I

00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:44.136
had the pleasure with the support of

00:55:44.160 --> 00:55:45.815
this chamber to have a Lord Merrill

00:55:45.839 --> 00:55:48.839
business forum and some of the speakers

00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:51.416
and some of the feedback that I got is

00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.440
where to next they see a lot of the 160

00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:56.936
plus people that were there were talking

00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.095
about the future of Parramatta and how they

00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:01.176
see this City taking the lead on many

00:56:01.200 --> 00:56:03.736
decisions moving forward we've done so

00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:05.095
many good things to get us to where we

00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.815
are now we've laid the foundation and

00:56:07.839 --> 00:56:10.376
there was this sense of anticipation um

00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:12.535
from many of the people in that room

00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.559
what next you've delivered 220,000 plus

00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:20.216
agrade office space in Parramatta Square as

00:56:20.240 --> 00:56:22.775
an example council's done certain

00:56:22.799 --> 00:56:24.616
acquisitions there's a lot of movement

00:56:24.640 --> 00:56:27.640
in the CBD what to next so I've always

00:56:28.720 --> 00:56:30.295
thought you've had a parameter square

00:56:30.319 --> 00:56:33.319
one why can't we aspire have the vision

00:56:34.160 --> 00:56:37.160
for a parameter square two so council

00:56:37.200 --> 00:56:38.376
while I've been thinking about a number

00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.936
of ideas and I've been saying from late

00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:43.960
last year I have a whiteboard in my

00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.936
office I welcome all of you I write my

00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.335
ideas on there my lord nur minutes come

00:56:49.359 --> 00:56:52.136
from those ideas you can come in see

00:56:52.160 --> 00:56:54.376
what I'm working on I'd like to hear

00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.616
your feedback and what more we could do

00:56:56.640 --> 00:56:59.176
but the as the inspiration came from

00:56:59.200 --> 00:57:00.936
that lord mural business forum that we

00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.960
had six weeks ago thank you for the

00:57:06.160 --> 00:57:08.456
Just a question to you Lord Mayor so I'm

00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:11.335
reading referring on my concerns

00:57:11.359 --> 00:57:13.575
questions that I raised a moment ago

00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.496
regards having that workshop and then

00:57:15.520 --> 00:57:18.456
the work just beginning in earnest um my

00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:20.456
question to you  is is there no

00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.535
appetite from yourself that we would

00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.136
defer this to a workshop and then come

00:57:24.160 --> 00:57:26.936
back to seek that resolution

00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:29.095
councelor as I've said I'm not trying to

00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:30.535
be obstructionist Lord May but I am

00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.936
trying to find a way that we can I've

00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:34.456
tried to accommodate as much as the

00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:35.656
concerns that have been raised i've been

00:57:35.680 --> 00:57:38.680
clear to it since your question no

00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.016
because this is not that of a difficult

00:57:41.040 --> 00:57:42.456
thing it's something that's been

00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.416
discussed and worked on for 8 years and

00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:46.775
it's something that needs to be put

00:57:46.799 --> 00:57:48.775
ahead and I don't want to put the brakes

00:57:48.799 --> 00:57:50.775
on this City i want to accelerate this

00:57:50.799 --> 00:57:53.416
City and I don't see the need to have to

00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:54.936
then delay this by another three

00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.295
essentially 3 or 4 months is what I've

00:57:56.319 --> 00:57:59.319
been asked so I respectfully say no okay

00:57:59.520 --> 00:58:01.496
councelor Ellard I move the motion be

00:58:01.520 --> 00:58:04.520
put thank councelor so can I please get

00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.256
a show of hands on this motion all those

00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.280
in favor

00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.535
this is Yes it's in there yeah I've

00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:22.856
accepted it

00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.880
okay so sorry so everyone has voted

00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:29.559
against council Darly

00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.535
and Deputy Lord you're abstaining okay

00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.559
so it's 134 one against one

00:58:36.799 --> 00:58:39.335
thank you councilors

00:58:39.359 --> 00:58:41.656
we we'll now move on to Lord Mel minute

00:58:41.680 --> 00:58:43.496
three local charity and community

00:58:43.520 --> 00:58:46.456
cultural events due to the as I'm

00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.176
conscious of time the motion is there

00:58:49.200 --> 00:58:50.696
essentially I'm seeking council support

00:58:50.720 --> 00:58:53.720
for donations from the Lord Mel budget

00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:55.656
it's not additional funds that have not

00:58:55.680 --> 00:58:57.256
been budgeted for it's within the Lord

00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:59.496
budget to fund various local charities

00:58:59.520 --> 00:59:00.856
and community cultural events in the

00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:03.176
City of Parramatta namely the licrretes

00:59:03.200 --> 00:59:06.200
foundation go festival and rod house

00:59:06.640 --> 00:59:08.696
councelor Darly

00:59:08.720 --> 00:59:11.416
Just a a question Lord May just with the

00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:13.575
um Let's Go Greek Festival which is

00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:15.176
obviously a wonderful event my

00:59:15.200 --> 00:59:16.696
recollection is previously they've

00:59:16.720 --> 00:59:19.720
applied um for a community event grant

00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:21.896
um I'm just wondering why i didn't

00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:24.535
notice them on the list this year so I'm

00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:26.456
just wondering why um because I believe

00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:27.815
previously we've actually given them

00:59:27.839 --> 00:59:30.055
more money so I just wanted to clarify

00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:31.256
council it's a very good question i

00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:32.376
asked the same question which is why I

00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:33.656
had to do it this way they they missed

00:59:33.680 --> 00:59:35.416
the deadline they were busy with the DA

00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:36.936
for the master plan yeah and

00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:38.856
unfortunately they did write to me they

00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:40.856
they missed the deadline yeah okay i

00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:42.055
just want to be clear because it's also

00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:44.295
important that we make sure we're we're

00:59:44.319 --> 00:59:46.456
fair with everyone 100% you're right

00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:49.480
because ordinarily that was my first gut

00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:51.736
instinct why didn't they do it when I

00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:53.656
inquired that was the reason ordinarily

00:59:53.680 --> 00:59:55.416
I wouldn't do it but for that reason we

00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.416
have supported them year after year i

00:59:57.440 --> 00:59:59.095
did think that I don't want to penalize

00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:00.295
them for missing because they're working

01:00:00.319 --> 01:00:02.616
on other things so yeah all right

01:00:02.640 --> 01:00:04.376
council no further speakers i'll put the

01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.535
motion can I get a second to that

01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.016
council reform all those in favor i

01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:12.040
anyone against no unanimous

01:00:13.839 --> 01:00:16.136
lord Mel minute four award-winning City

01:00:16.160 --> 01:00:17.575
of parameter projects and staff

01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:19.976
initiatives the purpose of the motion is

01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:21.896
to congratulate City of parameter staff

01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:23.416
on award-winning projects and

01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:25.976
infrastructure a that the council

01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.456
congratulate the staff on the following

01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:30.295
awards the planning institute of

01:00:30.319 --> 01:00:32.055
Australia's national award for planning

01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.696
excellence then into the local

01:00:34.720 --> 01:00:35.976
government professions Australia New

01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.696
South Wales excellence awards seconded

01:00:38.720 --> 01:00:40.456
by councelor

01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.256
was it councelor reform yeah all those

01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:46.280
in favor I anyone against no unanimously

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:51.000
now we've got the  my last minute lord

01:00:51.359 --> 01:00:54.136
minute 5 the two 2025 king's birthday

01:00:54.160 --> 01:00:56.856
honors the motion is to congratulate the

01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.055
current and former members of the City

01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:59.656
of Parameda community and those who have

01:00:59.680 --> 01:01:01.176
previously made a significant

01:01:01.200 --> 01:01:02.775
contribution to our community and have

01:01:02.799 --> 01:01:05.176
been recognized in the 2025 order of

01:01:05.200 --> 01:01:08.200
Australia's King's birthday honors a is

01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.559
to namely recognize one Mr salem Paul

01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:14.599
Musa OAM two Mrs bindy Sha OM three Mr

01:01:16.319 --> 01:01:19.319
jeremy Heathka OAM four Mr kenneth John

01:01:19.680 --> 01:01:22.680
McCracken OAM five Major Malcolm Wayne

01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:26.440
Botfield  OAM that council

01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:27.976
congratulate notable members of the

01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:29.416
community recognized for service to

01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.256
community and local government including

01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:34.136
Miss Jennifer Westerot AO and Mr brett

01:01:34.160 --> 01:01:37.160
Witworth PSM as recognized in the 2025

01:01:37.359 --> 01:01:39.656
King's birthday honors that the Lord may

01:01:39.680 --> 01:01:41.656
that I write to all the award recipients

01:01:41.680 --> 01:01:43.496
acknowledging their service and

01:01:43.520 --> 01:01:45.736
congratulations council I put that

01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:48.216
motion to you all those in favor i

01:01:48.240 --> 01:01:51.240
anyone against no resolve

01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.575
okay there are four public forum

01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:08.936
submissions received for this evening's

01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:11.256
councelor meeting or have have been

01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.496
approved to address council all four

01:02:13.520 --> 01:02:15.896
submissions have been published in the

01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:18.216
supplementary agenda i'd like to remind

01:02:18.240 --> 01:02:20.376
each speaker that there is a 3minut time

01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:22.775
limit the sound the first sound you hear

01:02:22.799 --> 01:02:24.136
indicates that you have 1 minute

01:02:24.160 --> 01:02:26.295
remaining at the second sound please

01:02:26.319 --> 01:02:28.136
conclude your comments there are four

01:02:28.160 --> 01:02:30.696
speakers when we get to speaker four Mr

01:02:30.720 --> 01:02:33.720
john Bashara myself and councelor Pandy

01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:35.496
I know you were late councelor Panda

01:02:35.520 --> 01:02:37.575
you've got the same conflict that I do

01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.599
regards to Hill Road um did you just

01:02:40.640 --> 01:02:42.856
want to put that on record

01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.880
i've got here

01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:50.280
just want to read it yeah they they

01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.335
wrote it for you so Council Pandy's got

01:02:53.359 --> 01:02:55.575
the same um conflict that I do so just

01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:57.176
read

01:02:57.200 --> 01:02:58.775
i'll just read it it's councilor Patty

01:02:58.799 --> 01:03:00.216
disclosed a significant opponentary

01:03:00.240 --> 01:03:02.775
interest in item OECM2518

01:03:02.799 --> 01:03:05.799
deferred item com 25-10 PTE2513

01:03:06.799 --> 01:03:08.456
councelor planning proposal resing of

01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:10.295
land in Hill Road licking for the same

01:03:10.319 --> 01:03:11.256
reason that he was a member of the

01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.016
Sydney City central planning panel when

01:03:13.040 --> 01:03:14.775
the matter related to this site was

01:03:14.799 --> 01:03:17.496
considered so I will vacate the seat

01:03:17.520 --> 01:03:18.775
when it comes to the full speaker I'll

01:03:18.799 --> 01:03:21.176
get the deputy lord Mayor to step in so

01:03:21.200 --> 01:03:24.200
we've now got um an L lock go ahead

01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:31.736
Thank you councilors for the opportunity

01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.616
to speak in support of Creative Parramatta

01:03:34.640 --> 01:03:37.015
the City of Parramatta's 10-year cultural

01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:38.856
strategy

01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:41.095
my name is Anne Lockxley i am the

01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:43.256
executive director of Arts and Cultural

01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:46.280
Exchange also known as ACE a cultural

01:03:46.640 --> 01:03:49.575
organization based here in Parramatta on

01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:51.656
Dar country

01:03:51.680 --> 01:03:54.680
established in 1984 ACE is committed to

01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:58.039
social justice we harness the power of

01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:01.079
creativity to address disadvantage

01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:03.815
producing innovative interdisciplinary

01:04:03.839 --> 01:04:06.376
intergenerational projects co-created

01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:08.936
with our communities

01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:11.496
creative Paramatter will support and

01:04:11.520 --> 01:04:14.055
enable the vital work ACE delivers

01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:16.936
across the Parramatta local government area

01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:19.656
and throughout Western Sydney

01:04:19.680 --> 01:04:21.976
one example of how the strategy aligns

01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:25.000
with our work is our Club World music

01:04:25.359 --> 01:04:28.295
program club World enhances

01:04:28.319 --> 01:04:31.319
opportunities access social inclusion

01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:34.775
and visibility for musicians with

01:04:34.799 --> 01:04:37.496
disability it is dedicated to

01:04:37.520 --> 01:04:39.815
experimentation in the development of

01:04:39.839 --> 01:04:42.055
dynamic training and professional

01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:44.456
development models that deliver

01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:46.856
measurable outcomes

01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.656
creative paramatter ensures that the

01:04:49.680 --> 01:04:52.535
local creative community including

01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:54.616
people with disability and those with

01:04:54.640 --> 01:04:57.640
specific needs have increased access to

01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:00.920
cultural participation and development

01:05:01.359 --> 01:05:04.359
this is a strategy that recognizes and

01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:07.400
uplifts all voices and we are proud to

01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:10.136
support it

01:05:10.160 --> 01:05:12.376
i also want to highlight how important

01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:14.456
it is for council to support the

01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:17.256
development of cultural infrastructure

01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.280
through planning and policy mechanisms

01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.456
there are several organizations in the

01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:25.480
LGA that currently have precarious

01:05:25.520 --> 01:05:28.520
tenurs in addition there are many other

01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:31.095
cultural organizations who are eager to

01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.119
establish a permanent base in Parramatta

01:05:34.319 --> 01:05:36.136
area

01:05:36.160 --> 01:05:38.456
strengthening cultural infrastructure

01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.480
will help ensure a thriving sustainable

01:05:42.319 --> 01:05:45.319
creative sector that continues to enrich

01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.440
our City for years to come

01:05:52.799 --> 01:05:55.799
thank you we now have Mansu

01:06:03.359 --> 01:06:06.359
hello okay um we are the current

01:06:06.640 --> 01:06:08.696
generation not just the future the

01:06:08.720 --> 01:06:11.015
choices made today impact us now and

01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:13.015
shape the world we will inherit young

01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:14.696
people in the City of Parramatta are

01:06:14.720 --> 01:06:17.176
diverse dynamic and full of potential

01:06:17.200 --> 01:06:19.656
yet too often our voices go unheard in

01:06:19.680 --> 01:06:22.055
decisions that affect us we want real

01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:24.376
opportunities to participate contribute

01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:26.136
and be part of the change happening in

01:06:26.160 --> 01:06:28.456
our City that's a message from the youth

01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.856
inclusion framework and one I deeply

01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:33.656
resonate with hello I'm Yosha Mansour a

01:06:33.680 --> 01:06:35.335
youth advocate and I've had the

01:06:35.359 --> 01:06:37.656
privilege of helping developing the City

01:06:37.680 --> 01:06:40.216
of Parramatta's first youth inclusion

01:06:40.240 --> 01:06:42.295
framework i'm proud of what this

01:06:42.319 --> 01:06:45.319
framework represents sorry um

01:06:47.520 --> 01:06:49.656
young people in Parameda are full of

01:06:49.680 --> 01:06:51.976
creativity ideas and a strong commitment

01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:54.775
to make a difference yet far too often

01:06:54.799 --> 01:06:56.535
we find ourselves excluded from

01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.015
conversations that shape our future to

01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.335
me youth inclusion means being invited

01:07:01.359 --> 01:07:03.815
to spaces where real decisions are made

01:07:03.839 --> 01:07:05.656
and knowing that our experiences

01:07:05.680 --> 01:07:08.376
insights and values truly matter this

01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:11.256
framework is more than a document it's a

01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:13.335
bridge connecting the council with young

01:07:13.359 --> 01:07:15.256
people through practical inclusive

01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:18.280
pathways it opens doors for us to engage

01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:20.696
to speak up and to actively help shape

01:07:20.720 --> 01:07:23.256
our communities it recognizes that young

01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:25.176
people already contribute meaningfully

01:07:25.200 --> 01:07:27.015
to the communities and deserve genuine

01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:29.656
opportunities to participate to lead and

01:07:29.680 --> 01:07:31.656
shape the future of parameter what

01:07:31.680 --> 01:07:33.575
stands out most is that this framework

01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:35.335
wasn't created about young people but

01:07:35.359 --> 01:07:37.496
with us is centered voices often

01:07:37.520 --> 01:07:39.815
overlooked and created a space where we

01:07:39.839 --> 01:07:41.815
could speak openly and be genuinely

01:07:41.839 --> 01:07:44.696
heard from my own experience being seen

01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:47.720
and support supported builds confidence

01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:49.496
belonging and stronger ties to the

01:07:49.520 --> 01:07:51.736
community when young people are included

01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:53.976
everyone benefits we become more engaged

01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:55.815
hopeful and invested in the place we

01:07:55.839 --> 01:07:57.656
call home i'm grateful for the

01:07:57.680 --> 01:07:59.335
opportunity to share this today and I

01:07:59.359 --> 01:08:00.936
hope the spirit of this framework

01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.256
inspires ongoing partnership between the

01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.176
council and young people because

01:08:05.200 --> 01:08:07.095
together we can build a better prime

01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:10.119
matter thank you

01:08:12.240 --> 01:08:15.240
thank you i'm Cheryl Bates

01:08:15.520 --> 01:08:18.520
oh I am sorry

01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:23.640
thank you very much

01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:26.775
okay tonight I'll read a shortened

01:08:26.799 --> 01:08:29.799
version of my original submission thank

01:08:30.080 --> 01:08:31.976
you for the opportunity to speak in

01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:34.536
support of councelor Pandi's motion to

01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:37.560
establish a historical museum in Parramatta

01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:40.456
i speak as chair of the national trust

01:08:40.480 --> 01:08:43.335
parameter branch and also as a member of

01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:45.735
parameda heritage partners a group

01:08:45.759 --> 01:08:48.056
representing heritage stakeholders in

01:08:48.080 --> 01:08:51.080
Parramatta the groups that I represent

01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:53.255
fully support the establishment of a

01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.279
permanent historical museum in Parramatta

01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:59.016
as Parramatta undergoes continuous

01:08:59.040 --> 01:09:01.175
development it's imperative that we

01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:03.096
document and preserve its numerous

01:09:03.120 --> 01:09:06.120
narratives for future generations

01:09:06.719 --> 01:09:09.255
the absence of these celebrated stories

01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:11.255
risks losing

01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.416
valuable insights into our collective

01:09:13.440 --> 01:09:16.440
heritage a museum will provide for the

01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:18.695
people of Parramatta and Western Sydney a

01:09:18.719 --> 01:09:21.016
greater sense of connection with our

01:09:21.040 --> 01:09:24.040
heritage and what makes this area unique

01:09:24.719 --> 01:09:26.695
paramatter is the second settlement in

01:09:26.719 --> 01:09:29.719
CBD is an emerging tourist and business

01:09:30.480 --> 01:09:33.480
destination driven by the new airport

01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:36.215
and needs to have a museum that shares

01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:39.239
the unique and significant Parramatta story

01:09:39.839 --> 01:09:42.056
whilst this motion speaks of a temporary

01:09:42.080 --> 01:09:45.080
display of historical  artifacts and

01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:48.920
collections Parramatta Heritage Partners

01:09:49.440 --> 01:09:52.440
members would  support an opportunity

01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:56.279
to share collective objects in a public

01:09:56.320 --> 01:09:59.320
exhibition for a set period of time this

01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:01.496
temporary display could create the

01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:04.456
groundwork for council to establish a

01:10:04.480 --> 01:10:07.480
permanent historical museum in Parramatta

01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.920
at a suitable location in the future

01:10:12.080 --> 01:10:14.695
a future permanent historical museum

01:10:14.719 --> 01:10:17.719
along with Parramatta's range of specialty

01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:21.239
and house museums gives a business and

01:10:21.440 --> 01:10:23.976
tourist visitor and residents a rich

01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.936
cultural environment that augments and

01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:29.960
supports council's global City vision

01:10:30.080 --> 01:10:32.776
and cultural plan

01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:35.256
whilst this motion

01:10:35.280 --> 01:10:38.280
identifies action only by staff

01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.800
we request that staff interface with

01:10:42.080 --> 01:10:44.135
heritage representatives prior to

01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.695
starting and during research for the

01:10:46.719 --> 01:10:49.719
report and to also provide feedback on

01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:52.936
heritage stakeholders prior to the

01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:55.960
report submission to council thank you

01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:00.536
thank you deputy Lair can you please

01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.560
step in

01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:21.576
okay councilors we'll now hear from John

01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:24.376
Bash Bashara regarding the council

01:11:24.400 --> 01:11:26.376
letter planning proposal resigning of

01:11:26.400 --> 01:11:29.400
the land for Hill Road Litam mr bashara

01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:35.655
good evening deputy lord Mayor

01:11:35.679 --> 01:11:38.135
councilors and council staff thank you

01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:39.896
for the opportunity to speak with you on

01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:42.456
this item this evening we're told in

01:11:42.480 --> 01:11:43.896
summary in the summary report of this

01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.336
planning proposal that the reason

01:11:45.360 --> 01:11:47.576
council no longer needs this public open

01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:49.096
space is because of new plans to

01:11:49.120 --> 01:11:51.175
construct a cycle way from Newington to

01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:53.096
Carter Street which traverses both

01:11:53.120 --> 01:11:56.056
Hasslam's Creek and Hill Road in truth a

01:11:56.080 --> 01:11:57.576
pedestrian cycle connection in this

01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:59.175
location has been part of the precinct

01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:01.336
planning for more than a decade and the

01:12:01.360 --> 01:12:02.936
plans to which council claims are the

01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:05.256
catalyst of this planning proposal are

01:12:05.280 --> 01:12:06.936
 on hold pending an agreement from

01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:08.776
transport for New South Wales to use the

01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.800
M4 corridor so why rush to remove the

01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:13.416
public open space from a site that has

01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:16.056
development consent for 304 apartments

01:12:16.080 --> 01:12:18.936
the future residents deserve better

01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:20.536
the assertion that there is no longer a

01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:22.215
public purpose or desire for public

01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:23.816
access to the foreshore of Hassam's

01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:26.135
Creek linking the crossing of Hassams

01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:27.736
Creek to a crossing of Hill Road and

01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:30.215
John in Wing Parade defies universal

01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:31.976
principles of good urban design and

01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:34.376
planning council's planning proposal

01:12:34.400 --> 01:12:36.215
contradicts the state government's Card

01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.175
development  development framework the

01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.175
public open space network the removal of

01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:42.536
this public open space would be

01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:44.296
detrimental to the network of foreshore

01:12:44.320 --> 01:12:45.896
open space linking Carter Street

01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.856
Newington and Sydney Olympic Park

01:12:48.880 --> 01:12:50.695
the land that council's current proposal

01:12:50.719 --> 01:12:52.936
suggests should be reszoned into private

01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:54.776
recreation is meant to form part of the

01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.256
public open space network the maps and

01:12:57.280 --> 01:12:58.936
objectives that accompany our submission

01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:01.175
are evidence of that fact the

01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.256
coordination between council's cycleway

01:13:03.280 --> 01:13:04.695
plans and the cardry precinct

01:13:04.719 --> 01:13:06.456
development framework and Sydney Olympic

01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:08.616
Park authorities master plan 2050 is

01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:10.456
already poor but exacerbated by

01:13:10.480 --> 01:13:12.695
council's proposal to remove public open

01:13:12.719 --> 01:13:14.936
space and lack of infrastructure plans

01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.096
for improved connections

01:13:17.120 --> 01:13:18.695
whilst council is focused on the

01:13:18.719 --> 01:13:20.776
progression of a proposal to subtract

01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:22.776
this public benefit an opportunity to

01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:24.536
work with the developer of this site in

01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:26.456
pursuit of improved public connection is

01:13:26.480 --> 01:13:28.135
being missed and there is a fair

01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:29.336
alternative available for your

01:13:29.360 --> 01:13:30.856
consideration

01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:32.376
we support the recommendation of the

01:13:32.400 --> 01:13:34.135
local planning panel made in February

01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:36.695
earlier this year that is that the panel

01:13:36.719 --> 01:13:38.856
supports the council staff's position to

01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:40.456
remove the acquisition requirement from

01:13:40.480 --> 01:13:42.456
the land if the land is no longer needed

01:13:42.480 --> 01:13:45.480
for a public purpose however the panel

01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:47.896
considered that an appropriate landowner

01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:50.376
initiated planning proposal may better

01:13:50.400 --> 01:13:52.616
enable remediation of the land and

01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:54.536
future public access to the foreshore

01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:57.416
than the proposed RE2 private recreation

01:13:57.440 --> 01:14:00.296
zoning there is a clear public purpose

01:14:00.320 --> 01:14:02.135
of this land and there is also a better

01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:03.896
opportunity to work with the land owner

01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:06.215
initiated planning proposal

01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:07.976
it's been more than a month since the

01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:10.215
landowner met with council for the

01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.616
formal pre-planning proposal meeting but

01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:14.135
as at the time of submitting this

01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:16.456
submission last Thursday before 4 p.m we

01:14:16.480 --> 01:14:17.816
are yet to have received the formal

01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:19.336
feedback now in all fairness we did

01:14:19.360 --> 01:14:21.576
receive it on Friday afternoon  but we

01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:23.416
have yet had time to consider that that

01:14:23.440 --> 01:14:25.096
feedback

01:14:25.120 --> 01:14:26.856
why rush this proposal to remove public

01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:28.456
open space when you are not in a rush to

01:14:28.480 --> 01:14:30.135
work on the alternative landowner

01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:32.776
initiated opportunity council laws I

01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:33.816
encourage you to take the time to

01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:35.976
reconsider this proposal why remove a

01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.736
potential public benefit before council

01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:39.256
has properly done the work to assess the

01:14:39.280 --> 01:14:40.776
opportunities and needs of a growing

01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:43.800
community thank you Mr

01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:45.736
lord May back in to officiate

01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:48.760
proceedings

01:15:01.199 --> 01:15:04.199
councilors

01:15:12.320 --> 01:15:15.320
do we have any petitions to be tabled no

01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.960
do you have any recision motions no

01:15:20.080 --> 01:15:23.016
any procedural motion standing suspens

01:15:23.040 --> 01:15:24.456
is there any suspension of standing

01:15:24.480 --> 01:15:27.480
orders to amend the order of business

01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.096
no

01:15:31.120 --> 01:15:33.655
oh sorry this is to deal with with the

01:15:33.679 --> 01:15:35.256
items of the speakers as we've done

01:15:35.280 --> 01:15:37.416
historically so Deputy Lord May to be my

01:15:37.440 --> 01:15:38.695
point Lord Mayor that I'm happy to move

01:15:38.719 --> 01:15:40.296
a procedural motion that we excise out

01:15:40.320 --> 01:15:42.456
those four items and put them up front

01:15:42.480 --> 01:15:45.256
so I'll read so move Deputy Lord Mayor

01:15:45.280 --> 01:15:47.336
seconded

01:15:47.360 --> 01:15:49.896
councelor Raffoul

01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:51.655
 that in accordance with section 8 of

01:15:51.679 --> 01:15:52.776
council's code of meeting practice

01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:54.376
council resolve to amend the order of

01:15:54.400 --> 01:15:55.816
business to allow consideration of the

01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:58.296
following items ahead of all other

01:15:58.320 --> 01:16:01.320
business on the agenda one item com 25-3

01:16:03.440 --> 01:16:04.695
adoption of the creative parameter

01:16:04.719 --> 01:16:07.719
cultural strategy item com 25-13

01:16:08.080 --> 01:16:09.576
adoption of the youth inclusion

01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:12.600
framework item nom 2525

01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:14.456
establishment of historical museum for

01:16:14.480 --> 01:16:16.776
Parramatta

01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:19.096
the other one's confidential

01:16:19.120 --> 01:16:21.816
and then the other one you can move it

01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:23.736
it can be moved as a procedural motion

01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:25.416
but

01:16:25.440 --> 01:16:27.336
lord sorry myself and council pande

01:16:27.360 --> 01:16:29.896
would have to so can we just move the

01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:32.776
top three and then the last one we move

01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:35.736
when we won't vote on it is that okay

01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:38.760
so all those in favor I

01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:41.896
is this just to pull them out or to this

01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:44.695
is just to vote on them I do them now to

01:16:44.719 --> 01:16:47.719
do them now anyone against no so deputy

01:16:48.400 --> 01:16:49.816
lord may again I'll read that in

01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:51.496
accordance with section 8 of cod medium

01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:52.776
practice Council resolved amend the

01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:54.456
order of business to allow consideration

01:16:54.480 --> 01:16:55.976
of the following items ahead of all

01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.056
other businesses on the agenda item

01:16:58.080 --> 01:16:59.976
OCM25-30

01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:01.655
um-8

01:17:01.679 --> 01:17:04.679
deferred item com 25-10 councilled

01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:07.816
planning proposal reszoning of land in

01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:10.456
Hill Road Lick just noting clarification

01:17:10.480 --> 01:17:12.056
that councelor Pandai and I will not be

01:17:12.080 --> 01:17:13.736
voting

01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:16.056
may will the chairs of each committee

01:17:16.080 --> 01:17:18.536
move those no because it's procedural

01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:21.560
motion councelor they're being excised

01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.936
but are they just are they being excised

01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:26.856
anyone as a procedural motion can um

01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:28.296
counselor is the advice that I've been

01:17:28.320 --> 01:17:29.976
given

01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.616
anyone can move it and it's already been

01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:34.536
voted so now we're just up to the hill

01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:37.560
road one says move to be lord may again

01:17:42.320 --> 01:17:44.695
bring

01:17:44.719 --> 01:17:46.776
so k we voted to bring them forward so

01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.175
what we'll do now we'll vote on those

01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:51.336
before we do the last one yeah okay so

01:17:51.360 --> 01:17:53.736
now I'll put before you counselors item

01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:56.695
comp 2513 adoption of the creative

01:17:56.719 --> 01:17:58.936
parameter cultural strategy so can

01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:01.960
anyone move it or does the convenor or

01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.056
the chair have to move does anyone want

01:18:04.080 --> 01:18:05.576
to speak to Council French will move it

01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:08.600
no I'll second it lord May okay

01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.655
cool so with no Do you want to speak on

01:18:11.679 --> 01:18:13.816
it Council French then go ahead thank

01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:15.256
you Lord may I just want to speak

01:18:15.280 --> 01:18:17.655
briefly to thank Annne Luxley for

01:18:17.679 --> 01:18:19.736
speaking in the public forum this

01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.760
evening and of course to Ace for the

01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:24.695
incredible work that you do for our

01:18:24.719 --> 01:18:27.175
community  thank you again to all the

01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:29.736
staff and artists and organizations who

01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:32.760
worked or consulted on this strategy it

01:18:33.679 --> 01:18:35.816
is something that we should be very

01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:38.776
proud of to have these big creative and

01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:41.496
cultural ambitions for our City and for

01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.976
our communities i think this strategy

01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:47.000
maps a path to becoming the epicenter

01:18:48.080 --> 01:18:49.896
of greater Sydney's arts and cultural

01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:52.695
production participation and creative

01:18:52.719 --> 01:18:55.719
economy whilst ensuring that our local

01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:58.376
artists and organizations are at the

01:18:58.400 --> 01:19:01.400
heart of this growth i also want to echo

01:19:01.679 --> 01:19:04.536
your sentiment an on the importance of

01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:06.616
supporting the development of cultural

01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.640
infrastructure as well as removing or

01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:11.896
reducing the barriers for arts and

01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:14.920
cultural organizations to be sustainably

01:19:15.280 --> 01:19:18.280
based in Parramatta long-term this is

01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:21.175
fundamental to this growth thank you

01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:23.816
again

01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:25.256
all right council i put the motion all

01:19:25.280 --> 01:19:27.976
those in favor I anyone against no

01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:31.000
carried unanimously next item is com

01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:33.896
25-13 adoption of the youth inclusion

01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:36.376
framework so move councelor proceive

01:19:36.400 --> 01:19:39.400
seconded deputy lord may  council pro

01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:40.695
did you want to speak or happy to put it

01:19:40.719 --> 01:19:43.655
to a vote um put it to a vote sorry can

01:19:43.679 --> 01:19:46.056
I speak French go ahead sorry just I

01:19:46.080 --> 01:19:47.816
also wanted to thank Yashelle for

01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:50.536
speaking to us tonight wonderful to hear

01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.560
directly from you um again I'm very

01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:55.896
proud that the City of Parramatta has done

01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:58.920
this work together with you and excited

01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:02.135
to see the actions that will arise so

01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:04.056
thank you

01:20:04.080 --> 01:20:06.856
can I speak can I speak yes you may i I

01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:08.215
actually want to thank the members of

01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:11.016
the committee the cultural the triple C

01:20:11.040 --> 01:20:13.896
anyway who worked who  actually we

01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:16.215
discussed this at the meeting and people

01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:19.239
worked really hard staff worked hard on

01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:22.520
both of these um frameworks and

01:20:23.440 --> 01:20:25.576
community consultation

01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:28.215
particularly as councelor French said

01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:30.695
the youth inclusion one

01:20:30.719 --> 01:20:33.719
um they are really big deals and Um we

01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:39.640
are just so proud that they came through

01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:42.840
our committee thank you thank you

01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:44.616
councelor put that to a vote all those

01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:47.640
in favor i anyone against no

01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:51.800
um item number 25-25 establishment of a

01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:55.159
historical museum for Parramatta

01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:57.496
councelor Pender thank you Lord May i'll

01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:00.520
move that

01:21:01.120 --> 01:21:03.576
 got councelor Greenwood

01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:05.336
 thank you Lord Mayor i'd like to move

01:21:05.360 --> 01:21:07.816
an amendment to the motion which I hope

01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:10.616
will be acceptable to the mover and that

01:21:10.640 --> 01:21:13.640
is that um council consult with

01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:16.776
significant heritage stakeholders in the

01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:19.016
City of Parramatta local government area

01:21:19.040 --> 01:21:20.616
and I'm thinking particularly of the

01:21:20.640 --> 01:21:23.256
Parramatta heritage panel is that the right

01:21:23.280 --> 01:21:25.736
word heritage panel and the female

01:21:25.760 --> 01:21:27.896
factory and other significant

01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:30.920
stakeholders in preparation of the

01:21:31.040 --> 01:21:33.256
report

01:21:33.280 --> 01:21:36.280
council pande Do you accept yes i think

01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:38.616
Can we just see the wording on the

01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:41.640
screen c um guys can you see the wording

01:21:45.120 --> 01:21:48.120
yes

01:22:04.639 --> 01:22:07.016
yeah I was just um maybe I I would like

01:22:07.040 --> 01:22:09.496
to a word um I think that's a great

01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:11.976
suggestion also Greenwood i was probably

01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:13.896
going to put relevant stakeholders

01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:16.615
somewhere in that   which includes

01:22:16.639 --> 01:22:19.639
is not limiting just to um

01:22:20.719 --> 01:22:23.416
the heritage groups and  there might

01:22:23.440 --> 01:22:25.256
be other stakeholders which who might

01:22:25.280 --> 01:22:28.280
have some input into this so yeah thank

01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:31.800
you um councilors um I begin by thanking

01:22:32.719 --> 01:22:35.096
everyone who has put their submission um

01:22:35.120 --> 01:22:37.496
or has provided some input into this

01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:40.520
this norm i thank  Cheryl Bates OM for

01:22:41.280 --> 01:22:44.280
speaking um taking the time to speak on

01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:47.175
the norm um I also acknowledge Lori

01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:50.199
Bennett who has  been um

01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:53.736
a custodian of enormous amount of

01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:55.736
knowledge and history of this area

01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:57.416
councelor Bradley as well who has been

01:22:57.440 --> 01:23:00.440
always supportive of  of heritage

01:23:01.040 --> 01:23:04.040
and history in in the NGA

01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:07.159
um I also want to thank  the staff I

01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:09.256
think former and current there are

01:23:09.280 --> 01:23:11.175
number of staff whom we have lost it now

01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:13.736
um  from the past um they're not

01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:15.416
working with us anymore but I think I

01:23:15.440 --> 01:23:17.576
want to thank them as well for their

01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:20.215
work in preserving and showcasing our

01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:22.936
history um through various exhibitions

01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:25.960
and um  her heritage center as well

01:23:26.080 --> 01:23:29.080
which  has been there before as Cheryl

01:23:30.080 --> 01:23:32.695
spoke the idea of museum is not new in

01:23:32.719 --> 01:23:35.496
fact it started in 1888

01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:38.520
and in 1911 again um so 114 years ago

01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:44.840
so this is something which  um and in

01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:47.816
fact Jubilee Hall was a result of that

01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:50.776
and we found that from Cheryl's speech

01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:53.256
um so it is something it's not new it is

01:23:53.280 --> 01:23:54.376
something which has been plotted

01:23:54.400 --> 01:23:57.400
multiple many times but let me ask this

01:23:58.400 --> 01:24:00.536
question what major City does not have a

01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:03.016
museum that reflects its past present

01:24:03.040 --> 01:24:05.816
and aspiration for future i think if you

01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:08.840
are aspiring to be a global City um a a

01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:13.239
museum which can put the collections is

01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:16.776
um is definitely something which we need

01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:19.416
we need an icon in parameter icon off

01:24:19.440 --> 01:24:22.056
parameter drawing tourism  drawing

01:24:22.080 --> 01:24:24.456
local and international visitors

01:24:24.480 --> 01:24:25.896
i'll give you only one you know some

01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:27.496
example there are many examples from the

01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:30.056
past but there was a museum  woman

01:24:30.080 --> 01:24:32.135
transported which was a landmark

01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:35.159
exhibition which drew about 11,000

01:24:36.400 --> 01:24:38.615
visitors to Parramatta about 10 years ago

01:24:38.639 --> 01:24:41.639
12 years ago and that's the that's the

01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:44.936
that's the kind of tourism that we can

01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:47.960
have in Parramatta if we do well in terms

01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.256
of um showcasing our history and

01:24:51.280 --> 01:24:53.736
heritage

01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:56.056
councelor Lord Mayor um every great City

01:24:56.080 --> 01:24:59.080
international um  which is as aspires

01:24:59.360 --> 01:25:02.360
to be a global City has museum we have

01:25:02.400 --> 01:25:05.256
Melbourne Orange City of Sydney a number

01:25:05.280 --> 01:25:08.280
of um  council which has their own

01:25:09.120 --> 01:25:12.120
museum except Parramatta while we are

01:25:12.400 --> 01:25:14.456
looking at more permanent museum lord

01:25:14.480 --> 01:25:16.536
Mayor the suggestion which is one part

01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:19.560
of the um norm is also that we

01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:25.000
do the ground work um by establishing

01:25:26.320 --> 01:25:29.320
a temporary museum  to showcase our um

01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:33.175
history and heritage and the exhibition

01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:34.695
center here in this building could be

01:25:34.719 --> 01:25:36.615
one of the place where we can do that

01:25:36.639 --> 01:25:38.135
and I'll I'm happy to leave that with

01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:41.159
staff to come up with some ideas um

01:25:43.440 --> 01:25:46.440
Lord may museums are one of those things

01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:49.576
which brings everyone in our community

01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:52.600
together um whether you are um sports

01:25:54.480 --> 01:25:56.776
fanatic or whether you are in arts and

01:25:56.800 --> 01:25:59.336
culture whether you are in science it is

01:25:59.360 --> 01:26:00.856
something which brings all of us

01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:03.880
together so um it is something which is

01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:07.000
absolutely um vital for in my view to

01:26:08.480 --> 01:26:11.480
preserve protect but also to um make

01:26:12.480 --> 01:26:15.416
this City a great City

01:26:15.440 --> 01:26:18.440
international City

01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:20.376
it is one of the ways that we find the

01:26:20.400 --> 01:26:23.336
evolution of the place and its people um

01:26:23.360 --> 01:26:26.360
in the absence of um

01:26:26.719 --> 01:26:29.719
a permanent museum I think we are losing

01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:31.576
um that history we were losing that

01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:33.256
history of evolution of the place as

01:26:33.280 --> 01:26:35.175
well as its people and I do want to

01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:37.496
thank everyone who under very um

01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:39.896
difficult circumstances I would say is

01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:42.920
trying to protect that history a number

01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:44.856
of organizations have their own

01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:47.416
collections um and they do display and

01:26:47.440 --> 01:26:50.056
exhibit them a time to time which I

01:26:50.080 --> 01:26:53.080
understand is not ideal because it there

01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:55.416
is a lot of resources which goes into

01:26:55.440 --> 01:26:58.440
this um and I think as council we should

01:26:58.639 --> 01:27:01.639
be providing that platform

01:27:02.000 --> 01:27:03.896
um I also understand Lord May that some

01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:05.576
of the things which we had in the past

01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:07.576
are housed in this building in this

01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:09.256
building we have  some of the

01:27:09.280 --> 01:27:12.280
artifacts from past but the question is

01:27:12.719 --> 01:27:14.936
Lord Mayor that um is our history

01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:17.096
extension thank you Lord May it won't

01:27:17.120 --> 01:27:18.776
take won't be long but all those in

01:27:18.800 --> 01:27:21.416
favor all right yeah anyone against no

01:27:21.440 --> 01:27:22.936
the question is Lord Mayor is our

01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:25.655
history only deserving and worthy of two

01:27:25.679 --> 01:27:28.679
selves in this building probably not um

01:27:29.280 --> 01:27:31.016
I think it's good that we have some

01:27:31.040 --> 01:27:32.936
aspects of history displayed in this

01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:35.736
building um on level one and two but we

01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:38.760
need to do more um Lord we do not we are

01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:41.175
not a small town centers anymore we have

01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:44.199
aspirations for a global City um and a

01:27:44.320 --> 01:27:47.320
museum will fit in that aspiration i'll

01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:50.856
conclude by saying this Lord may that um

01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:53.576
the best time to create a museum was 114

01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:56.600
years ago and the next best time is now

01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:00.760
and if not now then when

01:28:01.040 --> 01:28:02.856
thank you

01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:05.816
thanks councel council um thank you

01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:08.296
Lord Mayor and councelor um Pandy this

01:28:08.320 --> 01:28:10.215
is an absolutely great notice of motion

01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:13.239
and I do agree with you um you know

01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:15.896
we've been talking a very long time now

01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.776
about um establishing a heritage um

01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.800
museum in fact as recent as May 27 of

01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.760
2024 in this very chamber I raised

01:28:27.120 --> 01:28:29.976
exactly the same notice of motion and

01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.856
that is that the CEO provide and and I

01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:35.880
will preface that by saying thank you to

01:28:36.480 --> 01:28:38.936
former councelor Lori Bennett because it

01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:41.960
was because of his vision and his

01:28:42.400 --> 01:28:45.256
advocacy for such a museum that I

01:28:45.280 --> 01:28:46.856
brought that notice of motion to this

01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:48.936
chamber so all credit to  former

01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:51.096
councelor Bennett but I'll read that

01:28:51.120 --> 01:28:54.120
motion which um I proposed along and

01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:56.856
seconded by councelor Gar and that is

01:28:56.880 --> 01:28:59.880
that the CEO provide a report to council

01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:02.456
on the potential establishment of a

01:29:02.480 --> 01:29:05.480
standalone heritage facility in the

01:29:05.600 --> 01:29:07.655
Fleet Street precinct including

01:29:07.679 --> 01:29:10.679
estimated capital and operational costs

01:29:10.719 --> 01:29:13.016
potential funding sources and

01:29:13.040 --> 01:29:15.496
opportunities to partner with relevant

01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:18.456
state agencies and local stakeholders

01:29:18.480 --> 01:29:20.536
and whilst at the time Miss Bates I know

01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:23.175
we had um your public forum which you

01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:25.816
know perhaps um didn't quite agree with

01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:27.896
the location and I accept and respect

01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:30.920
your opinion um however the amendment by

01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:34.920
um former sorry deputy lord may

01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:39.000
councelor Mlan and seconded by deputy

01:29:39.280 --> 01:29:41.736
lord mayor council councelor proceive at

01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.760
the time stated that the council defer

01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:48.376
consideration of this matter until such

01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:50.936
time as the property strategy and

01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:53.960
cultural strategy is complete now my

01:29:54.080 --> 01:29:57.080
understanding is that um we're still

01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:00.135
waiting on that property strategy so I

01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:02.456
have two questions um through you Lord

01:30:02.480 --> 01:30:05.480
Mayor to the relevant officer will the

01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:08.296
notice of motion that I raised back in

01:30:08.320 --> 01:30:11.320
May of 2024 be revisited once the

01:30:12.080 --> 01:30:15.080
property strategy is complete

01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:18.920
and if the answer to that is yes then I

01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:21.496
believe that this notice of motion is

01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:24.520
redundant

01:30:26.400 --> 01:30:27.896
council I'll move it through me to the

01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:30.920
CEO thank you Lord May

01:30:32.080 --> 01:30:33.896
lord May my understanding is that

01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:36.215
councelor Valjac's motion continues to

01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:37.976
show on the outstanding resolutions as

01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:39.655
awaiting the property strategy which is

01:30:39.679 --> 01:30:41.336
due for completion and present

01:30:41.360 --> 01:30:43.976
presentation to council this month once

01:30:44.000 --> 01:30:47.000
that  property strategy is  adopted

01:30:47.440 --> 01:30:49.496
then your motion will become active

01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:51.816
again and it will be considered um the

01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:54.536
staff can certainly take  this motion

01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:56.936
tonight if it's resolved by council and

01:30:56.960 --> 01:30:58.776
 look at them in as they complement

01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:00.456
each other and we can look at them in

01:31:00.480 --> 01:31:03.480
tandem

01:31:05.280 --> 01:31:07.816
can I suggest that the motion it's a

01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:09.336
great motion if we can they're both

01:31:09.360 --> 01:31:11.896
great motions we can somehow incorporate

01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:14.376
an amendment here that this in line with

01:31:14.400 --> 01:31:17.400
the previously deferred one  I'm happy

01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.776
strategy yeah I just I guess it's just

01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:23.016
to find the medium a lot man I'm happy

01:31:23.040 --> 01:31:25.416
to accept um something along those lines

01:31:25.440 --> 01:31:27.896
which you're saying we recently looked

01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:29.736
at property strategy there was no

01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:32.760
mention of a museum in the strategy so

01:31:33.120 --> 01:31:35.896
I'm not sure how property strategy will

01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:38.456
help I I agree with you um councelor

01:31:38.480 --> 01:31:40.456
Panty that was the response that I had

01:31:40.480 --> 01:31:42.776
from your team who voted against my

01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:45.175
notice of motion and asked me to be

01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:48.135
patient um and I believe on the night um

01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:50.215
 councelor MLAN or deputy lord mayor

01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:52.056
councelor Mlan spoke very eloquently

01:31:52.080 --> 01:31:54.615
about me being patient and waiting for

01:31:54.639 --> 01:31:56.936
the property strategy um to be completed

01:31:56.960 --> 01:31:58.536
so I think it's only fair that we

01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:01.560
address and and I want to understand

01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:05.016
what the process is when we have a

01:32:05.040 --> 01:32:07.256
duplicate notice of motion if somebody

01:32:07.280 --> 01:32:09.976
could answer that question for me come

01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:11.816
they're not same no I I don't think it's

01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:13.336
the same lord Mayor it's exactly the

01:32:13.360 --> 01:32:15.816
same council council is um through me

01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:18.840
i'll ask the CEO if

01:32:20.480 --> 01:32:23.016
I got the motion here i can read it can

01:32:23.040 --> 01:32:26.040
you read it we know nothing

01:32:27.040 --> 01:32:30.040
so the original motion was that the CEO

01:32:30.320 --> 01:32:31.976
provide a report to council on the

01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:33.976
potential establishment of a standalone

01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:35.896
heritage facility in the Fleet Street

01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:38.296
precinct including estimated capital and

01:32:38.320 --> 01:32:40.296
operational cost potential funding

01:32:40.320 --> 01:32:42.456
sources and opportunities to partner

01:32:42.480 --> 01:32:44.376
with relevant state agencies and local

01:32:44.400 --> 01:32:47.400
stakeholders the amendment that got up

01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:49.496
was that council defer further

01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:51.256
consideration of this matter until such

01:32:51.280 --> 01:32:53.175
time as the property strategy and

01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:55.816
cultural strategy is complete i'm happy

01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:57.896
to wait until that point in time and

01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:00.376
perhaps we can bring it up at that point

01:33:00.400 --> 01:33:03.400
and and amend um some of those because

01:33:03.440 --> 01:33:06.440
really I I think it's a duplication it's

01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:10.296
exactly what is already in the system

01:33:10.320 --> 01:33:13.175
threw me to councelor Pandy it is not a

01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:14.856
duplication because I think you just

01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:17.576
read it you know the the the area was in

01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:20.600
fleet street it's a heritage center um

01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:22.536
but it should also be go but since then

01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:24.695
we also have a heritage advisory panel

01:33:24.719 --> 01:33:26.296
and I believe very strongly it should be

01:33:26.320 --> 01:33:28.536
going through that ad heritage advis so

01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:30.695
let's wait until that comes back it gets

01:33:30.719 --> 01:33:32.615
resolved it goes to the heritage

01:33:32.639 --> 01:33:34.776
advisory panel and then we move on I

01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:36.776
think we kicking the can further down so

01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:38.856
and based on the ex based on what

01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:40.936
happened last year council Well Jack if

01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:42.296
that's the case that we have to wait

01:33:42.320 --> 01:33:44.135
another one year I don't think it's

01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:47.016
acceptable i think sorry you voted for

01:33:47.040 --> 01:33:48.536
that last year you deliberately

01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:50.615
councilors I can't have debate through

01:33:50.639 --> 01:33:52.296
you two it's going to come through me

01:33:52.320 --> 01:33:54.856
and any questions sorry sorry you've

01:33:54.880 --> 01:33:57.880
both spoken so you voted against it and

01:33:58.400 --> 01:34:01.400
now you're telling me you voted against

01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:04.440
what I proposed last term and you told

01:34:05.040 --> 01:34:07.416
me to wait which I've done respectfully

01:34:07.440 --> 01:34:10.376
i accept I I expect that you will do the

01:34:10.400 --> 01:34:12.376
same and wait patiently for the property

01:34:12.400 --> 01:34:14.456
strategy they'll come up with options of

01:34:14.480 --> 01:34:16.695
of venues and we leave it at that

01:34:16.719 --> 01:34:18.936
because I'm really sorry i was so upset

01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:21.016
last term when you would not support me

01:34:21.040 --> 01:34:23.576
on this i think it's only fair is a

01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:26.215
current notice of motion in the system

01:34:26.239 --> 01:34:28.456
awaiting completion and I think it's

01:34:28.480 --> 01:34:29.816
only fair that we wait for that to run

01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:31.655
its course

01:34:31.679 --> 01:34:33.496
i agree

01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:36.520
okay um councelor Darly

01:34:37.440 --> 01:34:39.016
I'm glad councelor Bjac brought it up

01:34:39.040 --> 01:34:41.256
because I I did speak to councelor Pandy

01:34:41.280 --> 01:34:44.280
today um not only for me it was also in

01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:46.456
reference to the heritage strategy

01:34:46.480 --> 01:34:48.296
that's currently being worked on and I

01:34:48.320 --> 01:34:50.056
must admit I was surprised to see that

01:34:50.080 --> 01:34:53.080
the staff response was from um

01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:55.576
Christopher Snelling sorry and your team

01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:57.896
because for me it was part of the bigger

01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:00.695
heritage strategy and and I thought we

01:35:00.719 --> 01:35:02.936
were going to get a response from Rob um

01:35:02.960 --> 01:35:05.256
from the planning team from from Rob's

01:35:05.280 --> 01:35:08.280
um team so I also agree I and that was

01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.175
what I raised with with councelor Pandy

01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:13.256
that I actually feel that this is part

01:35:13.280 --> 01:35:16.280
of a a bigger set of work um

01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.016
to be honest until I reread yours I

01:35:19.040 --> 01:35:20.856
actually my recollection council falick

01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:22.456
if your notice of motion was about an

01:35:22.480 --> 01:35:24.615
information center but either way I

01:35:24.639 --> 01:35:26.615
brought up with councelor Pandy today

01:35:26.639 --> 01:35:29.096
both having housing and an information

01:35:29.120 --> 01:35:31.976
visitor center with the museum to me

01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:35.000
makes sense um I didn't agree which is

01:35:35.040 --> 01:35:36.615
why I voted against it last time about

01:35:36.639 --> 01:35:38.135
the location and I think we needed to

01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:41.096
look at that bigger picture um I think

01:35:41.120 --> 01:35:44.120
Kiora House which I hopefully pronounced

01:35:44.719 --> 01:35:47.336
properly um but again it's not property

01:35:47.360 --> 01:35:49.816
we own um neither of them were so it's

01:35:49.840 --> 01:35:51.016
something that we need to look at

01:35:51.040 --> 01:35:53.816
absolutely heritage for me defines our

01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:55.816
unique fabric of of Parramatta it's

01:35:55.840 --> 01:35:58.536
something that we absolutely should do

01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:00.615
but I agree council vjek that it also

01:36:00.639 --> 01:36:02.135
needs to be done as part of the property

01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:03.655
strategy and the heritage strategy and

01:36:03.679 --> 01:36:05.576
we need to consult with our heritage

01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:07.976
advisory panel and that seems like a lot

01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:10.215
but it's about getting it right um I

01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:13.239
also know that the patience wears thin

01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:15.816
and um I had the same frustration a

01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:17.096
number of my notices of motion were

01:36:17.120 --> 01:36:19.256
deferred for the property strategy and

01:36:19.280 --> 01:36:21.416
frankly that strategyy's taken far too

01:36:21.440 --> 01:36:23.416
long um and that's where I think we need

01:36:23.440 --> 01:36:24.776
to be putting our efforts because if

01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:26.376
this strategy work was done and we had

01:36:26.400 --> 01:36:27.896
the clear plan and we'd allocated the

01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:29.496
resources then we wouldn't be having

01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:32.520
this debate so um I'm not sure now how

01:36:33.120 --> 01:36:36.120
we

01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:39.736
the heritage

01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:41.496
Yeah when I was going to make a little

01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:43.175
amendment suggest an amendment to the

01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:45.336
part of end of a which is around the

01:36:45.360 --> 01:36:47.416
heritage

01:36:47.440 --> 01:36:49.816
um and property strategy that they're

01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:51.655
done as part of that again for me this

01:36:51.679 --> 01:36:54.376
is such a fundamental key p key piece of

01:36:54.400 --> 01:36:57.095
work and and I hand on heart would hope

01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:58.856
that it's already that in the heritage

01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:00.776
strategy that it's that I believe

01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:02.456
actually I'll ask a question when the

01:37:02.480 --> 01:37:04.135
expected time frame is for the heritage

01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:06.215
strategy to come to the chamber through

01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:09.239
you Lord Mayor to the relevant officer

01:37:09.440 --> 01:37:12.440
um Pana do you accept the amendment what

01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:14.135
is the amendment oh sorry i'm just

01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:16.135
asking about sorry the heritage strategy

01:37:16.159 --> 01:37:18.936
what the time frame is um through me to

01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:21.256
Mr colonia

01:37:21.280 --> 01:37:23.175
through you Lord May we I expect that

01:37:23.199 --> 01:37:24.695
the strategy will come to you in the

01:37:24.719 --> 01:37:27.719
next few months

01:37:28.080 --> 01:37:29.976
well we'll just wait for the month for

01:37:30.000 --> 01:37:32.615
it to come through we've got a process

01:37:32.639 --> 01:37:34.536
the resolution's in the system it'll

01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:36.296
come back for us to review and then we

01:37:36.320 --> 01:37:37.896
can add whatever we want to council

01:37:37.920 --> 01:37:39.976
councelor Dar's got the floors back so

01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:41.816
yeah so I was just thinking  councelor

01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:44.776
panley at the end of a that you say

01:37:44.800 --> 01:37:47.736
establishing a museum um that includes

01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:49.256
what as part of the property and

01:37:49.280 --> 01:37:52.056
heritage strategies

01:37:52.080 --> 01:37:55.080
does that would that cover off

01:37:59.119 --> 01:38:01.256
yeah that's fine

01:38:01.280 --> 01:38:04.280
that's fine yeah

01:38:04.480 --> 01:38:07.480
no so just at the end of part A

01:38:08.320 --> 01:38:10.936
um includes as part of the property and

01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:13.960
heritage strategies

01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:22.296
um and I just want to clarify the time

01:38:22.320 --> 01:38:24.135
frame is there a time frame currently on

01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:26.615
the when the report's due back sorry do

01:38:26.639 --> 01:38:29.639
you mind scrolling you just added one by

01:38:30.080 --> 01:38:33.080
Okay so if it's part of that then Okay

01:38:33.280 --> 01:38:36.280
thank you thank you can I ask a question

01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:39.880
yes you may ask a question but Judy Judy

01:38:40.080 --> 01:38:42.695
was next so we'll go just a question

01:38:42.719 --> 01:38:44.376
hypothetically speaking if I cut and

01:38:44.400 --> 01:38:45.816
paste the notices of motion from

01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:47.816
tonight's meeting and submitted him for

01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:49.976
next would it be allowed

01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.695
what no you got to take three months

01:38:52.719 --> 01:38:55.719
councelor Councel Greenwood next no it's

01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:58.840
a question I want answered lord May um

01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:03.416
yes you can i I canirect as long as not

01:39:03.440 --> 01:39:06.056
a direct negative so I can I can have

01:39:06.080 --> 01:39:08.215
the same motion next week next council

01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:09.896
meeting as long as not a direct negative

01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:12.135
as long as not Okay cool i look forward

01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:14.296
to duplicating all the motions for next

01:39:14.320 --> 01:39:17.016
month for me but if it was voted down it

01:39:17.040 --> 01:39:20.040
was voted down councelor Greenwood

01:39:21.040 --> 01:39:24.040
 thank you Lord Mayor um so  I moved

01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:27.816
to Parramatta because I fell in love with

01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:29.736
the heritage and the natural bush land

01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:32.536
of this place and I think Parramatta is

01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:34.296
very unique in that we've got the

01:39:34.320 --> 01:39:36.856
opportunity to interweave story lines of

01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:39.736
Aboriginal history European settlement

01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:41.336
and all the subsequent waves of

01:39:41.360 --> 01:39:44.360
settlement that have come so I I concur

01:39:44.639 --> 01:39:47.496
that bringing out storylines is really a

01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:49.175
very important part of what we need to

01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:52.199
do to make heritage relevant and

01:39:52.320 --> 01:39:55.256
interesting to people and also to

01:39:55.280 --> 01:39:57.816
celebrate the things that we have

01:39:57.840 --> 01:40:00.615
created together

01:40:00.639 --> 01:40:03.175
um I didn't actually realize that I

01:40:03.199 --> 01:40:05.736
wasn't being original in this but um

01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:07.576
Cheryl Bates said the same thing and

01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:09.816
apparently Neil Pearson said the same

01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:12.776
thing back in 2017 so I'm really just

01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:14.776
riding a wave

01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:17.736
um my vision is for a grand heritage

01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:20.536
narrative not just the preservation of

01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:23.336
some of our colonial history and we can

01:40:23.360 --> 01:40:25.896
do much more than simple heritage

01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:28.920
preservation we are a global City and

01:40:28.960 --> 01:40:30.695
we're seeking to appreciate and preserve

01:40:30.719 --> 01:40:33.576
our cultural legacies but also to

01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:36.376
promote new cultural interpretations

01:40:36.400 --> 01:40:38.456
while reaping the economic educational

01:40:38.480 --> 01:40:41.175
and social benefits that come with it as

01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:43.816
my fellow counselor said global cities

01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:46.776
all have history and tourists come to

01:40:46.800 --> 01:40:49.800
see and hear that history and Parramatta

01:40:50.080 --> 01:40:52.135
has a very unique history in the mixture

01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:55.159
of migra cultures that comes here so

01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:57.655
engaging heritage sites major tourist

01:40:57.679 --> 01:40:59.576
attractions that draw visitors from

01:40:59.600 --> 01:41:01.256
around the world and boosts the local

01:41:01.280 --> 01:41:03.095
economy

01:41:03.119 --> 01:41:05.816
it also fosters community sorry heritage

01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:07.336
preservation fosters community

01:41:07.360 --> 01:41:10.360
engagement and participation and builds

01:41:10.480 --> 01:41:13.336
a sense of community

01:41:13.360 --> 01:41:15.576
so cities that value and promote her

01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:18.296
heritage gain global recognition and

01:41:18.320 --> 01:41:20.856
respect and in parameter we very much

01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:22.695
want to be a global City with global

01:41:22.719 --> 01:41:25.719
recognition and respect now I'm very

01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:28.056
mindful of

01:41:28.080 --> 01:41:30.695
council val obviously supports this

01:41:30.719 --> 01:41:33.496
opinion as well councel Panda Council

01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:36.520
Darling I think we we probably all

01:41:37.040 --> 01:41:39.496
support establishment of heritage and I

01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:41.416
think we should just go forward with it

01:41:41.440 --> 01:41:44.376
forward with it councelor Valjac without

01:41:44.400 --> 01:41:47.175
any disrespect intended i honor motion

01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:49.496
that you bought but I would rather just

01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:50.776
move on with this now and bring it back

01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:52.536
with the heritage strategy which would

01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:55.560
be after the property strategy is

01:41:56.480 --> 01:41:59.480
settled thank you councilors just to

01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:02.135
clarify we've all spoken so that for the

01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:04.215
only speaker left would be unless

01:42:04.239 --> 01:42:06.376
there's a question it'll be right of

01:42:06.400 --> 01:42:08.215
reply just to let you know that the

01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:10.536
property strategy will be coming to this

01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:13.416
chamber in the next month so it will be

01:42:13.440 --> 01:42:16.296
resolved so your motion councelor Valjac

01:42:16.320 --> 01:42:18.056
will be looked at I've just been told

01:42:18.080 --> 01:42:19.655
straight after the adoption of the

01:42:19.679 --> 01:42:21.256
property strategy which is happening in

01:42:21.280 --> 01:42:24.280
the next ordinary meeting so my question

01:42:24.719 --> 01:42:26.776
through you lord may then to the then

01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:28.615
why do we need a duplicate notice of

01:42:28.639 --> 01:42:31.095
motion this evening sorry I I just think

01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:34.119
it's extra work for the staff we already

01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:36.456
have a Oh for good it's It was a

01:42:36.480 --> 01:42:39.336
heritage it was a heritage museum even

01:42:39.360 --> 01:42:41.095
then when we spoke about it if you go

01:42:41.119 --> 01:42:43.336
back and look at the transcript of Miss

01:42:43.360 --> 01:42:46.296
Bates she spoke about a museum at the

01:42:46.320 --> 01:42:49.256
time we've all got the same intent i'm

01:42:49.280 --> 01:42:52.280
asking the question please answer it's a

01:42:52.480 --> 01:42:54.776
simple question

01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:56.856
does that mean that this is red like

01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:58.695
redundant we've already got a notice of

01:42:58.719 --> 01:43:01.256
motion in the system

01:43:01.280 --> 01:43:03.256
i'm just curious what happens in this

01:43:03.280 --> 01:43:06.280
instance where we have another to see it

01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:08.456
and we're doing another one tonight on

01:43:08.480 --> 01:43:10.695
the same topic

01:43:10.719 --> 01:43:13.719
throw me for sea

01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:16.296
 Lord May there is nothing that

01:43:16.320 --> 01:43:18.296
prevents the council from resolving

01:43:18.320 --> 01:43:20.536
similar motions there are restrictions

01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:22.615
on bringing motions relate to motions

01:43:22.639 --> 01:43:24.215
that have been previously lost or are

01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:25.896
direct negatives or inconsistent for

01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:28.776
example that the latest resolution

01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:30.215
um always prevails if there are

01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:32.215
previously inconsistent resolutions i

01:43:32.239 --> 01:43:33.736
don't believe that the staff think that

01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.760
this is inconsistent  we are

01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:38.695
looking at establishing a museum for

01:43:38.719 --> 01:43:40.215
Parramatta whether it's in the Fleet Street

01:43:40.239 --> 01:43:42.615
Heritage Precinct or elsewhere the two

01:43:42.639 --> 01:43:44.376
motions are complimentary in my view

01:43:44.400 --> 01:43:45.976
they're not inconsistent that work can

01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:48.695
be done at the same time  the time

01:43:48.719 --> 01:43:50.936
frame in that staff have provided for

01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:53.416
councelor Panday was within around 3

01:43:53.440 --> 01:43:55.416
months of the end of the motion your

01:43:55.440 --> 01:43:57.336
motion takes precedence of it but

01:43:57.360 --> 01:43:59.175
obviously it's overlapping work and it

01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:00.776
will happen at the same time so sorry

01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:02.776
I'm I'm confused did you say the latest

01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:04.615
motion takes precedent or the first one

01:44:04.639 --> 01:44:07.639
takes precedent throw me for sea

01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:11.496
if they are inconsistent the latest

01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:13.175
motion takes no they're consistent these

01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:15.175
are the same things so which one takes

01:44:15.199 --> 01:44:18.199
precedent the neither takes precedent

01:44:18.239 --> 01:44:19.655
because they are consistent with each

01:44:19.679 --> 01:44:21.416
other they both need to be acted on as

01:44:21.440 --> 01:44:24.215
lawful resolutions of the council when

01:44:24.239 --> 01:44:26.296
one is inconsistent with the previous

01:44:26.320 --> 01:44:28.056
resolution so the council may resolve to

01:44:28.080 --> 01:44:29.496
do something and then resolve to stop

01:44:29.520 --> 01:44:31.896
doing something the latest mo the latest

01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:34.215
resolution prevails in those instances

01:44:34.239 --> 01:44:36.536
so council of put up a motion more than

01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:38.856
12 months ago and now we're saying we're

01:44:38.880 --> 01:44:40.376
treating motion that came on the floor

01:44:40.400 --> 01:44:43.400
tonight with the same priority

01:44:47.040 --> 01:44:49.336
no look may I did not say we were

01:44:49.360 --> 01:44:50.615
treating it with the same priority i

01:44:50.639 --> 01:44:52.376
said they are complimentary the work has

01:44:52.400 --> 01:44:55.400
started on councelor Valj

01:44:56.400 --> 01:44:58.056
before we do councelor pandies wouldn't

01:44:58.080 --> 01:45:00.776
that be the fair thing to do what are

01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:03.256
through me through you lord may the

01:45:03.280 --> 01:45:05.095
staff have started work on councelor

01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:08.119
vjek's motion what we can do is start

01:45:09.119 --> 01:45:11.576
work on councelor pandes as well because

01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:13.095
they are what work are you going to

01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:15.095
start on councelor pandes that isn't in

01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:17.416
council of aljax

01:45:17.440 --> 01:45:19.016
districts

01:45:19.040 --> 01:45:21.256
it's a different location

01:45:21.280 --> 01:45:23.175
and my understanding is councelor Pandai

01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:25.336
is LGA wide whereas the focus on council

01:45:25.360 --> 01:45:27.416
vjax was fleet street that'll do put a

01:45:27.440 --> 01:45:30.440
fork in I'm done council p in reply

01:45:31.119 --> 01:45:33.336
thank you lord may

01:45:33.360 --> 01:45:36.360
so lord may um can I begin by asking is

01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:40.119
there a word museum in the previous norm

01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:50.296
we talking about a museum here a

01:45:50.320 --> 01:45:51.736
heritage center we already had a

01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:54.376
heritage center we're also talking about

01:45:54.400 --> 01:45:57.016
establishing a temporary collection an

01:45:57.040 --> 01:45:58.776
exhibition council answer your question

01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:01.336
the word museum wasn't but the words

01:46:01.360 --> 01:46:04.360
standalone heritage facility which would

01:46:04.480 --> 01:46:06.215
be interpreted by many to be a museum

01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:07.416
that's what a heritage facility is could

01:46:07.440 --> 01:46:08.936
be could be interpreted but it's not

01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:11.896
clear they are not the same motion i've

01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:14.920
had enough they are not the same motion

01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:17.256
how about we just withdraw those

01:46:17.280 --> 01:46:18.776
situation

01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:20.536
i agree so they they are different

01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:22.056
motions Lord Mayor and I think you know

01:46:22.080 --> 01:46:24.135
my fear is and I accept that you know

01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:25.655
this can be done as part of the heritage

01:46:25.679 --> 01:46:28.679
of as part of the um  property

01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:31.976
strategy  but we just want to have a

01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:34.376
mandate where this is getting done we

01:46:34.400 --> 01:46:35.976
have been talking about this for a long

01:46:36.000 --> 01:46:38.536
time um and I appreciate councelor

01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:40.776
Wjac's motion from last year which I was

01:46:40.800 --> 01:46:43.336
not aware of in fact we have hundreds of

01:46:43.360 --> 01:46:45.896
motions that we look at so um honestly

01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:48.920
it's I wasn't um it wasn't in my mind um

01:46:49.119 --> 01:46:51.095
that motion otherwise I would have had a

01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:53.336
discussion with councelor Beljack on

01:46:53.360 --> 01:46:55.896
where that motion is um but it's been

01:46:55.920 --> 01:46:58.920
what 15 months more than a year um

01:47:00.320 --> 01:47:02.456
where this and I'm patiently waiting and

01:47:02.480 --> 01:47:05.175
waiting and waiting to be heard and

01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:06.856
that's where I think we should we should

01:47:06.880 --> 01:47:08.776
ask the organization to provide a quick

01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:10.615
report on these things you know we have

01:47:10.639 --> 01:47:12.056
seen the property dRaffoult property

01:47:12.080 --> 01:47:13.976
strategy there is no mention of museum

01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:16.695
and I want to have museum on the agenda

01:47:16.719 --> 01:47:18.296
of the property strategy we want to make

01:47:18.320 --> 01:47:20.936
sure that the museum is on the agenda is

01:47:20.960 --> 01:47:23.896
on our radar which currently is not and

01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:25.655
show me a document where it says that we

01:47:25.679 --> 01:47:27.976
are going to establish a museum and I

01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:29.496
will withdraw this show me a document

01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:31.576
which says that in the next 12 months we

01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:33.496
are going to have a temporary exhibition

01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:35.736
place and show me if that was part of

01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:37.416
the previous norm and I'll withdraw this

01:47:37.440 --> 01:47:39.175
i don't think that's the case Lord May

01:47:39.199 --> 01:47:41.655
so on that basis I think we should still

01:47:41.679 --> 01:47:43.416
proceed with this we should have the

01:47:43.440 --> 01:47:46.376
property strategy um  I agree with

01:47:46.400 --> 01:47:49.400
councelor um um Darly that we should

01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:51.256
consider this as part of the property

01:47:51.280 --> 01:47:52.936
strategy go through the committees that

01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:55.960
we have to have but we cannot be kicking

01:47:56.560 --> 01:47:59.416
this down the track again  as we have

01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:02.440
done for 114 years now kicked it well

01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:04.615
may I ask a question no counselors I'm

01:48:04.639 --> 01:48:05.896
going to put it to a vote we have

01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:08.296
already No we've have a motion off the

01:48:08.320 --> 01:48:10.536
floor we do right of reply is done right

01:48:10.560 --> 01:48:13.560
of rep you can't after reply no once the

01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:17.256
reply is done ask a question law man no

01:48:17.280 --> 01:48:19.496
you can't no you can't after right of

01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:21.416
reply can you just double check that no

01:48:21.440 --> 01:48:23.976
through me to the CEO question i'm not

01:48:24.000 --> 01:48:26.536
speaking in opposition i'm not speaking

01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:29.560
to the motion i've got a question lord M

01:48:35.440 --> 01:48:37.655
you can you Lord Mayor questions can be

01:48:37.679 --> 01:48:39.816
asked after right of reply if you're

01:48:39.840 --> 01:48:41.816
seeking to clarify the motion on what

01:48:41.840 --> 01:48:43.896
you're voting on i'm I'm seeking to

01:48:43.920 --> 01:48:46.135
clarify the motion because councelor

01:48:46.159 --> 01:48:48.695
Handy Lord May has said that there isn't

01:48:48.719 --> 01:48:50.615
a motion being built but Lord May

01:48:50.639 --> 01:48:52.135
through you to the relevant officer i'm

01:48:52.159 --> 01:48:55.159
reading now i'm I'm going to take out a

01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:57.095
sentence from a confidential item but

01:48:57.119 --> 01:48:59.496
not mention kind of names and so on and

01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:01.496
so forth but it says here I'm currently

01:49:01.520 --> 01:49:03.256
leading the development of a museum of

01:49:03.280 --> 01:49:05.896
history um a new museum proposal for

01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:08.215
Parramatta

01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:09.976
so it seems to me Lord May that there is

01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:13.000
a museum proposal so Lord so I'm either

01:49:14.719 --> 01:49:16.856
trusting council it's it's a question

01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:18.536
related to the It's a question Lord miss

01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:20.776
i'm either trusting councelor Candy

01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:23.800
Pandy to say there isn't a museum or I'm

01:49:24.080 --> 01:49:25.976
trusting the council offic's report that

01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:28.135
says there is so I'm I'm unclear which

01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:30.456
should I do lord may just help me

01:49:30.480 --> 01:49:33.480
understand so I can vote on the motion

01:49:33.679 --> 01:49:36.679
um

01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:40.199
to see

01:49:41.360 --> 01:49:44.360
um Lord May counselor is I believe is

01:49:44.400 --> 01:49:46.776
quoting information from a confidential

01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:49.736
part of the report so it wasn't verbatim

01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:51.736
you know close enough i'd prefer

01:49:51.760 --> 01:49:53.576
information that's  provided to

01:49:53.600 --> 01:49:56.600
counselors in confidential  close

01:49:56.880 --> 01:49:59.175
session is not debated okay well then I

01:49:59.199 --> 01:50:01.576
move to move this to confidential so I

01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:03.496
can get an answer

01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:05.496
if you want to play games I can you can

01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:07.416
ask the question afterwards but move the

01:50:07.440 --> 01:50:09.095
motion well how do I know how to vote if

01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:11.095
there's a museum coming well council we

01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:13.016
can vote against it so I'm going to put

01:50:13.040 --> 01:50:16.040
the motion now all those in favor i I So

01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:21.560
who's voting in in favor

01:50:24.080 --> 01:50:26.695
those against

01:50:26.719 --> 01:50:29.719
the eyes have it

01:50:30.880 --> 01:50:33.880
committee reports 25 sorry

01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:36.936
all right well

01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:38.615
deputy Lord may you assume the chair for

01:50:38.639 --> 01:50:41.639
the  fourth item

01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:57.760
[Music]

01:51:04.719 --> 01:51:07.016
okay i just want to move can somebody

01:51:07.040 --> 01:51:08.296
please move a procedural motion that we

01:51:08.320 --> 01:51:09.576
deal with this item out of order we

01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:10.936
didn't move it with the other three

01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:13.960
previously move councelor F seconded

01:51:14.080 --> 01:51:16.776
seconded councelor Darly okay all those

01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:19.800
in favor i okay we now dealing with item

01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:24.760
number

01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:28.776
councilors i now  we we will now move

01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:31.800
on to deferred from the OCM 12th of May

01:51:31.920 --> 01:51:34.920
2025 ocm 2510 which is councilled

01:51:37.119 --> 01:51:40.119
planning proposal reszoning of land

01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:44.119
u resing of land in Hill Road litam move

01:51:45.599 --> 01:51:48.599
councilors

01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:52.840
council I second it councelor Greenwood

01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:55.256
councilor is there any discussion on the

01:51:55.280 --> 01:51:57.416
subject i would like to discuss on this

01:51:57.440 --> 01:51:59.736
councelor Greenwood

01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:02.760
um councilors um I believe that the

01:52:03.280 --> 01:52:05.496
intention with this piece of land is

01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:07.256
that if it's not to be used for public

01:52:07.280 --> 01:52:08.936
open space it could be used for other

01:52:08.960 --> 01:52:11.416
uses such as residential and I have

01:52:11.440 --> 01:52:13.575
great reservations about it because it's

01:52:13.599 --> 01:52:16.599
exactly adjoining the M4 and the M4 is a

01:52:17.599 --> 01:52:20.296
source of air pollution so when modeling

01:52:20.320 --> 01:52:23.320
was done for the M4

01:52:23.679 --> 01:52:26.135
widening it included modeling of

01:52:26.159 --> 01:52:29.159
pollution up until the Sydney Olympic

01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:31.416
Park and it showed that the air

01:52:31.440 --> 01:52:33.736
pollution adjoining the road including

01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:36.296
this side of the land would be about 12

01:52:36.320 --> 01:52:39.320
micrograms per meter cubed of PM2.5

01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:42.520
annually and that's 4 micrograms per

01:52:42.560 --> 01:52:45.336
meter cubed over what the acceptable

01:52:45.360 --> 01:52:48.215
level is for people so I don't think

01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:50.456
having people live in this area would be

01:52:50.480 --> 01:52:53.016
very good so I support reszoning for

01:52:53.040 --> 01:52:55.496
public recreation private recreation

01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:57.336
apologies

01:52:57.360 --> 01:52:59.016
thank you councelor Greenwood is there

01:52:59.040 --> 01:53:01.336
any other speakers

01:53:01.360 --> 01:53:03.496
i take none councilor as this is a

01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:05.095
planning matter I'm going to need a show

01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:08.119
of hands so all those in favor hang on

01:53:10.639 --> 01:53:13.336
yeah all those in favor show of hands

01:53:13.360 --> 01:53:16.360
please councilors

01:53:17.199 --> 01:53:20.199
councelor Valjack councelor Raffoulul

01:53:20.239 --> 01:53:22.056
councelor Iser is your hand up yes

01:53:22.080 --> 01:53:25.080
councelor Jeffrey councelor Palari

01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:28.119
Councelor Chen and Councelor Darly

01:53:28.400 --> 01:53:31.400
now  councelor Greenwood councelor

01:53:31.920 --> 01:53:34.920
Ellard councelor French councelor NG and

01:53:36.400 --> 01:53:39.400
councelor prov and myself

01:53:39.679 --> 01:53:41.416
carried unanimously i'll now invite the

01:53:41.440 --> 01:53:44.440
Lord May to officiate

01:54:02.080 --> 01:54:04.856
lord May could we have a break please 5

01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:07.416
minutes

01:54:07.440 --> 01:54:09.976
council can we at 9:00 not now still

01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:13.000
early that's good we'll do halfway um

01:54:13.599 --> 01:54:15.976
item nine committee reports reports of

01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:17.655
the assets and infrastructure committee

01:54:17.679 --> 01:54:20.456
meeting held on the 19th of May can I

01:54:20.480 --> 01:54:22.135
note that the committee of the ch the

01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:23.736
committee chairperson councelor Vic was

01:54:23.760 --> 01:54:25.736
absent so I invite the deputy lord may

01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:27.016
councelor mlan as a member of this

01:54:27.040 --> 01:54:28.456
committee to move the report of the City

01:54:28.480 --> 01:54:29.736
infrastructure committee thank you Lord

01:54:29.760 --> 01:54:31.575
Mayor and in moving so in council's

01:54:31.599 --> 01:54:33.976
absence as you say Lord Mayor I move

01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:36.615
that the recommendations within item

01:54:36.639 --> 01:54:39.095
COM25-12

01:54:39.119 --> 01:54:40.615
the report of the assets and

01:54:40.639 --> 01:54:42.776
infrastructure committee meeting held on

01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:45.800
the 19th of May 2025 being for items

01:54:46.800 --> 01:54:49.416
AC25-13

01:54:49.440 --> 01:54:51.816
AC25-14

01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:54.135
and AC2-15

01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:57.016
and AIC

01:54:57.040 --> 01:55:00.040
con 25-10 10 as detailed below be

01:55:01.679 --> 01:55:04.679
adopted by council

01:55:09.599 --> 01:55:12.599
yes sorry council me you meant 25-30

01:55:12.719 --> 01:55:14.615
because it's 25-12

01:55:14.639 --> 01:55:17.175
there's not that 25-12

01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:20.199
lord Mayor yes 25  20 AC 25

01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:26.119
and then confidential 2510 yes sorry cuz

01:55:26.639 --> 01:55:28.135
I heard 12 just wanted to clarify that

01:55:28.159 --> 01:55:30.936
thank you Deputy Lord okay um councelor

01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:32.615
Darly

01:55:32.639 --> 01:55:34.936
sorry just a procedure am I able to pull

01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:36.936
out the just the confidential matter but

01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:38.456
I imagine we'd have to do it any

01:55:38.480 --> 01:55:39.976
confidential

01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:42.296
um and also just we can sorry which we

01:55:42.320 --> 01:55:44.615
can yep yep i move a procedural motion

01:55:44.639 --> 01:55:46.296
that we delay it till we go into

01:55:46.320 --> 01:55:49.175
confidential session later and also if

01:55:49.199 --> 01:55:51.416
um in the minutes I just noticed that

01:55:51.440 --> 01:55:53.416
one of the questions I asked was noted

01:55:53.440 --> 01:55:56.440
down incorrectly do I need to raise that

01:55:56.960 --> 01:55:59.960
now or do I raise that at the committee

01:56:00.320 --> 01:56:01.816
meeting are we confirming the minutes

01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:03.416
here i'm just trying to clarify through

01:56:03.440 --> 01:56:05.655
you

01:56:05.679 --> 01:56:08.679
i'm not sure through me to the CEO um

01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:10.456
shall I just raise it through you Lord

01:56:10.480 --> 01:56:12.215
May was it a question taken on notice at

01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:13.655
the committee meeting this relevant

01:56:13.679 --> 01:56:15.175
committee meeting yes and it's published

01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:16.695
elsewhere in the agenda it can be dealt

01:56:16.719 --> 01:56:19.336
with then yes okay so I'll deal with it

01:56:19.360 --> 01:56:22.135
then okay okay so we'll just put on the

01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:24.376
items AC25-13

01:56:24.400 --> 01:56:27.400
14 and 15 with defer of AIC con 2510

01:56:28.719 --> 01:56:30.536
okay so I'll put the procedural motion

01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:33.560
all those in favor I against no carried

01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:36.920
unanimously we'll now move on to let me

01:56:37.199 --> 01:56:39.736
close this

01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:41.336
25-13

01:56:41.360 --> 01:56:43.496
report of the customer community and

01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:46.135
cultural committee i invite councelor

01:56:46.159 --> 01:56:47.736
Patricia Prosive as the chairperson of

01:56:47.760 --> 01:56:49.736
the committee to move the report

01:56:49.760 --> 01:56:51.416
we've already done sorry council um

01:56:51.440 --> 01:56:54.440
25-10 25-11 we've only got eight and

01:56:54.880 --> 01:56:56.456
nine

01:56:56.480 --> 01:56:59.480
um whatever you reckon lord me lord I

01:56:59.920 --> 01:57:02.056
move that the recommendations within the

01:57:02.080 --> 01:57:05.080
item c 2513

01:57:05.360 --> 01:57:07.256
the report of the custom community and

01:57:07.280 --> 01:57:08.776
culture committee meeting held on the

01:57:08.800 --> 01:57:11.800
19th of May being for items um triple C

01:57:13.040 --> 01:57:16.040
258 triple C 259 as detailed below um

01:57:18.320 --> 01:57:21.320
with the except exclusions of the youth

01:57:21.440 --> 01:57:24.440
and inclusion and the cultural framework

01:57:25.040 --> 01:57:28.040
work yeah anyway that'll do i'll move

01:57:29.679 --> 01:57:32.679
that lord me council French second it

01:57:34.400 --> 01:57:37.016
um okay so councelor French you want to

01:57:37.040 --> 01:57:40.040
talk  or council council French might

01:57:41.040 --> 01:57:43.336
want to talk okay i just want to go I

01:57:43.360 --> 01:57:45.095
just wanted to pull out the community

01:57:45.119 --> 01:57:46.936
grants program for discussion in

01:57:46.960 --> 01:57:49.655
confidential thank you yep happy with

01:57:49.679 --> 01:57:52.679
that um do you accept that council

01:57:53.119 --> 01:57:56.119
Prociv of course lord fabulous um okay

01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:59.575
so vote procedure motion so we'll vote

01:57:59.599 --> 01:58:02.599
on the 259 now so all those in favor of

01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:06.456
25-9

01:58:06.480 --> 01:58:09.480
i one against no carried unanimously

01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:13.159
we'll now move on to com 2514 report of

01:58:13.360 --> 01:58:14.936
the planning transport environment

01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:17.736
committee held on the 26th of May

01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:20.615
thank you Lord May to confidential we

01:58:20.639 --> 01:58:22.695
need to know before I move that

01:58:22.719 --> 01:58:25.719
recommendations within items com 2514

01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:28.056
the report of the planning transport

01:58:28.080 --> 01:58:29.416
environment committee meeting held on

01:58:29.440 --> 01:58:32.440
the 26th of May 25 being for items PTE

01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:35.880
2517 PTE 2518 PTE 2519

01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:41.560
PTE 2520 and PTE 2521 as detailed below

01:58:44.560 --> 01:58:47.560
be adopted by council

01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:50.456
can I ask a question i'd like to pull

01:58:50.480 --> 01:58:53.480
out PTE 2519 discuss it separately

01:58:55.360 --> 01:58:57.655
okay

01:58:57.679 --> 01:59:00.679
um in regards to 25-20 the parameter

01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:03.800
bike lane miles and street cycleway

01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:06.615
can I just clarify cuz I think from what

01:59:06.639 --> 01:59:08.536
I read what was resolved is that we were

01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:10.056
adopting

01:59:10.080 --> 01:59:12.215
the previous plan and to exclude O'

01:59:12.239 --> 01:59:14.776
Connell Street with the exclusion of

01:59:14.800 --> 01:59:17.175
stage 1 A1B can I get clarity over what

01:59:17.199 --> 01:59:19.336
1 A1B is yeah do you want me to answer

01:59:19.360 --> 01:59:21.095
on the officer i'm happy either use the

01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:24.119
chair or the officer i'm I'm happy you

01:59:24.239 --> 01:59:26.856
can I'm happy for you it's a chair  so

01:59:26.880 --> 01:59:28.056
what we did up to you you want to do it

01:59:28.080 --> 01:59:30.056
or you conven so effectively what we've

01:59:30.080 --> 01:59:32.615
done with the the phasing of the bike

01:59:32.639 --> 01:59:35.639
lanes is we moved it from the M4 north

01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:38.536
to the river rather than from the river

01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:41.560
to Penn Hills Road so effectively allows

01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:44.760
us to link two bike lane paths together

01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:47.960
um in terms of the Okonnell versus

01:59:49.040 --> 01:59:51.016
Marsden Street that was discussed at the

01:59:51.040 --> 01:59:53.816
committee  we we stayed on the Marsden

01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:56.215
Street path because there's a from

01:59:56.239 --> 01:59:58.856
memory a grant maybe it's not a grant

01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:01.336
some funding allocation allocated to the

02:00:01.360 --> 02:00:03.016
Marsden Street Bridge rather than

02:00:03.040 --> 02:00:04.296
Connell Street Bridge and we have to

02:00:04.320 --> 02:00:05.575
keep it on Mars and Street for that

02:00:05.599 --> 02:00:07.416
purpose

02:00:07.440 --> 02:00:08.936
thank you i think council did I get that

02:00:08.960 --> 02:00:11.575
right um similar question thank you Lord

02:00:11.599 --> 02:00:13.496
May with your indulgence um given my

02:00:13.520 --> 02:00:15.816
absence and I do apologize I just have

02:00:15.840 --> 02:00:18.296
one question with regards to that change

02:00:18.320 --> 02:00:21.320
on Mden Street are there any car spaces

02:00:21.520 --> 02:00:24.520
that will be impacted by that change

02:00:25.199 --> 02:00:27.016
through you Lord Mayor to the relevant

02:00:27.040 --> 02:00:30.040
officer and if so how many through me to

02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:32.376
Mr corna

02:00:32.400 --> 02:00:35.175
through you Lord Mayor in terms of the

02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:38.199
portion of the um bike plan that will

02:00:38.480 --> 02:00:41.480
run between the Parramatta River through to

02:00:42.480 --> 02:00:44.456
 the railway line there will be no

02:00:44.480 --> 02:00:46.456
loss of car parking spaces there are no

02:00:46.480 --> 02:00:48.776
car parking spaces on that part of the

02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:51.736
street um for the areas further south

02:00:51.760 --> 02:00:53.575
that will be the subject of further

02:00:53.599 --> 02:00:56.599
detailed design investigation and any

02:00:56.880 --> 02:00:58.215
detailed design will come back to

02:00:58.239 --> 02:01:00.695
council for approval before it is

02:01:00.719 --> 02:01:03.496
endorsed and implemented

02:01:03.520 --> 02:01:05.816
and in relation to anything sorry in

02:01:05.840 --> 02:01:08.135
relation in anything north of the river

02:01:08.159 --> 02:01:09.416
um those were the matters that were

02:01:09.440 --> 02:01:11.655
deferred can we get sorry do I have a

02:01:11.679 --> 02:01:14.456
seconder for that motion no we don't

02:01:14.480 --> 02:01:17.336
apparently we don't need a no second by

02:01:17.360 --> 02:01:19.575
council voucher okay so we're ving on

02:01:19.599 --> 02:01:22.215
all the items excluding 25-9 as

02:01:22.239 --> 02:01:23.816
councelor Greenwood recommended so

02:01:23.840 --> 02:01:26.840
councilor all those in favor I anyone

02:01:27.119 --> 02:01:29.816
against so can I ask because it's a

02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:31.496
planning proposal do we need to vote

02:01:31.520 --> 02:01:34.520
with a show of hands

02:01:34.880 --> 02:01:37.016
i guess if it's unanimous then no is

02:01:37.040 --> 02:01:39.016
anyone voting against so all those in

02:01:39.040 --> 02:01:41.896
favor I anyone against no so if it's

02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:44.456
unanimous that's clear perfect we'll now

02:01:44.480 --> 02:01:47.480
move on to 20 so now we'll do 25-9

02:01:48.880 --> 02:01:51.496
councelor Greenwood thank you so I need

02:01:51.520 --> 02:01:54.135
someone to move and second move

02:01:54.159 --> 02:01:57.159
councelor Ellard i second council Raffoulfle

02:01:57.280 --> 02:01:58.936
go ahead i would like to speak against

02:01:58.960 --> 02:02:01.095
the motion i was going to move refusal

02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:04.119
but um I rise to speak against this

02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:07.655
motion because um although I note

02:02:07.679 --> 02:02:09.655
council's not the planning authority for

02:02:09.679 --> 02:02:12.376
this proposal council has dRaffoulted a

02:02:12.400 --> 02:02:15.095
sightspecific development control plan

02:02:15.119 --> 02:02:18.119
and is entering into a voluntary public

02:02:18.639 --> 02:02:20.856
agreement  related to affordable

02:02:20.880 --> 02:02:22.615
housing

02:02:22.639 --> 02:02:25.336
the site specific plan that's that is

02:02:25.360 --> 02:02:28.135
being dRaffoulted states that it sensitively

02:02:28.159 --> 02:02:30.615
addresses the heritage conservation area

02:02:30.639 --> 02:02:32.536
to the east by considering building

02:02:32.560 --> 02:02:35.416
design orientation setback landscaping

02:02:35.440 --> 02:02:38.135
heights etc but it's clearly not true

02:02:38.159 --> 02:02:40.135
because the largest building proposed

02:02:40.159 --> 02:02:42.856
for this site is adjacent to a

02:02:42.880 --> 02:02:44.776
singlestory cottage just across the road

02:02:44.800 --> 02:02:47.416
on a common street and in any case the

02:02:47.440 --> 02:02:50.440
heights of the buildings are excessive

02:02:50.560 --> 02:02:52.695
they'll dominate the skyline in an area

02:02:52.719 --> 02:02:54.536
where it's predominantly one to four

02:02:54.560 --> 02:02:57.560
stories already it's no longer part of

02:02:57.760 --> 02:03:00.456
the peanut as it was called the North

02:03:00.480 --> 02:03:02.695
Parramatta urban transformation area

02:03:02.719 --> 02:03:04.615
because the female factory is now being

02:03:04.639 --> 02:03:07.016
excluded from that area so the site sits

02:03:07.040 --> 02:03:09.816
alone it sits on top of a cliff so it's

02:03:09.840 --> 02:03:12.215
particularly visible from across the

02:03:12.239 --> 02:03:13.816
area

02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:15.816
the report states the built form will be

02:03:15.840 --> 02:03:17.496
consistent with the future character of

02:03:17.520 --> 02:03:20.376
the area and this is not true it's got

02:03:20.400 --> 02:03:22.376
heritage buildings both to the east and

02:03:22.400 --> 02:03:25.400
the west a federation house to the south

02:03:25.920 --> 02:03:28.296
and there's no proposal to resone the

02:03:28.320 --> 02:03:31.320
fourstory units to the north

02:03:31.360 --> 02:03:34.360
um in relation to the cliff there's so

02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:37.496
it sits on the cliff and a through sight

02:03:37.520 --> 02:03:39.336
link is proposed in the planning

02:03:39.360 --> 02:03:41.655
proposal so this through sight link

02:03:41.679 --> 02:03:44.679
leads to the top of a cliff which is not

02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:47.655
practical

02:03:47.679 --> 02:03:50.456
um I don't think that the report and the

02:03:50.480 --> 02:03:52.456
proposed council submission adequately

02:03:52.480 --> 02:03:54.615
address the enormous tRaffoulfic impacts on

02:03:54.639 --> 02:03:56.776
Okonnell Street which is now the main

02:03:56.800 --> 02:03:59.800
thorough affair in North Parramatta and

02:03:59.840 --> 02:04:01.575
significantly increasing the tRaffoulfic

02:04:01.599 --> 02:04:03.016
passing east to west through the lights

02:04:03.040 --> 02:04:04.376
on the corner of Albert Street and

02:04:04.400 --> 02:04:06.615
Okonnell Street is going to slow down

02:04:06.639 --> 02:04:09.095
the tRaffoulfic on Okonnell Street even more

02:04:09.119 --> 02:04:11.095
and it's already very very slow to get

02:04:11.119 --> 02:04:13.256
down there and it's the main bus route

02:04:13.280 --> 02:04:16.280
from Northme and the Hills into Parramatta

02:04:17.040 --> 02:04:19.655
so I know the Sydney Sydney Planning

02:04:19.679 --> 02:04:21.095
Committee Central Sydney Planning

02:04:21.119 --> 02:04:22.776
Committee has determined the proposal

02:04:22.800 --> 02:04:25.800
should proceed to a gateway um but I

02:04:27.679 --> 02:04:30.679
don't agree with the that finding and I

02:04:31.360 --> 02:04:34.056
don't agree with the enormous increase

02:04:34.080 --> 02:04:37.080
in um intensity of use of the site and

02:04:37.520 --> 02:04:38.936
the enormous number of people who are

02:04:38.960 --> 02:04:41.336
going to be residents on that site and I

02:04:41.360 --> 02:04:43.256
definitely don't agree with the impacts

02:04:43.280 --> 02:04:45.175
is going to have on heritage being

02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:47.016
insignificant i believe they'll be quite

02:04:47.040 --> 02:04:48.856
significant so I won't be supporting

02:04:48.880 --> 02:04:51.880
this motion

02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:53.896
card

02:04:53.920 --> 02:04:56.215
 thank you Log May um first of all I

02:04:56.239 --> 02:04:57.896
thank Councelor Greenwood for her

02:04:57.920 --> 02:05:00.920
comments as she did in the committee um

02:05:01.520 --> 02:05:04.056
I share all of her concerns this motion

02:05:04.080 --> 02:05:05.655
isn't approving this is sending it out

02:05:05.679 --> 02:05:08.135
for public exhibition what is absolutely

02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:09.976
essential for this project is that we

02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:12.456
get the public's opinion in a structured

02:05:12.480 --> 02:05:14.536
way coming into the council to help

02:05:14.560 --> 02:05:16.215
drive the decisions and help drive this

02:05:16.239 --> 02:05:18.615
through so councelor Greenwood I I hope

02:05:18.639 --> 02:05:19.976
you would do what I will be doing and

02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:21.175
I'm sure what other councils will be

02:05:21.199 --> 02:05:23.175
doing and it's encouraging the locals to

02:05:23.199 --> 02:05:25.256
actually participate in that process to

02:05:25.280 --> 02:05:26.856
put forward their opinions to raise

02:05:26.880 --> 02:05:28.215
their concerns wherever they those

02:05:28.239 --> 02:05:30.135
concerns might be it might be about the

02:05:30.159 --> 02:05:31.336
schools in the area might be about the

02:05:31.360 --> 02:05:32.776
tRaffoulfic it might be about the impact of

02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:34.856
the heritage at the end of the day this

02:05:34.880 --> 02:05:36.536
is the best way of getting those issues

02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:38.376
on the table so this council can make a

02:05:38.400 --> 02:05:41.400
structured appropriate decision and and

02:05:41.440 --> 02:05:43.896
u move those move that on forward and

02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:44.856
that's the only reason why I'm

02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:47.655
supporting this at this point thank you

02:05:47.679 --> 02:05:49.095
all right councils with no further

02:05:49.119 --> 02:05:51.016
speakers this is a vote with a show of

02:05:51.040 --> 02:05:54.040
hands so all those in favor raise your

02:05:54.159 --> 02:05:57.159
hand

02:05:59.040 --> 02:06:02.040
anyone against raise your hand

02:06:03.119 --> 02:06:06.119
okay it's 132 I think okay thanks

02:06:06.480 --> 02:06:09.480
councils we'll now move on

02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:11.575
so 2515

02:06:11.599 --> 02:06:13.095
report of the finance property and

02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:14.856
governance committee held on the 28th of

02:06:14.880 --> 02:06:17.016
May i invite councelor Simei Pande as

02:06:17.040 --> 02:06:18.215
the chairperson of this committee to

02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:20.296
move the report of the finance and

02:06:20.320 --> 02:06:23.320
property governance committee meeting

02:06:24.000 --> 02:06:27.000
thank you Lord May um

02:06:28.080 --> 02:06:30.456
I'm just looking at one of the emails

02:06:30.480 --> 02:06:33.480
which came this evening which is um an

02:06:33.760 --> 02:06:36.760
alternate wording for 25

02:06:37.360 --> 02:06:40.055
22

02:06:40.079 --> 02:06:42.776
Yes yes it's in there it says it in

02:06:42.800 --> 02:06:45.256
there council so um Lord may I move that

02:06:45.280 --> 02:06:47.575
the recommendations within the item com

02:06:47.599 --> 02:06:49.896
2515 the report of the finance property

02:06:49.920 --> 02:06:52.376
and governance committee meeting held on

02:06:52.400 --> 02:06:55.400
28th of May 2025 being for items FPG

02:06:56.719 --> 02:06:58.215
2517

02:06:58.239 --> 02:07:01.239
FPG 2518 FPG 2519

02:07:03.520 --> 02:07:06.520
FPG 2520 FPG 2521 FPG 2522 FPG 2524

02:07:11.119 --> 02:07:14.119
and FPG con 253 as detailed below be

02:07:15.040 --> 02:07:18.040
adopted by council that item FPG 2522 be

02:07:19.679 --> 02:07:22.376
debated and voted on separately this

02:07:22.400 --> 02:07:25.400
part is only required when oh first we

02:07:27.199 --> 02:07:29.256
don't have to read that but um that

02:07:29.280 --> 02:07:32.280
 FPG 2522 be debated and voted on as a

02:07:33.119 --> 02:07:35.655
separate matter thank you

02:07:35.679 --> 02:07:37.976
um who's seconding that motion seconded

02:07:38.000 --> 02:07:41.000
deputy Lord Mayor okay um council Darly

02:07:42.400 --> 02:07:45.400
so I just wanted to pull out a few items

02:07:46.159 --> 02:07:49.159
um the ERIC Audent Risk Committee

02:07:49.760 --> 02:07:52.760
minutes so 2517

02:07:54.800 --> 02:07:57.800
the quarterly budget review

02:07:59.119 --> 02:08:01.016
and also the confidential matter

02:08:01.040 --> 02:08:04.040
regarding the staff engagement survey

02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:09.000
okay we'll vote on the rest

02:08:10.560 --> 02:08:13.560
all those in favor can which item so

02:08:13.599 --> 02:08:16.599
she's removing um item 17 2517 y 19 and

02:08:19.599 --> 02:08:22.599
F sorry so 253 the confidential item

02:08:22.719 --> 02:08:25.655
council

02:08:25.679 --> 02:08:27.896
that's and and obviously 22 as you've

02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:29.655
rightly said so there'll be four items

02:08:29.679 --> 02:08:32.679
to be debated y okay um I'll put that

02:08:33.119 --> 02:08:36.119
all those in favor i against no

02:08:36.560 --> 02:08:38.695
unanimous so we'll now move to item

02:08:38.719 --> 02:08:41.719
25-17 the order the ERIC minutes

02:08:43.599 --> 02:08:44.936
someone's got you want to move it okay

02:08:44.960 --> 02:08:46.615
seconded

02:08:46.639 --> 02:08:49.496
who's that second councelor Riffle

02:08:49.520 --> 02:08:52.520
Councelor Darly um so I seek a

02:08:52.719 --> 02:08:54.296
clarification Lord May through you to

02:08:54.320 --> 02:08:56.936
the relevant officer um regarding how we

02:08:56.960 --> 02:08:58.695
ended up with two versions of the

02:08:58.719 --> 02:09:01.719
minutes for the November ERIC meeting

02:09:06.880 --> 02:09:09.880
through you Lord Man yes to who should I

02:09:10.159 --> 02:09:13.159
move this one to refer this to um

02:09:13.360 --> 02:09:16.135
council sorry council to the CEO or miss

02:09:16.159 --> 02:09:19.159
concardo CEO

02:09:19.760 --> 02:09:21.736
 lord may my understanding was that

02:09:21.760 --> 02:09:23.336
the original set of minutes that was

02:09:23.360 --> 02:09:25.416
presented to the aric committee  for

02:09:25.440 --> 02:09:28.440
confirmation contained items that in

02:09:28.880 --> 02:09:30.856
further review contained commercial and

02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:33.336
confidence information  that could not

02:09:33.360 --> 02:09:36.055
be published so there was a discussion

02:09:36.079 --> 02:09:39.079
held with the former chair and it was

02:09:39.119 --> 02:09:41.816
determined to remove those  items that

02:09:41.840 --> 02:09:43.256
were accidentally included in the

02:09:43.280 --> 02:09:45.575
version that was confirmed by the

02:09:45.599 --> 02:09:48.599
committee so   I I'll leave it at

02:09:48.719 --> 02:09:51.719
that in terms of the confidentiality

02:09:53.360 --> 02:09:55.496
okay they are substantially different i

02:09:55.520 --> 02:09:58.055
I do note that this matter regarding the

02:09:58.079 --> 02:10:00.135
format of the minutes will be coming to

02:10:00.159 --> 02:10:02.135
the next um finance committee so I look

02:10:02.159 --> 02:10:04.215
forward to discussing it then um as I've

02:10:04.239 --> 02:10:06.776
said before it's important that we have

02:10:06.800 --> 02:10:08.936
meaningful information this is an very

02:10:08.960 --> 02:10:11.575
vital advisory um panel and it's

02:10:11.599 --> 02:10:12.936
important that we understand the

02:10:12.960 --> 02:10:15.016
discussion that's occurred  and the

02:10:15.040 --> 02:10:16.856
outcomes of that discussion and the

02:10:16.880 --> 02:10:19.175
questions and concerns raised so I I

02:10:19.199 --> 02:10:21.816
look forward to us hopefully  or when

02:10:21.840 --> 02:10:24.135
we do revisit the format and ensuring

02:10:24.159 --> 02:10:25.736
that it's actually providing counselors

02:10:25.760 --> 02:10:27.095
whether that's information that is

02:10:27.119 --> 02:10:28.776
publicly available provided to us

02:10:28.800 --> 02:10:31.016
confidentially but is of more substance

02:10:31.040 --> 02:10:32.936
than the new format of the minutes thank

02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:35.960
you okay all those in favor i anyone

02:10:36.320 --> 02:10:39.320
against no we'll now move on to 25-9

02:10:39.760 --> 02:10:42.760
the quarterly budget review statement so

02:10:43.199 --> 02:10:45.095
um assuming councelor Panda you're happy

02:10:45.119 --> 02:10:46.055
to move it because you moved it

02:10:46.079 --> 02:10:47.655
originally

02:10:47.679 --> 02:10:50.679
anyone wants to second it councelor Isa

02:10:51.440 --> 02:10:53.655
okay

02:10:53.679 --> 02:10:55.806
councelor Darly

02:10:55.830 --> 02:10:58.055
[Laughter]

02:10:58.079 --> 02:11:01.079
eeny mini mo thank you Lord May i'm

02:11:01.840 --> 02:11:03.095
going to start by saying when we

02:11:03.119 --> 02:11:05.336
discussed the quarterly budget review in

02:11:05.360 --> 02:11:07.896
quarter 2 um I raised a number of

02:11:07.920 --> 02:11:10.920
concerns regarding ensuring that we

02:11:11.599 --> 02:11:14.055
actually provided a level of information

02:11:14.079 --> 02:11:16.215
that allowed us both as counselors and

02:11:16.239 --> 02:11:18.215
as members of the community to make an

02:11:18.239 --> 02:11:19.976
informed decision about the proposed

02:11:20.000 --> 02:11:22.376
changes i was concerned at the time that

02:11:22.400 --> 02:11:23.816
we weren't being provided with enough

02:11:23.840 --> 02:11:25.496
information i do want to acknowledge

02:11:25.520 --> 02:11:28.376
while my motion to defer um so that the

02:11:28.400 --> 02:11:30.536
report could be updated was lost I do

02:11:30.560 --> 02:11:33.175
appreciate the work of the staff  to

02:11:33.199 --> 02:11:35.256
improve and increase the level of

02:11:35.280 --> 02:11:37.175
information that we have in the report

02:11:37.199 --> 02:11:39.496
and I do want to commend them for that

02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:41.496
work and I and acknowledge that so thank

02:11:41.520 --> 02:11:44.520
you  it's so important

02:11:44.960 --> 02:11:46.776
the

02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:49.416
we spend so much time on the budget um

02:11:49.440 --> 02:11:51.016
it's a huge amount of money that we're

02:11:51.040 --> 02:11:54.040
deciding on  around $550 million and a

02:11:55.199 --> 02:11:56.615
concern that I've had is that when we do

02:11:56.639 --> 02:11:58.376
the quarterly budget review decisions

02:11:58.400 --> 02:12:00.936
are made that significantly change the

02:12:00.960 --> 02:12:02.615
work that we did previously when we put

02:12:02.639 --> 02:12:04.456
it on a public exhibition sought

02:12:04.480 --> 02:12:05.816
feedback and the months of work that

02:12:05.840 --> 02:12:08.376
have gone into that and it's important

02:12:08.400 --> 02:12:10.376
that we have enough information to make

02:12:10.400 --> 02:12:12.055
sure that when we're making these

02:12:12.079 --> 02:12:13.896
changes throughout the year that they

02:12:13.920 --> 02:12:16.215
are still reflective of the community's

02:12:16.239 --> 02:12:19.239
needs and um and as well as as the

02:12:19.280 --> 02:12:21.816
understanding for counselors now I do

02:12:21.840 --> 02:12:24.456
have a number of questions um Lord Mayor

02:12:24.480 --> 02:12:27.175
that I put through um following our

02:12:27.199 --> 02:12:29.655
committee meeting um unfortunately now

02:12:29.679 --> 02:12:31.175
that the document is longer I didn't

02:12:31.199 --> 02:12:32.776
have a time a chance to properly go

02:12:32.800 --> 02:12:35.416
through the capital items i'm just

02:12:35.440 --> 02:12:38.215
wondering procedurally rather than well

02:12:38.239 --> 02:12:40.055
my question is that there there are a

02:12:40.079 --> 02:12:41.416
number of them I have submitted them to

02:12:41.440 --> 02:12:44.135
staff so I'm wondering whether rather

02:12:44.159 --> 02:12:47.159
than raising them one by one um where

02:12:47.760 --> 02:12:50.695
they can be taken on notice well

02:12:50.719 --> 02:12:52.536
counselor you've emailed the staff I

02:12:52.560 --> 02:12:54.456
have every confidence that the staff

02:12:54.480 --> 02:12:56.776
would reply to you I believe have they

02:12:56.800 --> 02:12:58.135
indicated that to you so they weren't

02:12:58.159 --> 02:12:59.896
able to for tonight that's fine but I'm

02:12:59.920 --> 02:13:01.336
assuming that they will reply to you say

02:13:01.360 --> 02:13:03.575
yes yeah so what what I just want I'll

02:13:03.599 --> 02:13:05.816
just highlight sort the general concerns

02:13:05.840 --> 02:13:07.256
just so the rest of the councilors are

02:13:07.280 --> 02:13:10.280
aware um and the community so it's it

02:13:10.560 --> 02:13:12.296
particularly around the shifts of our

02:13:12.320 --> 02:13:15.016
capital works program  there's a

02:13:15.040 --> 02:13:17.416
number of items where the year-to-ate

02:13:17.440 --> 02:13:18.856
spend is actually more than the

02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:21.175
projected spend for the year um there's

02:13:21.199 --> 02:13:22.936
a there's a range of projects that have

02:13:22.960 --> 02:13:25.960
significantly increased in the cost and

02:13:26.400 --> 02:13:27.736
I just want to have further

02:13:27.760 --> 02:13:30.055
clarification on the reasons for that

02:13:30.079 --> 02:13:31.896
and the impact and particularly as we

02:13:31.920 --> 02:13:33.416
approach the end of the year i gather

02:13:33.440 --> 02:13:34.776
you know given that we're now already in

02:13:34.800 --> 02:13:36.456
June um a lot of this money has been

02:13:36.480 --> 02:13:37.976
spent this was for the quarterly budget

02:13:38.000 --> 02:13:40.615
review up until March um but it's

02:13:40.639 --> 02:13:42.135
important as we go into the budget for

02:13:42.159 --> 02:13:43.736
next year to make sure that we're clear

02:13:43.760 --> 02:13:46.760
on um what actually needs to be spent

02:13:46.880 --> 02:13:48.856
and what currently is spent and also

02:13:48.880 --> 02:13:51.880
particularly  that we have a budget

02:13:52.159 --> 02:13:53.736
projection for the end of the year that

02:13:53.760 --> 02:13:55.095
actually covers the current amount of

02:13:55.119 --> 02:13:57.496
money that's been spent

02:13:57.520 --> 02:14:00.520
i did also want to um acknowledge one of

02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:02.615
my concerns with the last quarterly

02:14:02.639 --> 02:14:04.376
budget review was we had significant

02:14:04.400 --> 02:14:07.400
increases in  employee costs  around

02:14:08.480 --> 02:14:11.480
$9 million um through the work of the

02:14:12.159 --> 02:14:14.615
CEO and and the senior executive team

02:14:14.639 --> 02:14:17.639
that's now been brought down um so I

02:14:18.400 --> 02:14:19.976
think now there's only increase of about

02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:21.976
a million or two but I think we reduced

02:14:22.000 --> 02:14:25.000
it by about or 78 million so I wanted to

02:14:25.360 --> 02:14:27.256
acknowledge that work i particularly

02:14:27.280 --> 02:14:29.736
appreciated in this report um the

02:14:29.760 --> 02:14:31.655
statement from our responsible

02:14:31.679 --> 02:14:33.416
authorizing officer I think is the

02:14:33.440 --> 02:14:35.496
official term um regarding the

02:14:35.520 --> 02:14:37.175
mitigation strategies it was one of the

02:14:37.199 --> 02:14:38.456
things that I raised for the last

02:14:38.480 --> 02:14:40.536
quarterly budget review particularly

02:14:40.560 --> 02:14:42.936
when we're looking to make such um

02:14:42.960 --> 02:14:45.960
significant increases to costs what

02:14:46.000 --> 02:14:48.055
steps are being taken to manage those

02:14:48.079 --> 02:14:50.615
particularly when it was putting us in a

02:14:50.639 --> 02:14:53.416
um a net underlying deficit so I

02:14:53.440 --> 02:14:55.256
appreciate the work of the CEO in taking

02:14:55.280 --> 02:14:57.496
that but also that we've now in this

02:14:57.520 --> 02:14:59.256
report articulated the other measures

02:14:59.280 --> 02:15:01.256
that'll be taken so again that there's

02:15:01.280 --> 02:15:03.095
transparency around that process so

02:15:03.119 --> 02:15:05.736
thank you Lord

02:15:05.760 --> 02:15:08.760
thank you councelor i'll put that motion

02:15:09.280 --> 02:15:12.135
all those in favor I anyone against no

02:15:12.159 --> 02:15:15.159
carried unanimously um councelor Panda

02:15:15.440 --> 02:15:17.416
you wanted not all you wanted sorry it's

02:15:17.440 --> 02:15:18.936
just that the committee recommendation

02:15:18.960 --> 02:15:20.776
was to pull out the public exhibition

02:15:20.800 --> 02:15:23.016
dRaffoult procurement policy would you like

02:15:23.040 --> 02:15:25.256
to move that

02:15:25.280 --> 02:15:28.280
yes lot med

02:15:28.400 --> 02:15:30.695
can I have a seconder

02:15:30.719 --> 02:15:33.719
seconded council Ellard okay

02:15:35.760 --> 02:15:38.536
 there's revised wording on the screen

02:15:38.560 --> 02:15:41.560
is what I'm told

02:15:47.440 --> 02:15:49.896
are we councilors happy councelor Daly

02:15:49.920 --> 02:15:51.496
you asked for Sorry not you're not you

02:15:51.520 --> 02:15:53.016
sorry you're not you remember member yes

02:15:53.040 --> 02:15:55.736
you are so the members of the committee

02:15:55.760 --> 02:15:57.336
are you guys happy with is that what you

02:15:57.360 --> 02:15:59.095
guys intended

02:15:59.119 --> 02:16:01.736
steven point of order lord I think we

02:16:01.760 --> 02:16:03.655
need to read it out so members of the

02:16:03.679 --> 02:16:06.679
public can hear what's actually proposed

02:16:06.800 --> 02:16:08.456
okay would you like me to do that for

02:16:08.480 --> 02:16:11.480
you um I think the mover should I'm

02:16:12.159 --> 02:16:13.175
happy if the mover would like to

02:16:13.199 --> 02:16:15.336
delegate to you

02:16:15.360 --> 02:16:18.360
yeah please

02:16:19.040 --> 02:16:21.896
too kind i just have to wait till it

02:16:21.920 --> 02:16:24.920
comes back on screen sorry

02:16:26.639 --> 02:16:29.095
 that council endorsed the dRaffoult

02:16:29.119 --> 02:16:31.816
procurement policy 2025 to be placed on

02:16:31.840 --> 02:16:34.056
public exhibition for a period of 28

02:16:34.080 --> 02:16:36.535
days subject to the endorsement of

02:16:36.559 --> 02:16:39.559
option 4 related to local supplier and

02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:42.840
Australianmade local supplier means a

02:16:42.880 --> 02:16:44.535
business that operates in the City of

02:16:44.559 --> 02:16:47.096
Parramatta local governmentment area

02:16:47.120 --> 02:16:49.415
australianm made means production has

02:16:49.439 --> 02:16:51.655
occurred within Australia by an

02:16:51.679 --> 02:16:54.615
Australian business that has 50% plus

02:16:54.639 --> 02:16:57.495
Australian ownership or is an Australian

02:16:57.519 --> 02:17:00.136
tax resident with the principal place of

02:17:00.160 --> 02:17:03.160
business being in Australia and B that a

02:17:03.679 --> 02:17:06.216
report be submitted to council following

02:17:06.240 --> 02:17:07.896
the close of the public exhibition

02:17:07.920 --> 02:17:09.976
period and with an assessment of

02:17:10.000 --> 02:17:13.000
community feedback

02:17:16.399 --> 02:17:19.399
 councelor who wants to speak first

02:17:19.760 --> 02:17:21.415
council pande you want to speak or you

02:17:21.439 --> 02:17:23.256
just because you moved it I moved it

02:17:23.280 --> 02:17:26.280
I'll speak a bit later then I'll

02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:29.719
yep council Prociv

02:17:31.519 --> 02:17:34.056
I'm no I'm

02:17:34.080 --> 02:17:36.295
far from happy

02:17:36.319 --> 02:17:39.096
Australian made um means that the

02:17:39.120 --> 02:17:40.776
production has occurred within Australia

02:17:40.800 --> 02:17:43.335
by an Australian business but that

02:17:43.359 --> 02:17:46.359
doesn't mean anything because You can

02:17:46.399 --> 02:17:48.695
produce something in Australia by an

02:17:48.719 --> 02:17:51.335
Australian business where the whole 100%

02:17:51.359 --> 02:17:52.856
of the components have come from

02:17:52.880 --> 02:17:54.936
overseas

02:17:54.960 --> 02:17:56.695
and it doesn't matter who owns the

02:17:56.719 --> 02:17:59.335
business whether they're an Australian

02:17:59.359 --> 02:18:02.359
or a a resident where you live

02:18:04.960 --> 02:18:07.960
that for me that's a nothing statement i

02:18:08.080 --> 02:18:11.016
I don't think I'm not criticizing staff

02:18:11.040 --> 02:18:13.736
i just think that the whole premise of

02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:16.760
Australia made in Australia is flawed to

02:18:17.200 --> 02:18:20.200
the point where it doesn't mean anything

02:18:20.559 --> 02:18:22.295
so

02:18:22.319 --> 02:18:25.256
but but I I think it is something that

02:18:25.280 --> 02:18:28.280
we need to look at i would like to

02:18:29.359 --> 02:18:32.359
suggest that we take Australian that we

02:18:33.120 --> 02:18:35.575
take that whole thing out about the 50%

02:18:35.599 --> 02:18:37.976
and the ownership and the Australian

02:18:38.000 --> 02:18:41.000
because I don't see how

02:18:41.599 --> 02:18:44.599
how you enforce that how do you then ask

02:18:45.439 --> 02:18:48.216
the owner of a business to prove that

02:18:48.240 --> 02:18:51.240
they're 150% owned by someone in

02:18:51.439 --> 02:18:54.439
Australia and that they pay tax

02:18:54.559 --> 02:18:56.936
i don't know how you enforce it can you

02:18:56.960 --> 02:18:59.960
enforce it well councelor  this was my

02:19:00.080 --> 02:19:02.136
understanding heavily debated in the

02:19:02.160 --> 02:19:04.695
committee and I wanted to strengthen

02:19:04.719 --> 02:19:07.096
what we would know as Australianowned

02:19:07.120 --> 02:19:10.120
and that is the definition that was

02:19:11.679 --> 02:19:14.679
provided or that or supplied by the

02:19:15.200 --> 02:19:18.200
staff now happy to strengthen it further

02:19:18.319 --> 02:19:21.256
if you wish but previously there was no

02:19:21.280 --> 02:19:23.816
definition at all so at least we've

02:19:23.840 --> 02:19:25.816
incorporated the intention is to

02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:27.016
incorporate something in there i think

02:19:27.040 --> 02:19:29.335
it's totally unsatisfactory

02:19:29.359 --> 02:19:31.096
across the board like if you're going to

02:19:31.120 --> 02:19:34.120
have made in Italy it's made in Italy by

02:19:34.559 --> 02:19:36.936
by people who live in Italy of products

02:19:36.960 --> 02:19:39.960
that are made in Italy you know like

02:19:40.000 --> 02:19:42.375
cows the cows come from Italy that the

02:19:42.399 --> 02:19:45.399
shoes are made of if you get my drift so

02:19:45.840 --> 02:19:48.840
you know like I um yeah I I just think

02:19:50.720 --> 02:19:53.335
there should be a much more satisfactory

02:19:53.359 --> 02:19:56.216
definition is this I don't know how you

02:19:56.240 --> 02:19:58.136
enforce that is this good enough to go

02:19:58.160 --> 02:19:59.896
on public exhibition and get community

02:19:59.920 --> 02:20:02.856
feedback and then it can be you sure

02:20:02.880 --> 02:20:05.256
they won't laugh at us

02:20:05.280 --> 02:20:06.455
well it's better than not having

02:20:06.479 --> 02:20:09.335
anything in there

02:20:09.359 --> 02:20:10.936
this is the reason why it was put in

02:20:10.960 --> 02:20:12.216
there because we previously didn't have

02:20:12.240 --> 02:20:14.856
anything in there and we are trying to

02:20:14.880 --> 02:20:16.136
put some boundaries to answer your

02:20:16.160 --> 02:20:18.216
question about how do you verify whether

02:20:18.240 --> 02:20:20.136
it's Australian owned you do an asset

02:20:20.160 --> 02:20:22.136
search and it'll tell you the the

02:20:22.160 --> 02:20:25.160
ownership but will it also tell you that

02:20:25.280 --> 02:20:28.280
the Australian business is 50% ownership

02:20:28.399 --> 02:20:30.216
yes it will and that they pay Australian

02:20:30.240 --> 02:20:33.240
tax so if it's will it so if it's

02:20:33.359 --> 02:20:35.096
Australianowned it will tell you who the

02:20:35.120 --> 02:20:37.016
who the owner is so you'll be able

02:20:37.040 --> 02:20:39.496
you'll be able to through an ASICH um

02:20:39.520 --> 02:20:41.335
company extract search you can work out

02:20:41.359 --> 02:20:42.856
who owns the company whether it's

02:20:42.880 --> 02:20:44.375
foreignowned or Australian owned

02:20:44.399 --> 02:20:47.399
majority yes and and and if it is an

02:20:47.920 --> 02:20:49.736
Australianbased business and it's got an

02:20:49.760 --> 02:20:52.760
ABN which I'm assuming would only

02:20:53.520 --> 02:20:55.176
then they would have to lodge a business

02:20:55.200 --> 02:20:57.576
activity statement and a GST and a

02:20:57.600 --> 02:20:59.176
return so to answer your question there

02:20:59.200 --> 02:21:01.335
will be some tax paid if they're in a

02:21:01.359 --> 02:21:04.359
profitable business yes so can we have

02:21:04.640 --> 02:21:07.640
as verified by ethics

02:21:08.319 --> 02:21:11.319
i don't understand it i'm all good with

02:21:11.439 --> 02:21:14.439
it lord may I just and council you know

02:21:14.640 --> 02:21:16.856
what some of the tenders you would you

02:21:16.880 --> 02:21:18.216
would hope that they would want to get

02:21:18.240 --> 02:21:20.375
our procurement that they would actually

02:21:20.399 --> 02:21:22.696
point to the fact that they satisfy this

02:21:22.720 --> 02:21:24.856
condition so this is an extra step or

02:21:24.880 --> 02:21:27.176
extra layer that we're putting on the

02:21:27.200 --> 02:21:29.816
procurement process to ensure that we

02:21:29.840 --> 02:21:32.216
are going as far as Australianm made

02:21:32.240 --> 02:21:34.776
because previously we had no definition

02:21:34.800 --> 02:21:36.455
and we're trying to strengthen that this

02:21:36.479 --> 02:21:39.415
is one really good sort of reason why we

02:21:39.439 --> 02:21:40.936
should be pushing for an Australian

02:21:40.960 --> 02:21:43.096
manufactur

02:21:43.120 --> 02:21:44.696
thank you hence why we need a metro

02:21:44.720 --> 02:21:46.776
station in Silverwater hopefully the

02:21:46.800 --> 02:21:48.375
state government is listening i would

02:21:48.399 --> 02:21:50.136
like to point out Lord Mayor that the

02:21:50.160 --> 02:21:53.096
bridge down in the Alfred Street Bridge

02:21:53.120 --> 02:21:56.120
was constructed in South Australia by

02:21:57.439 --> 02:22:00.439
materials that were sourced from from

02:22:02.080 --> 02:22:04.696
South they're made of Australianmade by

02:22:04.720 --> 02:22:07.496
Australian and produced by Australian

02:22:07.520 --> 02:22:10.375
but it was done it wasn't done by

02:22:10.399 --> 02:22:12.856
accident it was a really It was

02:22:12.880 --> 02:22:15.256
something that was done purposefully so

02:22:15.280 --> 02:22:18.280
that we could have a a bridge that was

02:22:18.640 --> 02:22:20.616
built like that that's what I that's

02:22:20.640 --> 02:22:22.616
what I mean about having something here

02:22:22.640 --> 02:22:25.176
that is purposeful rather than something

02:22:25.200 --> 02:22:27.656
that is accidental thank you council

02:22:27.680 --> 02:22:30.680
councelor Darly

02:22:31.200 --> 02:22:33.096
thank you Lord May there was quite a

02:22:33.120 --> 02:22:35.576
discussion about this matter at at our

02:22:35.600 --> 02:22:38.600
committee um I think for me where the

02:22:39.040 --> 02:22:40.776
confusion and I'm not sure like I

02:22:40.800 --> 02:22:43.800
appreciate these definitions um improve

02:22:43.840 --> 02:22:46.696
what was written in the policy i'm not

02:22:46.720 --> 02:22:48.295
sure if other people have the policy in

02:22:48.319 --> 02:22:50.696
front of them but I think for me um

02:22:50.720 --> 02:22:53.720
where the issue lies so we've got 3.6

02:22:54.080 --> 02:22:55.976
which is council will conduct its

02:22:56.000 --> 02:22:57.816
procurement practices in accordance with

02:22:57.840 --> 02:22:59.736
the following guiding principles and so

02:22:59.760 --> 02:23:01.576
there's a number of guiding principles

02:23:01.600 --> 02:23:02.856
one of them is around supporting

02:23:02.880 --> 02:23:05.016
Australianowned supplies which is great

02:23:05.040 --> 02:23:07.335
um another and part of that is around

02:23:07.359 --> 02:23:09.176
consideration given to local supplier

02:23:09.200 --> 02:23:12.200
options um the concern I have so I think

02:23:12.800 --> 02:23:14.776
that's great as a guiding principle and

02:23:14.800 --> 02:23:16.536
it goes I don't know if councelor Valjac

02:23:16.560 --> 02:23:18.536
remembers last term we were reminiscing

02:23:18.560 --> 02:23:21.560
about the um the lion's head at John

02:23:22.160 --> 02:23:24.056
Wern and the fact that we had to wait so

02:23:24.080 --> 02:23:25.816
long because it was purchased overseas

02:23:25.840 --> 02:23:28.536
and the complications with that so I

02:23:28.560 --> 02:23:30.455
think there definitely needs to be the

02:23:30.479 --> 02:23:32.136
the guiding principles which there are

02:23:32.160 --> 02:23:34.536
around preferencing Australian supplies

02:23:34.560 --> 02:23:36.936
where I have an issue I think is around

02:23:36.960 --> 02:23:39.256
 3.6.1

02:23:39.280 --> 02:23:40.856
where there's the waiting and I

02:23:40.880 --> 02:23:42.776
definitely support the 5% waiting when

02:23:42.800 --> 02:23:45.415
it goes to tender for local suppliers i

02:23:45.439 --> 02:23:47.256
just think it gets watered down when we

02:23:47.280 --> 02:23:50.280
do an andor Australianmade products and

02:23:50.560 --> 02:23:53.560
so I don't know councelor proip if you'd

02:23:53.840 --> 02:23:56.455
agree but if we took out the andor for

02:23:56.479 --> 02:23:59.479
that section um and we just left it as

02:24:00.160 --> 02:24:03.160
5% for local supplier as a bonus

02:24:04.479 --> 02:24:06.536
she's not looking at oh no sorry you

02:24:06.560 --> 02:24:09.496
actually need to look at the the policy

02:24:09.520 --> 02:24:12.216
don't know if

02:24:12.240 --> 02:24:14.696
um but yeah so I I've just I don't know

02:24:14.720 --> 02:24:16.936
how to

02:24:16.960 --> 02:24:19.960
so it's just

02:24:20.640 --> 02:24:22.455
because I think it's we already have the

02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:23.976
guiding principle so it's just taking

02:24:24.000 --> 02:24:27.000
out that last bit

02:24:27.600 --> 02:24:29.976
instead of this

02:24:30.000 --> 02:24:31.896
no no that's still fine it's just so

02:24:31.920 --> 02:24:34.920
leave that all in um

02:24:36.800 --> 02:24:38.375
so we've already got just to be clear

02:24:38.399 --> 02:24:39.415
because I appreciate not everyone's

02:24:39.439 --> 02:24:40.616
bringing it up but we already have the

02:24:40.640 --> 02:24:42.136
guiding principles around supporting

02:24:42.160 --> 02:24:44.616
Australian maid i think when it comes

02:24:44.640 --> 02:24:46.536
though to the the tender process and

02:24:46.560 --> 02:24:48.616
giving a bonus it should be for local

02:24:48.640 --> 02:24:50.936
suppliers i just think we water it down

02:24:50.960 --> 02:24:52.856
by saying Australian made because a lot

02:24:52.880 --> 02:24:54.056
of people would then fall in that

02:24:54.080 --> 02:24:57.080
category um we already have said that

02:24:57.520 --> 02:24:59.415
we're going to be focused on um

02:24:59.439 --> 02:25:01.656
procurement through Australian suppliers

02:25:01.680 --> 02:25:03.736
but I think that 5% bonus should be

02:25:03.760 --> 02:25:06.760
specifically for local suppliers

02:25:07.280 --> 02:25:10.280
you happy yeah I'll um I'll and again it

02:25:11.280 --> 02:25:12.856
is going on exhibition but I think based

02:25:12.880 --> 02:25:14.776
on the discussion we had I think that

02:25:14.800 --> 02:25:17.800
provides clarity it tightens it um and

02:25:18.800 --> 02:25:21.256
it makes sure that we're

02:25:21.280 --> 02:25:23.016
particularly supporting local supplies

02:25:23.040 --> 02:25:24.616
which is the intent of what we wanted to

02:25:24.640 --> 02:25:26.776
do thank you thank you councelor Pen and

02:25:26.800 --> 02:25:29.335
reply thank you i think you know I agree

02:25:29.359 --> 02:25:32.359
with both councelor um Rosi and

02:25:32.560 --> 02:25:35.560
councelor Dartley um

02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:37.576
if we were to go ahead with what's in

02:25:37.600 --> 02:25:39.816
front of us 3.6.1 and I want to thank

02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:42.216
staff on providing the definitions but

02:25:42.240 --> 02:25:45.096
if we were to go ahead with 3.6.1 as it

02:25:45.120 --> 02:25:48.120
is um the local businesses the local

02:25:48.800 --> 02:25:50.616
suppliers are competing with Australian

02:25:50.640 --> 02:25:53.640
made um which doesn't make sense we

02:25:54.399 --> 02:25:56.136
decided to have a various and I see

02:25:56.160 --> 02:25:58.455
where that paragraph E is coming from as

02:25:58.479 --> 02:26:00.375
well it's a you know it is it was

02:26:00.399 --> 02:26:01.656
something which was suggested in the

02:26:01.680 --> 02:26:04.680
previous term of council but um that we

02:26:04.880 --> 02:26:07.335
we in some shape or form we promote

02:26:07.359 --> 02:26:09.415
Australian made but I think giving them

02:26:09.439 --> 02:26:11.335
the weightage and putting them in the

02:26:11.359 --> 02:26:14.295
same category as local supplier  does

02:26:14.319 --> 02:26:17.319
dilute and  makes local suppliers

02:26:18.080 --> 02:26:20.856
compete with um

02:26:20.880 --> 02:26:23.880
with um anyone who is Australian made

02:26:24.080 --> 02:26:25.896
which could be anywhere in the country

02:26:25.920 --> 02:26:28.920
um so I'm I'm happy for that to counc

02:26:30.080 --> 02:26:33.080
amendment is to take that completely out

02:26:33.680 --> 02:26:36.680
paragraph e

02:26:37.200 --> 02:26:39.656
yes

02:26:39.680 --> 02:26:41.496
sorry you're right we need to also take

02:26:41.520 --> 02:26:44.520
sorry that paragraph so 3.6.1

02:26:47.840 --> 02:26:50.840
e

02:27:00.000 --> 02:27:02.136
And if I may  councelor pan I just

02:27:02.160 --> 02:27:05.160
want to clarify is the local supply

02:27:05.200 --> 02:27:08.200
definition now replacing AB A and B as

02:27:08.560 --> 02:27:11.256
well i think it's just a it's just a

02:27:11.280 --> 02:27:12.856
definition which can be anywhere in the

02:27:12.880 --> 02:27:15.415
document that what constitutes local

02:27:15.439 --> 02:27:18.439
supplier

02:27:19.760 --> 02:27:22.760
sorry councelor you're speaking in reply

02:27:22.800 --> 02:27:25.576
you can't bring in new items i was just

02:27:25.600 --> 02:27:27.335
um accepting the amendment as I'm happy

02:27:27.359 --> 02:27:30.136
to accept the amendment but just he's

02:27:30.160 --> 02:27:32.216
ready reply counselor not a question

02:27:32.240 --> 02:27:33.976
with regards to my interpretation of the

02:27:34.000 --> 02:27:35.576
motion okay then we wait till after

02:27:35.600 --> 02:27:38.600
thank you okay

02:27:47.120 --> 02:27:49.496
yeah I'm okay with that yeah thank you

02:27:49.520 --> 02:27:52.136
so council you got a question yes yes

02:27:52.160 --> 02:27:53.896
please um and it'll go towards my

02:27:53.920 --> 02:27:55.976
decision on this one um through you Lord

02:27:56.000 --> 02:27:57.976
May may I ask a question to our finance

02:27:58.000 --> 02:28:01.000
team will changing these clauses or

02:28:01.680 --> 02:28:04.680
adding this clause impact us in any way

02:28:05.280 --> 02:28:08.216
in terms of procuring items and securing

02:28:08.240 --> 02:28:10.375
the best possible

02:28:10.399 --> 02:28:13.016
cost or price for a particular service i

02:28:13.040 --> 02:28:16.040
just want to make sure that we're not um

02:28:17.040 --> 02:28:20.040
ex well I mean potentially not counselor

02:28:20.240 --> 02:28:22.696
yeah I'm happy to but

02:28:22.720 --> 02:28:25.016
you would have to  think that there

02:28:25.040 --> 02:28:26.776
will be some providers that would not be

02:28:26.800 --> 02:28:29.016
able to apply because they won't satisfy

02:28:29.040 --> 02:28:31.496
the definition so there absolutely could

02:28:31.520 --> 02:28:33.016
be but whether they're going to be any

02:28:33.040 --> 02:28:34.936
cheaper or inferior or better quality

02:28:34.960 --> 02:28:37.176
you won't really know but I mean then I

02:28:37.200 --> 02:28:39.176
suppose that's my only concern in in

02:28:39.200 --> 02:28:40.696
limiting

02:28:40.720 --> 02:28:42.776
you know when we cast and and absolutely

02:28:42.800 --> 02:28:45.576
um you know up until now we haven't

02:28:45.600 --> 02:28:48.295
really limited ourselves in this way as

02:28:48.319 --> 02:28:51.016
a council um and particularly you know I

02:28:51.040 --> 02:28:53.016
just read the other day that another

02:28:53.040 --> 02:28:55.256
smelter is going out of business here in

02:28:55.280 --> 02:28:57.656
Australia um and I've got some real

02:28:57.680 --> 02:28:59.896
concerns about costings and and and the

02:28:59.920 --> 02:29:02.920
price of our capital works blowing out

02:29:03.600 --> 02:29:06.600
um if we're not able to secure

02:29:07.040 --> 02:29:09.496
products that are cost-effective um and

02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:11.335
then if we look at the powerhouse for

02:29:11.359 --> 02:29:12.536
example that's a state government

02:29:12.560 --> 02:29:14.776
project but still they secured or

02:29:14.800 --> 02:29:16.696
they're still

02:29:16.720 --> 02:29:19.096
you know I just you know another smelter

02:29:19.120 --> 02:29:22.056
is is so to answer your question this

02:29:22.080 --> 02:29:24.616
would be based on the criteria and the

02:29:24.640 --> 02:29:27.640
the rating that the

02:29:28.080 --> 02:29:31.080
person applying for the job would get so

02:29:31.520 --> 02:29:33.576
that would be in the rating in scale so

02:29:33.600 --> 02:29:35.016
this would not limit them from being

02:29:35.040 --> 02:29:37.335
able to apply but it may impact the

02:29:37.359 --> 02:29:40.359
final decision based on that rating

02:29:40.560 --> 02:29:42.536
question

02:29:42.560 --> 02:29:45.560
i'm assuming that covers it through you

02:29:46.160 --> 02:29:49.160
Lord May yes that's correct

02:29:49.439 --> 02:29:52.439
so it will limit the applicants you know

02:29:52.960 --> 02:29:55.016
 it may impact the you know outcome of

02:29:55.040 --> 02:29:57.896
the tendering process and potentially

02:29:57.920 --> 02:30:00.375
cost us more potentially potentially but

02:30:00.399 --> 02:30:01.816
we'll have to test the market and see

02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:03.256
the reaction we could bring a report

02:30:03.280 --> 02:30:05.896
back in maybe six months time policy

02:30:05.920 --> 02:30:08.056
right i'd rather revert to the original

02:30:08.080 --> 02:30:11.080
um okay thank you

02:30:11.359 --> 02:30:13.016
but but we're not fundamentally changing

02:30:13.040 --> 02:30:15.656
the policy in that way this was Yeah it

02:30:15.680 --> 02:30:17.576
was the rating that 5% was already in

02:30:17.600 --> 02:30:20.600
there we're just refining the definition

02:30:21.760 --> 02:30:23.736
i get it but still if some people don't

02:30:23.760 --> 02:30:26.696
satisfy that that definition of the

02:30:26.720 --> 02:30:29.656
Australian made it it could be they

02:30:29.680 --> 02:30:31.096
could it could be disadvantage which

02:30:31.120 --> 02:30:33.176
means that they may get a lower rating

02:30:33.200 --> 02:30:35.576
and may not be the successful in the end

02:30:35.600 --> 02:30:38.295
it it it could it may it hasn't yet it

02:30:38.319 --> 02:30:40.056
may but at the end of the day there is

02:30:40.080 --> 02:30:42.455
already a definition in there about 5%

02:30:42.479 --> 02:30:43.736
local supply we already have that

02:30:43.760 --> 02:30:46.696
definition it's about strengthening who

02:30:46.720 --> 02:30:49.720
satisfies that definition okay this is

02:30:49.920 --> 02:30:51.976
just an exhibition it's also about

02:30:52.000 --> 02:30:55.000
providing jobs Lord May loads of jobs

02:30:55.280 --> 02:30:56.776
all right councelor i will put it to a

02:30:56.800 --> 02:30:58.455
vote because we've had in reply we've

02:30:58.479 --> 02:31:01.096
had final question

02:31:01.120 --> 02:31:04.120
all the those in favor I anyone against

02:31:05.760 --> 02:31:08.056
it's carried unanimously

02:31:08.080 --> 02:31:10.295
i'm going to call for an adjournment for

02:31:10.319 --> 02:31:13.319
5 minutes um all those in favor i thank

02:31:14.160 --> 02:31:17.160
you

02:31:18.000 --> 02:31:21.000
councilors we've got quorum

02:31:21.680 --> 02:31:23.415
eight so I'm going to start so we've got

02:31:23.439 --> 02:31:25.896
reports to council late report advisory

02:31:25.920 --> 02:31:27.415
panels appointment of community members

02:31:27.439 --> 02:31:29.816
for 24 to 28

02:31:29.840 --> 02:31:32.840
do we have a mover move councelor Ellard

02:31:34.640 --> 02:31:36.536
seconded

02:31:36.560 --> 02:31:39.256
councelor NG

02:31:39.280 --> 02:31:41.096
councelor Darly

02:31:41.120 --> 02:31:43.335
thank you i'm just wondering um I have a

02:31:43.359 --> 02:31:44.936
range of questions but given the

02:31:44.960 --> 02:31:47.960
attachments in is confidential names go

02:31:52.000 --> 02:31:55.000
can I move it into

02:31:55.439 --> 02:31:57.096
confidential like I can talk about it

02:31:57.120 --> 02:31:58.616
potentially without naming specific

02:31:58.640 --> 02:31:59.976
people but I just feel that would be

02:32:00.000 --> 02:32:03.000
safer to

02:32:04.000 --> 02:32:06.856
It's up to you council but

02:32:06.880 --> 02:32:09.816
up to you moving into confidential yeah

02:32:09.840 --> 02:32:11.736
okay

02:32:11.760 --> 02:32:14.536
what do you mean to the end

02:32:14.560 --> 02:32:16.696
yes move it to the end y we'll move it

02:32:16.720 --> 02:32:18.856
to confidential i second the procedural

02:32:18.880 --> 02:32:21.880
motion for movement to the end

02:32:22.640 --> 02:32:25.096
um so because we got an amendment we got

02:32:25.120 --> 02:32:28.120
to vote on the amendment

02:32:28.240 --> 02:32:31.096
procedural motion consideration

02:32:31.120 --> 02:32:34.120
session there is our 253 we move that to

02:32:34.160 --> 02:32:37.016
confidential yeah the staff engagement

02:32:37.040 --> 02:32:38.455
it is confidential yeah you mean a

02:32:38.479 --> 02:32:41.256
tender yes it's confidential yes so

02:32:41.280 --> 02:32:44.136
we've now got an amendment to the motion

02:32:44.160 --> 02:32:47.160
to move the advisory panel staff

02:32:47.760 --> 02:32:49.896
appointment of the committee members to

02:32:49.920 --> 02:32:51.976
confidential

02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:55.000
all those in favor I I against

02:32:56.880 --> 02:32:59.656
so it's gone through councelor all no

02:32:59.680 --> 02:33:01.816
and a procedural motion to move it to

02:33:01.840 --> 02:33:04.840
the end of the meeting okay do I have a

02:33:04.960 --> 02:33:07.960
seconder yep seconded councelor Ell

02:33:08.560 --> 02:33:10.295
sorry moved councelor G seconded

02:33:10.319 --> 02:33:12.616
councelor Darly to move that item to the

02:33:12.640 --> 02:33:14.616
end of the meeting which I thought is

02:33:14.640 --> 02:33:15.976
what it would be that's what I thought

02:33:16.000 --> 02:33:17.496
anyway because it would be in in order

02:33:17.520 --> 02:33:19.576
councelor so I don't think there's a

02:33:19.600 --> 02:33:22.056
need no so you have to withdraw it

02:33:22.080 --> 02:33:24.616
because it will be considered at the end

02:33:24.640 --> 02:33:27.335
yes okay withdrawn

02:33:27.359 --> 02:33:30.359
we'll now move to item 2517

02:33:31.120 --> 02:33:33.176
events and road closures in Harris Park

02:33:33.200 --> 02:33:35.016
council Prociv do you want to move that

02:33:35.040 --> 02:33:36.455
or second it or someone who wants Move

02:33:36.479 --> 02:33:39.479
it so councelor Isa and councelor Prociv

02:33:42.800 --> 02:33:44.216
up to you either you move it or you

02:33:44.240 --> 02:33:47.240
second it steven and you you guys decide

02:33:47.359 --> 02:33:49.656
counselors ward C so council Prociv

02:33:49.680 --> 02:33:52.680
second council so w counselors

02:34:06.720 --> 02:34:08.696
Okay um with no further speakers we'll

02:34:08.720 --> 02:34:10.616
put that to a vote all those in favor i

02:34:10.640 --> 02:34:13.576
anyone against no we've now got notices

02:34:13.600 --> 02:34:16.600
of motion we've got 25-21

02:34:17.439 --> 02:34:19.576
proposal for Epin Nights Market

02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:21.656
councelor Chen second second Council

02:34:21.680 --> 02:34:24.455
Pomari

02:34:24.479 --> 02:34:27.479
thank you Lord mayor

02:34:27.920 --> 02:34:29.816
I'd like to move a motion tonight to

02:34:29.840 --> 02:34:32.216
explore the  potential

02:34:32.240 --> 02:34:34.536
  to explore the introduction of a

02:34:34.560 --> 02:34:37.560
regular night market in IP is one of the

02:34:37.760 --> 02:34:40.696
fastest growing center in our IOGA it

02:34:40.720 --> 02:34:42.455
has outstanding public transportation

02:34:42.479 --> 02:34:45.479
links including major trains

02:34:46.080 --> 02:34:48.776
metro stations and multiple bus roads

02:34:48.800 --> 02:34:50.776
and over past years we have seen a

02:34:50.800 --> 02:34:53.016
significant increase in population

02:34:53.040 --> 02:34:56.040
density especially around station where

02:34:56.319 --> 02:34:58.136
many new apartment buildings have gone

02:34:58.160 --> 02:35:00.856
up however while while our population

02:35:00.880 --> 02:35:03.016
density has increased the range of local

02:35:03.040 --> 02:35:05.896
options for dining retail entertainment

02:35:05.920 --> 02:35:07.976
and evening activities still remain

02:35:08.000 --> 02:35:10.696
limited especially after business hours

02:35:10.720 --> 02:35:13.656
and on weekends as a result many

02:35:13.680 --> 02:35:16.136
residents often found themselves needing

02:35:16.160 --> 02:35:18.776
to travel to nearby centers such as

02:35:18.800 --> 02:35:21.800
Cheswood McCory Center or even Chesswood

02:35:22.399 --> 02:35:24.776
Eastwood and even Burwood to meet their

02:35:24.800 --> 02:35:27.800
social and lifestyle needs i believe

02:35:28.000 --> 02:35:30.216
this highlights a clear gap between

02:35:30.240 --> 02:35:32.536
Eping's strong potential with its

02:35:32.560 --> 02:35:34.136
population

02:35:34.160 --> 02:35:36.455
transport links and grid location and

02:35:36.479 --> 02:35:38.936
the current limited options for evening

02:35:38.960 --> 02:35:41.656
activities and local engagement so

02:35:41.680 --> 02:35:44.295
introducing a regular night market could

02:35:44.319 --> 02:35:46.936
be practical and effective step towards

02:35:46.960 --> 02:35:49.736
addressing this gap what it needs now is

02:35:49.760 --> 02:35:51.656
activation something that brings people

02:35:51.680 --> 02:35:54.455
out support local businesses and adds

02:35:54.479 --> 02:35:57.016
life to town center after hours

02:35:57.040 --> 02:36:00.040
a regular net market wouldn't only help

02:36:00.080 --> 02:36:02.375
close the gap it would also deliver

02:36:02.399 --> 02:36:05.335
range of community benefits it also

02:36:05.359 --> 02:36:07.656
offer small businesses a platform to

02:36:07.680 --> 02:36:10.680
grow provide more accessible dining and

02:36:10.800 --> 02:36:13.415
lifestyle choices for residents foster

02:36:13.439 --> 02:36:16.295
stronger community connections and bring

02:36:16.319 --> 02:36:19.319
new energy

02:36:19.760 --> 02:36:22.056
to this area during evenings and

02:36:22.080 --> 02:36:25.080
weekends so this importantly this

02:36:25.840 --> 02:36:28.056
initiative also align with our broader

02:36:28.080 --> 02:36:30.696
goals as a City to enhance nighttime

02:36:30.720 --> 02:36:33.256
economy foster

02:36:33.280 --> 02:36:35.096
local vibrancy and create more

02:36:35.120 --> 02:36:37.335
accessible inclusive spaces for

02:36:37.359 --> 02:36:40.216
residents to enjoy so what I'm proposing

02:36:40.240 --> 02:36:43.096
is for council staff to investigate the

02:36:43.120 --> 02:36:45.256
physibility of night market in IP

02:36:45.280 --> 02:36:47.576
looking into tRaffoulfic regulations

02:36:47.600 --> 02:36:50.600
availability and community demand engage

02:36:50.720 --> 02:36:52.936
with local residents businesses and

02:36:52.960 --> 02:36:55.960
stakeholders review our review other

02:36:56.319 --> 02:36:58.455
successful net markets and report back

02:36:58.479 --> 02:37:00.455
to the council in September this year

02:37:00.479 --> 02:37:02.455
with a clear and concrete

02:37:02.479 --> 02:37:03.976
recommendations

02:37:04.000 --> 02:37:06.616
including locations timing and funding

02:37:06.640 --> 02:37:09.335
options therefore I encourage my fellow

02:37:09.359 --> 02:37:11.256
counselor to support this motion and

02:37:11.280 --> 02:37:14.280
help us take a meaningful step towards a

02:37:15.680 --> 02:37:18.680
more vibrant app and also I sincerely

02:37:18.800 --> 02:37:21.176
appreciate all the all the work and

02:37:21.200 --> 02:37:23.256
all the work and efforts of our other

02:37:23.280 --> 02:37:26.280
our council staff thank you thank you

02:37:26.560 --> 02:37:28.936
council deputy lord Mayor thank you Lord

02:37:28.960 --> 02:37:31.256
Mayor and I rise in support of the

02:37:31.280 --> 02:37:34.280
motion put by councelor Chen  and in

02:37:34.560 --> 02:37:35.976
so doing you know thank you for bringing

02:37:36.000 --> 02:37:37.816
this because of course it's absolutely

02:37:37.840 --> 02:37:40.616
the case there is you know this there's

02:37:40.640 --> 02:37:42.216
so much opportunity in Eping i can

02:37:42.240 --> 02:37:43.656
remember last term and I believe it was

02:37:43.680 --> 02:37:46.056
grant funded at the time  when the

02:37:46.080 --> 02:37:47.816
Lenon building first opened that we had

02:37:47.840 --> 02:37:49.656
an Eping night noodle markets that we

02:37:49.680 --> 02:37:52.455
jointly put on as council I believe with

02:37:52.479 --> 02:37:54.616
Seabus at the time and it was an

02:37:54.640 --> 02:37:56.136
incredible success i remember the

02:37:56.160 --> 02:37:57.896
weather being exceptionally poorly but

02:37:57.920 --> 02:38:00.616
it didn't stop  residents in their

02:38:00.640 --> 02:38:02.776
droves coming out  and engaging with

02:38:02.800 --> 02:38:04.616
all the stall holders and getting very

02:38:04.640 --> 02:38:06.216
much involved and of course there is a

02:38:06.240 --> 02:38:08.216
history of this kind of thing in Eping i

02:38:08.240 --> 02:38:09.896
do recall in the former Hornsby days

02:38:09.920 --> 02:38:11.576
when there used to be the markets held

02:38:11.600 --> 02:38:13.896
in Oxford Street Eping  in the grounds

02:38:13.920 --> 02:38:16.375
of OHC  so there was an appetite then

02:38:16.399 --> 02:38:17.976
and there will be as councelor Chen

02:38:18.000 --> 02:38:19.976
points out even more of an appetite now

02:38:20.000 --> 02:38:21.576
 with the expansion of the suburb and

02:38:21.600 --> 02:38:23.896
the the extensiveness of the transport

02:38:23.920 --> 02:38:25.976
links there of course there'll be much

02:38:26.000 --> 02:38:27.576
consideration needed to go into this i

02:38:27.600 --> 02:38:30.600
know in talking to council Angela Jones

02:38:30.880 --> 02:38:32.216
Baney that we'll be looking at things

02:38:32.240 --> 02:38:34.056
you know like the Eastwood night markets

02:38:34.080 --> 02:38:35.256
and ensuring that we don't duplicate

02:38:35.280 --> 02:38:36.455
with those and ensuring we're not

02:38:36.479 --> 02:38:37.816
competing with existing ones but there

02:38:37.840 --> 02:38:40.616
is absolutely huge opportunity  in

02:38:40.640 --> 02:38:41.816
having to pursue something of this

02:38:41.840 --> 02:38:43.896
nature so I thank councelor Chen for

02:38:43.920 --> 02:38:45.335
bringing this motion and I look forward

02:38:45.359 --> 02:38:46.536
to seeing the report that comes on

02:38:46.560 --> 02:38:48.856
account of it and getting more vibrancy

02:38:48.880 --> 02:38:50.776
backing town center throughout the

02:38:50.800 --> 02:38:52.616
residents thank you

02:38:52.640 --> 02:38:55.335
thank you Councelor Henji thank you Lord

02:38:55.359 --> 02:38:56.776
May i'd like to commend councelor Chen

02:38:56.800 --> 02:38:58.375
on this motion and I believe it's a

02:38:58.399 --> 02:39:01.335
great idea um

02:39:01.359 --> 02:39:03.256
this not only supports our growth and

02:39:03.280 --> 02:39:05.176
food entertainment options in other

02:39:05.200 --> 02:39:06.936
parts of the City of Parramatta other than

02:39:06.960 --> 02:39:08.776
the CBD but also it is a great

02:39:08.800 --> 02:39:11.335
initiative to um to bring the nighttime

02:39:11.359 --> 02:39:14.136
economy to life um we know that there is

02:39:14.160 --> 02:39:15.816
a lot of growth in Eping there will be a

02:39:15.840 --> 02:39:18.056
lot of growth and you know we it is

02:39:18.080 --> 02:39:19.335
great to have these options so people

02:39:19.359 --> 02:39:21.816
can have um make it more attractive for

02:39:21.840 --> 02:39:23.096
people to come and live in the City of

02:39:23.120 --> 02:39:25.896
Parramatta  we're doing great in the CBD

02:39:25.920 --> 02:39:28.136
but there's a lot more work to do in the

02:39:28.160 --> 02:39:29.976
outer suburbs in the City of Parramatta and

02:39:30.000 --> 02:39:31.736
I think this motion will will do exactly

02:39:31.760 --> 02:39:34.216
just that so thank you

02:39:34.240 --> 02:39:37.240
thank you councelor Councelor Darly

02:39:37.840 --> 02:39:40.840
i was going to um reiterate that for me

02:39:41.439 --> 02:39:43.656
when we talked last term about reviewing

02:39:43.680 --> 02:39:46.455
and refreshing the event strategy so

02:39:46.479 --> 02:39:48.216
much of it went to activating our

02:39:48.240 --> 02:39:49.976
neighborhoods and I and I talk spoke

02:39:50.000 --> 02:39:51.816
about that earlier tonight so for me

02:39:51.840 --> 02:39:53.976
this goes to the heart of that  there

02:39:54.000 --> 02:39:56.295
were other markets there was the

02:39:56.319 --> 02:39:58.856
markets by the river  that were very

02:39:58.880 --> 02:40:00.375
successful and I know over the years

02:40:00.399 --> 02:40:02.856
we've talked about bringing those back

02:40:02.880 --> 02:40:05.496
 so Lord Mayor a question through you

02:40:05.520 --> 02:40:07.016
to the relevant officer i'm just

02:40:07.040 --> 02:40:09.016
wondering when we will be expecting the

02:40:09.040 --> 02:40:12.040
updated um event strategy and I do um

02:40:13.200 --> 02:40:14.936
acknowledge I believe that the survey

02:40:14.960 --> 02:40:17.960
around the markets is currently um

02:40:18.080 --> 02:40:19.816
available for for comment but I'm not

02:40:19.840 --> 02:40:21.335
sure when that ends i'm just wondering

02:40:21.359 --> 02:40:23.256
about the timing of of both the event

02:40:23.280 --> 02:40:26.280
strategy and the the market survey um

02:40:27.200 --> 02:40:30.200
through you Lord May um the  survey

02:40:31.200 --> 02:40:33.016
which is out at the moment closes on the

02:40:33.040 --> 02:40:35.736
18th of June and that will be presented

02:40:35.760 --> 02:40:37.335
the res the results of that will be

02:40:37.359 --> 02:40:39.256
presented to the um community and

02:40:39.280 --> 02:40:41.736
culture committee meeting in July  as

02:40:41.760 --> 02:40:43.656
will the events and festival strategy to

02:40:43.680 --> 02:40:46.680
that same committee meeting um so as

02:40:47.280 --> 02:40:49.256
councelor Chen and councelor Mlan and

02:40:49.280 --> 02:40:52.136
council NG have said the activation in

02:40:52.160 --> 02:40:53.896
in our neighborhoods is so important and

02:40:53.920 --> 02:40:56.295
I think markets is is a great one um I

02:40:56.319 --> 02:40:58.295
remember how much  the Irmington

02:40:58.319 --> 02:41:00.295
markets changed that area down by the

02:41:00.319 --> 02:41:01.976
river um so much so I think they were a

02:41:02.000 --> 02:41:03.335
victim of their own success and they

02:41:03.359 --> 02:41:06.216
went monthly then fortnightly um and we

02:41:06.240 --> 02:41:08.375
had to close them due to the um

02:41:08.399 --> 02:41:10.696
floodprone nature of of the area that

02:41:10.720 --> 02:41:13.335
they were held on but even those

02:41:13.359 --> 02:41:15.096
residents regularly ask about those

02:41:15.120 --> 02:41:17.415
coming back um the Eping ones as Council

02:41:17.439 --> 02:41:19.016
Mlan said I know when they were done as

02:41:19.040 --> 02:41:21.016
a one-off um extremely successful i

02:41:21.040 --> 02:41:23.656
think it was a very windy night

02:41:23.680 --> 02:41:26.680
i remember seeing photos um so again I

02:41:26.800 --> 02:41:28.536
think these are the sort of things that

02:41:28.560 --> 02:41:30.455
we need to be doing to activate our

02:41:30.479 --> 02:41:31.896
neighborhoods to bring the community

02:41:31.920 --> 02:41:33.976
together and to support the local

02:41:34.000 --> 02:41:36.056
businesses and it's just such a lovely

02:41:36.080 --> 02:41:37.656
way i mean for me the family movie

02:41:37.680 --> 02:41:39.496
nights is similar sort of thing where

02:41:39.520 --> 02:41:40.936
you you know you just see people

02:41:40.960 --> 02:41:42.696
connecting families that go to the same

02:41:42.720 --> 02:41:45.176
school together  hanging out it's just

02:41:45.200 --> 02:41:48.200
a lovely way to activate um our local

02:41:48.240 --> 02:41:50.375
neighborhoods and so I commend you on on

02:41:50.399 --> 02:41:52.136
bringing this and I look forward to also

02:41:52.160 --> 02:41:54.455
seeing um other areas and other options

02:41:54.479 --> 02:41:56.536
for us to have markets and other you

02:41:56.560 --> 02:41:58.295
know community events that activate our

02:41:58.319 --> 02:42:01.319
neighborhoods thank you

02:42:03.840 --> 02:42:05.576
councilar

02:42:05.600 --> 02:42:07.576
thank you Lord um I would like to

02:42:07.600 --> 02:42:10.056
commend um councelor Chang for bringing

02:42:10.080 --> 02:42:12.696
this it was the need of the hour and um

02:42:12.720 --> 02:42:15.176
I'm sure um I'm surprised to see that

02:42:15.200 --> 02:42:16.696
till now it has not come to the floor

02:42:16.720 --> 02:42:18.295
and this is the first time it has come

02:42:18.319 --> 02:42:20.776
somebody as a first-time counselor is

02:42:20.800 --> 02:42:22.536
able to come out with such a innovative

02:42:22.560 --> 02:42:25.256
 thinking and um it's much much needed

02:42:25.280 --> 02:42:28.280
in Eping especially because Eping small

02:42:28.560 --> 02:42:30.295
business are suffering and at this point

02:42:30.319 --> 02:42:32.056
of time something like this is going to

02:42:32.080 --> 02:42:34.295
support small businesses around that

02:42:34.319 --> 02:42:37.016
place and it's going to help all the

02:42:37.040 --> 02:42:39.335
local businesses to achieve better and

02:42:39.359 --> 02:42:40.936
thanks for doing that and um I'm so

02:42:40.960 --> 02:42:42.776
happy that I was able to second this and

02:42:42.800 --> 02:42:45.736
 even we have got  deputy lord Mayor

02:42:45.760 --> 02:42:48.760
um  councelor Mlay yeah yeah and he

02:42:50.720 --> 02:42:52.936
was able to do commend this particular

02:42:52.960 --> 02:42:55.176
thing and it's it's a team effort and

02:42:55.200 --> 02:42:57.415
your speech was outstanding and um I'm

02:42:57.439 --> 02:43:00.375
happy for that thank you

02:43:00.399 --> 02:43:03.335
Council Pandy thank you thank you Lord

02:43:03.359 --> 02:43:05.176
May just a couple of questions is this a

02:43:05.200 --> 02:43:06.776
one-off

02:43:06.800 --> 02:43:09.256
proposal Council Chan or is it something

02:43:09.280 --> 02:43:11.335
which we you expect to see ongoing

02:43:11.359 --> 02:43:13.736
ongoing isn't it it's to get a report

02:43:13.760 --> 02:43:16.295
and definitely consider all of that but

02:43:16.319 --> 02:43:17.496
we would hope it would be more than just

02:43:17.520 --> 02:43:20.520
a one-off yes sure um I think just a

02:43:20.880 --> 02:43:23.880
suggestion as well um Con Chen that um

02:43:23.920 --> 02:43:25.176
we should be talking to the night

02:43:25.200 --> 02:43:28.136
nighttime economy commissioner on this

02:43:28.160 --> 02:43:29.816
they have got the money and they should

02:43:29.840 --> 02:43:32.056
be able to put some money on tomorrow

02:43:32.080 --> 02:43:35.080
night with him um that and see um so I

02:43:36.080 --> 02:43:38.216
think if you want to have and we don't

02:43:38.240 --> 02:43:39.896
need to have an amendment but the staff

02:43:39.920 --> 02:43:42.216
I think if we can um have a dialogue

02:43:42.240 --> 02:43:45.240
with the nighttime economy

02:43:45.359 --> 02:43:47.255
commissioner as well um and when you

02:43:47.279 --> 02:43:49.896
meet Lord May yourself as well um is

02:43:49.920 --> 02:43:52.920
there do we have a night market anywhere

02:43:53.040 --> 02:43:56.040
else at the moment to the relevant staff

02:43:56.240 --> 02:43:59.240
Lord May um

02:43:59.840 --> 02:44:02.840
do you have do you have an answer to

02:44:03.680 --> 02:44:06.216
Mr lady um through you Lord Mayor I

02:44:06.240 --> 02:44:07.576
believe that there's one at Wentworth

02:44:07.600 --> 02:44:09.496
Point but it's not run by council it's

02:44:09.520 --> 02:44:12.520
on private land

02:44:17.920 --> 02:44:20.136
so that would that would take care of

02:44:20.160 --> 02:44:23.160
Eping Ward and Rosehill ward

02:44:24.720 --> 02:44:27.720
what about Dandas

02:44:29.040 --> 02:44:31.816
see

02:44:31.840 --> 02:44:34.696
Um I think um councelor Chen can I also

02:44:34.720 --> 02:44:37.176
suggest that if um as part of the report

02:44:37.200 --> 02:44:39.656
if the staff can consider possible

02:44:39.680 --> 02:44:42.680
locations in other City centers as well

02:44:45.279 --> 02:44:47.335
I don't want to take away exactly that's

02:44:47.359 --> 02:44:48.936
why I'm saying if you don't want to then

02:44:48.960 --> 02:44:51.960
we can always um I believe if I go

02:44:52.399 --> 02:44:54.216
through to the relevant officer that's

02:44:54.240 --> 02:44:56.696
part of the events report that's coming

02:44:56.720 --> 02:44:58.936
up next month it's going to include it

02:44:58.960 --> 02:45:00.856
can I confirm that yeah if if that's the

02:45:00.880 --> 02:45:02.216
case then ab that should be fine because

02:45:02.240 --> 02:45:05.240
it's a it's a good idea great idea thank

02:45:05.359 --> 02:45:07.736
J plane

02:45:07.760 --> 02:45:10.136
through you Lord May we'll be

02:45:10.160 --> 02:45:11.656
incorporating all of the feedback that

02:45:11.680 --> 02:45:13.415
we get from the current survey that's

02:45:13.439 --> 02:45:15.496
out as well um so we're asking about

02:45:15.520 --> 02:45:17.816
markets in general okay I'll leave it

02:45:17.840 --> 02:45:20.056
there thank you good idea all right

02:45:20.080 --> 02:45:22.455
we'll put it to all those in favor

02:45:22.479 --> 02:45:25.255
anyone against no unanimously we've got

02:45:25.279 --> 02:45:27.736
um councelor do a motion impact of

02:45:27.760 --> 02:45:29.816
campaign signage during the 25 federal

02:45:29.840 --> 02:45:32.840
election second councelor NG thank you

02:45:33.120 --> 02:45:34.856
Gordon i'll keep this quite brief i

02:45:34.880 --> 02:45:36.455
think anyone going through the parame

02:45:36.479 --> 02:45:39.479
LGA knows that  the signage right

02:45:39.600 --> 02:45:42.536
throughout the electorate was pretty

02:45:42.560 --> 02:45:44.936
poor i'm not not going to make this  I

02:45:44.960 --> 02:45:46.455
don't want to make this a partisan issue

02:45:46.479 --> 02:45:49.415
because I know in the past the campaigns

02:45:49.439 --> 02:45:51.816
I've worked on and things I've done have

02:45:51.840 --> 02:45:53.176
not been above board but we actually

02:45:53.200 --> 02:45:55.496
need to live to a different standard i

02:45:55.520 --> 02:45:57.415
have and let me assure anyone that's

02:45:57.439 --> 02:45:59.335
listening that that is be also beyond

02:45:59.359 --> 02:46:01.176
the statute of limitations with that

02:46:01.200 --> 02:46:03.896
confession there um

02:46:03.920 --> 02:46:05.656
 the impact it has on council impact

02:46:05.680 --> 02:46:07.576
it has on resources ranges going down to

02:46:07.600 --> 02:46:09.415
pull out posters that should not be

02:46:09.439 --> 02:46:11.976
there  all of those things work

02:46:12.000 --> 02:46:13.576
together to actually deprive council of

02:46:13.600 --> 02:46:15.896
resources we need better we need while

02:46:15.920 --> 02:46:17.576
we can't necessarily re rely on

02:46:17.600 --> 02:46:20.600
candidates to behave themselves um we

02:46:20.960 --> 02:46:22.455
need to ensure that we have enough

02:46:22.479 --> 02:46:24.776
muscle and power behind us so when we

02:46:24.800 --> 02:46:26.455
send our rangers out to pull down

02:46:26.479 --> 02:46:29.479
posters attached to trees in parks or

02:46:30.800 --> 02:46:33.800
attached to um attached to verges along

02:46:34.240 --> 02:46:37.240
streets or on street corners or wherever

02:46:37.359 --> 02:46:40.295
they may be  that there's a little bit

02:46:40.319 --> 02:46:43.319
little more muscle there um one of the

02:46:43.359 --> 02:46:46.295
stories that really really angered me

02:46:46.319 --> 02:46:48.056
and I have to I actually did pull down

02:46:48.080 --> 02:46:49.816
this poster so I've got I'm going to

02:46:49.840 --> 02:46:52.295
confess that bit there was a poster on

02:46:52.319 --> 02:46:55.319
kissing point road it was the paradise

02:46:55.359 --> 02:46:57.656
poster if you saw that one talking about

02:46:57.680 --> 02:46:59.176
you know this is our paradise and this

02:46:59.200 --> 02:47:01.016
is Andrew's paradise with some

02:47:01.040 --> 02:47:03.896
commercial shot photo in the background

02:47:03.920 --> 02:47:06.536
lovely poster lovely guy from Melbourne

02:47:06.560 --> 02:47:08.776
authorizing that poster too love to see

02:47:08.800 --> 02:47:11.255
Melbourne people protecting a paradise

02:47:11.279 --> 02:47:14.136
it was actually covering the push button

02:47:14.160 --> 02:47:17.016
from  the the pedestrian crossing at

02:47:17.040 --> 02:47:19.736
the lights people could not push the

02:47:19.760 --> 02:47:21.415
button to say I'm here and when I cross

02:47:21.439 --> 02:47:23.176
the lights because of that person these

02:47:23.200 --> 02:47:24.375
are the sorts of things that have to

02:47:24.399 --> 02:47:27.399
stop so  as I said I'm trying not to

02:47:27.520 --> 02:47:29.736
make partisan because it's good for the

02:47:29.760 --> 02:47:31.096
goose is good for the ganda we've done

02:47:31.120 --> 02:47:32.936
in the past and I just want to ensure

02:47:32.960 --> 02:47:34.216
that we get better outcomes moving

02:47:34.240 --> 02:47:36.295
forward thank you

02:47:36.319 --> 02:47:39.319
thank you councelor councel Prociv

02:47:39.520 --> 02:47:42.136
lord may my big concern with this is the

02:47:42.160 --> 02:47:45.160
amount of rubbish that it it actually

02:47:45.439 --> 02:47:48.439
generates and also um these these things

02:47:49.200 --> 02:47:52.056
end up in our landfill cost us a fortune

02:47:52.080 --> 02:47:55.080
they are recyclable I believe um and

02:47:57.439 --> 02:47:59.576
yeah I did take exception to the number

02:47:59.600 --> 02:48:02.216
of pe things that we did have this time

02:48:02.240 --> 02:48:05.240
round with from from um Victoria and I

02:48:07.279 --> 02:48:08.455
believe they're changing their

02:48:08.479 --> 02:48:10.375
legislation down there so maybe they

02:48:10.399 --> 02:48:11.896
can't do what they normally do and

02:48:11.920 --> 02:48:14.920
they're up here plastering our walls but

02:48:15.439 --> 02:48:18.375
um I I wonder if it's time to revisit

02:48:18.399 --> 02:48:21.399
our policy and tighten our policy up so

02:48:22.080 --> 02:48:24.536
that we do have monetary

02:48:24.560 --> 02:48:26.295
um

02:48:26.319 --> 02:48:28.375
repercussions for people who want to

02:48:28.399 --> 02:48:31.399
plaster our City with with core flutes

02:48:32.399 --> 02:48:35.255
because they do have um names and

02:48:35.279 --> 02:48:36.936
addresses on the bottom of people who

02:48:36.960 --> 02:48:39.816
are authorizing them and we need to make

02:48:39.840 --> 02:48:42.840
these people accountable for the fact

02:48:43.359 --> 02:48:45.576
that our rangers have to spend their

02:48:45.600 --> 02:48:48.056
time going around removing all these

02:48:48.080 --> 02:48:51.080
things from trees and power poles and

02:48:51.680 --> 02:48:54.680
fences and also it damages like when

02:48:55.520 --> 02:48:58.520
you've got a couple of um posters that

02:48:58.720 --> 02:49:01.255
have been screwed into a tree with a

02:49:01.279 --> 02:49:04.279
with um power with a power thing it goes

02:49:04.560 --> 02:49:07.255
all the way in and these trees get

02:49:07.279 --> 02:49:09.816
damaged things get damaged so it's not

02:49:09.840 --> 02:49:12.375
just a you know isn't that funny you

02:49:12.399 --> 02:49:15.399
know we're all in this together we need

02:49:15.760 --> 02:49:18.295
to actually sit down and look at our

02:49:18.319 --> 02:49:20.696
policy and we're not the only council

02:49:20.720 --> 02:49:22.536
there are councils all across New South

02:49:22.560 --> 02:49:25.560
Wales who are concerned about this and I

02:49:26.880 --> 02:49:29.016
think we really do need together to get

02:49:29.040 --> 02:49:30.936
together particularly after this last

02:49:30.960 --> 02:49:33.960
election which was ridiculous and

02:49:34.880 --> 02:49:37.880
protect our councils and our council

02:49:38.560 --> 02:49:41.560
property and also our council's

02:49:41.760 --> 02:49:44.696
reputation when you have a council area

02:49:44.720 --> 02:49:47.720
that looks like it's just wallpapered

02:49:48.319 --> 02:49:51.319
with all this political stuff it looks

02:49:51.760 --> 02:49:54.760
like a tip i mean Rosehill School on

02:49:54.960 --> 02:49:57.960
election day was just awful

02:49:58.960 --> 02:50:01.960
awful the whole thing so I would like

02:50:02.160 --> 02:50:04.856
our policy to change and really it

02:50:04.880 --> 02:50:07.880
didn't do you any good so So I I would

02:50:09.439 --> 02:50:12.056
like our policy changed i would like our

02:50:12.080 --> 02:50:15.080
policy if we can do it to have more

02:50:15.200 --> 02:50:18.200
monetary um

02:50:22.720 --> 02:50:25.335
for people to actually cost people money

02:50:25.359 --> 02:50:28.056
if they're going to come and deface our

02:50:28.080 --> 02:50:29.736
City you know if that's what they want

02:50:29.760 --> 02:50:31.656
to do then do it but it's going to cost

02:50:31.680 --> 02:50:34.536
you money to do it the council has been

02:50:34.560 --> 02:50:36.936
conscious of the time

02:50:36.960 --> 02:50:38.056
can I just say we've already had two

02:50:38.080 --> 02:50:41.080
speakers four can we try tonight being

02:50:41.439 --> 02:50:43.255
very lenient

02:50:43.279 --> 02:50:44.776
question

02:50:44.800 --> 02:50:47.800
can I put it to a vote because we've had

02:50:48.240 --> 02:50:49.736
two four unless we've got anyone against

02:50:49.760 --> 02:50:52.216
which I don't think anyone's against

02:50:52.240 --> 02:50:53.976
okay i'm going to let councelor Pelamari

02:50:54.000 --> 02:50:56.056
are against

02:50:56.080 --> 02:50:57.976
question i have a question happy if you

02:50:58.000 --> 02:51:00.136
ask a question are you against or can I

02:51:00.160 --> 02:51:02.375
consider yeah I just had a question um

02:51:02.399 --> 02:51:04.696
go ahead council just just quickly um

02:51:04.720 --> 02:51:06.776
through you Lord Mayor to the relevant

02:51:06.800 --> 02:51:09.800
um executive director um can you give us

02:51:10.080 --> 02:51:12.136
an an idea of how many fines were

02:51:12.160 --> 02:51:13.816
actually issued by City parameter

02:51:13.840 --> 02:51:15.736
council during the recent federal

02:51:15.760 --> 02:51:17.496
election

02:51:17.520 --> 02:51:20.520
um through Mr benas through you Lord

02:51:20.560 --> 02:51:23.560
Mayor none that I'm aware of

02:51:23.840 --> 02:51:26.216
why exactly i don't think it's our

02:51:26.240 --> 02:51:28.455
policy council Prociv we only allow two

02:51:28.479 --> 02:51:30.375
Aframes on the road i think it's more to

02:51:30.399 --> 02:51:33.335
do with private um property um so I I

02:51:33.359 --> 02:51:36.295
support um council suggest if if you

02:51:36.319 --> 02:51:38.375
can't if you have something attached to

02:51:38.399 --> 02:51:41.399
a tree like you take it and you screw it

02:51:41.520 --> 02:51:44.520
into a tree on a on on a foot path that

02:51:45.439 --> 02:51:47.896
that's that's um you've already spoken

02:51:47.920 --> 02:51:49.656
with sorry I don't they should have paid

02:51:49.680 --> 02:51:51.496
for it can I suggest councelor Ella that

02:51:51.520 --> 02:51:53.496
you probably do a nom to the LG New

02:51:53.520 --> 02:51:55.016
South Wales conference i think is a good

02:51:55.040 --> 02:51:56.455
norm if we can get support of all the

02:51:56.479 --> 02:51:58.536
councils i'm sure one council and try to

02:51:58.560 --> 02:51:59.736
pressure the state government as you

02:51:59.760 --> 02:52:01.096
said to try to get some stronger

02:52:01.120 --> 02:52:04.120
legislation and maybe some regulatory

02:52:04.240 --> 02:52:06.936
ability for us to find and catch so not

02:52:06.960 --> 02:52:09.960
catch collect revenue to reimburse our

02:52:10.000 --> 02:52:12.136
staffing costs for the removal i'm only

02:52:12.160 --> 02:52:14.216
going to accept questions councelor

02:52:14.240 --> 02:52:15.816
Darly

02:52:15.840 --> 02:52:17.176
thank you it's a follow-up question to

02:52:17.200 --> 02:52:20.200
councelor Valjax um in the last federal

02:52:20.800 --> 02:52:22.375
election so last term at council we

02:52:22.399 --> 02:52:24.936
issued I believe it was $14,000 worth of

02:52:24.960 --> 02:52:27.816
fines to Clive Palmer's party so I'm

02:52:27.840 --> 02:52:30.056
just confused about why no fines were

02:52:30.080 --> 02:52:31.896
issued

02:52:31.920 --> 02:52:34.920
this time um I imagine he was sticking

02:52:35.120 --> 02:52:36.696
them in the same locations and things so

02:52:36.720 --> 02:52:38.936
I thought our policy was clear but I

02:52:38.960 --> 02:52:41.016
threw you to the relevant officer is

02:52:41.040 --> 02:52:42.455
there a reason i mean I'm not sure we

02:52:42.479 --> 02:52:44.455
ever got the money um that might be a

02:52:44.479 --> 02:52:46.616
different question but I know that

02:52:46.640 --> 02:52:49.640
election um yeah we were very we cracked

02:52:50.800 --> 02:52:52.776
down on it because it was such an issue

02:52:52.800 --> 02:52:55.656
um and I believe for me as a local

02:52:55.680 --> 02:52:57.576
resident I've I've always found our area

02:52:57.600 --> 02:53:00.600
to be very our LGA to be very strong a

02:53:00.800 --> 02:53:02.295
lot of LGA's the council's let them

02:53:02.319 --> 02:53:05.096
stick them up everywhere so

02:53:05.120 --> 02:53:07.016
just wondering if we changed something

02:53:07.040 --> 02:53:08.295
through you Lord May to the relevant

02:53:08.319 --> 02:53:10.616
officer through me to Mr b that's what I

02:53:10.640 --> 02:53:12.936
thought me I'm not aware of um the

02:53:12.960 --> 02:53:14.936
circumstances relating to the federal

02:53:14.960 --> 02:53:16.776
election the previous Fred election but

02:53:16.800 --> 02:53:18.295
I'll take it on that right okay thank

02:53:18.319 --> 02:53:20.616
you any further questions counselors or

02:53:20.640 --> 02:53:22.856
anyone against yes i have one question

02:53:22.880 --> 02:53:24.455
thank you Lord Mayor through you Lord

02:53:24.479 --> 02:53:27.479
Mayor i hope that councelor Ellard will

02:53:28.000 --> 02:53:30.776
consider for his New South government

02:53:30.800 --> 02:53:33.800
New South Wales  motion

02:53:34.240 --> 02:53:37.240
that the enormous use of once off

02:53:37.680 --> 02:53:40.295
plastics in the election and we as a

02:53:40.319 --> 02:53:42.136
state have a policy against the use

02:53:42.160 --> 02:53:45.160
single use plastics and I think that

02:53:45.200 --> 02:53:47.096
we've been really remiss in the way

02:53:47.120 --> 02:53:49.736
we've been using them so

02:53:49.760 --> 02:53:52.760
yeah I do too i do too but I know that

02:53:52.880 --> 02:53:55.016
those things that were plastered around

02:53:55.040 --> 02:53:57.976
the schools with single use plastics so

02:53:58.000 --> 02:54:00.536
would you please consider putting in

02:54:00.560 --> 02:54:03.096
something about not reducing single use

02:54:03.120 --> 02:54:04.696
council wants to get rid of the wraps I

02:54:04.720 --> 02:54:06.216
think is what she's referring to which

02:54:06.240 --> 02:54:09.240
is used by both parties um okay and you

02:54:10.319 --> 02:54:12.136
got a question okay with no further

02:54:12.160 --> 02:54:13.335
questions I'll put the motion all those

02:54:13.359 --> 02:54:16.359
in favor i anyone against no unanimous

02:54:16.720 --> 02:54:19.576
we've now got councelor Raffoul for your nom

02:54:19.600 --> 02:54:22.600
seconded second

02:54:24.240 --> 02:54:26.136
councelor Palomar voted against the

02:54:26.160 --> 02:54:29.160
previous motion so 1441 against

02:54:32.560 --> 02:54:35.560
lord Mayor I rise to Here we go lord

02:54:36.080 --> 02:54:38.455
Mayor I rise to speak to a motion that

02:54:38.479 --> 02:54:41.479
carries the voices and concerns of a

02:54:41.760 --> 02:54:44.216
number of local motorists and

02:54:44.240 --> 02:54:47.240
pedestrians across both the Dundas and

02:54:47.840 --> 02:54:50.840
Carlingford wards um Lord Mayor the

02:54:51.840 --> 02:54:54.840
intersection at  Pennit Hills Road and

02:54:55.040 --> 02:54:58.040
Evans Road is in need of a desperate

02:54:58.240 --> 02:55:01.240
upgrade i've had a number of  locals

02:55:01.920 --> 02:55:04.920
 speak to me about the um concerns

02:55:05.920 --> 02:55:07.816
that they have um about this

02:55:07.840 --> 02:55:09.816
intersection including the significant

02:55:09.840 --> 02:55:12.840
queueing um during peak hours over the

02:55:13.200 --> 02:55:16.200
last 5 years we've had  14 car crashes

02:55:17.520 --> 02:55:20.520
nine of which were  right  turn

02:55:20.960 --> 02:55:23.736
related i've also had pedestrians talk

02:55:23.760 --> 02:55:26.760
to me about the um difficulty they face

02:55:27.439 --> 02:55:29.576
when they're attempting to cross Penn

02:55:29.600 --> 02:55:32.600
Hills Road um to access nearby bus stops

02:55:33.520 --> 02:55:36.520
and  recreational facilities um so

02:55:37.120 --> 02:55:40.120
it's important that we address this

02:55:40.240 --> 02:55:42.936
in um  we address an upgrade to this

02:55:42.960 --> 02:55:45.576
intersection now more than ever because

02:55:45.600 --> 02:55:48.056
the intersection will become more and

02:55:48.080 --> 02:55:50.936
more important as two major developments

02:55:50.960 --> 02:55:53.576
in the area are realized one of course

02:55:53.600 --> 02:55:56.536
is the maritan  project on Penny Hills

02:55:56.560 --> 02:55:59.016
Road in Caringford and the other is the

02:55:59.040 --> 02:56:02.040
nearby upgrade or redevelopment of the

02:56:02.080 --> 02:56:05.080
three towers and the surrounding area um

02:56:05.200 --> 02:56:07.096
unfortunately transport for New South

02:56:07.120 --> 02:56:10.120
Wales haven't been very helpful in the

02:56:10.240 --> 02:56:12.455
first instance we were council was

02:56:12.479 --> 02:56:15.479
informed that  it was actually a

02:56:15.760 --> 02:56:18.760
condition of um  consent in that the

02:56:19.279 --> 02:56:22.056
OC would not be issued um until and

02:56:22.080 --> 02:56:24.936
unless the developer  sought civil

02:56:24.960 --> 02:56:27.176
works and  signals at that

02:56:27.200 --> 02:56:30.200
intersection unfortunately however um

02:56:30.560 --> 02:56:33.016
the  Transport for New South Wales

02:56:33.040 --> 02:56:35.656
later walked back from that position and

02:56:35.680 --> 02:56:38.680
the latest  on this um issue is in

02:56:39.200 --> 02:56:42.200
fact that the developer is only required

02:56:42.319 --> 02:56:45.319
to explore the p the potential for the

02:56:45.600 --> 02:56:48.295
delivery  which is definitely not good

02:56:48.319 --> 02:56:51.319
enough lord Mayor I'm calling  for you

02:56:51.520 --> 02:56:54.455
to write to the New South Wales Minister

02:56:54.479 --> 02:56:57.479
for Transport um John Graham MLC to seek

02:56:58.800 --> 02:57:01.415
an urgent meeting with him as well as

02:57:01.439 --> 02:57:03.335
representatives from Transport for New

02:57:03.359 --> 02:57:06.359
South Wales to um discuss and secure an

02:57:07.680 --> 02:57:10.536
upgrade as a condition to the

02:57:10.560 --> 02:57:13.096
intersection at  Penny Hills Road and

02:57:13.120 --> 02:57:15.976
Evans Road um I'm calling for a common

02:57:16.000 --> 02:57:19.000
sense approach   the signals aid the

02:57:19.600 --> 02:57:21.576
flow of tRaffoulfic and it will of course

02:57:21.600 --> 02:57:24.295
ensure that pedestrians are able to

02:57:24.319 --> 02:57:27.319
safely cross the um  the road um we've

02:57:28.640 --> 02:57:30.936
waited long enough transport for New

02:57:30.960 --> 02:57:33.960
South Wales have wavered um  from

02:57:34.399 --> 02:57:37.399
their position and they  seem unable

02:57:37.680 --> 02:57:40.680
to  come up with a firm position so

02:57:41.680 --> 02:57:44.680
we're  requiring the minister to um

02:57:44.880 --> 02:57:47.880
secure one  for us thank you

02:57:48.720 --> 02:57:50.616
thank you councelor councelor Valer

02:57:50.640 --> 02:57:53.176
thank you um councelor Raffoulul for raising

02:57:53.200 --> 02:57:56.200
this absolutely critical um in piece of

02:57:56.319 --> 02:57:58.056
infrastructure that was actually

02:57:58.080 --> 02:58:00.616
promised  by the by transport for New

02:58:00.640 --> 02:58:03.335
South Wales um as part of the if you

02:58:03.359 --> 02:58:06.359
recall um the maritan development um in

02:58:06.880 --> 02:58:09.335
um on Penant Hills Road backing onto

02:58:09.359 --> 02:58:11.576
Shirley Street now at the time of that

02:58:11.600 --> 02:58:13.415
development and I'm going to use the

02:58:13.439 --> 02:58:15.896
words that I used on the night when we

02:58:15.920 --> 02:58:18.920
reluctantly supported it given the

02:58:19.040 --> 02:58:21.816
increase in height to  29 stories

02:58:21.840 --> 02:58:24.455
which is unprecedented for the area and

02:58:24.479 --> 02:58:27.176
we did so on the undertaking that

02:58:27.200 --> 02:58:30.200
transport for New South Wales

02:58:30.240 --> 02:58:32.536
 were going to support implementation

02:58:32.560 --> 02:58:35.176
of tRaffoulfic control signals at the Penant

02:58:35.200 --> 02:58:37.896
Hills Evans Lloyd's Avenue for safe

02:58:37.920 --> 02:58:40.216
pedestrian movements given the

02:58:40.240 --> 02:58:43.240
development uplift now that was one of

02:58:43.520 --> 02:58:46.136
the factors that went into my

02:58:46.160 --> 02:58:48.056
consideration and my due diligence as

02:58:48.080 --> 02:58:51.080
part of this project um and providing um

02:58:53.200 --> 02:58:55.176
approval for it to proceed or the

02:58:55.200 --> 02:58:58.056
planning proposal I should say um now

02:58:58.080 --> 02:58:59.656
the state government at the same time

02:58:59.680 --> 02:59:01.736
was also proposing to upgrade the

02:59:01.760 --> 02:59:03.496
intersection of Penent Hills Road and

02:59:03.520 --> 02:59:05.976
Carlingford Road to ease congestion and

02:59:06.000 --> 02:59:08.696
improve safety by widening sections of

02:59:08.720 --> 02:59:10.455
Penant Hill Penent Hills Road and

02:59:10.479 --> 02:59:13.479
Caringford Road um now I I I absolutely

02:59:13.760 --> 02:59:15.896
concur with councelor Raffoulul um we need

02:59:15.920 --> 02:59:17.496
to seek an urgent meeting with the

02:59:17.520 --> 02:59:20.520
minister but the problem is systemic in

02:59:22.080 --> 02:59:24.375
that whole area to the point where

02:59:24.399 --> 02:59:26.455
council is spending its own money to

02:59:26.479 --> 02:59:29.096
undertake tRaffoulfic muddling  for the

02:59:29.120 --> 02:59:31.176
penant hills road and mostly street

02:59:31.200 --> 02:59:33.496
intersection which aligns in that same

02:59:33.520 --> 02:59:35.976
region um because transport for New

02:59:36.000 --> 02:59:37.736
South Wales deemed that the development

02:59:37.760 --> 02:59:40.216
wouldn't impact that intersection but it

02:59:40.240 --> 02:59:43.096
will um I'm sorry this is just not

02:59:43.120 --> 02:59:45.016
acceptable transport for New South Wales

02:59:45.040 --> 02:59:47.576
cannot come to council and provide an

02:59:47.600 --> 02:59:50.600
undertaking that they um support um and

02:59:51.359 --> 02:59:54.359
and propose um implementation of tRaffoulfic

02:59:54.720 --> 02:59:56.776
signals at this intersection and then

02:59:56.800 --> 02:59:59.800
walk away um accidents abound there

03:00:00.800 --> 03:00:03.335
as councelor Raffoulul has pointed out and

03:00:03.359 --> 03:00:05.816
it's absolutely not acceptable council

03:00:05.840 --> 03:00:08.375
should not  leave it at at at what it

03:00:08.399 --> 03:00:11.399
currently is and I um seek urgent

03:00:12.000 --> 03:00:13.576
representation

03:00:13.600 --> 03:00:16.600
um to the minister something has to

03:00:16.720 --> 03:00:18.375
something has to give you cannot give

03:00:18.399 --> 03:00:20.936
uplift and and and increase high density

03:00:20.960 --> 03:00:22.936
along the light rail  without

03:00:22.960 --> 03:00:25.176
providing safe pedestrian i urge all of

03:00:25.200 --> 03:00:27.496
our colleagues um on the other side of

03:00:27.520 --> 03:00:29.816
um the room um and it impacts all of you

03:00:29.840 --> 03:00:32.840
it impacts councelor Mlan it impacts

03:00:32.960 --> 03:00:35.096
councelor French it impacts councelor

03:00:35.120 --> 03:00:38.056
Ellard um this is such a critical and it

03:00:38.080 --> 03:00:39.896
can't be looked in isolation they they

03:00:39.920 --> 03:00:41.415
really need to look at that pendant

03:00:41.439 --> 03:00:44.439
hills road junction and make a decision

03:00:45.040 --> 03:00:47.016
because this has been at least a decade

03:00:47.040 --> 03:00:50.040
of kicking the can down the road um

03:00:50.479 --> 03:00:52.295
thank you um and thank you again

03:00:52.319 --> 03:00:55.319
councelor Raffoulul  councelor Ella just

03:00:56.399 --> 03:00:58.536
keeping in mind time again councelor I

03:00:58.560 --> 03:01:01.335
will be quick

03:01:01.359 --> 03:01:04.056
for those who live in the east for those

03:01:04.080 --> 03:01:06.136
who live in Parramatta ward and sorry the

03:01:06.160 --> 03:01:09.160
west of the of the LGA penant hills road

03:01:10.399 --> 03:01:13.096
and Evans road is our equivalent of the

03:01:13.120 --> 03:01:16.120
two gabby bridge it has been there not

03:01:16.240 --> 03:01:17.576
for the last few years it has been there

03:01:17.600 --> 03:01:19.335
for generations I want to tell a very

03:01:19.359 --> 03:01:22.359
quick story I was 17 years and was going

03:01:24.319 --> 03:01:25.976
to say

03:01:26.000 --> 03:01:28.856
six weeks old i was had my L had my peas

03:01:28.880 --> 03:01:31.656
for about just over 3 weeks and I was

03:01:31.680 --> 03:01:33.736
driving to my first branch meeting at

03:01:33.760 --> 03:01:35.576
the Dundas Rugby Club are you making

03:01:35.600 --> 03:01:37.896
this up i am not making this up my first

03:01:37.920 --> 03:01:39.736
my first young labor meeting at Sorry my

03:01:39.760 --> 03:01:42.760
first young labor meeting  as a driver

03:01:42.800 --> 03:01:45.736
at the at Parramatta Vikings at the rugby

03:01:45.760 --> 03:01:48.760
club um first time at night by myself

03:01:50.160 --> 03:01:52.216
down that road i been down there a few

03:01:52.240 --> 03:01:54.536
times but never actually driven before

03:01:54.560 --> 03:01:57.496
to find a car from that intersection

03:01:57.520 --> 03:02:00.056
being rammed straight across narrowly

03:02:00.080 --> 03:02:02.295
missed me

03:02:02.319 --> 03:02:04.776
that was when I was 17 so I'm not going

03:02:04.800 --> 03:02:07.800
to say it was  over it was happy times

03:02:08.560 --> 03:02:11.560
back then yes um nothing's changed it

03:02:11.840 --> 03:02:13.576
was a fairly long time ago nothing's

03:02:13.600 --> 03:02:16.600
changed this issue needs to be resolved

03:02:16.640 --> 03:02:19.640
this is like the the this is like the

03:02:20.720 --> 03:02:23.496
two and Gabby bridge we need a set of

03:02:23.520 --> 03:02:26.520
tRaffoulfic lights it's really not that hard

03:02:26.560 --> 03:02:29.335
and if you as a Labour party member if

03:02:29.359 --> 03:02:32.359
you need my support to push this through

03:02:32.399 --> 03:02:33.896
Labor Pay just tell me when and where

03:02:33.920 --> 03:02:35.736
and I'll be there this is one of those

03:02:35.760 --> 03:02:38.056
things this is beyond politics we just

03:02:38.080 --> 03:02:41.016
need a set of tRaffoulfic lights literally

03:02:41.040 --> 03:02:42.375
thank you Council i agree with you

03:02:42.399 --> 03:02:45.096
couldn't agree anymore unfortunately the

03:02:45.120 --> 03:02:48.120
federal opposition candidate or the the

03:02:48.560 --> 03:02:50.295
Katie Mullins the federal  Liberal

03:02:50.319 --> 03:02:52.776
candidate did commit to 15 million for

03:02:52.800 --> 03:02:54.776
this site unfortunately

03:02:54.800 --> 03:02:57.415
we were not able to get a commitment

03:02:57.439 --> 03:03:00.439
from your side for Mr charlton and

03:03:00.720 --> 03:03:03.016
unfortunately if we were we would

03:03:03.040 --> 03:03:04.856
hopefully have had that sorted but we

03:03:04.880 --> 03:03:07.415
need to now advocate to Mr charlton

03:03:07.439 --> 03:03:09.736
hopefully he'll support us but more

03:03:09.760 --> 03:03:11.736
importantly state government needs to

03:03:11.760 --> 03:03:13.176
sort it out it's a big problem they're

03:03:13.200 --> 03:03:15.335
getting contributions from major

03:03:15.359 --> 03:03:17.656
developments in that area meritan being

03:03:17.680 --> 03:03:19.176
one of them i think they've got enough

03:03:19.200 --> 03:03:21.415
money from that proposal itself to fund

03:03:21.439 --> 03:03:24.439
this councelor Darly

03:03:24.880 --> 03:03:27.816
thank you Lord Mayor um I actually

03:03:27.840 --> 03:03:29.736
thought we had resolved this and it

03:03:29.760 --> 03:03:32.295
wasn't until I saw the announcement by

03:03:32.319 --> 03:03:33.896
um Katie Mullins at the time and I

03:03:33.920 --> 03:03:35.335
commented and said that this has already

03:03:35.359 --> 03:03:37.576
been done and and the Lord Mayor then

03:03:37.600 --> 03:03:39.335
reached out to me and I laugh because I

03:03:39.359 --> 03:03:41.496
it was it was out of frustration and and

03:03:41.520 --> 03:03:43.816
I honestly was confused about why she

03:03:43.840 --> 03:03:45.816
was um proposing the funding when we had

03:03:45.840 --> 03:03:47.976
resolved as a chamber and and from my

03:03:48.000 --> 03:03:49.496
understanding was that it was

03:03:49.520 --> 03:03:52.520
progressing so I I have a question um

03:03:52.640 --> 03:03:55.640
around process given it was quite a key

03:03:56.080 --> 03:03:58.375
part of our approval of the meritan

03:03:58.399 --> 03:04:01.399
uplift um and given that we had two

03:04:01.439 --> 03:04:03.415
conflicting responses from you know one

03:04:03.439 --> 03:04:06.136
supporting and then changing

03:04:06.160 --> 03:04:07.656
I just wondering through you Lord May to

03:04:07.680 --> 03:04:09.335
the relevant officer why it wasn't

03:04:09.359 --> 03:04:11.415
brought back as a staff report to the

03:04:11.439 --> 03:04:14.439
chamber that we were informed of um that

03:04:14.560 --> 03:04:16.375
the change in response from from

03:04:16.399 --> 03:04:18.295
transport for New South Wales

03:04:18.319 --> 03:04:19.736
particularly if it had been done earlier

03:04:19.760 --> 03:04:22.056
this year we could have act on it sooner

03:04:22.080 --> 03:04:23.896
so I'm just wondering in those sort of

03:04:23.920 --> 03:04:25.736
circumstances would it be normal for me

03:04:25.760 --> 03:04:27.335
to have expected for it to come back

03:04:27.359 --> 03:04:30.136
through um through the chamber as a

03:04:30.160 --> 03:04:33.096
staff report notifying us of of that

03:04:33.120 --> 03:04:36.120
change and any advocacy around um yes

03:04:37.200 --> 03:04:40.200
from me through me to Mr collier

03:04:41.120 --> 03:04:43.496
through you Lord Mayor  the issue

03:04:43.520 --> 03:04:45.096
related to a condition of development

03:04:45.120 --> 03:04:46.696
approval so development applications

03:04:46.720 --> 03:04:49.415
don't not normally refer to council as

03:04:49.439 --> 03:04:51.576
the determining authority and in this

03:04:51.600 --> 03:04:53.335
instance council officers took it up

03:04:53.359 --> 03:04:55.976
with  technical officers from

03:04:56.000 --> 03:04:57.976
transport for New South Wales to pursue

03:04:58.000 --> 03:04:59.896
the issue but were unsuccessful in doing

03:04:59.920 --> 03:05:02.216
so as part of the approval process okay

03:05:02.240 --> 03:05:04.455
thank you cuz I know in um I met with

03:05:04.479 --> 03:05:06.136
our tRaffoulfic manager recently went

03:05:06.160 --> 03:05:07.896
through a range of matters and this was

03:05:07.920 --> 03:05:10.455
one of them um and I understood that it

03:05:10.479 --> 03:05:13.096
was still progressing my my question um

03:05:13.120 --> 03:05:15.335
through you Lord May is is is a meeting

03:05:15.359 --> 03:05:18.216
enough like what else can we do i know

03:05:18.240 --> 03:05:20.616
when we met with um Minister Rose

03:05:20.640 --> 03:05:22.056
recently and talking about the Topia

03:05:22.080 --> 03:05:24.375
redevelopment it was committed to as

03:05:24.399 --> 03:05:26.696
part of that development as well um but

03:05:26.720 --> 03:05:28.776
we felt that with the Meritan it was

03:05:28.800 --> 03:05:31.736
going to add extra um extra issues and I

03:05:31.760 --> 03:05:33.016
actually remember on the day that Katie

03:05:33.040 --> 03:05:34.455
Mullins made that announcement there was

03:05:34.479 --> 03:05:37.176
a horrific truck overturn um at that

03:05:37.200 --> 03:05:40.200
intersection so I'm just I'm wondering

03:05:40.240 --> 03:05:42.216
what else we can do and whether you

03:05:42.240 --> 03:05:44.856
think a meeting is enough um and to

03:05:44.880 --> 03:05:47.576
councelor Valjac's point not not to

03:05:47.600 --> 03:05:49.976
muddy the water but it is actually the

03:05:50.000 --> 03:05:52.776
whole precinct there it's post office

03:05:52.800 --> 03:05:54.616
street you know like it's it's the the

03:05:54.640 --> 03:05:56.375
flow on effect and I think we need to

03:05:56.399 --> 03:05:57.896
sort of have that broader discussion

03:05:57.920 --> 03:06:00.856
with them um given the density that we

03:06:00.880 --> 03:06:03.096
have around Carling's light rail station

03:06:03.120 --> 03:06:05.255
so

03:06:05.279 --> 03:06:08.279
C I'd love to say um yes but you're

03:06:09.279 --> 03:06:11.816
right it's no um I believe that from

03:06:11.840 --> 03:06:13.415
that meeting we had  with Minister

03:06:13.439 --> 03:06:16.439
Jackson when we revisit the Telopia

03:06:17.520 --> 03:06:19.496
precinct next month I think or the month

03:06:19.520 --> 03:06:21.816
after i have no doubt that the staff

03:06:21.840 --> 03:06:24.840
will include in their push again for

03:06:25.760 --> 03:06:28.760
this other than that um advocating to

03:06:29.439 --> 03:06:32.136
our both state and federal members to

03:06:32.160 --> 03:06:34.696
push with us i'm not sure what more we

03:06:34.720 --> 03:06:37.720
could do

03:06:39.439 --> 03:06:41.576
yeah can I ask then I I don't need need

03:06:41.600 --> 03:06:43.096
to amend it but if we can have a report

03:06:43.120 --> 03:06:45.816
back after the meeting so we know the

03:06:45.840 --> 03:06:48.455
outcome of that councelor would you like

03:06:48.479 --> 03:06:49.976
to

03:06:50.000 --> 03:06:51.976
um

03:06:52.000 --> 03:06:54.295
I don't know if we need to i'm sure the

03:06:54.319 --> 03:06:56.776
staff will report it to us is that Let's

03:06:56.800 --> 03:06:58.136
just make sure that we you know we do

03:06:58.160 --> 03:07:01.016
inform either via briefing note or a

03:07:01.040 --> 03:07:02.936
report to the council to inform them of

03:07:02.960 --> 03:07:05.960
the outcome okay all right we'll put

03:07:06.240 --> 03:07:08.375
that motion all those in favor i anyone

03:07:08.399 --> 03:07:10.696
against no we now move to councelor

03:07:10.720 --> 03:07:12.856
Greenwood's nom report on successful

03:07:12.880 --> 03:07:15.736
strategies to increase tree canopy thank

03:07:15.760 --> 03:07:18.616
you Lord Mayor um this motion as written

03:07:18.640 --> 03:07:21.640
calls on the CEO to prepare a report i

03:07:22.160 --> 03:07:24.056
apologize CEO i'm sure you've got a

03:07:24.080 --> 03:07:26.536
council to do it for you so the motion

03:07:26.560 --> 03:07:29.096
is that council prepare a report that

03:07:29.120 --> 03:07:31.335
examines how different councils across

03:07:31.359 --> 03:07:33.096
Sydney are working to increase tree

03:07:33.120 --> 03:07:35.896
coverage in urban areas the report

03:07:35.920 --> 03:07:38.375
should include which Sydney councils

03:07:38.399 --> 03:07:41.399
have successfully increase tree coverage

03:07:41.600 --> 03:07:43.496
key aspects of their approach that may

03:07:43.520 --> 03:07:46.216
help  achieve this growth in the City

03:07:46.240 --> 03:07:48.856
of Parramatta a comparison of effective

03:07:48.880 --> 03:07:51.415
true canopy programs run by leading

03:07:51.439 --> 03:07:53.976
councils in Sydney and on staff advice

03:07:54.000 --> 03:07:56.375
I'd like to limit that to perhaps up to

03:07:56.399 --> 03:07:59.399
four leading councils no more or staff

03:08:00.160 --> 03:08:02.056
will be there forever

03:08:02.080 --> 03:08:04.536
also financial strategies that support

03:08:04.560 --> 03:08:07.415
tree protection such as grants bonds

03:08:07.439 --> 03:08:09.176
inspections and fines for better

03:08:09.200 --> 03:08:11.415
compliance so we can look at recovering

03:08:11.439 --> 03:08:14.375
some of our costs ways to secure funding

03:08:14.399 --> 03:08:16.616
including partnerships changes to

03:08:16.640 --> 03:08:18.536
legislation and community-led

03:08:18.560 --> 03:08:20.856
initiatives and suggestions for

03:08:20.880 --> 03:08:22.616
strategies that could be useful for the

03:08:22.640 --> 03:08:25.415
City of Parramatta Council further I ask

03:08:25.439 --> 03:08:28.295
the report be provided by councilors to

03:08:28.319 --> 03:08:31.255
councilors by the end of August 2025 and

03:08:31.279 --> 03:08:33.176
that council use the information to

03:08:33.200 --> 03:08:35.656
assist in the preparation of the tree

03:08:35.680 --> 03:08:37.736
canopy pan that's due to council later

03:08:37.760 --> 03:08:40.760
this year

03:08:41.920 --> 03:08:44.920
um

03:08:45.040 --> 03:08:47.496
so you know urban tree canopy plays

03:08:47.520 --> 03:08:49.656
vital role in shaping the livability of

03:08:49.680 --> 03:08:52.680
our cities trees provide shade reduce

03:08:52.720 --> 03:08:55.096
urban heat improve air quality and

03:08:55.120 --> 03:08:57.656
enhance biodiversity and contribute to

03:08:57.680 --> 03:08:59.496
the overall health and happiness of our

03:08:59.520 --> 03:09:02.520
communities as Parramatta develops it's

03:09:02.720 --> 03:09:04.776
imperative that we take proactive steps

03:09:04.800 --> 03:09:07.800
to expand our green spaces australia is

03:09:08.399 --> 03:09:10.696
internationally famous for its bush land

03:09:10.720 --> 03:09:12.696
and the City of Parramatta is home to

03:09:12.720 --> 03:09:14.936
significant natural areas as well as

03:09:14.960 --> 03:09:17.576
treeline streets and parks and as I

03:09:17.600 --> 03:09:19.096
mentioned earlier is one of the reasons

03:09:19.120 --> 03:09:21.255
I moved here

03:09:21.279 --> 03:09:23.176
further developing streetscapes through

03:09:23.200 --> 03:09:25.496
canopies that showcase natural and

03:09:25.520 --> 03:09:27.656
heritage trees will contribute to

03:09:27.680 --> 03:09:29.896
beautifying our emerging global City and

03:09:29.920 --> 03:09:32.536
ensuring Parramatta's sensational native

03:09:32.560 --> 03:09:34.696
trees are on display for international

03:09:34.720 --> 03:09:36.295
visitors

03:09:36.319 --> 03:09:38.696
 to this end during the last term of

03:09:38.720 --> 03:09:41.496
council council supported a 30% tree

03:09:41.520 --> 03:09:44.375
canopy target and I thank those councils

03:09:44.399 --> 03:09:46.856
present who supported that target

03:09:46.880 --> 03:09:48.776
however it's very difficult to achieve

03:09:48.800 --> 03:09:50.536
because challenges such as land

03:09:50.560 --> 03:09:53.255
constraints tree maintenance costs and

03:09:53.279 --> 03:09:55.415
competing development priorities will

03:09:55.439 --> 03:09:58.439
require require councils to adopt well

03:09:58.720 --> 03:10:01.415
inform and adaptable strategies that

03:10:01.439 --> 03:10:04.216
balance environmental and urban planning

03:10:04.240 --> 03:10:05.896
needs

03:10:05.920 --> 03:10:08.136
So a thorough review of successful

03:10:08.160 --> 03:10:10.455
canopy enhancement approaches will

03:10:10.479 --> 03:10:12.295
provide valuable insights that can help

03:10:12.319 --> 03:10:14.216
council's decision making in its urban

03:10:14.240 --> 03:10:16.216
greening efforts

03:10:16.240 --> 03:10:19.240
um

03:10:20.880 --> 03:10:23.880
I think the only other we should there

03:10:23.920 --> 03:10:25.335
have been a number of successful

03:10:25.359 --> 03:10:27.415
programs across Sydney such as the urban

03:10:27.439 --> 03:10:30.216
forest strategy by the City of Sydney

03:10:30.240 --> 03:10:32.776
the greening neighborhoods program and

03:10:32.800 --> 03:10:34.776
greening our City cRaffoult which have

03:10:34.800 --> 03:10:37.096
demonstrated measurable improvements in

03:10:37.120 --> 03:10:38.936
tree coverage and I believe have

03:10:38.960 --> 03:10:41.960
contributed in our own City of parameda

03:10:42.319 --> 03:10:45.016
um

03:10:45.040 --> 03:10:46.696
and I think this is a timely and

03:10:46.720 --> 03:10:49.176
necessary step to ensure that our City

03:10:49.200 --> 03:10:51.896
remains a growing vibrant and resilient

03:10:51.920 --> 03:10:54.455
in the face of the climate change

03:10:54.479 --> 03:10:56.936
heat temperatures that we expect to come

03:10:56.960 --> 03:10:58.856
so by supporting this motion we're

03:10:58.880 --> 03:11:00.536
committing to a future where trees are

03:11:00.560 --> 03:11:02.776
not an afterthought but a priority and

03:11:02.800 --> 03:11:04.776
we're ensuring the City remains a place

03:11:04.800 --> 03:11:06.616
where people want to live work and

03:11:06.640 --> 03:11:09.096
thrive let's take the opportunity to

03:11:09.120 --> 03:11:11.576
learn from the success of others refine

03:11:11.600 --> 03:11:13.976
our own approach and build a greener

03:11:14.000 --> 03:11:15.976
healthier parameter for generations to

03:11:16.000 --> 03:11:18.536
come i urge councilors to support this

03:11:18.560 --> 03:11:21.560
motion

03:11:21.600 --> 03:11:23.335
yes council as I see everyone's name pop

03:11:23.359 --> 03:11:24.856
up I'll remind everyone after 10:00

03:11:24.880 --> 03:11:26.455
already we still have a number of items

03:11:26.479 --> 03:11:29.016
to get through confidential can we

03:11:29.040 --> 03:11:32.040
please stick what five i only spoke for

03:11:32.640 --> 03:11:34.776
four minutes no I get that

03:11:34.800 --> 03:11:37.576
oh not um I just I'm going to ask if um

03:11:37.600 --> 03:11:39.096
council Greenwood would accept an

03:11:39.120 --> 03:11:42.120
amendment because I note in council's

03:11:42.560 --> 03:11:45.560
response um it did ask that we consider

03:11:45.920 --> 03:11:48.920
four councils um in order to minimize

03:11:49.279 --> 03:11:51.656
the um if we look at the response um in

03:11:51.680 --> 03:11:53.816
the supplementary agenda would councelor

03:11:53.840 --> 03:11:55.976
Greenwood agree to She's agreed she

03:11:56.000 --> 03:11:57.896
mentioned her speech sorry it just needs

03:11:57.920 --> 03:11:59.255
to be updated is that right absolutely

03:11:59.279 --> 03:12:00.856
hasn't been upgrade with you it just

03:12:00.880 --> 03:12:01.736
hasn't been updated can we just have

03:12:01.760 --> 03:12:03.176
that upgraded on the screen the screen

03:12:03.200 --> 03:12:05.816
before we vote on the motion thank you

03:12:05.840 --> 03:12:08.375
council i think we're all supporting do

03:12:08.399 --> 03:12:11.399
we need to have a debate council deputy

03:12:11.600 --> 03:12:14.216
lord May go ahead thank you Lord man you

03:12:14.240 --> 03:12:16.375
know like you say brevity is a virtue so

03:12:16.399 --> 03:12:17.896
I shan keep us long on this but I just

03:12:17.920 --> 03:12:19.976
want to touch on councelor Greenwood's

03:12:20.000 --> 03:12:21.415
last remark there which is this sort of

03:12:21.439 --> 03:12:23.656
thing ought to be a priority not a mere

03:12:23.680 --> 03:12:26.216
afterthought and  think back to your

03:12:26.240 --> 03:12:27.816
successful Lord Mayare business forum

03:12:27.840 --> 03:12:30.840
when we had  John Omani from  Deote

03:12:30.880 --> 03:12:32.295
Access Economic Speaking and he talked

03:12:32.319 --> 03:12:34.936
of the components of a of a growing in a

03:12:34.960 --> 03:12:37.335
global City and he touched on all the

03:12:37.359 --> 03:12:38.696
things you would expect like gradea a

03:12:38.720 --> 03:12:40.776
office space and the need for you know

03:12:40.800 --> 03:12:42.295
extensive floor plates and these sorts

03:12:42.319 --> 03:12:44.056
of things and activations but he talked

03:12:44.080 --> 03:12:46.536
talked extensively also about the need

03:12:46.560 --> 03:12:49.096
for tree canopy and green infrastructure

03:12:49.120 --> 03:12:51.016
as it were for urban heat mitigation in

03:12:51.040 --> 03:12:52.776
our neighborhoods and  you know we

03:12:52.800 --> 03:12:55.096
can't  sit back as a chair and watch

03:12:55.120 --> 03:12:56.856
our neighborhoods you know it's not we

03:12:56.880 --> 03:12:58.295
always talk about how our cities are

03:12:58.319 --> 03:12:59.335
changing it's about how our

03:12:59.359 --> 03:13:00.776
neighborhoods are changing you know we

03:13:00.800 --> 03:13:03.255
are seeing greater setbacks than ever

03:13:03.279 --> 03:13:05.096
we're seeing  you know houses taking

03:13:05.120 --> 03:13:06.696
up huge portions of the block and we

03:13:06.720 --> 03:13:08.536
can't just rely on there being tree

03:13:08.560 --> 03:13:10.616
cover on private property anymore we as

03:13:10.640 --> 03:13:13.176
a council do have to step up  to what

03:13:13.200 --> 03:13:15.176
we can do regards to enforcement but

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also planning of trees in public domain

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so highly support council Greenwood and

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Ashella be seated thank you

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Council Darling

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thank you um just quickly and I I it may

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already be covered by this but I wanted

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to make the point that currently not

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many councils have been effective at

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increasing the tree canopy City of

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Sydney has I think 1% um so to point

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three which says a comparison of

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effective tree canopy programs

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I also think it needs to be ones that

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have been innovative so they may not yet

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have had time to be effective but I I

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don't know if it's necessary to change

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the wording i just know that as I

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started to research this some have been

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more creative in terms of how they fund

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the program through bonds over five and

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10 years at at Hunter Hill Council so

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it's I'm not going to bother with the

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wording at this point but just just a

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request that it isn't just limited

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necessarily to those that have been

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effective to date but that it's you know

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that they've got strategies in place

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that will be effective into the into the

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future and particularly around those

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innovative funding strategies that I've

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noticed some councils do thank you

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Council Pandy just a quick question Lord

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mayor um to council Greenwood are you um

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are you looking at CBD and town centers

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as well

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um looking cross

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through me to you counselor my apologies

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Lord Mayor yeah through you i'm

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interested in both CBDs local centers

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and in our streets so there'll be

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different strategies for different

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places since we're talking about

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previous strategies I'm pretty sure

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councelor Pande moved a similar motion

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in 2019 i'm happy to accept this as well

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there we go one one this is the problem

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we still still haven't council

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 L may procedurally under 1028 of the

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code of meeting practice can I move to

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shorten the speeches to two minutes

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second seconded councelor Ellard all

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those in favor i anyone against we can

03:15:24.319 --> 03:15:26.136
all have a winge now you know we should

03:15:26.160 --> 03:15:28.056
have thought about this at 8 i know I've

03:15:28.080 --> 03:15:29.255
been raising it for the last hour

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councils all right um with no further So

03:15:32.399 --> 03:15:34.455
that was resolved council Darly was

03:15:34.479 --> 03:15:37.335
against just for the records um okay

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i'll put the motion all those in favor i

03:15:40.000 --> 03:15:43.000
anyone against no

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two minutes

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yeah

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okay councilors all questions with

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notice reports with answers have been

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published in the agenda and are taken as

03:16:02.080 --> 03:16:03.656
read

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councilors all questions taken on notice

03:16:05.439 --> 03:16:07.016
reports with answers have been published

03:16:07.040 --> 03:16:10.040
in the agenda and are taken as read i

03:16:10.080 --> 03:16:12.536
can ask a follow-up question

03:16:12.560 --> 03:16:15.560
you can thank you um with the domestic

03:16:16.000 --> 03:16:19.000
waste management question on notice um

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just want to clarify

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with the expenditure for this budgeted

03:16:25.920 --> 03:16:27.656
the original budget for this year says

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29 million sorry 49 million i just want

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to clarify through you  Lord May to

03:16:33.439 --> 03:16:35.096
the relevant officer does that include

03:16:35.120 --> 03:16:38.120
the 5 million rebate that was issued to

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 rate payers this financial year

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through me I'm assuming Mr banas

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yes or

03:16:48.319 --> 03:16:51.319
either you or or emit through you lot

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may I'll take that on notice and confirm

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thank you okay so councilors I will read

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the statement to go into close session

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at this point the time the meeting will

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move into a close session in accordance

03:17:02.560 --> 03:17:04.856
with section 10A of the local government

03:17:04.880 --> 03:17:07.255
act the council enter into close session

03:17:07.279 --> 03:17:10.136
to discuss the following items

03:17:10.160 --> 03:17:12.536
riverside theaters redevelopment project

03:17:12.560 --> 03:17:14.136
proposed budget funding strategy

03:17:14.160 --> 03:17:15.576
governance model and strategic business

03:17:15.600 --> 03:17:18.600
care AIC con 2510 flood smart tender

03:17:20.160 --> 03:17:21.816
CCC28

03:17:21.840 --> 03:17:24.840
community grants FPG con 25-3 tender

03:17:26.880 --> 03:17:29.880
engagement survey provider OCM216

03:17:30.880 --> 03:17:33.176
advisory panels

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um

03:17:35.120 --> 03:17:36.375
accordingly members of the press and

03:17:36.399 --> 03:17:37.576
public are excluded from the close

03:17:37.600 --> 03:17:39.176
session and access of the correspondence

03:17:39.200 --> 03:17:41.016
reports relating to The items considered

03:17:41.040 --> 03:17:42.375
during the course of the close session

03:17:42.399 --> 03:17:43.896
will be withheld i will ask the CEO if

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there have been any representations of

03:17:45.279 --> 03:17:48.279
objections from the public no Lord May

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council can I have a mover and seconded

03:17:50.160 --> 03:17:51.335
for the procedural motion that is

03:17:51.359 --> 03:17:53.896
required to move into into close session

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councilor Palomari seconded council

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Darly all those in favor i anyone

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against no carried sorry for the members

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of the public and the press live

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streaming will cease and resume

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following the confidential session of

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council once the items are addressed the

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live streaming will recommence and the

03:18:09.359 --> 03:18:10.856
resolutions which occurred in close

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session will be confirmed

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meeting moved to close confidential

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session at 10:10

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the items considered in close session be

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received in notice of resolution of

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council without any alteration or

03:18:26.080 --> 03:18:27.496
amendment there too move to council

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palari second council is

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all those in favor i against no

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meeting closed at 11:31