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welcome to tonight's ordinary council

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meeting of City of Parramatta i declare the

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meeting open at 6:41pm

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the City of Parramatta council

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acknowledges the Barramattagal people of

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the Dharug nation as the traditional

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owners of land and pays its respect to

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their ancient culture and to their

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Elders past present and

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emerging this meeting is being recorded

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and streamed live on council's website

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in accordance with section 5 of the

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council's code of meeting practice the

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recording will be made available on

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council's website and visitors in the

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public gallery should be aware that they

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may be recorded all persons attending

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the meeting are to refrain from making

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any defamatory statements members of the

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public please note that in accordance

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with council's code of meeting practice

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the recording of the council meeting by

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the public using any device audio or v

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or video is only permitted with the

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express permission of council recording

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of a council meeting without permission

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may result in the individual being

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expelled from the meeting councilor Raffoul

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 Lord Mayor I seek your permission

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please to record  my motion that's 

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NOM 2515 it will be just be  it will

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just be  a recording of me and it will

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be taken by my sister thank you that's

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fine with me is any objection from the

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council no with that being said we'll

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move on thank you for that council

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Raffoul now we'll move on to apologies

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are there any apologies or requests to

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attend tonight's meeting via audio

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visual connection i can see we're all in

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attendance so there's

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none we have next confirmation of

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minutes i believe there's going to be a

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amendment councelor Darley

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defer

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thank you Lord Mayor  I'm just  moving

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an amendment that we defer the minutes

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until the next council meeting  I've

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had a discussion  with Miss is that

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how we referred to I was going to say

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Roxanne but any  just in regards to some

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discrepancy so rather than making the

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changes on the fly we just thought it

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was better for the staff to go back and

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have a look at the the minutes and then

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make sure that  those changes are made

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accurately so if I can have the support

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of of the chamber there was just a

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number of resolutions that we're not

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sure that they've been recorded properly

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i support deferment thank you councilor ?

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second Greenwood councelor Valjak oh

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it was with regard to another matter do

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we need to vote so  I think that's

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that's a good idea i've 

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received some commentary there are some

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parts of the minutes that need to be

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revisited and spoken to the staff and

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they'll initiate

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that so all those in favor of the

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deferment I  anyone against no carried

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unanimously  Oh councel okay look

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councelor Greenwood

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yeah it's gone through passed resolved

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 do any councils have a declaration of

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interest  yes Lord Mayor  I have a

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declaration  a non-pecuniary but

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significant  with regards to matter 

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COM 25.7 PTE 25.7

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 planning proposal for NEPA

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and DCP amendment so I will be leaving

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the room  during that  discussion

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and vote thank you Lord Mayor thank you

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councelor councelor Pandey and sorry

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sorry anything else you'd like to add

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 I'm a volunteer at  the event

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that  you have a lot minute on which

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is LMM 2512 Western Sydney Corporate

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Charity Lounge  it's non-significant

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non-pecuniary but I will  excuse myself

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 thanks councelor for letting us know

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councelor Issa and thank you Lord Mayor  I've

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got a non- pecuniary

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 I'd suggest significant interest in

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your lord mayoral minute that  pays

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tribute to my late father  I will stay

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in the chamber

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thanks counselor

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 Councilor Valjak go ahead a lot mayor 

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I'd like to  move a procedural motion

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please if we could perhaps  following

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the public forum  perhaps bring

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forward the two notices of the motion

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council we already have that on the on

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the agenda and that will be moved after

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after the public forum yeah after the

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public forum correct okay thank you so

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we'll now move to the Lord Mayoral

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minutes and  it is with great sadness

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that I have to put this first Lord

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Mayoral Minute to acknowledge the 

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late Tony Issa OAM former Lord Mayor of

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the City of Parramatta  as many of us

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know as we all know Tony passed away two

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weeks ago and it's only right and proper

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 that we acknowledge his deaths with a

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minute silence and that we also

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acknowledge his life  we all  had

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the pleasure of well actually it was a

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pleasure to go and  to see the love

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that Tony had and the support in the

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community  the funeral was a very

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touching event  I do want to thank all

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those that attended and it was  yeah

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it was it was a celebration of his life

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and for those that were there and heard

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the homaly of Mon Senior Surer

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 I don't think there could be anything

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else that could have been said about a

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man and  I think I commented to a few

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people after the mass that I'll take 10%

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of what Mon Senior Surer said and I'll be a

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very happy man so  you know Tony

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definitely was the people's Lord Mayor

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of Parramatta and having served on council

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and and also as Lord Mayor and Deputy

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Mayor and then the state member for

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Granville as I've said to many of you 

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Tony definitely was a mentor of mine he

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was a father-like figure and he will be

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dearly missed  the lessons that I

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learned and a number of us in this room

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 learned will not be

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forgotten and  what can I say 

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unfortunately he was taken too soon and

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 you know we do stand with Steven 

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councelor Issa and all of us stand with

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you and support you anything that you 

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need from us please just let us

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know i have got councelor

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Pandey

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anyone councelor your microphone yep i'd

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just like to make a quick remark and pay

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my respects and of course  I believe

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on behalf of my colleagues i first met

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Tony in 2017 in my first election and he

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was someone that I've known to be such a

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great man i didn't know back then but 

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but he was a man that not only support

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his community but someone through  by

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supporting his son on to council and

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sometimes you can see as a father how

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how the amount of support that they 

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provide to the their children he was on

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 every single day supporting his

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child if only my dad was as supportive

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of me  but I do want I do want to

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acknowledge his great achievements 

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and I'm sure his legacy will live and

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I'm under the watch of councelor Issa and

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I'm proud to  serve alongside you and

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 and we are all very proud to have

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someone of such great  you know

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someone that that gave his whole life to

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his community as a counselor as Lord

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Mayor and also as a state member but

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also in his many capacities 

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throughout organizations so I do pay

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respect and that  you know I'm sure

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his legacy will live on thank you thank

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you councelor councelor Raffoul thank you

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Lord Mayor  I too offer my deepest

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condolences and love to the Issa family

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 Tony's wife Susan his sons Steve and

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Pierre and his daughters Tanya and

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Natalie we've lost the giant we've lost

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a one in a million a husband a father a

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grandfather a dear friend a mentor a

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community leader a selfless fighter a

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strong man of faith i could go on 

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Tony's passing leaves a huge hole in our

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hearts and I miss his love his

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friendship his advice his witty sense of

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humour  may he rest in peace Tony's

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memory his leadership and his teachings

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live on through each of us today and

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every day thank you thank you councelor

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councelor Jeffrey  Lord Mayor I 

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would just quickly like to make the

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observation of the variety of people 

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that Tony was able to touch  when I

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went to Our Lady of Lebanon to pay my

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respects  and condolences to the

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family  I was struck at the amount of

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people  that had come  to say

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goodbye  I was only there for roughly

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half an hour but there would have been

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500 people  in the room  and I would

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also take note of just how many

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different groups of people  that Tony

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was able to touch you know in  this

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Marinite Cathedral you had

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representatives of the Darus community

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the Islamic community Hindus  many

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many Marinites  and a few Anglos like

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myself  I will fondly remember the

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days of being a young Liberal

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campaigning in  Granville  and being

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fed charcoal chicken  by Tony Issa 

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you know it for somebody like myself who

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grew up  in you know South Granville I

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think that he paved the way  for our

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party  reaching areas that we don't

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often get a lot of traction in

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  and that's what I have to offer

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so thank you thank you 

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councilor Prociv

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 thank you Lord Mayor  I didn't have

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the pleasure of knowing Tony outside

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politics but my experience with him in

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politics was pretty amazing we used to

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get onto the Rose Hill booth every

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election and  at the last election my

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son came down and he said "Tony and I

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getting into it like we always did and

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someone said to him I you should go and

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save your mother from the Liberals." And

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he said "I think it's the other way

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around i think I should go and save but

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what he said at one point there was this

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lull and Tony said "Got a point there

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Patricia." And we got back into it again

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i will miss Tony i will miss his 

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guidance to all those other young blue

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shirted people that turn up on

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elections and he's a great bloke and

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I've my heart bleeds for Steve and his

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family and  yeah he'll be missed by

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the community and by his family thank

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you Lord Mayor thank you Councilor Issa

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thank you Lord Mayor i'll keep it short

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 just to say thank you

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 not only for this Lord Mayoral minute but

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what this chamber has honored my dad

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with in the naming of the park as well i

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didn't get an opportunity to talk at

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that point but I will say in the last 

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weeks where yourself and counselor Raffoul

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came and presented that to him

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 a week before he

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passed it was a it was a rare moment

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that we saw him smile it was very

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emotional  but it's also very rare

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that someone who's still alive gets to

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see that legacy that they're leaving 

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so on behalf of my family and  I thank

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you I think all of you  thank you

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for everybody who came to the

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condolences and the funeral i think

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everybody in this chamber did so

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heartfelt thanks did not go unnoticed so

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thank you for that and again for this

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Lord Mayor that I could talk for hours

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about dad as you would all know I could

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talk for hours about anything but

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 particularly about my dad i said 

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during the mercy meal 

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that my dad is the giant whose shoulders

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a lot of us have stood on and I 

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reiterate that he paved the way for many

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of us particularly Liberals as the first

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Liberal Lord Mayor not only in the state

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but also in this City  he was a

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trailblazer i am exceptionally grateful

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for what he's done for me  and our

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community so on behalf of my family and

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I thank you all

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thank you councilor i'll put the motion

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all those in favor I unanimous we'll

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give the one minute silence now please

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we can all stand

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thank you

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 i'll now move on to my second Lord

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Mayoral Minute to recognize the 2025

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Anzac Day commemorations second deputy

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Lord Mayor across the City of Parramatta

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and pay  our respects to all who have

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served in our armed forces the

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recommendation that council recognized

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2025 Anzac Day commemorative events

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across the City of Parramatta the council

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notes the extensive program of events

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and activities commemorated Anzac Day

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across the City of Parramatta particularly

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those hosted by the Epping RSL subbranch

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and City of Parramatta RSL subbranch the

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council recognized serving Australian

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Defense Force men and women who worked

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tirelessly to uphold peace and protect

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the freedoms we enjoy in Australia that

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council observe a one minute silence to

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pay respect to the Australian and New

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Zealander men and women who served and

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made the ultimate sacrifice in wars

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conflicts and peacekeEpping operations

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deputy Lord Mayor thank you Lord Mayor

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and I commend you for bringing this Lord

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Mayoral minute for such an important

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occasion and I just stand to reflect

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quickly on the importance of it and

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particularly the efforts of the Epping

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subbranch to ensure that is still

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reflected on within the community as

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recently as yesterday  the Epping RSL

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subbranch had their Sunday march which

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they do every Sunday before Anzac Day of

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course this time it falls on Easter

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Sunday so it was a push back a week 

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it's part of the tradition of Epping part

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of the fabric that  at 2 PM  members

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of community scouts school students

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cadets and  soldiers and community

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members alike march from the Epping Club

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to the Baronia Park Senator  in on

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reflection of the importance of the day

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and just to remember that as we look

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around the world we see the vagaries and

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ravages of war and we do well to reflect

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 just how fragile peace can be and how

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we mustn't take it for granted and I

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commend the Epping subbranch for their

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efforts to ensure that this occasion is

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reflected on and remembered in the

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community and it is so wonderful to see

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residents lining the streets from all

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walks of life observing this occasion on

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their balconies etc through Eppingtown

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Center as the march goes through led by

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the mounted police  so it was

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wonderful to be in attendance again and

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I thank my ward colleagues for joining

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me thank you Lord Mayor thank you

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councelor Raffoul thank you Lord Mayor i

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rise also to pay my respects and honor

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the memories of those who served our

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nation with courage and conviction

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especially those who made the ultimate

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sacrifice i also pay tribute to the

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widows the families and the friends of

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those who  bear the loss of a loved

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one with grace and with enduring

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strength i want to thank the local 

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RSL subbranches in the Parramatta LGA

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specifically  City of Parramatta and

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Epping RSL subbranches for everything you

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do not only directly but via outreach 

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I'd love to see the development of a

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veteran and family hub here in the heart

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of Parramatta i think the closest one to us

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is  one under construction in

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Hawksbury that of course requires our

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federal member  Andrew Charlton or the

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Liberal candidate Katie Mullins to

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provide seed funding  either way I

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think both sides should go to their

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respective sides and and  seek a $5

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million capital  funding for that 

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 of course  it's incredibly

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important but they these veteran and

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family hubs provide services like

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financial assistance they provide

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housing support  they provide

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assistance with DVA claims and advocacy

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 and they also provide  transitional

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homes for  homeless veterans thank you

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thank you councel with no further

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speakers I put the motion all those in

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favor i against no okay we will now

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observe the one minute of silence

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thank

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you we'll now move on to Lord Mar minute

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three from me which is relation to the

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north parameter traffic and transport

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studies seconded by councelor

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Ellard now councilors the purpose of

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this motion is that I write to the New

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South Wales Minister for Transport the

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Honorable John Graeme to request that

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Transport for New South Wales carry out

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an urgent review of the recent traffic

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and transport planning studies

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undertaken in the North Parramatta area to

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ensure that a coordinated approach is

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being taken to manage the traffic impart

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impacts arising from the operation of

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the Parramatta lot route and other growth

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precincts such as North Parramatta

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 extensive traffic and transport plane

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studies have been carried out in recent

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years in and around Parramatta however

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these studies have been carried out in

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relation to various projects including

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the Parramatta CBD PLR and the Parramatta

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North urban transformation

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precinct what we need to make sure now

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is we have a number of proposals that

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are before us for example we've got

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Nepia the North Parramatta precinct East

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Precinct before us tonight but also as

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many of us know that the New South Wales

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state government has also recently

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exhibited a state-led resoning proposal

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for the Parramatta North precinct which

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would allow for an intensification of

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uses including a new university campus

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supporting 25,000 students 12,000 jobs

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and 2,000 plus new homes this

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intensification of uses will generate

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further traffic and parking impacts in

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North Parramatta council's submission to

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the Parramatta North precinct state-led

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resoning proposal h highlights the

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necessity to upgrade various

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intersections in and around North

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Parramatta impacted by the development

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it is noted that under the conditions of

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development approval for the Parramatta

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light rail the proponent being the state

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government is required to prepare an

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operational transport traffic and access

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performance review in consultation with

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transport New South Wales and council 1

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month and 12 months after the

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commencement of the light rail

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operations whilst these operational

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reviews are welcomed it is considered

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that Transport New South Wales must

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undertake a more thorough review of the

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previous traffic and transport planning

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studies that relate to the wider north

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parameter area not just the immediate

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light rail route this broader review by

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Transport New South Wales could consider

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matters such as recent planning controls

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changes in the North Parramatta area

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commencement of the Parramatta light rail

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any bus network changes provision of

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public and private car parking and the

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impact of PLR on street park in new

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stations consideration of any accident

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data and an assessment of modeled

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network performance act against actual

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network performances in smary council

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state government is asking us to do a

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lot of the heavy and the weight lift

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lifting of housing development and we

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definitely are meeting those targets

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we're actually exceeding those targets

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last year we're only one of two councils

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that met our targets this year I believe

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we're one of three that are currently on

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target to meet that target so I think it

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is well within our rem to ask the state

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government as part of their requirement

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of the DA into the PLR to do a report

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that that report is expanded to include

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the matters mentioned above to ensure

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that we are looking after the residents

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in our CBD and in our North Parramatta

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suburb before we approve thousands and

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thousands of additional dwellings which

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are only going to add to the current

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environment that we have from both the

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environment perspective but also from a

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road envirment environment so councils

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I'll put the motion before you councelor

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Ellard

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thank you Lord Mayor i'm more I'm more

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than happy to rise to second this motion

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anyone that lives in the North Parramatta

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precinct knows traffic has changed since

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the con construction of the light rail

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began traffic has changed everywhere

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we're now part of rat runs we've got

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cars traveling up and down Sorrel Street

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Brefield Street running the avoiding the

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traffic from Okonnell Street you can't

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go down  Church Street anymore coming

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coming in coming in from the City we've

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got limitations on how we get into North

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Parramatta down Victoria Road which is

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causing rat runs elsewhere we have rat

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runs down Parks Park at people going to

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Park Avenue Dundas to avoid Victoria

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Avenue getting Victoria Road getting

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onto North Parramatta it is a mess and we

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need the data i know that traffic's a

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problem i live on the corner of

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Brickfield and Fennel and I think six of

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the last eight weeks there has been a

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mobile speed camera on Brickfield Street

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between two roundabouts not even enough

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distance I would think to get to a speed

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where you're breaking the limit but

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they're clearly there and and they're

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clearly there and getting people fined

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otherwise they wouldn't be there so

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often the traffic has changed and we

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need the data so we can make appropriate

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and rational decisions about what

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development should look like move moving

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forward this is one of the key

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initiatives we need to start thinking

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about supporting initiatives like 

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NEPA which we'll discuss later on this

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evening and I  thoroughly endorse the

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motion to council thank you councelor we

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got councelor Daljuk  thank you Lord

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May  I also rise to commend your Lord

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Mel minute which  is absolutely 

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imperative  I I just have a question

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 within your minute how how far north

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are you planning to request the traffic

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study be undertaken and the reason I

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asked that is a lot of the  holdup is

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happening because of the intersection of

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James Ruth and Windsor Road which then

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slows that traffic to  North Rocks

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Road and that is an absolutely critical

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 intersection  so could I ask how

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far up so council it will go up to James

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R because that is the border of the

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North Parag precinct yes excellent thank

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you so much Lord Mayor  and  also 

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obviously then it makes it so difficult

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for people and I represent the area

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north of our LGA and it is just so hard

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for us to get into Parramatta  the

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traffic is atrocious  and and as a

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resident really there's nowhere to park

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for us  so I absolutely again commend

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you and I really really  encourage the

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chamber to get behind this Lord Mel

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minute thank you Lord Mayor councelor

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Riffle thank you Lord Mayor i'll be

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quick because I think I took up  a lot

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of the planning  standing committee's

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time   speaking on this particular

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issue  but  I do want to thank you

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for your Lord Mel minute and I also want

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to stress how important it is that the

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transport minister comes to the table

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i'd love to discuss other options with

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you should  minister Graham reject our

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very very fair  suggestion  but

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ultimately  perhaps a visit by the

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transport minister to the corner of

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church and  Gross Street would  be

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helpful for him because you and I know

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just how crazy school hours yes yes 

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but thank you for your advocacy and

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thank you for the initiative thank you

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councelor Councelor Pressive

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thank you Lord Mayor also I'd like to

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commend you for this but I'd like to

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know if you take an amendment which is

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paragraph seven which is the sentence

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just before the dot points that it say

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not could could consider such matters

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but should consider such matters

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i'm Yeah I was about to say I'm

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definitely more than happy to comment in

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my letter and to my office could we

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please use the words that we should

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rather than could agree he's being

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polite something like this and look

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forward to your advocacy to the minister

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as well thank you councelor councelor

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Grenwood

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thank you for the opportunity to speak

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 this is a matter very dear to my

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heart i've seen enormous proposals for

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large numbers of dwellings to go into

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this area and I know you already can't

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drive up Windsor Road in the afternoon

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and I don't know how these people are

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getting children home from school

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because it's unpassable so definitely

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support councelor Valjack's  call for

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it to  go all the way to James Roose

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Drive when I was doornocking during the

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election campaign people commented to me

00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:04.296
that they were getting rat running in

00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:05.976
Prince Street which I think is something

00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.456
that we haven't heard of before so

00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.216
they're actually trying to drive around

00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.376
the intersection that councelor Valjack

00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.296
referred to by going through the back

00:27:14.320 --> 00:27:17.320
streets rather than going on the highway

00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.640
 we also there's also bus lanes with

00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.255
no buses on it and bus laybacks that

00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.856
don't have buses stopping in them where

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:26.056
there could be parking for the

00:27:26.080 --> 00:27:29.080
businesses along Church Street so 

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thank you for the motion and please make

00:27:31.120 --> 00:27:32.616
sure all these things are considered

00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.456
thank you thank you councelor councelor

00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:36.376
Pendy

00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:39.135
thank you Lord Mir

00:27:39.159 --> 00:27:42.159
 I note that this is the motion that

00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:44.655
you have Lord Mary is for North

00:27:44.679 --> 00:27:47.679
Panama but there are issues on all the

00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.015
arterial road roads that leads to the CD

00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:54.039
there are issues in  and I I spoke

00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.240
with  Mardo just few weeks ago on this

00:27:57.600 --> 00:27:59.895
matter as well  I know you want to

00:27:59.919 --> 00:28:02.696
restrict this to North Parramatta in in 

00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:04.535
 there is a reason for that yes but I

00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.296
think you know I I will come back with a

00:28:06.320 --> 00:28:08.296
motion maybe in the next meeting that we

00:28:08.320 --> 00:28:09.576
should be looking at every single

00:28:09.600 --> 00:28:12.135
arterial road and if we go a bit north

00:28:12.159 --> 00:28:14.696
 towards Windsor road we go towards

00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.176
Great Western Highway a number of 

00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.200
these main roads are blocked  on peak

00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.895
hours if you look at Harris Park and I

00:28:23.919 --> 00:28:25.176
think we need to do something about it

00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.496
before we start putting more density 

00:28:27.520 --> 00:28:30.520
in the CBD if we and the suburbs as well

00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.440
 so I commend you for the motion  I

00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.775
think it's good  it is

00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.736
 can I also ask the relevant

00:28:40.760 --> 00:28:43.760
staff as part of our previous

00:28:44.600 --> 00:28:46.336
studies

00:28:46.360 --> 00:28:48.576
 have we

00:28:48.600 --> 00:28:50.655
identified

00:28:50.679 --> 00:28:53.679
what or what's in our long-term vision

00:28:53.760 --> 00:28:56.760
of   you know expanding our roads or

00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.816
having more bridges underpasses and so

00:29:01.840 --> 00:29:03.655
on is there something which we have

00:29:03.679 --> 00:29:05.375
looked

00:29:05.399 --> 00:29:08.375
at AC and this is you know just leading

00:29:08.399 --> 00:29:11.399
to all the roads leading to the

00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.960
CD go to  Mr colon go ahead through

00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.336
Lord Mayor as is indicated in the Lord

00:29:19.360 --> 00:29:20.856
Mel minute there have been a number of

00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.015
studies  many of those studies have

00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.039
been focused on  in on  looking at

00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.416
ways to get people into and out of the

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.440
CBD via public transport  and  and

00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.176
that has been the focus to date the

00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.255
council does have on its work program at

00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.655
the moment an integrated transport plan

00:29:39.679 --> 00:29:41.255
 that council is pursuing for the

00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.936
whole of the local government area and

00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.096
as part of that it is possible that 

00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:46.696
different modes can be considered as

00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.720
part of that review just read a bit

00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:52.696
followup question when can we expect

00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.416
that report to come to us at a briefing

00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:56.856
it would come to a briefing I'm assing

00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.655
first

00:29:59.679 --> 00:30:02.216
the integrated transport through Lord

00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.240
Mayor it is an extensive program  the

00:30:05.919 --> 00:30:07.976
 the completion date is expected to be

00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:11.000
in 2026 there will be  workshops and

00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:13.655
briefings  programmed as part of that

00:30:13.679 --> 00:30:15.496
but that not currently programmed at

00:30:15.520 --> 00:30:17.736
this point in time we'd expected to be

00:30:17.760 --> 00:30:19.176
talking to council in the second half of

00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:20.375
year but I can't give you anything more

00:30:20.399 --> 00:30:22.456
definitive than that

00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:24.535
thank you Lord Mayor  as I said you know

00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:27.559
it's  needless to say it's you know

00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:30.056
traffic on the street has direct impact

00:30:30.080 --> 00:30:31.976
on the quality of life of people you

00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.616
know we spend hours on on street  and

00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.775
I think as council we we can play an

00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.936
advocacy role but where we have to we

00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:40.976
have to ensure that we we build this

00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.736
infrastructure before the density comes

00:30:43.760 --> 00:30:46.456
in so the the minute is right you know

00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:49.480
 is is on the on is timely  that

00:30:49.840 --> 00:30:51.816
that we are putting this in but as I

00:30:51.840 --> 00:30:54.616
said our focus should be across  the

00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.640
CBD  and the LGS and the suburbs

00:30:58.320 --> 00:30:59.816
thanks councelor i I'll just respond

00:30:59.840 --> 00:31:02.056
briefly this is a very opportune time

00:31:02.080 --> 00:31:03.736
for this chamber to actually ask for

00:31:03.760 --> 00:31:06.760
this because it is a DA requirement of

00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:08.775
the government as part of the parameter

00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:10.856
light rail so they already have to

00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.816
provide us with a performance review and

00:31:13.840 --> 00:31:15.655
it's got to be done in consultation with

00:31:15.679 --> 00:31:18.056
us and transport for New South Wales so

00:31:18.080 --> 00:31:21.080
why not ask them to add the ex this

00:31:21.679 --> 00:31:23.576
wider area where we've been asked to put

00:31:23.600 --> 00:31:25.816
in their thousands of more dwellings so

00:31:25.840 --> 00:31:28.135
it just makes sense and hopefully the

00:31:28.159 --> 00:31:29.816
government and the minister do actually

00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:32.535
agree and  do support this chamber

00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.056
with no further speakers I'll put the

00:31:34.080 --> 00:31:35.535
motion all those in

00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.176
favor against

00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.200
unanimous the next motion  second to

00:31:41.919 --> 00:31:44.456
councelor Pande we won't hop on too much

00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.616
it's the  to congratulate the

00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:48.216
parameter staff and the counselors who

00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:49.895
participated in the Merryill Challenge

00:31:49.919 --> 00:31:51.655
cricket match against Cberland City

00:31:51.679 --> 00:31:54.679
Council on Saturday the 5th of April i

00:31:55.600 --> 00:31:58.600
 I left the match with a injury so you

00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:00.856
know I got to commend all the counselors

00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.655
it was counselor Jeffrey councelor

00:32:02.679 --> 00:32:05.679
Palomari counselor Ella counselor Pande

00:32:06.320 --> 00:32:09.320
and myself we also had Melissa Mill from

00:32:10.159 --> 00:32:11.416
 one of our staff members that played

00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:13.576
with us on the night on the on the night

00:32:13.600 --> 00:32:16.135
sorry and on the day sorry and other

00:32:16.159 --> 00:32:19.159
staff it was  enjoyable morning to say

00:32:19.679 --> 00:32:21.816
the least  also councelor Issa was

00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:23.576
there briefing with us in the morning as

00:32:23.600 --> 00:32:25.816
well so the main part is to obviously

00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:28.176
congratulate the winner who will remain

00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.200
nameless  but also for council to note

00:32:31.679 --> 00:32:34.616
that  we'll be donating $2,000 to the

00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.096
parameters women's shelter for the def

00:32:37.120 --> 00:32:39.816
DFV emergency housing in Cberland to

00:32:39.840 --> 00:32:41.456
be matched by the City of Cberland

00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.895
Council so with no further speakers I'll

00:32:43.919 --> 00:32:46.919
put the motion all those in favor i

00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.960
anyone against no carried next motion is

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.816
to for council to congratulate the City

00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:56.535
of Parramata staff second on their

00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:58.296
outstanding nationally recognized

00:32:58.320 --> 00:33:00.135
efforts in winning the following awards

00:33:00.159 --> 00:33:03.159
a City of Parramatta has been named a 2025

00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.440
HRD five-star employer of choice by HRD

00:33:07.120 --> 00:33:09.895
Australia and New Zealand nominating

00:33:09.919 --> 00:33:11.976
City of Parramatta as one of the best

00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.296
organizations public or private sector

00:33:14.320 --> 00:33:17.320
to work for in Australia and New Zealand

00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.375
and B Parramatta Square has won the Place

00:33:20.399 --> 00:33:23.015
Governance Award at the 2025 Place

00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.736
Leaders Asia-Pacific Awards recognizing

00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:27.255
Parramatta Square as one of the best

00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.015
managed public spaces in the

00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.039
Asia-Pacific region councelor French

00:33:34.159 --> 00:33:35.736
thank you Lord Mayor and thank you for

00:33:35.760 --> 00:33:38.216
this Lord Mel minute i want to

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:39.816
congratulate council on this

00:33:39.840 --> 00:33:42.216
acknowledgement of the organization as a

00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.240
five-star employer of choice as a former

00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.279
staff member myself of six years I

00:33:48.399 --> 00:33:50.856
personally had an incredibly positive

00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.576
experience working for council i

00:33:53.600 --> 00:33:55.096
particularly appreciated in the last

00:33:55.120 --> 00:33:57.535
couple of years the people first

00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.559
approach the strong sense of community

00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.616
and the many opportunities for career

00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.616
development and learning that I was

00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.640
afforded which potentially landed me

00:34:07.679 --> 00:34:08.976
here

00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.575
today once again I just want to say and

00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:13.256
reiterate the congratulations to the

00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:15.895
whole organization to all of the staff

00:34:15.919 --> 00:34:16.815
to the

00:34:16.839 --> 00:34:19.496
CEO on this wonderful acknowledgement

00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:21.256
thank you

00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.335
thank you council council voucher  I

00:34:23.359 --> 00:34:26.135
too rise to  thank you  Lord Mayor for

00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.895
this Lord Mel minute and more

00:34:27.919 --> 00:34:30.055
importantly to congratulate  our

00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.016
organization congratulations to the CEO

00:34:33.040 --> 00:34:35.496
to the staff  for all of the work and

00:34:35.520 --> 00:34:38.135
it's great to see your you're recognized

00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.216
 you know with with some of these top

00:34:40.240 --> 00:34:41.736
companies

00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:44.760
u you know seek a core it it's it's just

00:34:46.240 --> 00:34:49.240
an a wonderful accolade  and you know

00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.016
also note here in your Lord Merrill

00:34:51.040 --> 00:34:53.575
minute where  you know more and more

00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.575
people are choosing City of Parramatta as

00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:57.256
their next career choice you know we've

00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.216
had a 30% increase in job applications

00:35:00.240 --> 00:35:03.240
18,000 in 2024 and our turnover rate is

00:35:04.560 --> 00:35:07.560
sitting at 12% where  local government

00:35:07.680 --> 00:35:10.680
 industry sitting at 19 to 22% so  I

00:35:11.839 --> 00:35:13.416
also note that we're the only local

00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.136
government  that has been nominated

00:35:16.160 --> 00:35:18.456
for this award and it's testament to the

00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.536
great reputation out in the industry and

00:35:20.560 --> 00:35:22.936
and I will say I was at our local pub 

00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.256
for dinner a few night a few weeks ago

00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.280
and I actually had  the  owner come

00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:30.776
up to me and say "Oh  you know we've

00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:32.136
got a couple of people here that would

00:35:32.160 --> 00:35:34.055
love to come and work at City of Parramatta

00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.616
 we see the great stuff you do."  so

00:35:36.640 --> 00:35:38.296
I did tell them to send the rese into

00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.320
you Lenny so where is he  but again 

00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.216
thank you and well done welld deserved

00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:47.240
thank you councelor councelor Darling

00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.536
thank you Lord Mayor and it's wonderful

00:35:50.560 --> 00:35:53.016
to hear  particularly  councelor

00:35:53.040 --> 00:35:55.416
French's experience of of working at 

00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:58.440
council i I do  need to be to be frank

00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.335
and to say that I was actually 

00:36:01.359 --> 00:36:03.656
surprised when I I read this and and not

00:36:03.680 --> 00:36:05.016
because it's not something we're working

00:36:05.040 --> 00:36:07.095
towards but my understanding and the

00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:08.856
information that we'd received from from

00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.256
council staff over the last year is that

00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.280
we still had a way to go  in terms of

00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.136
being an employer of choice and when I

00:36:16.160 --> 00:36:18.055
look at  the information that's in the

00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.936
public domain that is around our staff

00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.176
engagement survey which currently sits

00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:26.200
at 50 out of 100  down from 55 i'm

00:36:27.359 --> 00:36:29.976
also referring to a notice of motion

00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.000
that we discussed last year around 

00:36:33.520 --> 00:36:36.055
reviewing investigating a new industrial

00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.696
instrent so we could actually improve

00:36:38.720 --> 00:36:40.616
the benefits and the and the employment

00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:42.536
conditions that we offer here at Parramatta

00:36:42.560 --> 00:36:45.335
so I absolutely support  I'm not

00:36:45.359 --> 00:36:47.335
standing here to to criticize i'm just

00:36:47.359 --> 00:36:49.496
standing here to say that I I thought we

00:36:49.520 --> 00:36:52.376
had a way to go  I understand that the

00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.400
process for  this award was to do a

00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:58.536
survey of of council staff i believe it

00:36:58.560 --> 00:37:00.856
was around a sample of about 12% of our

00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.496
permanent staff that completed  or

00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:05.496
that responded positively  to the

00:37:05.520 --> 00:37:07.656
survey for me I'm looking forward to

00:37:07.680 --> 00:37:10.136
seeing our staff survey our next annual

00:37:10.160 --> 00:37:11.976
staff survey and to see that increase

00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.856
and you know improvement in the  staff

00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.095
engagement through those results i want

00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:18.536
to make sure we're an employee of choice

00:37:18.560 --> 00:37:20.296
and an employer of choice for all of our

00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:22.136
staff and so I look forward to us

00:37:22.160 --> 00:37:24.055
continuing to implement the work that is

00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.216
outlined in our workplace management

00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:28.376
strategy and ensuring that we build on

00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.176
this  acknowledgement and  and to

00:37:31.200 --> 00:37:33.176
make sure that our City does continue to

00:37:33.200 --> 00:37:35.335
deliver we can only deliver by having a

00:37:35.359 --> 00:37:36.936
a workforce that absolutely feels

00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.016
supported and encouraged to work at

00:37:39.040 --> 00:37:41.176
their best  and this is definitely a

00:37:41.200 --> 00:37:42.536
step in the right direction thank you

00:37:42.560 --> 00:37:44.616
Lord Mayor

00:37:44.640 --> 00:37:47.640
thank you Council Pressive

00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:51.656
thank you Lord Mayor i've been embedded in

00:37:51.680 --> 00:37:53.896
this community for well over 40 years

00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:55.456
and in that

00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.480
time there's been

00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.296
some the community hasn't expected much

00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.320
of council staff at various points to

00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.656
the point where if you were any good

00:38:07.680 --> 00:38:09.176
well you probably wouldn't last very

00:38:09.200 --> 00:38:11.256
long and that was something that

00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:12.696
actually flowed through the community

00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:15.335
for a long period of time and since I've

00:38:15.359 --> 00:38:17.496
been on council I've seen that change

00:38:17.520 --> 00:38:20.520
and particularly since Gale has been our

00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.760
CEO our workforce has stabilized we've

00:38:24.359 --> 00:38:27.359
had so many people join our organization

00:38:29.680 --> 00:38:32.680
who have helped that make that happen

00:38:33.200 --> 00:38:35.575
we've moved into this new building which

00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.216
I know has had its challenges but people

00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:40.376
are making it work and I think the fact

00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.095
that they are making it work the fact

00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.119
that people we have a low rate of

00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:49.616
vacancies is a tribute

00:38:49.640 --> 00:38:52.335
to Miss Connley

00:38:52.359 --> 00:38:55.359
Gale and her staff and also to the way

00:38:57.720 --> 00:39:00.720
counselors now treat staff because my

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.776
experience is that is such an important

00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.800
aspect of keEpping good staff is for

00:39:08.720 --> 00:39:11.616
counselors to have respect for staff and

00:39:11.640 --> 00:39:14.640
I'm thrilled to say that the current

00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.960
crop of counselors seem to think that's

00:39:18.160 --> 00:39:21.160
a good thing so I want to congratulate

00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:23.416
everybody the staff the counselors

00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:26.055
everybody who makes this a great place

00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.079
to work because it's a collective

00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.575
approach it's not just one or two people

00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:33.976
who make it work we all make it work and

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.496
we all should be proud of the fact that

00:39:35.520 --> 00:39:38.520
we do thank you Lord thank you council

00:39:38.640 --> 00:39:41.640
all those in favor i anyone against no

00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:43.736
can I just make a comment i know we've

00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:45.416
deviated a little bit above the two for

00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.440
two against we do have a very big agenda

00:39:48.560 --> 00:39:50.136
and I just want to reiterate we're

00:39:50.160 --> 00:39:51.335
already an hour in and we haven't

00:39:51.359 --> 00:39:52.936
started the business papers yet so can

00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.960
we just be very aware of that guys cuz

00:39:56.560 --> 00:39:58.216
depending on how we go we may need to

00:39:58.240 --> 00:40:00.055
restrict speaking time as we have in the

00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:01.815
past to get through the agenda by

00:40:01.839 --> 00:40:04.839
tonight so just thought I will repeat 

00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.416
my position on that dr mayor can I 

00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:08.736
move

00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.575
a on indulgence if I may i think a

00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:12.856
number of people are here for the

00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:15.656
Armenian oh we already are no if we can

00:40:15.680 --> 00:40:17.016
move it forward a bit so it's a

00:40:17.040 --> 00:40:19.176
councelor vouch already asked you're a

00:40:19.200 --> 00:40:21.176
second i've already got councelor Ell's

00:40:21.200 --> 00:40:22.376
going to move a procedural motion to

00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.216
that point i've done that now no no

00:40:24.240 --> 00:40:25.416
we're going to wait till after the

00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:27.256
public for and the public for we've

00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:28.456
got wording to that we'll do that and

00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:29.896
that way you can all go home if you have

00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.856
to i'm sure they're enjoying our debate

00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:34.776
my last Lord Merrill for okay we'll

00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:36.296
speak quickly

00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:37.896
 you going to stay in the room council

00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.335
pending for this one you declare the

00:40:39.359 --> 00:40:42.136
conflict yeah

00:40:42.160 --> 00:40:44.856
I will step out thank you cool so the

00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:46.335
last M Lord

00:40:46.359 --> 00:40:49.359
Minute Councelor is a seconded the to

00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:51.575
donate $3,000 to the Western Sydney

00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.176
Corporate Charity Lunch in support of

00:40:53.200 --> 00:40:55.095
the event charity partners serving local

00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.496
communities the Salvation Army Kid West

00:40:57.520 --> 00:41:00.520
Foundation and the Reverend Bills Cruz

00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:04.079
Foundation all those in favor i anyone

00:41:04.160 --> 00:41:06.776
against no carried unanimously we will

00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.800
now move to the public for what I'll

00:41:10.319 --> 00:41:11.896
say is that there were six public for

00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:13.416
submissions received for this evening's

00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.416
council meeting three of which have been

00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.736
approved to address council all six

00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:19.016
written submissions have been published

00:41:19.040 --> 00:41:21.176
in the supplementary agenda i would like

00:41:21.200 --> 00:41:22.776
to remind each approved speaker that

00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.416
there is a 3minut time limit the first

00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.335
sound you hear indicates that you have

00:41:27.359 --> 00:41:30.216
one minute remaining at the second sound

00:41:30.240 --> 00:41:32.696
please conclude your comments i'll call

00:41:32.720 --> 00:41:35.720
on Shant Onassian to get up and please

00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.696
speak you'll be speaking in regards to

00:41:40.720 --> 00:41:43.720
report number nom 25-15 report title

00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.136
title recognition of the Armenian

00:41:46.160 --> 00:41:49.160
genocide go ahead thank you Lord Mayor

00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.280
 and  thank you Tanya for  putting

00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:56.119
this motion forward  so dear

00:41:56.319 --> 00:41:59.319
counselors  as some of you may know 

00:42:00.240 --> 00:42:03.136
I'm a proud Australian with Armenian

00:42:03.160 --> 00:42:06.160
background  I'm also a grandchild 

00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.095
of one of the victims of the first

00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.119
genocide of the 20 20th century and one

00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.960
of the most horrific crimes against

00:42:16.520 --> 00:42:19.016
hanity my grandfather witnessed his

00:42:19.040 --> 00:42:21.095
entire family slaughtered before his

00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.119
eyes at the age of four years

00:42:25.040 --> 00:42:28.040
he lost his family he grew up on a farm

00:42:29.040 --> 00:42:32.040
and then raised up was raised up in an

00:42:32.560 --> 00:42:34.095
orphanage in

00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.976
Lebanon the caretakers there were

00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:39.216
Australian and he played

00:42:39.240 --> 00:42:41.896
rugby he said to my grandmother

00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.920
"Australia is where we have to go as

00:42:45.200 --> 00:42:47.095
it's the lucky country everyone talks

00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.016
about."

00:42:49.040 --> 00:42:52.040
With limited money they arrived in

00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.815
Australia and settled in Sydney's

00:42:54.839 --> 00:42:57.839
Northshore my mother and father moved to

00:42:58.560 --> 00:43:01.016
and we have been residents of the City

00:43:01.040 --> 00:43:04.040
of Parramatta for more than 40

00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.376
years it would be the most incredible

00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.976
honor to see a remembrance for the

00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.000
Armenian genocide as more Armenians are

00:43:13.520 --> 00:43:16.520
coming to the City of Parramatta

00:43:17.160 --> 00:43:19.575
armenians are truly one of the most

00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.176
hble and

00:43:22.200 --> 00:43:25.200
hardworking people who love this

00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:28.295
country all hanity should never forget

00:43:28.319 --> 00:43:31.319
the atrocities of the past they must

00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.016
learn

00:43:34.040 --> 00:43:37.040
reflect and act on change and

00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:41.896
recognition thank you so much for taking

00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.616
the time for me to speak

00:43:44.640 --> 00:43:47.176
you'll make millions of Armenians happy

00:43:47.200 --> 00:43:50.200
around the world thank you so

00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.920
much thank you i'll now call on Miss

00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.760
Cheryl Bates OM to speak in regards to

00:43:59.839 --> 00:44:02.839
report number nom 2516 Parramatta

00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.880
Foundation Day event

00:44:12.240 --> 00:44:14.616
good evening  thank you for the

00:44:14.640 --> 00:44:16.216
opportunity to speak in support of

00:44:16.240 --> 00:44:18.696
councelor Darley's motion to hold

00:44:18.720 --> 00:44:21.720
Parramatta's foundation day event  at

00:44:22.720 --> 00:44:25.720
councilowned Hamilton Cottage in

00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.776
20125 i speak on behalf of Parramatta

00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.800
Heritage Partners a group established in

00:44:32.359 --> 00:44:34.936
2012 in response to council's

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.960
destination management plan the partners

00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:40.776
consist of local heritage operators and

00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.936
community

00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.456
organizations promoting heritage and

00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.480
heritage tourism in Parramatta and we meet

00:44:48.160 --> 00:44:50.736
every  second month at Hamilton

00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.760
Cottage hamilton Cottage built in 1824

00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:58.760
for John MacArthur is part of a heritage

00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.416
precinct that

00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.440
includes Elizabeth Farm

00:45:04.359 --> 00:45:07.359
1793 an experiment farm cottage

00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:10.776
1835 that's located on the first

00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.800
recorded land grant to James Roose in

00:45:15.319 --> 00:45:18.216
1792 all three buildings are situated

00:45:18.240 --> 00:45:20.815
within parkland

00:45:20.839 --> 00:45:23.736
settings and this Harris Park heritage

00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.136
precinct has been nominated for national

00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:28.815
heritage

00:45:28.839 --> 00:45:31.839
listing on November the 2nd in

00:45:33.319 --> 00:45:35.456
1788 colonists

00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.176
landed near the gas works

00:45:38.200 --> 00:45:41.200
bridge on the river was too shallow to

00:45:41.839 --> 00:45:44.839
continue to go further west this landing

00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.656
point near Hamilton Cottage and

00:45:47.680 --> 00:45:50.456
Experiment Farm was used over a lengthy

00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.176
period of time before river dredging

00:45:53.200 --> 00:45:56.200
allowed boats to sail further

00:45:56.839 --> 00:45:59.839
upstream we give five reasons why the

00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:03.696
2025 Foundation Day

00:46:03.720 --> 00:46:06.720
event could be held at Hamilton Cottage

00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.295
number one Hamilton Cottage is owned by

00:46:10.319 --> 00:46:12.376
the City of Parramatta Council and

00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.176
successfully managed as a house muse

00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:17.416
by parameter and district historical

00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.440
society volunteers since 1966

00:46:22.160 --> 00:46:24.295
hamilton cottage provides a highly

00:46:24.319 --> 00:46:27.256
significant heritage back backdrop and

00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.280
location and has a proven record to hold

00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.000
events as demonstrated at the

00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.599
2024 bsentenniary event the adjacent

00:46:38.720 --> 00:46:41.720
parkland offers a rural landscape

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.000
connecting Hamilton and Hamilton cottage

00:46:45.520 --> 00:46:47.496
and experiment farm that could be used

00:46:47.520 --> 00:46:49.736
for picnicking

00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.216
it provides a greater opportunity to

00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:54.456
engage with residents in this diverse

00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:56.776
neighborhood of the local government

00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:58.616
area

00:46:58.640 --> 00:47:01.640
oh yes sorry time's run out my time's

00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:04.536
run out sorry let me just refer you to

00:47:04.560 --> 00:47:06.856
the lovely picture that I gave you to

00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.880
show you where things are thank you we

00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.896
Thank you thank you Cheryl we will now

00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.920
move to the final speaker Josh Drayden

00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:18.119
in regards to item

00:47:18.200 --> 00:47:20.016
com225-6

00:47:20.040 --> 00:47:22.776
C25-6 Parramatta NL commercial partnership

00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.800
agreement year 1 evaluation report 25

00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:28.856
thank you Lord Mayor and counselors for

00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.176
the opportunity to speak in support of

00:47:31.200 --> 00:47:34.200
the EEL sponsorship report the Parameter

00:47:34.240 --> 00:47:36.216
Eels are proud to call this City our

00:47:36.240 --> 00:47:38.776
home we are the original and largest

00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:40.776
national sporting club in the City with

00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:42.976
a history dating back to

00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.896
1947 no other major national club in the

00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:48.295
City delivers what we do not just from a

00:47:48.319 --> 00:47:49.976
profile point of view but importantly

00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.536
the grass levels of our game we're the

00:47:52.560 --> 00:47:54.295
only national sporting organization in

00:47:54.319 --> 00:47:56.856
the City that directly funds administers

00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.176
and supports the full ecosystem of rugby

00:47:59.200 --> 00:48:01.416
league from junior players to elite

00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.496
athletes and all the different versions

00:48:03.520 --> 00:48:06.216
of the game that we love together with

00:48:06.240 --> 00:48:08.216
our parent organization Parramatta Lease

00:48:08.240 --> 00:48:10.216
Club we are one of the City's largest

00:48:10.240 --> 00:48:12.696
financial contributors to junior sport

00:48:12.720 --> 00:48:14.616
beyond rugby league our funding supports

00:48:14.640 --> 00:48:17.256
a broad cross-section of local sport

00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:18.936
including touch football physical

00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.335
culture cricket

00:48:20.359 --> 00:48:23.359
net disability sports the list goes on

00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:26.376
as this report shows the return on the

00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:27.896
investment for the City from just the

00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.095
first year of this partnership has been

00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.295
significant and we're confident that

00:48:32.319 --> 00:48:35.319
will only grow importantly prior to this

00:48:35.359 --> 00:48:37.016
partnership the majority of schools and

00:48:37.040 --> 00:48:38.936
community clinics within the Parramatta LGA

00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.016
were delivered by the NRL game

00:48:41.040 --> 00:48:42.936
development officers servicing multiple

00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.960
LGAs with limited resources while these

00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:48.616
programs carried EEL's branding they

00:48:48.640 --> 00:48:50.295
were not led or directly resourced by

00:48:50.319 --> 00:48:52.776
the club this partnership has changed

00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.800
that it's enabled our club to take the

00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:57.575
lead in developing and funding school

00:48:57.599 --> 00:48:59.176
and community programs for right here in

00:48:59.200 --> 00:49:01.335
Parramatta it's also allowed us to

00:49:01.359 --> 00:49:02.616
collaborate more directly with the

00:49:02.640 --> 00:49:05.176
council on key priorities like women's

00:49:05.200 --> 00:49:08.055
sport and multicultural inclusion we

00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:09.896
brought key major events back into the

00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.496
City helping enhance Paramount's

00:49:11.520 --> 00:49:13.256
reputation as a destination for major

00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.736
events the IL's brand and scale and

00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.136
reach can play a major role in helping

00:49:18.160 --> 00:49:19.976
achieve the City's overall strategic

00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.976
objectives

00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.256
finally I want to reflect on the

00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.256
importance of this relationship the Eels

00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:26.616
and the City of Parramatta have grown

00:49:26.640 --> 00:49:29.256
together on the national stage like all

00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.575
strong relationships we'll collaborate

00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:33.575
we'll challenge each other but what

00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:35.335
matters most is that we stay focused on

00:49:35.359 --> 00:49:37.575
what's best for the City and its people

00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.815
and we believe this partnership does

00:49:39.839 --> 00:49:42.696
exactly that i commend the report and

00:49:42.720 --> 00:49:44.136
thank you for the opportunity to speak

00:49:44.160 --> 00:49:47.160
for it thank you

00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.216
Josh councilors I understand that there

00:49:50.240 --> 00:49:52.535
are two petitions council vouch and

00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:53.976
councelor NG have petitions that they

00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.000
would like to table council vouch your

00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.800
first  thank you  Lord Mayor  I am

00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.295
presenting this petition on behalf of

00:50:16.319 --> 00:50:19.319
North Rocks residents and  from

00:50:19.680 --> 00:50:21.815
particularly from the coordinator Miss

00:50:21.839 --> 00:50:24.696
Heather Jun and I will just quickly run

00:50:24.720 --> 00:50:27.335
through the petition  which basically

00:50:27.359 --> 00:50:29.256
states as follows we the undersigned

00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.416
residents and concerned citizens of

00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.736
North Rocks and the Parramatta LGA are

00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:35.736
writing to express our deep concern

00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.896
regarding the dangerous conditions at

00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:39.976
the crosswalk located at North Rocks

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.535
Road and Pembry Avenue this crosswalk

00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.016
has proven to be a significant hazard

00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:47.016
and immediate action is required to

00:50:47.040 --> 00:50:49.095
prevent further accidents and ensure the

00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.119
safety of road  users  all of them

00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:54.936
including pedestrians i'll just quickly

00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:56.535
run through the headline i won't go into

00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.535
the detail which is there for counselors

00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.176
and on the public record  and their

00:51:01.200 --> 00:51:03.016
particular concerns relate to the school

00:51:03.040 --> 00:51:05.656
crossing the recent hit and run

00:51:05.680 --> 00:51:07.575
increased traffic due to service New

00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:09.976
South Wales speeding vehicles and

00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:13.000
limited visibility  they've given 

00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.295
requested actions that parameter council

00:51:16.319 --> 00:51:18.136
take the following actions to improve

00:51:18.160 --> 00:51:20.696
safety at this crosswalk install

00:51:20.720 --> 00:51:22.696
flashing lights enhance signage

00:51:22.720 --> 00:51:25.176
implement speed calming measures improve

00:51:25.200 --> 00:51:28.200
lighting and conduct a traffic study i

00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:29.936
would like to

00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.960
 present this on behalf of 

00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.016
residents and  request that the

00:51:35.040 --> 00:51:36.696
traffic committee consider the 

00:51:36.720 --> 00:51:39.720
requests from the community thank you

00:51:39.839 --> 00:51:42.839
tabled  we'll now move to councelor NG

00:51:44.720 --> 00:51:46.535
thank you Lord Mayor i've also received a

00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.776
petition  from concerned residents of

00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:51.016
Newington in relation to an additional

00:51:51.040 --> 00:51:53.656
pedestrian crossing  in Newington

00:51:53.680 --> 00:51:56.055
specifically  near 8th Avenue of the

00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:57.815
Americas  there's been a lot of

00:51:57.839 --> 00:51:59.496
concern about the vole of traffic

00:51:59.520 --> 00:52:02.055
especially that it is outside a a

00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.079
medical center  noting that it is

00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:07.575
opposite a car park the closest 

00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.599
crossing is around 50 m away and a lot

00:52:10.640 --> 00:52:13.016
of people do not cross there because it

00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:15.416
is it is not convenient i do want to

00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:18.440
read the petition  that the request is

00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:20.535
to address the need for a new pedestrian

00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.616
crossing between Newington Marketplace

00:52:22.640 --> 00:52:25.016
and 8th Avenue of the Americas i've

00:52:25.040 --> 00:52:27.815
received this petition from specifically

00:52:27.839 --> 00:52:30.616
from the  manager of the medical

00:52:30.640 --> 00:52:33.256
center and there are 500 signatures and

00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.856
I do request that this be considered at

00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.880
the traffic committee thank you thank

00:52:39.040 --> 00:52:42.040
you councelor i think I now have a

00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.176
procedural motion councelor Allard thank

00:52:45.200 --> 00:52:47.016
you Lord Mayor Lord Mayor in that in

00:52:47.040 --> 00:52:48.295
accordance with section 8 of the

00:52:48.319 --> 00:52:51.055
council's  meeting  code of meeting

00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:53.575
practice council resolves to amend the

00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:55.095
order of business to allow consideration

00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:57.575
of the below listed items of any

00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.599
business ahead of  ahead of any other

00:53:01.359 --> 00:53:04.359
business on the agenda that being

00:53:14.040 --> 00:53:16.376
com-cclu-5 recognition of the Armenian

00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.416
genocide and NOM

00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.440
25-16 Parramatta Foundation Day event

00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.480
okay do I second that procedure i second

00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:29.016
it i second it councelor Greenwood all

00:53:29.040 --> 00:53:31.216
those in favor i anyone against no

00:53:31.240 --> 00:53:34.240
carried  we'll now move to item com

00:53:37.160 --> 00:53:39.456
25-6

00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.896
C25-6 so have we got a mover and a

00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:44.295
second to that motion move that way move

00:53:44.319 --> 00:53:47.319
councelor Allard seconded councelor

00:53:48.359 --> 00:53:51.359
Raffoul all those in favor I anyone

00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.440
against no cool we'll now

00:53:56.359 --> 00:53:59.359
carried we'll now move to

00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:02.295
the Armenian genocide council rifle your

00:54:02.319 --> 00:54:05.319
nom

00:54:07.040 --> 00:54:09.496
yeah so just just to confirm the

00:54:09.520 --> 00:54:11.896
recording will just be of counselor RF

00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:14.920
thank you

00:54:15.680 --> 00:54:18.680
go ahead councelor thank you Lord

00:54:20.319 --> 00:54:23.319
thank you Lord Mayor council Isa

00:54:23.839 --> 00:54:26.839
I rise to speak on a council that weighs

00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.176
heavily on the hearts of many across our

00:54:29.200 --> 00:54:31.936
City and particularly within the Dundas

00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:34.960
ward most of us know about the Holocaust

00:54:35.520 --> 00:54:38.520
the word is etched into han memory but

00:54:38.720 --> 00:54:41.256
there is another atroCity the first

00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:43.416
generation the first genocide of the

00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.440
20th century that has too often been

00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.119
shrouded in silence between 1915 and

00:54:51.640 --> 00:54:54.640
1923 the Ottoman Empire carried out the

00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:57.960
systematic deportation torture

00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:01.079
starvation and extermination of 1.5

00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.456
million Armenians these were not

00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.095
casualties of war they were deliberate

00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:10.119
targets of an unspeakable crime

00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:13.416
at the same time over 1 million Greek

00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.216
and a and Assyrian men women and

00:55:16.240 --> 00:55:19.240
children were also murdered this

00:55:19.359 --> 00:55:21.815
genocide was carried out not only with

00:55:21.839 --> 00:55:24.839
weapons but with calculated cruelty

00:55:25.520 --> 00:55:28.256
death marches through the desert

00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.280
starvation beatings and mass

00:55:31.640 --> 00:55:34.640
execution families torn apart

00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.880
communities erased history almost buried

00:55:39.520 --> 00:55:42.376
and yet here we are almost a century

00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.400
later still forced to urge the world to

00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.575
acknowledge what to acknowledge what

00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.335
happened let me take a moment to share a

00:55:51.359 --> 00:55:54.359
quick story with you 110 years ago a

00:55:55.200 --> 00:55:58.200
young girl just 7 years old was forced

00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.055
from her home in the village of

00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:03.896
Schlu alongside many others she was

00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:06.920
driven into the Syrian desert on foot a

00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.599
brutal death m march lasting 31 days she

00:56:12.160 --> 00:56:14.456
watched as her grandmother died along

00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.480
the way with no time to mourn her family

00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.335
carried their loved ones body placed it

00:56:21.359 --> 00:56:23.815
under under the tree covered it with

00:56:23.839 --> 00:56:26.839
sand and moved on they kept walking

00:56:27.359 --> 00:56:30.359
fearing for their own life this girl

00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:33.400
eventually arrived in Lebanon battered

00:56:33.839 --> 00:56:36.839
and bruised but she survived her name

00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.440
was Araknaz Mika Ellean and she was my

00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:42.656
great

00:56:42.680 --> 00:56:45.680
grandmother her story is my story her

00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.295
survival is the reason I stand here

00:56:48.319 --> 00:56:51.176
tonight and her suffering like the

00:56:51.200 --> 00:56:54.200
suffering of so many others must never

00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.400
be denied distorted or forgotten because

00:56:58.720 --> 00:57:01.720
1.5 million Armenians didn't

00:57:02.200 --> 00:57:05.200
survive and 1 million Greeks and Syrians

00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:09.000
didn't survive they were starved beaten

00:57:09.839 --> 00:57:12.839
shot and buried in mass graves and the

00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.335
governments that perpetrated and

00:57:15.359 --> 00:57:18.359
inherited this genocide continue to deny

00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.920
it but where they deny we will remember

00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.280
where they try to erase we will preserve

00:57:26.720 --> 00:57:29.720
for every history book they burn we will

00:57:29.839 --> 00:57:32.839
write two more and every 24th of April

00:57:34.240 --> 00:57:37.240
we will reflect on the memories of the

00:57:37.319 --> 00:57:40.319
victims tonight I move that this council

00:57:40.640 --> 00:57:43.640
take a principled stand one that the

00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.775
council formally recognized the genocide

00:57:46.799 --> 00:57:49.799
of 1.5 million Armenians and over 1

00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:54.000
million Assyrian and Greek people by the

00:57:54.160 --> 00:57:57.160
Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1923 and

00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.335
condemned the genocide as the ultimate

00:58:01.359 --> 00:58:04.216
act of intolerance that we joined the

00:58:04.240 --> 00:58:06.535
Armenian community of Parramatta

00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.016
particularly within the Dundas ward in

00:58:09.040 --> 00:58:11.256
honoring the memory of the innocent

00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:13.256
lives that were lost

00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.815
that council endorsed the resolution

00:58:15.839 --> 00:58:18.295
passed by the New South Wales Parliament

00:58:18.319 --> 00:58:21.319
on the 17th of April 1997 recognizing

00:58:22.319 --> 00:58:24.656
the Armenian Assyrian and Greek

00:58:24.680 --> 00:58:27.095
genocides that we note the important

00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.055
work underway to erect a memorial plaque

00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.856
and hold a tree planting ceremony within

00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.880
the Dundas ward to our guest speakers

00:58:36.319 --> 00:58:39.016
our community members and all those who

00:58:39.040 --> 00:58:42.040
carry the pain in their hearts thank you

00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.400
your courage brings history into light

00:58:46.240 --> 00:58:49.016
if this motion passes tonight the City

00:58:49.040 --> 00:58:51.896
of Parramatta will join other councils in

00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.775
saying we will not look away the

00:58:54.799 --> 00:58:57.256
memories of those who par perished will

00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.280
live on in the hearts of Armenians

00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.559
Greeks and Assyrian around the world and

00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:06.055
from tonight they will live on in the

00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:09.079
heart of this City too tonight we speak

00:59:10.240 --> 00:59:13.240
tonight we remember tonight we stand in

00:59:14.160 --> 00:59:17.160
truth in sorrow and in honor thank you

00:59:25.040 --> 00:59:27.176
councelor Allah

00:59:27.200 --> 00:59:28.616
thank you Lord Mayor i always hate

00:59:28.640 --> 00:59:31.016
following  councelor Rafollo over an

00:59:31.040 --> 00:59:32.295
issue that she's passionate about

00:59:32.319 --> 00:59:33.815
because there is no way I can compete

00:59:33.839 --> 00:59:36.136
i'm not going to i want to start off by

00:59:36.160 --> 00:59:38.376
thanking those who have  put put

00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:41.400
forward   information for council i

00:59:41.520 --> 00:59:43.176
want to thank Shand sorry I cannot

00:59:43.200 --> 00:59:44.295
pronounce your senate name i'm not going

00:59:44.319 --> 00:59:46.535
to insult you by trying  for your

00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:48.456
speech and those who put written reports

00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:50.535
into council i like to thank I've

00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:51.575
received somewhere in the vicinity of

00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:53.176
about 30 emails from members of the

00:59:53.200 --> 00:59:56.200
Armenian community asking for support 

00:59:56.319 --> 00:59:58.136
you have my support you always have had

00:59:58.160 --> 00:59:59.775
my

00:59:59.799 --> 01:00:02.055
support one thing Shant said that was

01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:03.815
really really that really hit home for

01:00:03.839 --> 01:00:05.656
me as he was saying is that was one of

01:00:05.680 --> 01:00:08.216
the first genocides of the 20th century

01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:09.416
and when we look at what's happened in

01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:11.416
the 20th 20th century and the 21st

01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:13.416
century we just don't seem to be

01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:14.575
learning our

01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.599
lessons and it is is a shame it is

01:00:17.640 --> 01:00:20.535
shameful that we don't recognize these

01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.216
genocides when they occur and there

01:00:22.240 --> 01:00:23.815
genocides occurring right now and I want

01:00:23.839 --> 01:00:26.376
to acknowledge that as well but we need

01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.696
to remember our history we need to

01:00:28.720 --> 01:00:30.936
remember and protect those people who

01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:33.256
are vulnerable i want to pay tribute to

01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:35.335
councelor Raful i've supported her

01:00:35.359 --> 01:00:38.295
initiative  using a ward funding to

01:00:38.319 --> 01:00:39.896
ensure a memorial for the Armenian

01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:42.920
people  this is the sort of thing that

01:00:43.040 --> 01:00:45.815
we need to recognize these moments

01:00:45.839 --> 01:00:47.016
doesn't matter what culture we're

01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:47.896
talking about doesn't matter what

01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:50.456
genocide we're talking about every life

01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:53.016
lost in genocide is a tragedy is a han

01:00:53.040 --> 01:00:55.696
tragedy and it's a failure of the han

01:00:55.720 --> 01:00:57.976
condition labor pay has always been very

01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:59.256
strong on this i've been strong on this

01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.656
for quite a while i want to emphasize

01:01:01.680 --> 01:01:03.616
that that

01:01:03.640 --> 01:01:06.640
 we cannot we must do better as

01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:09.896
society we must do better as a as a as

01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:12.535
as earth as a world to learn those

01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:14.136
lessons and to stop these things from

01:01:14.160 --> 01:01:16.696
occurring so the memories of those 1.5

01:01:16.720 --> 01:01:18.295
million Armenians and those million

01:01:18.319 --> 01:01:20.936
Greeks and the Syrians and every other

01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.575
genocide that's that's preceded hasn't

01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:25.976
been in vain thank you so much councelor

01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:27.815
Folk for  bringing this to attention

01:01:27.839 --> 01:01:29.176
thank you to the audience for being here

01:01:29.200 --> 01:01:30.775
tonight for being part of this

01:01:30.799 --> 01:01:33.256
conversation thank you

01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:34.335
thank you

01:01:34.359 --> 01:01:37.359
councelor Council Valja  thank you i

01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:40.295
rise in support of councelor Raful's 

01:01:40.319 --> 01:01:42.936
notice of motion  and as she rightly

01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:45.960
said 2023 marked the centennial  of

01:01:46.160 --> 01:01:48.136
the ending of the last traces of

01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:51.160
Armenian civilization in Atlia  and

01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.335
Greeks and Assyrians particularly in

01:01:53.359 --> 01:01:56.359
Asia Minor  this has brought traa 

01:01:57.200 --> 01:01:59.896
for many descendants of of those who

01:01:59.920 --> 01:02:02.696
lost their lives in Shan  as you told

01:02:02.720 --> 01:02:05.720
us your story this evening  they

01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:08.856
suffered from a genocide which sadly I

01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:10.775
believe  was overlooked by the whole

01:02:10.799 --> 01:02:13.799
world  being of Greek heritage when we

01:02:14.640 --> 01:02:16.856
lose someone from our community  we

01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:19.880
say on Nimi may your memory be eternal

01:02:20.640 --> 01:02:23.256
and I believe councelor Raful's memorial

01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.496
 will indeed ensure that the memory of

01:02:25.520 --> 01:02:28.520
those that were persecuted will be

01:02:29.160 --> 01:02:32.160
eternally in memorial thank you thank

01:02:33.040 --> 01:02:35.095
you councelor i'll put the motion all

01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:38.119
those in favor i anyone against no

01:02:38.319 --> 01:02:41.319
carried unanimously

01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:50.280
yes we'll now move to councelor Darley

01:02:51.040 --> 01:02:53.176
your nom in regards to Parramatta

01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:55.496
Foundation Day event

01:02:55.520 --> 01:02:57.575
thank you very much oh no one's leaving

01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.335
that's good

01:03:00.359 --> 01:03:02.535
 I was waiting for the message i

01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:05.559
second it thank you  so thank you very

01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:09.559
much Cheryl for  for your public for

01:03:09.839 --> 01:03:11.575
and outlining the the value of us

01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.599
shifting  Parramatta Foundation Day to

01:03:14.720 --> 01:03:17.720
Hamilton College Cottage  based on the

01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:20.696
staff response originally I was asking

01:03:20.720 --> 01:03:23.720
for a feasibility report  however I'm

01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:25.496
going to change that now that we

01:03:25.520 --> 01:03:28.520
actually hold  the 2025 foundation day

01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:32.119
event at Hamilton Cottage  given the

01:03:32.240 --> 01:03:35.240
timing we need to move ahead  with the

01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.575
planning for that event i had thought

01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:39.176
that we may have already booked the site

01:03:39.200 --> 01:03:40.775
in North Parramatta and and therefore

01:03:40.799 --> 01:03:42.616
wanted to make sure  we didn't have

01:03:42.640 --> 01:03:44.456
commitments already i also wanted to

01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.456
make sure  that it wasn't going to

01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.775
cost us any more by shifting the event

01:03:48.799 --> 01:03:50.815
but given that the staff

01:03:50.839 --> 01:03:53.839
response I will now shift that  I'm

01:03:54.240 --> 01:03:56.376
going to you could take that further did

01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:58.535
you counsel want to just give the words

01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.376
to Yes sorry it's coming on the

01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:04.400
screen and leave the other one that was

01:04:04.799 --> 01:04:07.799
down below as well so take out that G

01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:12.440
so she's changing it council pro to not

01:04:12.720 --> 01:04:15.015
report but to actually have it there so

01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:17.896
what I'm doing is I'm I'm changing it to

01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.216
that we  hold the event this year we

01:04:20.240 --> 01:04:22.856
then get a report after that event  to

01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:24.775
look at whether we hold Parramatta

01:04:24.799 --> 01:04:27.015
Foundation Day at Hamilton Cottage on an

01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.039
ongoing basis yep take that one out yep

01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.256
and that further we congratulate Parramatta

01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:35.736
Heritage Partners on their new 

01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:37.736
explore Parramatta Heritage Flying Flags

01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:40.760
thank you  so for those that attended

01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:43.496
the 200y year anniversary event last

01:04:43.520 --> 01:04:45.976
year it was a fantastic day and it

01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:48.535
really showed how we can activate 

01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:51.559
that site in Harris Park  and as 

01:04:52.240 --> 01:04:55.240
Miss Bates said it is council land 

01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:57.815
significant heritage building and 

01:04:57.839 --> 01:05:00.216
site in our City and one that we do want

01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:01.896
to celebrate and we do want to have our

01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:04.696
residents come and visit so I hope to

01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:06.376
have  the chamber's support I believe

01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:08.616
that I do to to shift the event there

01:05:08.640 --> 01:05:11.416
for this year  I'm then asking we look

01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.496
 at how it went and review that and

01:05:13.520 --> 01:05:14.936
whether we continue to do that on an

01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:17.496
ongoing basis and again extend  I

01:05:17.520 --> 01:05:19.496
don't know if everyone's seen the flyers

01:05:19.520 --> 01:05:21.256
 they're fantastic they list all the

01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:23.416
key heritage buildings  in the Parramatta

01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:25.896
LGA with a QR code so that members of

01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:27.815
the public can look at the information

01:05:27.839 --> 01:05:30.535
online when those  facilities are open

01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:31.815
when they can go and actually look at

01:05:31.839 --> 01:05:33.736
the different muses  and there's a

01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:35.976
map there as well those flyers are

01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:39.000
available downstairs at 5 and then the

01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.575
flags indicate visually for people when

01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:43.015
they're going by these buildings when

01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:44.616
they're walking around our City that

01:05:44.640 --> 01:05:46.376
they can actually come in and see that

01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:49.176
history and experience  the heritage

01:05:49.200 --> 01:05:50.456
that we have and we had a lot of

01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:53.015
heritage in our City i think  the team

01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.416
did well to fit as much as possible on

01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:57.256
an A4 piece of paper but there is a lot

01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.736
more heritage in our City as well so

01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:01.775
again I just want to

01:06:01.799 --> 01:06:04.616
 thank the heritage partners for the

01:06:04.640 --> 01:06:05.896
work and the leadership that they've

01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:08.920
shown in this space  to bring so many

01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:11.335
 various organizations together but to

01:06:11.359 --> 01:06:13.015
work on that common goal has been great

01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.575
to see  and it means that our heritage

01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:17.896
is in safe hands in terms of being able

01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:20.055
to celebrate and also preserve that

01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:21.896
heritage going forward so thank you Lord

01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:24.616
Mayor i will speak but just very quickly

01:06:24.640 --> 01:06:27.640
councelor Gwood  I just wanted to add

01:06:28.799 --> 01:06:31.799
my support to everything that Kelly

01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.920
councelor Kelly has said and my support

01:06:35.200 --> 01:06:38.055
generally for heritage in par in Parramatta

01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.079
and ask that 

01:06:41.640 --> 01:06:44.640
we ask the Parramatta heritage partners we

01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:47.976
take we take a survey of them after to

01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.376
see how they think it went compared to

01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.775
Prem i'm sure council will be part of

01:06:52.799 --> 01:06:55.496
the report that we've asked fantastic so

01:06:55.520 --> 01:06:58.456
all those in favor I and one against no

01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:00.376
carried unanimously thank you councelor

01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.400
Kelly for that we'll now move back to

01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:04.736
the normal

01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:07.095
proceedings although before we do that

01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.896
do we have a procedural motion to deal

01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:12.256
with items by

01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.376
exception deputy Lord Mayor you've got an

01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.400
extensive list for me tonight no

01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:20.599
fantastic we don't we will then move on

01:07:21.359 --> 01:07:22.856
got now committee reports do we have a

01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:24.696
mover of the reports of the assets and

01:07:24.720 --> 01:07:27.720
infrastructure did we do a vote no no

01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:30.216
don't need to move back into it okay not

01:07:30.240 --> 01:07:32.936
a problem okay by exception all right 

01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:34.696
Lord Mayor I move the recommendations

01:07:34.720 --> 01:07:37.720
within item com 25.5 being the report of

01:07:38.160 --> 01:07:39.736
the assets and infrastructure committee

01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.760
meeting held on 17th of March 2025 that

01:07:43.359 --> 01:07:46.359
items AIC 25-6 to AIC 25-7 and item AIC

01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:50.896
con

01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:53.920
25.7 be adopted by council

01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:58.400
second council Jeffrey okay that oh so

01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:00.775
councelor Darling oh sorry do you want

01:08:00.799 --> 01:08:03.256
to talk or yeah I can I just cl you mind

01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:04.936
indulging me just reminding if I wanted

01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:07.960
to vote against an item do I need to

01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.456
pull it out

01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:11.496
you can just say you want to vote

01:08:11.520 --> 01:08:13.335
against an item That's what I'm just

01:08:13.359 --> 01:08:15.176
told council okay yeah so I want to vote

01:08:15.200 --> 01:08:18.200
against the first item okay cool so do

01:08:19.839 --> 01:08:22.295
we have the cold sack so do we have any

01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:25.056
other speakers know so I'll put the

01:08:25.080 --> 01:08:27.735
motion if you guys want to vote against

01:08:27.759 --> 01:08:30.295
against any of the items against just

01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.319
let us know otherwise I'll take your

01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:35.815
vote in favor of the report so all those

01:08:35.839 --> 01:08:37.536
in favor

01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.560
i the only is anyone against except for

01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:43.600
councelor Darley regards to a a 256 is

01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:48.376
there anyone against no other than that

01:08:48.400 --> 01:08:50.695
item all those in favor we already did

01:08:50.719 --> 01:08:53.719
the vote so carried

01:08:53.759 --> 01:08:55.655
confused what just happened so are we

01:08:55.679 --> 01:08:57.896
now debating that item separate no no

01:08:57.920 --> 01:08:59.416
we're just recording that she's voted

01:08:59.440 --> 01:09:02.376
against that item that's it i've got no

01:09:02.400 --> 01:09:05.400
issue with this item specifically i have

01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:07.096
an issue with

01:09:07.120 --> 01:09:10.120
the process so hypothetically we want to

01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:13.159
pull out one item you can to debate it

01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:15.655
there's only debate you just want to So

01:09:15.679 --> 01:09:17.896
do we need a So just for my exception

01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:19.416
you'd have to do we need a procedural

01:09:19.440 --> 01:09:22.440
motion to pull an item out to debate it

01:09:23.040 --> 01:09:25.655
or do we debate it on the motion moved

01:09:25.679 --> 01:09:27.896
by the chair of the subcommittee i'm

01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:30.695
just help

01:09:30.719 --> 01:09:33.255
so  I'll I'll let the CEO answer

01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:36.135
better than me go ahead Gail

01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:38.135
 Lord Mayor the chair of each

01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:39.896
committee moves the report if any

01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:42.920
council councelor wishes to pull out a

01:09:43.120 --> 01:09:45.096
particular item then they need to make

01:09:45.120 --> 01:09:48.120
that known before the entire agenda the

01:09:48.480 --> 01:09:50.856
report the minutes of that  committee

01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:52.616
meeting are carried in this particular

01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:55.175
instance councelor Darley  just wanted

01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:57.896
her vote recorded against AIC 256 but

01:09:57.920 --> 01:09:59.976
did not want to speak to it so  for

01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:02.215
example the next report will be moved

01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:04.296
for the customer cult customer community

01:10:04.320 --> 01:10:06.376
and culture committee council proceed

01:10:06.400 --> 01:10:08.536
will move the report of the committee

01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:10.215
one of those items has already been

01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:12.776
dealt with which is the parameter NRL

01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:14.695
partnership so council will just be

01:10:14.719 --> 01:10:17.016
asked to vote on that one item but all

01:10:17.040 --> 01:10:19.416
you need to do is stand up and call out

01:10:19.440 --> 01:10:21.816
an exception and it will be removed from

01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:23.416
the reported committee and then it'll be

01:10:23.440 --> 01:10:26.440
subsequently debated so when the chair

01:10:26.480 --> 01:10:28.215
is a separate item or as an amendment by

01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:30.056
exception by exception by exception so

01:10:30.080 --> 01:10:32.456
when the chairperson moves a report you

01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:33.976
could seek for one of the items in that

01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:35.896
report to be dealt with by exception

01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:37.496
yeah but does the does the chamber need

01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:40.520
to vote no being procedural

01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:45.576
sorry can I just clarify

01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:47.096
you said we've I didn't understand that

01:10:47.120 --> 01:10:48.776
we've already voted on the parameter yes

01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:50.776
so there was a motion councelor to move

01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:52.296
three items in regards to the three

01:10:52.320 --> 01:10:54.376
public fors we've already voted on the

01:10:54.400 --> 01:10:55.655
three items that were discussed at

01:10:55.679 --> 01:10:58.056
public for

01:10:58.080 --> 01:10:59.896
and I did ask twice if there's anyone

01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:02.920
against and no one spoke i didn't No I

01:11:03.280 --> 01:11:04.856
didn't hear that either i didn't realize

01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.655
that we were not we did and we voted on

01:11:07.679 --> 01:11:10.679
it and I did say it was unanimous

01:11:13.679 --> 01:11:16.256
we will now move

01:11:16.280 --> 01:11:19.280
to committee report in relation to

01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:21.896
customer community and cultural

01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:24.616
committee thank you Lord Mayor i move

01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:27.640
that the recommendations within item

01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:30.695
COOM25-6 being the report of the

01:11:30.719 --> 01:11:32.456
customer community and culture committee

01:11:32.480 --> 01:11:35.480
meeting held on the 17th of March 2025

01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:39.560
and that item CC triple C255 and triple

01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:44.239
C256 be adopted by council seconded yeah

01:11:45.440 --> 01:11:47.336
256 has already been dealt with says

01:11:47.360 --> 01:11:50.175
just 255

01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:53.199
councelor all right anyone council Isa

01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:56.776
thank you Lord Mayor  can someone please

01:11:56.800 --> 01:11:59.175
remind me where the Yara Community

01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:02.199
Center is is it in Melbourne

01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.695
 can I  through me

01:12:05.719 --> 01:12:08.719
to someone who's going to take them can

01:12:09.040 --> 01:12:11.655
I respond to that so you came to my

01:12:11.679 --> 01:12:13.816
committee who's the question director to

01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:15.416
councelor oh through you to the relevant

01:12:15.440 --> 01:12:18.416
staff member Lord

01:12:18.440 --> 01:12:21.416
 through me to the sea

01:12:21.440 --> 01:12:24.440
Lord Mayor the name  Yara has been 

01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:26.856
surveyed and my understanding is that

01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.336
that has come out as the preferred name

01:12:29.360 --> 01:12:31.655
by the community however it's at

01:12:31.679 --> 01:12:33.655
council's discretion whether it wants to

01:12:33.679 --> 01:12:36.679
proceed with that name or any other name

01:12:36.719 --> 01:12:39.496
so just for my clarity Lord Mayor can you

01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:41.016
through you to the relevant staff member

01:12:41.040 --> 01:12:42.695
how many people answered the survey what

01:12:42.719 --> 01:12:44.536
percentage selected this name above

01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:47.560
another one throw me to Mr greg

01:12:51.040 --> 01:12:53.256
i don't know

01:12:53.280 --> 01:12:55.175
so it wasn't in Melbourne is that right

01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.199
no it's not i believe it's in the LGF

01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:00.456
parameter

01:13:00.480 --> 01:13:02.896
Lord Mayor it's actually a dar

01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:05.920
word language word

01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:11.199
john got the floor

01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:15.640
thank you Lord Mayor  there were 129

01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:19.816
responses to the community survey  and

01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:22.840
from memory it was 55% in favor of Yara

01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:27.239
25% in favor of Euro Road Community

01:13:27.360 --> 01:13:29.336
Center and 20% did not support either

01:13:29.360 --> 01:13:31.896
option right so what did we do with all

01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:33.816
the names that the community suggested

01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:35.896
did we survey did we put those up for

01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:38.920
the community to vote on

01:13:39.120 --> 01:13:40.376
through you Lord Mayor there was an

01:13:40.400 --> 01:13:42.616
option for the community to present

01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.576
alternative names  there were from

01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:48.296
memory only a very small number present

01:13:48.320 --> 01:13:50.776
 recommended  none of which were

01:13:50.800 --> 01:13:53.416
considered to have  any merit  I

01:13:53.440 --> 01:13:55.655
think the most one was Parramatta Community

01:13:55.679 --> 01:13:57.896
Center  and I can't remember  any

01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.920
others but there were substantial merit

01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:03.936
in Melbourne so let me understand the

01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.296
process we go out to the community we

01:14:06.320 --> 01:14:08.856
ask them for their opinion some of the

01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:10.456
community members say these are a list

01:14:10.480 --> 01:14:13.096
of names that you could consider we take

01:14:13.120 --> 01:14:16.120
those list of names put them aside and

01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:18.296
then say out of these two which do you

01:14:18.320 --> 01:14:21.320
prefer

01:14:22.320 --> 01:14:25.320


01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:28.215
through you Lord Mayor through the officer

01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:30.616
through you thank you Lord Mayor  so to

01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.640
take a step back  the process which 

01:14:34.080 --> 01:14:35.816
I think previously had come to council

01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:38.840
was  there were two names 

01:14:39.120 --> 01:14:42.120
identified through  a considerable 

01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:45.800
research process led by both council

01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:48.776
officers to look at the local heritage

01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:50.616
 which came up with one option which

01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.856
is URG road which relates to  a

01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:54.856
previous worker at the meat processing

01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:57.016
factory and then we also engaged a first

01:14:57.040 --> 01:15:00.040
nations  consultant who surveyed the

01:15:00.080 --> 01:15:02.776
DAR community which came out with the

01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:05.655
Yara recommendation  those two names

01:15:05.679 --> 01:15:08.679
were then put up to  the community

01:15:09.040 --> 01:15:11.496
along with the option  of an

01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:14.520
alternative  like I said there was 55%

01:15:15.040 --> 01:15:18.040
support for Yara  and very few

01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:20.936
alternative options provided so how many

01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:22.456
Lord Mayor through you how many times did

01:15:22.480 --> 01:15:24.695
we ask the multicultural community 

01:15:24.719 --> 01:15:26.135
like we asked the first nations

01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:28.536
community for their recommendations 

01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:31.175
through me to the relevant officer 

01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:34.199
through you Lord Mayor  so in I think

01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:36.536
this question like multicultural New

01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:39.096
South Wales yeah the local multicultural

01:15:39.120 --> 01:15:42.120
groups  any any number of like how

01:15:42.400 --> 01:15:44.616
many times did we asked them so through

01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:47.336
you Lord Mayor  I think  we've been

01:15:47.360 --> 01:15:49.016
asked this question previously in the

01:15:49.040 --> 01:15:51.336
chamber and the answer that provided was

01:15:51.360 --> 01:15:53.976
that because there is no existing

01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:56.456
community in that area which was

01:15:56.480 --> 01:15:59.480
previously largely an industrial area 

01:15:59.679 --> 01:16:02.679
there wasn't an existing community to 

01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.576
consult in order  to bring forward a

01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:07.576
name  as is being suggested so

01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.096
Multicultural New South Wales didn't

01:16:09.120 --> 01:16:11.936
exist at the time  is what I'm hearing

01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:14.960
 at the same time Lord Mayor  how

01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:18.520
many times did the 15 counselors whether

01:16:18.719 --> 01:16:20.856
it be these ones or previous be asked

01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:23.880
their opinion on a name  and given the

01:16:24.080 --> 01:16:26.135
same respect that we're giving the 

01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:29.159
First Nations community

01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:34.760
I throw you because I wasn't

01:16:35.280 --> 01:16:38.215
through you Lord Mayor   I'm casting

01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:41.239
my mind back  but  my recollection

01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:44.856
is that a briefing note was prepared for

01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:47.880
all counselors  to  explain the

01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:51.560
process  and also invite comment on

01:16:51.679 --> 01:16:53.976
the process right so we're asked to

01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:55.416
comment on the process but not to

01:16:55.440 --> 01:16:58.440
provide an alternate name or our view on

01:16:59.360 --> 01:17:01.576
I'm just thank you for councelor proive

01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:04.600
 I know you  advocate for staff like

01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:07.096
you're one of them but you're not

01:17:07.120 --> 01:17:09.816
actually I'm asking through the Lord Mayor

01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:12.215
i'm asking through the Lord Mayor i'm

01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:13.976
asking through the Lord Mayor to the

01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:15.496
relevant staff

01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.016
i know you act like it but you're not

01:17:17.040 --> 01:17:18.695
actually a staff point of order Lord

01:17:18.719 --> 01:17:21.719
Mayor but I was there point of order yep

01:17:22.400 --> 01:17:23.896
what's the point of order council 

01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.776
that slandering other councils is not

01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.936
part of the code i wasn't slandering no

01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:30.056
it was a reverse council you were

01:17:30.080 --> 01:17:32.976
copying it  council for you

01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:35.256
to say you have a further question for

01:17:35.280 --> 01:17:37.976
coun for Mr g yeah how many times were

01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.776
counselors asked on their opinion of the

01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:42.175
two not on the

01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:45.199
process on the names themselves or to

01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:48.056
provide an alternate name like was

01:17:48.080 --> 01:17:50.135
councelorsa ever asked what do you think

01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:52.695
the name should be rather than what do

01:17:52.719 --> 01:17:54.456
you think the process what do you think

01:17:54.480 --> 01:17:56.856
of the process i'm only the ward

01:17:56.880 --> 01:17:58.456
counselor i've only been elected but

01:17:58.480 --> 01:18:00.856
yeah my opinion surely doesn't matter

01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:03.096
through you Lord Mayor the staff member

01:18:03.120 --> 01:18:06.120
how many times were councilors asked of

01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:08.856
for an alternate name because I've read

01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:11.880
the briefing note as recently as today

01:18:12.080 --> 01:18:15.080
through me  Mr g thank you Lord Mayor

01:18:16.159 --> 01:18:19.159
 so via the briefing note  I think

01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:21.655
 councilors were offered the

01:18:21.679 --> 01:18:23.736
opportunity to comment on both the

01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:26.215
process and also to suggest alternative

01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:29.016
names if they felt minded to do so  I

01:18:29.040 --> 01:18:31.016
also understand that there were ward

01:18:31.040 --> 01:18:33.576
briefings where the process was also

01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:36.336
discussed as

01:18:36.360 --> 01:18:39.336
well i was in I don't think I missed the

01:18:39.360 --> 01:18:42.360
ward briefing  did I miss one

01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:45.816
oh what a coincidence it must have been

01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.840
that one so Lord Mayor I'm I'm not

01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.856
supportive of 255 and not because I

01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:55.880
don't like the word Yara but for me if I

01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:58.376
told my family I'm going to the Yara

01:18:58.400 --> 01:18:59.496
community center they're going to asse

01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.520
I'm in Melbourne it's not synonymous

01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:04.776
with Sydney Olympic Park it's not

01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:07.655
synonymous with the City of Parramatta it's

01:19:07.679 --> 01:19:10.679
not synonymous with the Rose Hill Ward

01:19:10.719 --> 01:19:13.096
people are just going to asse the Yara

01:19:13.120 --> 01:19:16.120
Community Center is on the Yara River in

01:19:16.679 --> 01:19:18.936
Melbourne i've got I've got a problem

01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:21.736
with that this is in Sydney Olympic Park

01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:24.056
it is going to be in the most highly

01:19:24.080 --> 01:19:27.080
dense  densely populated parts of our

01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:30.600
electorate and now we've got a name that

01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:34.360
just about half supported and I don't

01:19:35.040 --> 01:19:36.536
even know what the sample size is but

01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:39.175
let's not get into that debate

01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:42.056
120 i think it was 120 129 that

01:19:42.080 --> 01:19:45.080
responded 129 that responded there's

01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:47.416
probably 129 people in the building that

01:19:47.440 --> 01:19:50.440
is next door to this  1,500 well there

01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:54.920
you go you know less than less than 10%

01:19:55.679 --> 01:19:58.679
yeah of that building so Lord Mayor I'm I

01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:02.440
want to defer this to explore another

01:20:03.040 --> 01:20:06.040
way to ask questions outside of only

01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:08.135
going to the First Nations community

01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:09.896
i've got no issue i don't think Yara is

01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:12.536
the right name personally  do we go to

01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:14.776
multicultural New South Wales do we go

01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:16.536
to the migrant resource center as an

01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:18.616
example what are other ways we can

01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:20.376
engage a diverse community that

01:20:20.400 --> 01:20:22.856
represent parameter rather than the way

01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:24.376
we've been traditionally viewing it for

01:20:24.400 --> 01:20:26.936
the last two and a half years

01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:29.960
thank you council councelor  councelor

01:20:30.320 --> 01:20:31.816
Press

01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:33.736
thank you Lord Mayor Lord Mayor just to be

01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:34.736
clear I'm

01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:37.760
moving yeah okay Lord Mayor so do we have

01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.000
a secondary of that council Raffoul we'll

01:20:41.280 --> 01:20:44.175
now debate the

01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:46.456
amendment deferral we can't keep

01:20:46.480 --> 01:20:49.480
deferring things because

01:20:49.679 --> 01:20:51.655
we don't like the look of them and they

01:20:51.679 --> 01:20:54.536
were decided not for the last meeting

01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.175
the last council we were consulted

01:20:57.199 --> 01:20:59.096
widely on this we actually were

01:20:59.120 --> 01:21:02.016
consulted on the street names we were

01:21:02.040 --> 01:21:05.040
consulted on and we act we changed some

01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.175
of them because it used to be an

01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:11.175
abattoire and really you really needed

01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:14.199
names that didn't reflect the previous

01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:16.296
usage of the site because the people

01:21:16.320 --> 01:21:19.320
that live there do not want to be living

01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:23.016
somewhere where the previous usage of

01:21:23.040 --> 01:21:25.296
the site which was an abattoire is

01:21:25.320 --> 01:21:28.320
reflected and the URG is actually the I

01:21:29.120 --> 01:21:30.215
think he was the director of the

01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:31.816
abattoire or something like it but

01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:34.736
anyway we were widely

01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:37.760
consulted we did give our

01:21:38.120 --> 01:21:40.776
opinion the the people that moved in

01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:43.800
there now are happy living there they

01:21:44.320 --> 01:21:46.695
love living there in the same way that

01:21:46.719 --> 01:21:49.016
we chose five which had no relevant to

01:21:49.040 --> 01:21:51.976
this site councelor I voted against that

01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:53.576
one too i thought it was absurd and I

01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:56.296
still do being part of the Darag

01:21:56.320 --> 01:21:58.416
language does have relevance to that

01:21:58.440 --> 01:22:01.440
site and I believe that we just cannot

01:22:03.040 --> 01:22:06.040
keep chasing our tails looking for a

01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:09.920
name that suits us this this name has

01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:13.880
been chosen because people voted for it

01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:16.056
we we actually I had two options an

01:22:16.080 --> 01:22:18.936
avatar we have she could be hurting

01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:21.736
silence sorry we had surveys that

01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:24.536
happened over in Uington for parking

01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.560
where we actually peed back a whole

01:22:28.400 --> 01:22:31.400
thing because there was half a percent i

01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:35.000
mean you've got to at some point you've

01:22:35.120 --> 01:22:37.576
got to make a decision and this is a

01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:40.600
decision that was made so why can't we

01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:43.880
just get on with it instead of rehashing

01:22:44.480 --> 01:22:47.480
and hashing the same old stuff because

01:22:48.159 --> 01:22:51.159
it doesn't suit us

01:22:55.440 --> 01:22:58.215
 council mlan thank you Lord Mayor and

01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:01.239
look I I echo council pro sentiments i

01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:03.655
mean I find it amazing you know of all

01:23:03.679 --> 01:23:05.016
the items that are on the agenda tonight

01:23:05.040 --> 01:23:06.615
that so far this is the one we've spent

01:23:06.639 --> 01:23:09.639
some of the most time talking about i

01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:12.215
mean as for this argent that you know

01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:14.695
yara is indicative of Melbourne i mean

01:23:14.719 --> 01:23:16.615
you know that is a weak argent if we

01:23:16.639 --> 01:23:18.376
ever did hear one i mean I live in Epping

01:23:18.400 --> 01:23:20.056
and we've got you know Cambridge Street

01:23:20.080 --> 01:23:21.736
and Oxford here but I don't think I'm in

01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:23.416
the the north of England i mean I just

01:23:23.440 --> 01:23:25.655
don't I don't think just because a word

01:23:25.679 --> 01:23:27.496
is indicative of a somewhere somewhere

01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:29.416
else that it's somehow not indicative of

01:23:29.440 --> 01:23:31.736
the local area clearly it is it's been

01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:34.056
it's evidently got a dar connection and

01:23:34.080 --> 01:23:35.175
we shouldn't be sitting around talking

01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:36.856
about this i mean this is nothing more

01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:38.536
than a hobby horse for some people we

01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:40.695
need to get on with actual important

01:23:40.719 --> 01:23:42.296
council business and I think the longer

01:23:42.320 --> 01:23:43.816
we spend on this the greater a

01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:45.175
disservice we're doing to the community

01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:47.416
the decisions being made in the numbers

01:23:47.440 --> 01:23:50.135
 I think we just get on with it thanks

01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:51.896
mate

01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:53.816
thanks for your input deputy Lord Mayor 

01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:56.536
councelor NG Lord Mayor I just want to

01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:57.976
make a note that this this community

01:23:58.000 --> 01:23:59.816
center will be open hopefully later this

01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:02.135
year  we we received a briefing note

01:24:02.159 --> 01:24:04.215
at the end of last year i did email both

01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:06.536
councelor Prosive and councelor Isa

01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:08.936
about an alter an alternative name which

01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:10.695
you know probably wasn't such a good

01:24:10.719 --> 01:24:12.536
choice after some some background but I

01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:13.576
do want to say that you know whether

01:24:13.600 --> 01:24:15.655
this I agree or not we have policies

01:24:15.679 --> 01:24:17.416
regarding  you know how we name

01:24:17.440 --> 01:24:20.440
centers or parks you know for example we

01:24:20.480 --> 01:24:23.480
had the foreshore  park re  named

01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:26.135
you know it was a similar process I

01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:28.695
think you know the community has spoken

01:24:28.719 --> 01:24:30.456
there isn't an existing community there

01:24:30.480 --> 01:24:32.856
I think it is you know it is important

01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:34.695
that we do acknowledge  our

01:24:34.719 --> 01:24:36.536
traditional owners  they they do have

01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:38.615
a long connection and I think it is it

01:24:38.639 --> 01:24:40.695
is important that our council respects

01:24:40.719 --> 01:24:42.936
them and also I do hopefully put on the

01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:44.856
record that you know we we we get this

01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:47.416
done  and and I hope everyone in the

01:24:47.440 --> 01:24:49.655
cham can support this question law m

01:24:49.679 --> 01:24:52.135
through you to the relevant officer yes

01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.695
we've had 242 against the motion before

01:24:54.719 --> 01:24:56.215
thank you counselor i've got a question

01:24:56.239 --> 01:24:58.536
and I was on my feet procedural motion

01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:00.695
on the basis of you he was on his feet

01:25:00.719 --> 01:25:02.056
first i'll hear the question and I'm

01:25:02.080 --> 01:25:03.496
happy to take the procedural motion

01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:04.936
thank you councelor Greenwood and we

01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:07.256
haven't had two speakers for this is an

01:25:07.280 --> 01:25:08.296
amendment we're speaking to the

01:25:08.320 --> 01:25:11.320
amendment we've only had one speaker for

01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:13.576
Yeah and that's an amendment which

01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:15.736
allows two speakers four he was four we

01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:17.496
haven't had a second speaker four so I

01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:18.776
can't accept a procedural motion

01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:20.856
nonetheless well just a question to the

01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:23.016
relevant staff members  I'm glad

01:25:23.040 --> 01:25:24.776
councelor NG brought up his alternate

01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:27.496
name proposal in his email  did we ask

01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:29.096
this did we ask the residents about his

01:25:29.120 --> 01:25:31.736
alternate name

01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:34.760
 through me to Mr gray

01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:40.536
 sorry through you Lord Mayor  was

01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:43.560
the question  were the community able

01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:47.239
to suggest alternative meth forward to

01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:49.536
look let me paraphrase clarify the

01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:52.536
question so a moment earlier you said

01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:54.296
that we've got an ability through the

01:25:54.320 --> 01:25:56.615
briefing note and through the ward

01:25:56.639 --> 01:25:58.695
briefing to suggest alternate names

01:25:58.719 --> 01:26:01.719
through the process yes and and the

01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:03.496
community could do that councelor NG's

01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:05.416
put a suggested name through an email to

01:26:05.440 --> 01:26:07.175
the staff members not to staff just to

01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:09.336
the counselors boy counselors and and to

01:26:09.360 --> 01:26:12.135
and it would have gone to the

01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:13.976
the the meeting that I wasn't at

01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:15.576
apparently

01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:17.816
in any case so did did that name get

01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:20.615
asked of  the community no cuz I

01:26:20.639 --> 01:26:22.215
didn't get your response and then and

01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:23.976
then and then I did further research and

01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:25.496
I I determined that that wasn't an

01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:27.976
appropriate name media so are you in her

01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:29.655
team do you report to her in the staff

01:26:29.679 --> 01:26:31.655
structure

01:26:31.679 --> 01:26:34.175
how it works so

01:26:34.199 --> 01:26:37.016
I' council do you report to councelor

01:26:37.040 --> 01:26:39.336
pro there's no more debate on this hold

01:26:39.360 --> 01:26:41.056
on guys

01:26:41.080 --> 01:26:44.080
order is no the answer the question the

01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:45.896
question to your So the answer to your

01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:47.736
question it was never put to the staff

01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:49.896
so there's no question of the staff on

01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:52.296
Okay my because councelor confirmed he

01:26:52.320 --> 01:26:54.456
didn't share it with the staff oh you

01:26:54.480 --> 01:26:55.816
didn't share it with the staff no I

01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:57.336
shared it with you but I never got a

01:26:57.360 --> 01:26:59.256
response and you and and because I

01:26:59.280 --> 01:27:01.016
didn't give you my concurrence it didn't

01:27:01.040 --> 01:27:02.936
go up i'm not giving you my concurrency

01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:05.960
why is this one going up

01:27:06.080 --> 01:27:08.215
so councilors we've now had two against

01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:11.239
one for this for the amendment

01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:13.096
we've only had two speak against the

01:27:13.120 --> 01:27:16.120
amendment

01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:19.175
okay we have MLAN did speak so do you

01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:21.096
want to speak for I'm asking the

01:27:21.120 --> 01:27:24.056
amendment go ahead counselor

01:27:24.080 --> 01:27:27.080
through you Lord Mayor  if this was to

01:27:27.679 --> 01:27:29.896
be delayed by a month would it mean that

01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:32.615
we would not have a name by the opening

01:27:32.639 --> 01:27:35.639
of this  facility a three minute Mr g

01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:39.159
question

01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:42.376
thank you  through you Lord Mayor 

01:27:42.400 --> 01:27:44.776
the answer to that would be depend would

01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:47.800
depend when a name was resolved but a

01:27:48.159 --> 01:27:51.159
month delay would be acceptable

01:27:52.800 --> 01:27:54.936
 I've got a procedural motion from

01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:56.856
councelor Grenwood for the motion to be

01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:59.880
put

01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.135
we've had two

01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:04.856
we've only had one for anyone

01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:06.536
anyway we've already had three against I

01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:09.560
have a question yes counselor if if this

01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.376
was deferred and this is a question

01:28:12.400 --> 01:28:15.400
through you to Mr g

01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:17.256
it would need to go back to the

01:28:17.280 --> 01:28:19.016
community we would need another

01:28:19.040 --> 01:28:22.040
consultation no then what what's the

01:28:22.320 --> 01:28:24.376
point go back you the ward council can

01:28:24.400 --> 01:28:25.496
have a discussion and make a

01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:26.695
recommendation and if that's what they

01:28:26.719 --> 01:28:28.615
want to do then they can go back so it

01:28:28.639 --> 01:28:31.175
doesn't matter what the community thinks

01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:33.816
they want the you want council wants the

01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:35.576
three ward counselors to make a decision

01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:38.256
council you were elected by the

01:28:38.280 --> 01:28:40.456
community and thousands of voters we

01:28:40.480 --> 01:28:41.856
would

01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:44.880
like now wants the three ward counselors

01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:48.560
decide the community point she's putting

01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:50.856
words in my mouth i don't appreciate it

01:28:50.880 --> 01:28:52.695
i'll speak enough for everybody  I

01:28:52.719 --> 01:28:55.096
don't need Cross here to talk on my

01:28:55.120 --> 01:28:58.120
behalf  I didn't say I want the three

01:28:58.320 --> 01:29:01.320
ward counselors to agree what I said was

01:29:01.440 --> 01:29:03.816
councelor NG didn't put it up because he

01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:05.816
didn't have my concurrence it was your

01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:07.096
side who said you needed the three

01:29:07.120 --> 01:29:09.496
council it's not me i certainly didn't

01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:12.296
all right so councilors please both of

01:29:12.320 --> 01:29:13.896
you sit down or I'll get on my feet and

01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:14.936
I'll make you sit down i've got a

01:29:14.960 --> 01:29:17.016
question that's council i've got a

01:29:17.040 --> 01:29:18.296
procedural motion the motion to be

01:29:18.320 --> 01:29:20.615
pulled all those in favor of the

01:29:20.639 --> 01:29:23.256
amendment Lord Mayor what are we going

01:29:23.280 --> 01:29:26.280
to do next are we going to have more

01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:28.135
consultation

01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:30.536
councelor Isa could you be more specific

01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:32.135
with what you're deferring with what

01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:35.159
intention and for when Lord Mayor  for

01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:37.336
the record my intention would be to

01:29:37.360 --> 01:29:39.016
review the policy that doesn't exist to

01:29:39.040 --> 01:29:40.776
naming buildings oh we don't have that

01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:42.456
and that'll delay the naming of the park

01:29:42.480 --> 01:29:44.056
so we can't do that so do you wish to

01:29:44.080 --> 01:29:46.615
withdraw your 

01:29:46.639 --> 01:29:48.776
but could you could you allow with with

01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:51.800
my with your indulgence defer to when

01:29:52.600 --> 01:29:54.936
for interested counselors and ward

01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:57.960
counselors to work  with the staff

01:29:58.159 --> 01:30:00.376
interested counselors and ward coun if

01:30:00.400 --> 01:30:01.336
you're not interested you don't have to

01:30:01.360 --> 01:30:04.360
come  to work with the staff to work

01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:06.776
with the to come back at what time

01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:08.456
counselor

01:30:08.480 --> 01:30:10.856
two weeks Lord me so it comes back to

01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:12.856
the next council meeting

01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:15.736
next week in May so two weeks to work

01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:17.416
with the staff but it comes because then

01:30:17.440 --> 01:30:19.256
there's a cut off for the next 

01:30:19.280 --> 01:30:22.280
meeting to the May meeting in council

01:30:22.400 --> 01:30:24.376
okay i have another question then lord

01:30:24.400 --> 01:30:27.400
May council your question am I to

01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.056
understand that what we're doing is

01:30:30.080 --> 01:30:33.080
we're deferring this motion so that

01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:36.520
interested counselors and in and w

01:30:37.040 --> 01:30:39.096
counselors and ward counselors whoever

01:30:39.120 --> 01:30:42.120
wishes to turn up can make a decision

01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:44.615
that is contrary to the one the

01:30:44.639 --> 01:30:46.376
community has already made so councelor

01:30:46.400 --> 01:30:47.736
I had lunch last week with the minister

01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:49.416
for local government and we had this

01:30:49.440 --> 01:30:52.135
great discussion about this exact point

01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:54.296
that's and and and counselor what was

01:30:54.320 --> 01:30:56.215
raised by the minister is that

01:30:56.239 --> 01:30:57.736
councilors have had their powers

01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:00.760
diminished ultimately we as a chamber we

01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:02.695
are elected by tens of thousands of

01:31:02.719 --> 01:31:05.016
people and if we make decisions and the

01:31:05.040 --> 01:31:06.536
people are not happy with our decisions

01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:08.456
they have the power to vote us out so

01:31:08.480 --> 01:31:11.096
councelor to your point it's great we

01:31:11.120 --> 01:31:12.615
have gone out we have gotten

01:31:12.639 --> 01:31:14.376
consultation with the community but

01:31:14.400 --> 01:31:16.536
ultimately it is the people elected in

01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:18.615
this chair in this chamber that make

01:31:18.639 --> 01:31:20.936
those decisions and if they wish to go

01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:23.655
contrary to what the community has said

01:31:23.679 --> 01:31:25.896
that is on them not saying I'll support

01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:27.776
it but it is on them to make that

01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:30.456
decision so with no further speakers oh

01:31:30.480 --> 01:31:32.376
councel panda you for we've already had

01:31:32.400 --> 01:31:34.536
two against are you for the deferral

01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:37.560
question go ahead council

01:31:38.000 --> 01:31:40.856
 do we have a policy and I I hear no

01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:42.215
we don't but we don't have a policy

01:31:42.239 --> 01:31:44.776
isn't it on naming anything in the LGA

01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:46.856
so whether it's a precinct whether it's

01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:48.936
a sports ground or anything do we have a

01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:51.016
policy

01:31:51.040 --> 01:31:54.040
 through me to re officer John another

01:31:54.960 --> 01:31:57.960
crack

01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:00.936
 through you l u we don't have a

01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:02.936
policy on the naming of buildings

01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:05.456
specifically so can

01:32:05.480 --> 01:32:08.480
I understand what the process is then so

01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:10.056
who comes up with the short list which

01:32:10.080 --> 01:32:12.856
goes out to the community start to you

01:32:12.880 --> 01:32:15.256
John thank you through you Lord Mayor so

01:32:15.280 --> 01:32:18.056
in the past   councelor pande

01:32:18.080 --> 01:32:20.536
there's been a number there hasn't been

01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:22.936
any consistency  in the process that

01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:25.960
councelor that council has applied  so

01:32:26.400 --> 01:32:28.056
if you cast your mind back to the

01:32:28.080 --> 01:32:30.936
processes that were used for five  and

01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:33.736
pack went point for example never had a

01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:36.456
new name  so the absence of a policy

01:32:36.480 --> 01:32:39.336
has led to significant inconsistency

01:32:39.360 --> 01:32:41.736
what we have been here is tried to

01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:43.896
follow the policy that we do have for

01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:46.056
the naming of roads which involves going

01:32:46.080 --> 01:32:47.896
out to the community and seeking

01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:50.776
community   input and consultation

01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:52.215
so that was the process that was

01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:53.816
followed here  and I would suggest

01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:56.536
that's good practice so I would suggest

01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:58.856
that we should prioritize this so that

01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:00.615
we can save these debates in the chamber

01:33:00.639 --> 01:33:03.639
that  we have the policy you know done

01:33:05.360 --> 01:33:07.816
i think I I I would move in fact I I

01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:09.736
can't move in fact but to the CEO

01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:11.175
probably we should have this in the next

01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:13.256
prioritize this and have this as soon as

01:33:13.280 --> 01:33:16.280
possible  so that we can start I

01:33:16.320 --> 01:33:17.576
believe councelor is is going to move a

01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:19.175
notice of motion for this exact matter

01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:20.296
for the next meeting is that right

01:33:20.320 --> 01:33:23.320
councelor yes and last last question

01:33:24.320 --> 01:33:26.536
mayor when are we scheduled to open the

01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:29.560
center end of the year end of the year

01:33:31.040 --> 01:33:33.736
that's we have some time council is a if

01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:36.215
you wish you could add a further Lord

01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:37.655
Mayor you're a genius that's a great

01:33:37.679 --> 01:33:40.679
idea rather than wait another month

01:33:41.360 --> 01:33:43.655
that we  make further amendments to my

01:33:43.679 --> 01:33:46.679
amendment yes that says that a pol the a

01:33:46.719 --> 01:33:49.175
new policy comes back to the chamber how

01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:52.199
long do you go for consideration

01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:55.239
by June by June that's why ask the CEO

01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.856
if that's achievable

01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:01.336
maybe we should ask John

01:34:01.360 --> 01:34:02.695
is that achievable i I want to make sure

01:34:02.719 --> 01:34:05.496
the staff can achieve that through me to

01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:08.215
the sea patricia is your team okay with

01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:11.239
it first Lord Mayor there is two possible

01:34:11.280 --> 01:34:14.135
options for council you can take your

01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:17.159
time and  formulate a draft policy in

01:34:17.360 --> 01:34:19.496
consultation with the staff  you can

01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:21.336
also authorize the preparation of an

01:34:21.360 --> 01:34:23.976
interim procedure which would put in

01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:25.736
place a set of rules until such time as

01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:27.256
the policy exists i suggest that you

01:34:27.280 --> 01:34:29.576
consider both courses of action there is

01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:31.416
a sense of urgency with this community

01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:33.896
center because we will be open soon so I

01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.920
suggest we  adopt an interim procedure

01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:38.296
which does not require a council

01:34:38.320 --> 01:34:40.536
resolution and that would be followed by

01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.496
a more wholesome policy for the naming

01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:46.520
of buildings

01:34:48.639 --> 01:34:51.639
okay i think I've got a question

01:34:53.040 --> 01:34:56.040
 yes councelor Jeffrey  I through

01:34:56.400 --> 01:34:59.336
you Lord Mayor I'm aware that   some

01:34:59.360 --> 01:35:02.360
staff in  George's team are actually

01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.816
compiling a strategy at the moment could

01:35:05.840 --> 01:35:06.655
I

01:35:06.679 --> 01:35:09.679
ask where that is up to given that we

01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:12.456
are already drafting a strategy on

01:35:12.480 --> 01:35:15.480
naming facilities

01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:18.600
throw me to Mr boness

01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:22.760
me I'll take it on notice

01:35:23.280 --> 01:35:25.736
i'm just council sorry I was just going

01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:28.215
to comment no may this is two different

01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:30.056
motions you can't These are two

01:35:30.080 --> 01:35:33.080
different things in one motion

01:35:34.400 --> 01:35:36.135
they might be related but they're two

01:35:36.159 --> 01:35:38.056
different things they relate to the

01:35:38.080 --> 01:35:39.615
matter on the agenda

01:35:39.639 --> 01:35:42.135
councelor Council D sorry I was just

01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:43.416
going to make Manning's point i've

01:35:43.440 --> 01:35:45.336
spoken to Mr sorson and he said their

01:35:45.360 --> 01:35:47.655
team's currently working on a policy 

01:35:47.679 --> 01:35:50.056
so hopefully it's it can come to us by

01:35:50.080 --> 01:35:51.816
June and so it's it's achievable in

01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:54.840
other words I recall 20 minutes ago 

01:35:55.920 --> 01:35:57.496
someone asking that the motion be put i

01:35:57.520 --> 01:35:59.736
was wondering if we can get back to that

01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:01.096
council we still haven't had a second

01:36:01.120 --> 01:36:03.175
person speak in favor so I can't accept

01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:05.816
the procedure but the good news is we

01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:07.096
have no further speakers if councelor

01:36:07.120 --> 01:36:09.496
Penny turns off his microphone i will

01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:12.520
now put the amendment

01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:16.936
what so I will now put the amendment

01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:18.776
moved by councelor is seconded by

01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:21.800
councelor Raf all those in favor of the

01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:24.536
amendment i show of hands just to

01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:27.016
clarify

01:36:27.040 --> 01:36:30.040
show of hands

01:36:33.040 --> 01:36:34.776
i have a couple of questions which I did

01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:36.376
not want to ask but I'm not happy to

01:36:36.400 --> 01:36:39.400
defer it okay

01:36:41.120 --> 01:36:44.120
those against

01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:48.920
okay  amendment

01:36:52.400 --> 01:36:54.856
I voted already four

01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:57.880
no Shiny if you if you abstain

01:36:58.320 --> 01:37:00.615
it counts as I I just want to clarify

01:37:00.639 --> 01:37:03.175
why I want to defer it lord there's no

01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:05.736
there's no need to clarify

01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:07.896
no it's 87

01:37:07.920 --> 01:37:10.920
it's failed so council sir did you vote

01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:13.416
for or against you voted for the

01:37:13.440 --> 01:37:16.376
amendment against so motion failed

01:37:16.400 --> 01:37:18.615
amendment failed sorry so I will now put

01:37:18.639 --> 01:37:20.175
the original

01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:22.776
motion so all in favor of the original

01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:24.856
motion moved by can I see the screen who

01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:27.376
moved the original

01:37:27.400 --> 01:37:30.400
one councelor Pro second council

01:37:31.320 --> 01:37:34.320
Palomari all put the motion all those in

01:37:34.400 --> 01:37:36.936
favor of the motion

01:37:36.960 --> 01:37:39.960
show of hands

01:37:41.320 --> 01:37:44.320
against okay motion carried

01:37:44.719 --> 01:37:47.719
we'll now move on to

01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:49.336
planning transport and environment

01:37:49.360 --> 01:37:50.856
report for planning transport and

01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:52.376
environment committee meeting councelor

01:37:52.400 --> 01:37:55.400
Issa

01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:00.536
Lord Mayor I move recommendations within

01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:03.256
item COM 257 being the report of the

01:38:03.280 --> 01:38:04.615
planning transport and environment

01:38:04.639 --> 01:38:06.376
committee meeting held on the 24th of

01:38:06.400 --> 01:38:09.400
March 2025 that items PTE 258

01:38:12.040 --> 01:38:14.695
2510 be adopted by council as there is

01:38:14.719 --> 01:38:17.496
no recommendation in respect to item 

01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:19.736
PTE 257 post exhibition planning

01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:21.736
proposal for northeast planning

01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:24.135
investigation area and draft development

01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:25.816
control plan amendments this report must

01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:27.736
be debated and voted on separately

01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:29.655
moderator I do have a question but 

01:38:29.679 --> 01:38:32.679
I'll allow debate second of the motion

01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:35.256
second second councelor Grenald so do I

01:38:35.280 --> 01:38:37.576
take it then that with 257 that will be

01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:40.600
dealt with by exception correct 20 

01:38:41.440 --> 01:38:43.655
sorry so  do you want to ask a

01:38:43.679 --> 01:38:46.679
question now Council Lisa  we're 29

01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:50.119
259 as well and 10 need to come out

01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:55.000
cool so we just voted on

01:38:55.080 --> 01:38:58.080
258 council is a question

01:38:59.440 --> 01:39:00.776
yeah I've got a question first you're

01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:03.736
right  Lord Mayor through that 

01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:06.296
meeting I did ask and I just need

01:39:06.320 --> 01:39:09.320
clarification oh yeah  on the

01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:12.920
recording of projects in the depot 

01:39:13.280 --> 01:39:15.816
where we

01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:18.695
I got to find the right words to say

01:39:18.719 --> 01:39:20.736
tactfully where we

01:39:20.760 --> 01:39:23.760
effectively change  the rag status of

01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:28.199
a project based on a change in date lord

01:39:30.320 --> 01:39:32.695
May so I had through that process the

01:39:32.719 --> 01:39:35.719
CEO  tell us that the the way we

01:39:37.119 --> 01:39:38.615
report on changes in date and the

01:39:38.639 --> 01:39:40.056
original date and changes in date and

01:39:40.080 --> 01:39:41.576
the rag status and how it's reflected

01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:44.135
subsequently  will change can I just

01:39:44.159 --> 01:39:45.976
confirm that that's going to be

01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:48.456
practiced  going forward with further

01:39:48.480 --> 01:39:50.615
depot reports so councelor considering

01:39:50.639 --> 01:39:52.056
that we've taken this matter by

01:39:52.080 --> 01:39:54.776
exception we're not speaking to it the

01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:57.576
only matter before us now is 258

01:39:57.600 --> 01:39:59.175
consideration of the letter of offer for

01:39:59.199 --> 01:40:01.416
a draft in planning agreement for land

01:40:01.440 --> 01:40:04.440
at your answer me to move 17.7 of the

01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:06.296
code of meeting practice i think it is

01:40:06.320 --> 01:40:08.536
eight cuz this is the only there's the

01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:10.376
other three items were removed out by

01:40:10.400 --> 01:40:12.056
exception

01:40:12.080 --> 01:40:13.496
but it hasn't been voted on Lord miss

01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:15.416
I'm allowed to ask a question unless

01:40:15.440 --> 01:40:16.856
it's been voted on and it hasn't been

01:40:16.880 --> 01:40:18.215
voted on so I can ask a question but

01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:19.655
it's been dealt it's been removed to be

01:40:19.679 --> 01:40:21.576
dealt with by exception so we will

01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:24.600
debate it separately is my point so at

01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:27.336
the moment the only the only matter in

01:40:27.360 --> 01:40:29.655
the report of your committee that we are

01:40:29.679 --> 01:40:32.056
voting on that hasn't been taken out by

01:40:32.080 --> 01:40:34.936
exception is 258 so let's vote on that

01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:36.936
and then we'll move to seven nine and

01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:38.936
then you can speak at item 10 cuz that's

01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:40.416
your question unless item

01:40:40.440 --> 01:40:43.440
10 so do we have any debate in regards

01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:46.536
to item 258 if not I'll put that to a

01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:48.456
vote and councelor Veljek has stepped

01:40:48.480 --> 01:40:49.736
out cuz you declared a conflict of

01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:51.896
interest on that matter so all those in

01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:54.496
favor of the report only for

01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:57.520
258 all those in favor I anyone against

01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:01.095
no so that's carried unanimously we'll

01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:03.496
now move to someone's going to have to

01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:06.456
move 257

01:41:06.480 --> 01:41:09.256
councelor Allard seconded now can we

01:41:09.280 --> 01:41:11.095
just if you got your microphone on you

01:41:11.119 --> 01:41:13.655
not speaking just turn it off

01:41:13.679 --> 01:41:16.679
thank you turn it off Samir

01:41:18.400 --> 01:41:21.175
thank you not in the queue that's join

01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:23.336
the queue council yeah we have to we

01:41:23.360 --> 01:41:26.360
have we are in the queue so 257 is the

01:41:26.480 --> 01:41:29.175
 northeast ping investigation area

01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:32.199
npia  I'd like to move that

01:41:34.840 --> 01:41:37.840
  given the  that council approved

01:41:38.360 --> 01:41:40.736
finalization following following the

01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:43.016
northeast planning investigation area

01:41:43.040 --> 01:41:45.416
one planning proposal as attachment one

01:41:45.440 --> 01:41:47.976
that details that seeks the following

01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:50.655
changes to the parameter LEP

01:41:50.679 --> 01:41:53.679
2023 I increase the maxim floor space

01:41:55.040 --> 01:41:56.576
ratio from

01:41:56.600 --> 01:41:59.600
0.8.1 to a range of between 2.1 and 3.6

01:42:00.280 --> 01:42:03.016
6.1 to increase maxim height in

01:42:03.040 --> 01:42:05.576
building from 11 m to range of between

01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:08.600
24 and 40 approximately 6 to 12 stories

01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:12.520
to the supporting draft DCP amendments

01:42:13.199 --> 01:42:16.199
at attachment two b council note the

01:42:16.400 --> 01:42:18.135
plan the parameter local planning

01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:19.816
panel's advice to council referring

01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:22.215
attachment three is consistent with

01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:23.976
council offic's recommendation for the

01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:26.615
report c council delegate authority of

01:42:26.639 --> 01:42:29.639
the CEO to make any minor amendments and

01:42:29.679 --> 01:42:31.615
corrections of a non-policy

01:42:31.639 --> 01:42:34.056
administration that may arise during the

01:42:34.080 --> 01:42:36.695
planning final finalization process

01:42:36.719 --> 01:42:38.456
relating to the planning proposal at

01:42:38.480 --> 01:42:41.480
draft DCP d that the planning the

01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:43.655
department of planning housing and

01:42:43.679 --> 01:42:45.496
infrastructure be advised of the Lord

01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:47.896
May minute endorsed earlier this evening

01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:49.655
requesting a traffic study to be

01:42:49.679 --> 01:42:51.896
undertaken for the precinct by par

01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:53.976
transport for New South Wales that and

01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:55.536
that

01:42:55.560 --> 01:42:58.560
DPHI be requested to consider the

01:42:58.639 --> 01:43:01.016
findings of these of this study when

01:43:01.040 --> 01:43:02.936
considering future proposals or

01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:04.655
applications for development in North

01:43:04.679 --> 01:43:07.679
Parramatta and E that all submissions that

01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:11.016
all submission authors be advised of the

01:43:11.040 --> 01:43:13.736
request requests made by the council to

01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:15.736
the state government for a detailed

01:43:15.760 --> 01:43:18.135
traffic study to be undertaken to

01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:20.856
address the traffic and parking issues

01:43:20.880 --> 01:43:23.256
concerned rais concerns raised in their

01:43:23.280 --> 01:43:25.976
submission

01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:29.000
thank you councelor  what seconded

01:43:29.440 --> 01:43:30.856
already by council is there anything

01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:33.016
else you'd like to add  very briefly

01:43:33.040 --> 01:43:35.095
this  what we saw with the law min

01:43:35.119 --> 01:43:36.896
today and thank you again for producing

01:43:36.920 --> 01:43:39.920
that helps to quell some of the 

01:43:40.080 --> 01:43:42.615
debate some about the impact of traffic

01:43:42.639 --> 01:43:44.615
and the impact of parking on an already

01:43:44.639 --> 01:43:47.639
congested area  this has given us with

01:43:48.080 --> 01:43:50.296
some confidence that we can move ahead

01:43:50.320 --> 01:43:52.695
with the  with this prop with the

01:43:52.719 --> 01:43:55.175
nepia at this point in time thank you

01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:57.576
councelor Pandy sorry I actually believe

01:43:57.600 --> 01:43:59.496
councelor Grimwood has an amendment not

01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:01.936
on this matter

01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:03.856
council

01:44:03.880 --> 01:44:06.615
Handy on this matter councelor Gwood

01:44:06.639 --> 01:44:09.175
thank you thank you Lord Mayor i'd like

01:44:09.199 --> 01:44:10.856
to move an amendment to the motion

01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:13.880
that's on the floor

01:44:15.639 --> 01:44:18.639
 yes I have it  so the amendment is

01:44:19.360 --> 01:44:21.095
that

01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:23.336
 the planning proposal that attachment

01:44:23.360 --> 01:44:26.360
one amendment subject

01:44:26.760 --> 01:44:29.760
to the proposed in a I I below seek the

01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:35.880
following changes and then in a I'd like

01:44:36.719 --> 01:44:39.719
it to be the increase in maxim floor

01:44:39.920 --> 01:44:42.920
space ratio to be between two and 3 to

01:44:45.400 --> 01:44:48.400
one and the new section Question I I the

01:44:49.600 --> 01:44:52.215
controls for site for consolidation site

01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:55.239
7 23 to 27 Harold Street be amended to

01:44:56.080 --> 01:44:59.080
decrease the FSR from 3.6 to 3.1 with a

01:45:00.719 --> 01:45:02.536
commensurate decrease in the maxim

01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:05.560
building height from 40 m to 34 m

01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:13.760
y do I need a second for that well C

01:45:14.320 --> 01:45:16.296
councelor before you do that can I just

01:45:16.320 --> 01:45:18.936
ask for staff because the the property

01:45:18.960 --> 01:45:21.960
you've referred to we are not the ones

01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:23.976
that are looking at it it's with the

01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:27.000
state government so I don't think we can

01:45:27.920 --> 01:45:30.776
move this motion

01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:33.800
can I just ask  Rob please

01:45:36.400 --> 01:45:38.695
through you Lord Mayor the the site that

01:45:38.719 --> 01:45:40.296
is the subject to the amendment is the

01:45:40.320 --> 01:45:42.456
is subject to a separate sight specific

01:45:42.480 --> 01:45:44.135
planning proposal that sight specific

01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:46.135
planning proposal is being considered

01:45:46.159 --> 01:45:48.056
separately by the department of planning

01:45:48.080 --> 01:45:50.215
so it's not a matter that in my view

01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:51.816
that they could the council can't make

01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:53.175
this decision council could make this

01:45:53.199 --> 01:45:55.416
decision and make and make a request to

01:45:55.440 --> 01:45:57.416
the department that they consider the

01:45:57.440 --> 01:46:00.440
same outcome for their PP  in terms of

01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:03.095
the process so it's not a matter of not

01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:06.119
being able to  it's a matter of  it

01:46:06.159 --> 01:46:07.655
is really a matter that the that the

01:46:07.679 --> 01:46:09.655
final outcome will be determined by the

01:46:09.679 --> 01:46:10.936
department of planning rather than

01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:13.960
council

01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:17.256
yeah okay fair enough so may I speak to

01:46:17.280 --> 01:46:20.280
the amendment yeah yep second

01:46:21.360 --> 01:46:24.360
oh I thought with no second are you

01:46:24.480 --> 01:46:26.936
accepting it okay council Isa is he

01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:29.376
accepting it

01:46:29.400 --> 01:46:32.400
accepting to change the zoning of a

01:46:32.960 --> 01:46:35.496
sight specific plan proposal that the

01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:36.856
state government's considering on the

01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:39.095
floor of this chamber that's absurd no

01:46:39.119 --> 01:46:42.119
I'm not accepting that

01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:43.816
might you call for a second for my

01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:45.816
amendment

01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:47.496
it's been accepted it's been accepted

01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:50.520
but we need a new second for the motion

01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:55.920
but through you Lord M can I ask if the

01:46:56.400 --> 01:46:57.976
person accepting the amendment actually

01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:01.000
understands what's happening here

01:47:01.760 --> 01:47:04.760
yep he does wow

01:47:05.320 --> 01:47:07.816
okay  so council member you've

01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:10.840
seconded now the motion

01:47:11.280 --> 01:47:13.175
he's withdrawn and councelor Greenwood

01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:15.776
is now the second of that amended

01:47:15.800 --> 01:47:18.800
wording so councelor Greenwood you got

01:47:19.199 --> 01:47:21.816
the floor thank you very much Lord Mayor

01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:24.215
 fellow counselors I understand that

01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:27.215
this site is already  the subject of

01:47:27.239 --> 01:47:29.416
consideration at the state planning

01:47:29.440 --> 01:47:31.655
level but that the consideration has not

01:47:31.679 --> 01:47:34.679
yet been decided and  this this

01:47:35.920 --> 01:47:38.376
particular site in this particular area

01:47:38.400 --> 01:47:41.400
the whole reason for doing this resoning

01:47:41.440 --> 01:47:44.440
is to make a transition area from Church

01:47:44.719 --> 01:47:47.719
Street down to the very sensitive

01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:50.376
heritage area in Sorrel Street and the

01:47:50.400 --> 01:47:52.215
particular site we're talking about in

01:47:52.239 --> 01:47:54.695
question has an adjoining border with

01:47:54.719 --> 01:47:56.536
one of the heritage items in Sorrel

01:47:56.560 --> 01:47:58.936
Street and it's just about the only one

01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:01.576
on the western side of Sorrel Street and

01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:04.600
so to have a higher FSR and height on

01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:07.496
that particular site of the most

01:48:07.520 --> 01:48:10.056
sensitive item on that side of Sorrel

01:48:10.080 --> 01:48:13.080
Street seems absurd to me and all I am

01:48:14.080 --> 01:48:15.896
asking for is that it's consistent with

01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:18.615
the rest of the controls across the site

01:48:18.639 --> 01:48:21.639
thank you

01:48:25.080 --> 01:48:27.896
council pending

01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:30.920
thank you  I'm not sure I'm not sure

01:48:31.040 --> 01:48:32.615
because

01:48:32.639 --> 01:48:34.936
 I I understand the intent of this but

01:48:34.960 --> 01:48:37.336
I have never had a a planning proposal

01:48:37.360 --> 01:48:40.360
and a variation in FSR or height and 

01:48:41.360 --> 01:48:44.135
 seen on the floor i I just can't

01:48:44.159 --> 01:48:46.296
understand what implications this will

01:48:46.320 --> 01:48:49.256
have on the on anything because  I

01:48:49.280 --> 01:48:51.016
understand the intent and why this is

01:48:51.040 --> 01:48:53.016
happening but I don't know if I can vote

01:48:53.040 --> 01:48:54.536
on this because I I just don't

01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:55.816
understand what this will you know how

01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:57.976
this will this is why I asked you know

01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:00.056
it's legal but we have some guidance

01:49:00.080 --> 01:49:02.536
from the staff  apparently it's legal

01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:04.215
so it is before us council you got to

01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:05.896
make up your mind so you've you've made

01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:08.920
a comment so it's lawful as I'm told so

01:49:09.679 --> 01:49:12.679
 council Isa

01:49:13.119 --> 01:49:15.336
I I'm a little bit perplexed about how

01:49:15.360 --> 01:49:16.336
we got

01:49:16.360 --> 01:49:19.360
here we went and stood up standing

01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:22.456
committees one that has planning in the

01:49:22.480 --> 01:49:25.480
name for the purpose of having these

01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:28.336
discussions Lord Mayor this was not

01:49:28.360 --> 01:49:31.016
discussed at the standing committee

01:49:31.040 --> 01:49:34.040
which I chair it was not discussed prior

01:49:34.639 --> 01:49:37.336
or subsequent to the standing committee

01:49:37.360 --> 01:49:40.360
it was not discussed nor shared prior to

01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:43.960
this meeting now despite all of this

01:49:44.440 --> 01:49:47.440
despite our planning staff having given

01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:49.736
a recommendation despite the state

01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:51.576
government working on it despite

01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:54.600
countless expert reports

01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:57.576
public exhibition and me being on public

01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:00.456
exhibition I now got to a point where a

01:50:00.480 --> 01:50:03.336
council deems it appropriate to bring to

01:50:03.360 --> 01:50:06.360
this chamber a planning change for a

01:50:06.480 --> 01:50:08.936
sight specific planning proposal that's

01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:11.095
got expert reports that's been the

01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:13.615
subject of state government 

01:50:13.639 --> 01:50:16.256
investigations  that's gone on public

01:50:16.280 --> 01:50:18.536
exhibition despite all of that let's put

01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:21.496
that all aside we're now going to make a

01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:22.936
decision on the basis of councelor

01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:24.376
Greenwood's recommendation to the

01:50:24.400 --> 01:50:26.336
chamber for

01:50:26.360 --> 01:50:28.615
consistency if we want to be consistent

01:50:28.639 --> 01:50:31.095
counselors let's be consistent in our

01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:33.816
approach to planning that's the more

01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:36.840
prudent approach rather than consistency

01:50:37.040 --> 01:50:39.655
in what the next door neighbor has said

01:50:39.679 --> 01:50:42.135
or because a Greens counselor says we

01:50:42.159 --> 01:50:45.159
need less height on the shock horror 

01:50:45.199 --> 01:50:47.095
or a Greens counselor says we need less

01:50:47.119 --> 01:50:49.496
density also i'm shocked now councelor

01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:50.695
Greenwood I appreciate that's your

01:50:50.719 --> 01:50:53.719
position and I appreciate this is not a

01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:55.816
personal attack but what what I'm

01:50:55.840 --> 01:50:58.456
suggesting is councilors putting your

01:50:58.480 --> 01:51:00.175
name to this

01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:03.199
amendment is I'm actually lost for

01:51:04.040 --> 01:51:06.936
words we've got standing committees as I

01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:09.960
said we've got planning staff we've got

01:51:10.400 --> 01:51:12.135
many opportunities to have this

01:51:12.159 --> 01:51:14.376
discussion speak to our staff members

01:51:14.400 --> 01:51:16.456
we've also heard our director of

01:51:16.480 --> 01:51:17.816
planning say he doesn't think it's

01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:20.695
appropriate despite all of that let's do

01:51:20.719 --> 01:51:23.719
it

01:51:24.320 --> 01:51:25.736
okay that's again so we've got no

01:51:25.760 --> 01:51:28.760
further speakers  I'll put If there's

01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:31.496
no further speakers may I have right of

01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:33.736
reply no it's not your motion it's

01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:36.376
councelor Allard's motion

01:51:36.400 --> 01:51:39.400
i apolog I can't it's only the mover 

01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:41.736
councelor Allard do you wish to say

01:51:41.760 --> 01:51:44.760
anything in reply

01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:50.776
okay  sorry i will actually just make

01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:53.536
a couple very brief points why it wasn't

01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:55.976
discussed at the planning panel and you

01:51:56.000 --> 01:51:58.135
were the chair of that meeting council

01:51:58.159 --> 01:51:59.816
through the chair you are the chair of

01:51:59.840 --> 01:52:02.376
the the plan because we didn't get that

01:52:02.400 --> 01:52:04.215
far as you know councelor Russell we had

01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:06.376
a broad discussion about this with

01:52:06.400 --> 01:52:09.400
certain concerns raised which led to at

01:52:09.760 --> 01:52:12.456
yeah which led to at one point in time

01:52:12.480 --> 01:52:14.215
no one actually putting their hand up

01:52:14.239 --> 01:52:15.736
and saying I'll move it till I got to

01:52:15.760 --> 01:52:17.175
the point where I said I will move it

01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:19.816
purely so we can have the debate as you

01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:22.840
would recall  council there has been

01:52:22.920 --> 01:52:25.256
discuss just this afternoon I had a long

01:52:25.280 --> 01:52:26.695
conversation with councelor Raful about

01:52:26.719 --> 01:52:29.016
before we got into the chamber  this

01:52:29.040 --> 01:52:30.215
has been something that we've been

01:52:30.239 --> 01:52:31.655
talking about for a little while i

01:52:31.679 --> 01:52:34.536
appreciate that you've  that there

01:52:34.560 --> 01:52:36.135
have been other distractions going on at

01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:37.095
the moment with a lot of things

01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:39.736
happening  and I'll just leave that

01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:40.936
remarks there we have had this

01:52:40.960 --> 01:52:43.960
conversation i'm conf I understand I I

01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:46.536
understand that the that the area is

01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:47.976
actually subject to a state 

01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:50.135
initiative initiative at this point in

01:52:50.159 --> 01:52:52.215
time and that will will or will not go

01:52:52.239 --> 01:52:54.376
through i don't know how that will stand

01:52:54.400 --> 01:52:56.296
 I have consulted with staff i've

01:52:56.320 --> 01:52:58.896
consulted with a number of the

01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:01.920
counselors no he didn't

01:53:05.440 --> 01:53:08.440
and I'll leave it there

01:53:09.679 --> 01:53:12.679
okay motion is before so we're going to

01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:15.800
show our hands all those in favor of the

01:53:20.599 --> 01:53:23.599
motion 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all those against

01:53:36.239 --> 01:53:39.239
so it's six and se seven

01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:43.736
yeah so it's 7 seven

01:53:43.760 --> 01:53:46.760
on the casting vote i against so motion

01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:51.159
failed or  hasn't

01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:53.976
passed it's not the amendment that's the

01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:55.976
motion guys so there's nothing now on

01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:58.135
the table yeah you need a motion on the

01:53:58.159 --> 01:54:00.376
table well there is no motion so state

01:54:00.400 --> 01:54:02.135
government can do whatever they want now

01:54:02.159 --> 01:54:05.159
 the we can So can we move the office

01:54:05.440 --> 01:54:07.976
recommendation okay move the office so

01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:09.016
now you can move the office's

01:54:09.040 --> 01:54:11.496
recommendation so councelor is you move

01:54:11.520 --> 01:54:14.520
i move that way l seconder council handy

01:54:16.080 --> 01:54:17.416
all those in favor of the council

01:54:17.440 --> 01:54:20.376
recommendation as printed in the papers

01:54:20.400 --> 01:54:23.400
I show of hands this is Rick

01:54:25.440 --> 01:54:28.440
so that's  yeah all those against

01:54:30.320 --> 01:54:32.095
so it's passed

01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:35.119
113 resolved adopted so we'll now move

01:54:36.080 --> 01:54:38.816
on to 259

01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:41.575
259 the provision of multi-purpose

01:54:41.599 --> 01:54:44.135
indoor sport and recreation center this

01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:45.655
has been pulled out so who would like to

01:54:45.679 --> 01:54:48.016
move this item

01:54:48.040 --> 01:54:51.040
adopt councelor Pandey seconded councelor

01:54:51.480 --> 01:54:54.480
Isa thank you Lord Mir  I have sent

01:54:54.639 --> 01:54:57.639
some minor  wording changes

01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:02.560
to the staff if that can come on the

01:55:15.239 --> 01:55:18.239
screen so lot may  while that's coming

01:55:18.320 --> 01:55:21.320
up my minor change is  that we should

01:55:22.239 --> 01:55:25.239
be exploring this a bit more in detail

01:55:25.280 --> 01:55:27.936
and not just relying on  the park

01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:30.256
trust for this

01:55:30.280 --> 01:55:33.280
space i think we probably are the only

01:55:33.599 --> 01:55:35.776
council comparable

01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:38.135
council which did you know where we do

01:55:38.159 --> 01:55:41.159
not have a indoor large scale indoor

01:55:41.280 --> 01:55:44.280
sporting facility if you look at ride I

01:55:44.480 --> 01:55:46.896
was looking at Penri $700

01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:49.296
million

01:55:49.320 --> 01:55:52.320
ski and we want to be the

01:55:52.360 --> 01:55:54.416
global

01:55:54.440 --> 01:55:56.615
destination we need to have the appetite

01:55:56.639 --> 01:55:59.095
for looking at some of these things and

01:55:59.119 --> 01:56:02.119
looking at  how we can find the money

01:56:03.599 --> 01:56:06.599
in our 2050 vision we say we want to be

01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:10.456
the home of festivals sports and

01:56:10.480 --> 01:56:12.615
entertainment

01:56:12.639 --> 01:56:14.976
i think we have a lot to catch

01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:17.896
up and I think that we should be looking

01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:20.416
at this

01:56:20.440 --> 01:56:23.440
 a bit more in detail in the vision

01:56:24.000 --> 01:56:26.536
again 2050 vision we say in embracing

01:56:26.560 --> 01:56:29.016
emerging sports trends council will

01:56:29.040 --> 01:56:30.736
advocate for the development of

01:56:30.760 --> 01:56:32.456
state-of-the-art infrastructure

01:56:32.480 --> 01:56:35.016
including exploring opportunities for

01:56:35.040 --> 01:56:37.976
innovative multi-purpose indoor arena

01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:40.856
catering to sports esports and other

01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:43.256
indoor sports and I think I agree with

01:56:43.280 --> 01:56:46.280
that vision and this is where we cannot

01:56:46.320 --> 01:56:49.320
just rely on on  discussions with the

01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:52.456
park trust to find this land i

01:56:52.480 --> 01:56:55.480
understand we might not

01:56:55.960 --> 01:56:58.960
have the the luxury of having land s you

01:56:59.520 --> 01:57:02.520
know  like  the Whitlam Center or 

01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:05.816
Blacktown Leisure Center but we should

01:57:05.840 --> 01:57:07.456
not be

01:57:07.480 --> 01:57:10.480
discouraged by

01:57:11.400 --> 01:57:14.400
 by no not having large open land open

01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:17.655
space we should be trying to find where

01:57:17.679 --> 01:57:20.679
we can so the amendment Lord Mayor is

01:57:20.960 --> 01:57:23.960
that we that the CEO the first one that

01:57:24.239 --> 01:57:26.175
the

01:57:26.199 --> 01:57:29.095
CEO explores further options to find a

01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:31.575
location within the LGA everything else

01:57:31.599 --> 01:57:32.816
remains the

01:57:32.840 --> 01:57:35.816
same and the last one is that a

01:57:35.840 --> 01:57:38.840
quarterly update be provided on the

01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:41.880
progress of this this project

01:57:42.080 --> 01:57:44.776
 can I also ask if there is a if there

01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:46.776
is a contribution developers

01:57:46.800 --> 01:57:48.256
contribution or any sort of

01:57:48.280 --> 01:57:51.280
contributions towards 

01:57:51.960 --> 01:57:54.456
 constructing or establishing an

01:57:54.480 --> 01:57:57.480
indoor sporting center

01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:03.199
me I'll take that on notice

01:58:05.480 --> 01:58:08.056
so I'll wait for the response my

01:58:08.080 --> 01:58:09.736
understanding is there might be and if

01:58:09.760 --> 01:58:11.655
there is then we should be making sure

01:58:11.679 --> 01:58:14.679
that it stays where it is so that we

01:58:16.599 --> 01:58:19.599
can fund something like this we have to

01:58:21.360 --> 01:58:24.360
walk the talk we just cannot not have 

01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:29.095
you know  go behind something like

01:58:29.119 --> 01:58:31.655
this and you know  we have to have

01:58:31.679 --> 01:58:33.976
that  funding if there is a developer

01:58:34.000 --> 01:58:37.000
contribution somewhere sitting in our 

01:58:37.440 --> 01:58:39.336
 and you know these are the things

01:58:39.360 --> 01:58:41.976
which again bothers me a bit i want to

01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:43.256
see some of these developer

01:58:43.280 --> 01:58:44.936
contributions every single bucket and

01:58:44.960 --> 01:58:47.960
where the money is is  is going to be

01:58:49.199 --> 01:58:51.256
 in the LGA as part of this budget

01:58:51.280 --> 01:58:52.615
exercise we'll make sure that that

01:58:52.639 --> 01:58:54.695
happens  because as I said I'm

01:58:54.719 --> 01:58:56.135
concerned if I don't know about this

01:58:56.159 --> 01:58:58.456
sort of  if there is a budget or not

01:58:58.480 --> 01:59:01.016
 and if there is then it should stay

01:59:01.040 --> 01:59:02.536
where it is i'll leave it there lord

01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:03.655
Mayor but I think it's very important

01:59:03.679 --> 01:59:06.376
that we we advocate for  I think we

01:59:06.400 --> 01:59:07.655
need to have that vision the vision is

01:59:07.679 --> 01:59:09.736
there the vision is there we need to

01:59:09.760 --> 01:59:11.256
find the money and we should be able to

01:59:11.280 --> 01:59:14.280
find the money thank you

01:59:15.599 --> 01:59:17.816
i wish I could counsel  I don't

01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:20.840
control the the minutes but through me

01:59:20.960 --> 01:59:22.376
to the relevant staff member could you

01:59:22.400 --> 01:59:24.376
please scrub for the deputy Lord Mayor she

01:59:24.400 --> 01:59:27.256
already has there you go deputy Lord Mayor

01:59:27.280 --> 01:59:29.496
that was wonderful  we got councelor

01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:31.016
Greenwood

01:59:31.040 --> 01:59:34.040
thank you Lord Mayor  I'm raising so I

01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:36.856
was on this committee and I passed this

01:59:36.880 --> 01:59:39.416
motion at the time but I understand that

01:59:39.440 --> 01:59:42.056
since that time this council has had a

01:59:42.080 --> 01:59:44.376
discussion about locations of indoor

01:59:44.400 --> 01:59:46.776
sports centers and one of the things I

01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:48.456
raised in that discussion which I think

01:59:48.480 --> 01:59:51.480
is very pertinent here is that it saves

01:59:52.719 --> 01:59:55.175
people a lot of travel to have lots of

01:59:55.199 --> 01:59:57.816
little centers spread out throughout the

01:59:57.840 --> 02:00:00.840
LDA rather than one big center and so if

02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:03.976
you're somebody who lives in Dundas

02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:05.655
Valley for example and you want to get

02:00:05.679 --> 02:00:07.736
your children to their indoor soccer

02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:09.416
training it's going to be more

02:00:09.440 --> 02:00:11.336
convenient to have an indoor soccer

02:00:11.360 --> 02:00:13.575
court in Dundas than it is to have it in

02:00:13.599 --> 02:00:15.976
Parramatta Park

02:00:16.000 --> 02:00:18.536
 sorry the location's already being

02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:21.560
taken out yeah I would also like to add

02:00:22.639 --> 02:00:25.639
that we're already building a big thing

02:00:25.760 --> 02:00:27.736
and you know we probably don't need to

02:00:27.760 --> 02:00:29.896
build two big things at once we probably

02:00:29.920 --> 02:00:32.920
can pace it out

02:00:32.960 --> 02:00:34.615
riverside we're building Riverside oh

02:00:34.639 --> 02:00:36.816
this Okay i thought you said we'll

02:00:36.840 --> 02:00:39.840
build multi-purpose center we're not

02:00:40.560 --> 02:00:43.416
building any big pineapples or big

02:00:43.440 --> 02:00:46.440
bananas

02:00:46.800 --> 02:00:49.336
so I won't be supporting this motion

02:00:49.360 --> 02:00:51.655
simply because I don't believe it's most

02:00:51.679 --> 02:00:53.655
efficient to have one large center in

02:00:53.679 --> 02:00:55.655
one large place i think it will serve

02:00:55.679 --> 02:00:58.056
our residents better to have multiple

02:00:58.080 --> 02:01:00.376
centers in multiple suburbs so council

02:01:00.400 --> 02:01:01.816
you've just confirmed that you voted for

02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:03.575
this at the standing committee that we

02:01:03.599 --> 02:01:06.599
all did to  make this chamber more

02:01:06.800 --> 02:01:08.776
efficient but in the space of a couple

02:01:08.800 --> 02:01:10.615
of weeks you've now changed your mind

02:01:10.639 --> 02:01:11.816
you showed how efficient standing

02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:13.336
committees are we did have a discussion

02:01:13.360 --> 02:01:16.360
in that time about

02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:20.840
finished  so I'm extremely supportive

02:01:21.760 --> 02:01:24.760
of us  increasing the  provision of

02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:27.496
indoor sport centers  absolutely it

02:01:27.520 --> 02:01:28.695
was identified in our community

02:01:28.719 --> 02:01:30.856
infrastructure that our provision needs

02:01:30.880 --> 02:01:32.695
to significantly increase at the moment

02:01:32.719 --> 02:01:35.719
we have just up in Epping at the  YMCA

02:01:37.440 --> 02:01:39.496
 at Epping and that is the only indoor

02:01:39.520 --> 02:01:41.256
facility that council actually operates

02:01:41.280 --> 02:01:43.736
in the LGA so considering the size of

02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:46.376
our LGA  it is underprovisioned i was

02:01:46.400 --> 02:01:48.135
just looking up I think we need an extra

02:01:48.159 --> 02:01:51.159
13 at least  on the 2019 numbers and

02:01:51.280 --> 02:01:53.896
and looking at 2024 it's yeah it's a lot

02:01:53.920 --> 02:01:56.456
more  obviously there are other

02:01:56.480 --> 02:01:58.215
organizations providing some indoor

02:01:58.239 --> 02:02:00.215
sports and we have Sydney Olympic Park

02:02:00.239 --> 02:02:02.456
but again our our City is growing at

02:02:02.480 --> 02:02:04.615
such a rate that we need far more of

02:02:04.639 --> 02:02:07.416
those my concern is around point A so

02:02:07.440 --> 02:02:09.016
I'm supportive of everything else but I

02:02:09.040 --> 02:02:10.936
do have to support again stand and speak

02:02:10.960 --> 02:02:13.960
against  point A  I do not believe

02:02:14.960 --> 02:02:17.416
that it is our place to be taking more

02:02:17.440 --> 02:02:19.416
land off Parramatta Park Parramatta Park's

02:02:19.440 --> 02:02:22.440
been eaten into so much already  the

02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:26.056
you know the the we're just losing land

02:02:26.080 --> 02:02:27.816
and and I appreciate we had to build our

02:02:27.840 --> 02:02:29.976
pool there but that is open space that

02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:31.736
we're losing that open space is so

02:02:31.760 --> 02:02:34.760
critical to our City and the it goes

02:02:35.840 --> 02:02:38.215
against you know us expanding  the

02:02:38.239 --> 02:02:40.135
Parramatta Aquatic Center goes against the

02:02:40.159 --> 02:02:41.976
master plan that Parramatta Park has for

02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:44.215
that site which is for the school to use

02:02:44.239 --> 02:02:47.239
this space  so I absolutely supportive

02:02:48.560 --> 02:02:51.175
of the other elements of this but to

02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:54.199
write to Parramatta Park and ask them to to

02:02:54.719 --> 02:02:57.719
look at us potentially expanding that

02:02:58.480 --> 02:03:01.016
sorry got one just confirming that

02:03:01.040 --> 02:03:04.040
council motion still included

02:03:04.480 --> 02:03:05.816
yeah I thought it was coming out i

02:03:05.840 --> 02:03:07.336
thought someone confused yes I'm

02:03:07.360 --> 02:03:10.360
confused as well

02:03:10.480 --> 02:03:13.480
so you know I left it there out of

02:03:13.599 --> 02:03:16.599
respect for the standing committee

02:03:17.280 --> 02:03:20.280
i'm happy to take it out because

02:03:21.119 --> 02:03:23.336
so I'm happy to take it out because at

02:03:23.360 --> 02:03:24.936
at the standing committee we actually

02:03:24.960 --> 02:03:27.896
talked about like everyone well cuz I

02:03:27.920 --> 02:03:29.736
was there as an observer and we actually

02:03:29.760 --> 02:03:31.336
there was agreement that we shouldn't be

02:03:31.360 --> 02:03:34.135
building one large center  so I was

02:03:34.159 --> 02:03:36.215
confused at why it stayed in in the end

02:03:36.239 --> 02:03:38.776
if you can remember council I actually

02:03:38.800 --> 02:03:40.536
thought it had been amended but that's

02:03:40.560 --> 02:03:43.560
not what's in here

02:03:45.560 --> 02:03:48.560
 so I I do note in regards to the

02:03:50.080 --> 02:03:52.135
question or notice I had on Riverside

02:03:52.159 --> 02:03:53.736
and the developer contributions that

02:03:53.760 --> 02:03:55.256
we're now looking to redirect to

02:03:55.280 --> 02:03:57.736
Riverside that there was  a comment

02:03:57.760 --> 02:04:00.056
made that there was $ 8.9 million that's

02:04:00.080 --> 02:04:03.016
been in a developer contribution reserve

02:04:03.040 --> 02:04:06.040
 for a community facility for youth

02:04:07.320 --> 02:04:10.296
 community so  I understood that

02:04:10.320 --> 02:04:11.655
sort of money was money that would be

02:04:11.679 --> 02:04:14.376
there  for an indoor sports center but

02:04:14.400 --> 02:04:16.135
now we're looking to redirect that money

02:04:16.159 --> 02:04:19.159
to Riverside  so these facilities cost

02:04:19.920 --> 02:04:22.056
a significant amount of money my concern

02:04:22.080 --> 02:04:24.215
at the moment is that unless we continue

02:04:24.239 --> 02:04:26.376
progressing as councelor Pandandy said

02:04:26.400 --> 02:04:28.215
it'll sit there as a strategy where

02:04:28.239 --> 02:04:29.896
we've identified we need to do something

02:04:29.920 --> 02:04:32.056
we're not doing anything i recall during

02:04:32.080 --> 02:04:34.615
the West invest discussions that we had

02:04:34.639 --> 02:04:37.575
I was really keen to see us put in a bid

02:04:37.599 --> 02:04:39.736
a project for an indoor sports center

02:04:39.760 --> 02:04:41.496
unfortunately we hadn't identified any

02:04:41.520 --> 02:04:43.536
land we didn't have a shovel ready

02:04:43.560 --> 02:04:46.376
project but until we do and we need to

02:04:46.400 --> 02:04:47.736
progress that we need to start

02:04:47.760 --> 02:04:49.175
identifying the land we need to have the

02:04:49.199 --> 02:04:51.416
concept designs so that we can go to the

02:04:51.440 --> 02:04:53.976
state and feds for money the start i

02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:55.976
know i just I just can't It's not It's

02:04:56.000 --> 02:04:58.215
the start i just can't support us

02:04:58.239 --> 02:05:00.296
approaching  the Greater Sydney

02:05:00.320 --> 02:05:02.695
Parklands and looking at us expanding

02:05:02.719 --> 02:05:04.936
Parramatta Aquatic Center as I said I'm

02:05:04.960 --> 02:05:07.336
sure the response back will be to to to

02:05:07.360 --> 02:05:09.016
tell us that it's not appropriate the

02:05:09.040 --> 02:05:10.695
master plan for that site does not allow

02:05:10.719 --> 02:05:13.496
for any more builtup space  I think it

02:05:13.520 --> 02:05:14.856
was already a push for us to put the

02:05:14.880 --> 02:05:17.336
pool there  so for me I I just can't

02:05:17.360 --> 02:05:19.016
support that component component but I

02:05:19.040 --> 02:05:20.536
am supportive of everything else thank

02:05:20.560 --> 02:05:23.560
you Councelor Ell

02:05:23.679 --> 02:05:25.336
 thank you Lord man just to provide a

02:05:25.360 --> 02:05:26.695
little bit of context  the

02:05:26.719 --> 02:05:29.056
conversation was about  moving towards

02:05:29.080 --> 02:05:31.736
smaller  centers right about and I

02:05:31.760 --> 02:05:33.575
actually referred and this is I actually

02:05:33.599 --> 02:05:36.456
refer back to the  the council report

02:05:36.480 --> 02:05:38.536
presented to the planning committee just

02:05:38.560 --> 02:05:41.296
referring to the conclusions 32 and

02:05:41.320 --> 02:05:43.896
33  council has limited financial

02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:45.816
feasibility to deliver a multi-port

02:05:45.840 --> 02:05:48.456
purpose center at the scale envisaged in

02:05:48.480 --> 02:05:50.456
the resolution in the medi term

02:05:50.480 --> 02:05:52.215
without significant external funding

02:05:52.239 --> 02:05:54.776
that was already identified 33 based on

02:05:54.800 --> 02:05:57.016
the analysis the options are C clan next

02:05:57.040 --> 02:05:59.336
to pack or B continue pursuing

02:05:59.360 --> 02:06:01.816
partnerships and BPAs to secure smaller

02:06:01.840 --> 02:06:04.456
indoor sports  sports courts across

02:06:04.480 --> 02:06:07.480
the LGA until future funding strategies

02:06:07.599 --> 02:06:09.456
can be developed to the council to

02:06:09.480 --> 02:06:12.296
acquire sites to enable it to move

02:06:12.320 --> 02:06:15.016
directly so the meeting did discuss this

02:06:15.040 --> 02:06:16.615
they did discuss the preference for the

02:06:16.639 --> 02:06:19.095
smaller facilities however what at the

02:06:19.119 --> 02:06:21.575
end from memory and councelor who was

02:06:21.599 --> 02:06:22.936
sharing that man could correct me if I'm

02:06:22.960 --> 02:06:25.256
wrong we felt that the motion as it was

02:06:25.280 --> 02:06:28.056
presented by staff wasn't a deviation

02:06:28.080 --> 02:06:31.080
from that  from that point i don't

02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:34.119
believe that site it'd be suitable for a

02:06:34.280 --> 02:06:36.896
Whitam Whitmer area

02:06:36.920 --> 02:06:39.655
style sorry Whitam area style 

02:06:39.679 --> 02:06:41.095
facility i don't think there's enough

02:06:41.119 --> 02:06:42.296
space there i don't think there's enough

02:06:42.320 --> 02:06:44.615
traffic management there or roads or all

02:06:44.639 --> 02:06:46.856
those other things I love talking about

02:06:46.880 --> 02:06:49.336
 that was where the committee headed

02:06:49.360 --> 02:06:51.016
we accepted the motion because it

02:06:51.040 --> 02:06:53.416
actually did not deviate from it did not

02:06:53.440 --> 02:06:55.816
create or did not deprive the

02:06:55.840 --> 02:06:58.655
opportunity  for

02:06:58.679 --> 02:07:01.679
that i'll leave that at that

02:07:02.400 --> 02:07:05.336
 councelor Pandy in reply thank you

02:07:05.360 --> 02:07:07.736
Lord Mayor i agree with  you know having

02:07:07.760 --> 02:07:09.976
small centers absolutely we're talking

02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:12.536
about half a million people in few years

02:07:12.560 --> 02:07:15.095
time in this LGA one is not going to be

02:07:15.119 --> 02:07:17.736
enough so we do need to have satellite

02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:19.055
small

02:07:19.079 --> 02:07:22.079
indoor sports ground where we can but we

02:07:22.800 --> 02:07:25.800
also need to have a bigger one if we

02:07:26.000 --> 02:07:27.896
want to position ourself as a global

02:07:27.920 --> 02:07:30.920
City we cannot have a indoor  central

02:07:32.560 --> 02:07:35.416
with capaCity of 200 and 300 people it's

02:07:35.440 --> 02:07:37.936
not going to be if that's what you

02:07:37.960 --> 02:07:40.655
want you are in the wrong

02:07:40.679 --> 02:07:43.679
council we want this to be a global City

02:07:43.920 --> 02:07:46.736
we want to have capaCity to host global

02:07:46.760 --> 02:07:49.760
events not satellite events with 300 you

02:07:49.840 --> 02:07:51.575
know and that's important i understand

02:07:51.599 --> 02:07:53.496
that is important and we should look at

02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:56.520
that as well it's not this or this it's

02:07:56.719 --> 02:07:58.456
both we should be looking at both of

02:07:58.480 --> 02:08:01.480
them so Lord Mayor I as I said and park

02:08:01.520 --> 02:08:03.175
I agree we should not be taking more of

02:08:03.199 --> 02:08:06.199
park we should be trying to find space

02:08:06.560 --> 02:08:09.336
outside the park as I said I left that

02:08:09.360 --> 02:08:11.896
 in the in the recommendation purely

02:08:11.920 --> 02:08:13.496
out of respect for what came out of the

02:08:13.520 --> 02:08:16.456
standing committee so I'm happy to take

02:08:16.480 --> 02:08:19.480
that out and have the CEO look at

02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:22.536
explore other options and if the CEO

02:08:22.560 --> 02:08:23.976
feels appropriate to have a discussion

02:08:24.000 --> 02:08:26.856
with Park Trust so be it

02:08:26.880 --> 02:08:29.016
yeah so it's I'm happy to take it out

02:08:29.040 --> 02:08:30.615
you know take it out council you're

02:08:30.639 --> 02:08:32.215
speaking in reply to the motion you

02:08:32.239 --> 02:08:33.416
can't change it now so you're speaking

02:08:33.440 --> 02:08:35.896
in reply sure okay okay no I understand

02:08:35.920 --> 02:08:37.736
now if that  you know if that helps in

02:08:37.760 --> 02:08:39.896
 having a unanimous position I'm happy

02:08:39.920 --> 02:08:42.920
to take out including seeking onwards 

02:08:44.239 --> 02:08:46.135
what was the other matter raised 

02:08:46.159 --> 02:08:49.159
small central yeah changing so I

02:08:50.840 --> 02:08:53.655
think without

02:08:53.679 --> 02:08:56.135
there's nothing to we're not making a

02:08:56.159 --> 02:08:58.135
decision it's to explore options

02:08:58.159 --> 02:09:00.135
including that including that's why it's

02:09:00.159 --> 02:09:01.816
just it's just options we're not you

02:09:01.840 --> 02:09:03.575
know we're not making a decision here

02:09:03.599 --> 02:09:05.175
guys

02:09:05.199 --> 02:09:07.175
thank I'll leave it there but as I said

02:09:07.199 --> 02:09:08.936
like you know it achieves both you know

02:09:08.960 --> 02:09:11.095
it's  it is important that we look at

02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:13.496
both small centers indoor centers as

02:09:13.520 --> 02:09:15.336
well as and we are allowing so heavily

02:09:15.360 --> 02:09:17.095
on weather these days you know we need

02:09:17.119 --> 02:09:20.119
to have flexibility in our in our  in

02:09:20.320 --> 02:09:22.856
terms of our offering  indoor state

02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:24.856
parks or indoor sports centers can be

02:09:24.880 --> 02:09:25.856
open

02:09:25.880 --> 02:09:28.880
24/7 they are we don't have to rely rely

02:09:29.920 --> 02:09:32.215
on weather  forecasts and all there's

02:09:32.239 --> 02:09:34.856
so many advantages of having a indoor 

02:09:34.880 --> 02:09:37.816
 sports center and as I said I agree

02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:39.976
have both  it doesn't have to be this

02:09:40.000 --> 02:09:42.695
or that thank you thank you counselor 

02:09:42.719 --> 02:09:44.456
I'll put the motion now all those in

02:09:44.480 --> 02:09:47.480
favor I I who's against

02:09:49.679 --> 02:09:52.615
okay so motion carried  we'll now move

02:09:52.639 --> 02:09:55.639
to 25-10

02:09:55.920 --> 02:09:58.615
 delivery program operational plan

02:09:58.639 --> 02:10:01.175
thank you may you got a question did you

02:10:01.199 --> 02:10:02.135
want to move the report as well

02:10:02.159 --> 02:10:04.615
councelor yeah I'll move the report put

02:10:04.639 --> 02:10:07.095
an amendment in there lord

02:10:07.119 --> 02:10:09.416
just to make my point explicit go ahead

02:10:09.440 --> 02:10:11.416
lord Matthew that meeting we had a

02:10:11.440 --> 02:10:13.336
discussion around how we report on

02:10:13.360 --> 02:10:16.360
changes  to the delivery plan and 

02:10:17.199 --> 02:10:20.199
the CEO agreed to that so  perhaps I

02:10:20.560 --> 02:10:23.456
can put in an amendment that just says

02:10:23.480 --> 02:10:26.480
that the depot dates of projects reflect

02:10:27.840 --> 02:10:30.055
the original date original delivery

02:10:30.079 --> 02:10:33.079
dates

02:10:57.159 --> 02:11:00.159
that progress reports  reflect the

02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:04.800
original delivery the original project

02:11:04.880 --> 02:11:07.880
delivery

02:11:09.719 --> 02:11:12.719
dates as well as subsequent changes to

02:11:14.159 --> 02:11:17.159
reflect the rag status red and green

02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:23.336
 through the CEO Lord Mayor is that

02:11:23.360 --> 02:11:25.016
the appropriate wording per our

02:11:25.040 --> 02:11:28.040
discussion

02:11:29.199 --> 02:11:32.199
it is separate part council I don't mind

02:11:32.719 --> 02:11:35.016
I I get that so you can assist Lord

02:11:35.040 --> 02:11:37.095
Mayor part A should be as per the

02:11:37.119 --> 02:11:40.119
original recommendation part B should be

02:11:40.239 --> 02:11:43.239
that  commencing quarter can I suggest

02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:46.920
quarter sorry three or four three yeah

02:11:48.400 --> 02:11:50.215
because the last quarter reports already

02:11:50.239 --> 02:11:53.239
done so yeah commencing from the next

02:11:53.440 --> 02:11:56.376
quarter that the DOP  progress reports

02:11:56.400 --> 02:11:58.896
reflect the original project delivery

02:11:58.920 --> 02:12:01.920
dates and then CB as the original part B

02:12:04.719 --> 02:12:06.135
and for the councilors who weren't there

02:12:06.159 --> 02:12:09.159
I could explain what we're getting at

02:12:09.360 --> 02:12:11.655
when you look at the DOP report it says

02:12:11.679 --> 02:12:13.496
it's green or it's amber or it's red

02:12:13.520 --> 02:12:16.520
based on a changed date so if it was you

02:12:16.960 --> 02:12:18.536
know scheduled to have been delivered

02:12:18.560 --> 02:12:20.055
three months ago but now we've changed

02:12:20.079 --> 02:12:21.736
the date to three months in the future

02:12:21.760 --> 02:12:23.976
it still reflects green rather than

02:12:24.000 --> 02:12:26.296
amber or red because we've changed the

02:12:26.320 --> 02:12:28.215
date and we're reflecting the rag status

02:12:28.239 --> 02:12:29.816
on the change in date not the original

02:12:29.840 --> 02:12:32.840
does that make sense to everyone yeah

02:12:34.000 --> 02:12:35.736
thanks

02:12:35.760 --> 02:12:38.760
 okay Council Darling

02:12:41.520 --> 02:12:43.736
thank you you and I I think that change

02:12:43.760 --> 02:12:46.760
will be a great  improvement  I do

02:12:47.599 --> 02:12:49.456
also want to note

02:12:49.480 --> 02:12:52.480
 or raise a

02:12:53.000 --> 02:12:56.000
concern just around the accuracy of the

02:12:56.320 --> 02:12:59.320
progress of of projects and and I

02:12:59.360 --> 02:13:02.135
appreciate that we're doing this for the

02:13:02.159 --> 02:13:04.856
 half of the year so it's for up until

02:13:04.880 --> 02:13:06.776
December and we're now in April so

02:13:06.800 --> 02:13:08.936
things have changed but I'll use say the

02:13:08.960 --> 02:13:11.960
open spaces plan as an example it it has

02:13:12.079 --> 02:13:14.776
a due date at the middle of the year 

02:13:14.800 --> 02:13:16.456
it says that it's progressing it's all

02:13:16.480 --> 02:13:19.480
green that it's at 15%  but I know

02:13:20.000 --> 02:13:21.256
through our discussions that we've

02:13:21.280 --> 02:13:23.496
already had around the bank  budget

02:13:23.520 --> 02:13:25.655
and depot for next year that we're now

02:13:25.679 --> 02:13:27.095
looking to shift that out until the end

02:13:27.119 --> 02:13:29.655
of next year so my concern is is that if

02:13:29.679 --> 02:13:31.336
I'm to look at this report I think we're

02:13:31.360 --> 02:13:33.336
all tracking we're all fine communities

02:13:33.360 --> 02:13:35.095
to look at it then there's such a

02:13:35.119 --> 02:13:37.976
significant change  I think we need to

02:13:38.000 --> 02:13:40.215
to be clear when we just I'd take a

02:13:40.239 --> 02:13:42.376
little bit more time  when we're doing

02:13:42.400 --> 02:13:43.736
this report when staff are doing this

02:13:43.760 --> 02:13:45.256
report just around how things are

02:13:45.280 --> 02:13:47.256
progressing  it's about managing

02:13:47.280 --> 02:13:48.856
expectations i think the sooner that we

02:13:48.880 --> 02:13:50.456
can inform the community that there's a

02:13:50.480 --> 02:13:52.695
need to shift  a key project the

02:13:52.719 --> 02:13:54.615
better that we can then  we can do

02:13:54.639 --> 02:13:56.456
that through this the other thing that I

02:13:56.480 --> 02:13:59.480
wanted to to highlight  was that when

02:13:59.520 --> 02:14:01.175
we don't meet a key performance

02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:03.256
indicator so there's some that we we

02:14:03.280 --> 02:14:05.336
haven't met it's important that we're

02:14:05.360 --> 02:14:07.896
either identifying very clearly the

02:14:07.920 --> 02:14:09.896
reasons or the steps that we're going to

02:14:09.920 --> 02:14:12.776
take to improve that  and I use for

02:14:12.800 --> 02:14:15.800
example  on page

02:14:16.040 --> 02:14:17.856
283 there

02:14:17.880 --> 02:14:20.880
is you know we're slightly

02:14:21.159 --> 02:14:24.159
under performing  in the indicator for

02:14:25.679 --> 02:14:28.456
the community hubs and Parramatta Square in

02:14:28.480 --> 02:14:31.256
terms of the customer satisfaction with

02:14:31.280 --> 02:14:33.896
those  it's only it's only slightly

02:14:33.920 --> 02:14:35.976
but again we note that we're tracking

02:14:36.000 --> 02:14:38.456
just below target  it has been read

02:14:38.480 --> 02:14:40.456
for two quarters for me it would be

02:14:40.480 --> 02:14:42.615
helpful to know what if what if anything

02:14:42.639 --> 02:14:44.215
staff are putting in place to address it

02:14:44.239 --> 02:14:46.296
it's only one example i think on the 

02:14:46.320 --> 02:14:47.496
standing committee we talked about

02:14:47.520 --> 02:14:50.296
street sweEpping  that's been under it

02:14:50.320 --> 02:14:51.575
was just an acknowledgement around the

02:14:51.599 --> 02:14:53.416
weather or staff shortages but again

02:14:53.440 --> 02:14:55.496
what steps are we taking to make sure I

02:14:55.520 --> 02:14:57.095
think for two quarters we tracked below

02:14:57.119 --> 02:14:59.095
so I just think with these reports it's

02:14:59.119 --> 02:15:00.695
so crucial for us and for the community

02:15:00.719 --> 02:15:03.719
to know  where and how key projects

02:15:03.760 --> 02:15:05.256
are tracking but to have that

02:15:05.280 --> 02:15:07.496
information i think great improvement in

02:15:07.520 --> 02:15:09.655
terms of keEpping the original date and

02:15:09.679 --> 02:15:11.896
then tracking the revised date  one of

02:15:11.920 --> 02:15:13.496
the examples I used that night was

02:15:13.520 --> 02:15:15.016
around the community recycling center i

02:15:15.040 --> 02:15:16.296
have a motion so I'll talk about that

02:15:16.320 --> 02:15:19.296
later  but again I think also with the

02:15:19.320 --> 02:15:22.215
KPIs we need to then be having a

02:15:22.239 --> 02:15:24.296
proposed or any proposed work that we're

02:15:24.320 --> 02:15:26.776
doing to bring those KPIs up where we're

02:15:26.800 --> 02:15:29.800
under performing  other than that I do

02:15:30.719 --> 02:15:32.695
encourage the community to have a look

02:15:32.719 --> 02:15:34.536
it is a long docent so I appreciate

02:15:34.560 --> 02:15:36.615
that but a lot of people said say to me

02:15:36.639 --> 02:15:38.215
often you come out to the community

02:15:38.239 --> 02:15:39.896
we've asked for feedback about what you

02:15:39.920 --> 02:15:41.976
want us to work what council should be

02:15:42.000 --> 02:15:43.736
working on i'm not sure what you're

02:15:43.760 --> 02:15:45.575
actually doing these sort of reports are

02:15:45.599 --> 02:15:47.095
exactly what we're working on and I

02:15:47.119 --> 02:15:49.256
think it makes it very clear then  to

02:15:49.280 --> 02:15:51.256
the community the status and where we're

02:15:51.280 --> 02:15:53.336
tracking as well as  the performance

02:15:53.360 --> 02:15:55.336
indicators  you can just search

02:15:55.360 --> 02:15:56.615
through the docent and look for things

02:15:56.639 --> 02:15:58.456
that are of interest  I think it's

02:15:58.480 --> 02:16:01.480
very helpful having  the red green

02:16:01.840 --> 02:16:04.840
amber to indicate  at a glance so I do

02:16:04.960 --> 02:16:06.615
thank the staff i appreciate that it's a

02:16:06.639 --> 02:16:09.016
lot of work  that goes into this but

02:16:09.040 --> 02:16:10.615
it is very helpful for us and the

02:16:10.639 --> 02:16:11.976
community to know how projects are

02:16:12.000 --> 02:16:13.655
tracking thank you Lord Mayor thank you

02:16:13.679 --> 02:16:15.336
thank you councelor i'll put the motion

02:16:15.360 --> 02:16:18.215
all those in favor I anyone against no

02:16:18.239 --> 02:16:21.239
carried unanimously  we'll now move to

02:16:22.000 --> 02:16:23.416
the report of the finance property and

02:16:23.440 --> 02:16:26.055
governance committee or councelor Pandy

02:16:26.079 --> 02:16:27.055
seconded

02:16:27.079 --> 02:16:30.079
councelor Mlan

02:16:32.080 --> 02:16:33.896
thank you Lord Mayor  Lord Mayor I move

02:16:33.920 --> 02:16:36.736
the recommendations within the

02:16:36.760 --> 02:16:39.760
item com 258 being the report of the

02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:41.256
finance property and governance

02:16:41.280 --> 02:16:43.615
committee meeting held on 26th of March

02:16:43.639 --> 02:16:46.639
2025 that items FPG

02:16:47.960 --> 02:16:50.960
25-7 and FPG 258 be adopted by

02:16:54.120 --> 02:16:57.120
council okay  any exceptions to that

02:16:57.439 --> 02:16:58.936
was it the Was there an amendment there

02:16:58.960 --> 02:17:01.495
about the No all good perfect  no

02:17:01.519 --> 02:17:02.776
further speakers to put the motion all

02:17:02.800 --> 02:17:05.535
that in favor i anyone against no

02:17:05.559 --> 02:17:08.136
carried not sure why that was taken out

02:17:08.160 --> 02:17:11.160
by exception  I will now move to item

02:17:14.040 --> 02:17:16.856
25-14 adoption of advisory panel in

02:17:16.880 --> 02:17:19.880
subcommittee terms of 13 sorry 13 sorry

02:17:21.040 --> 02:17:23.256
apologies

02:17:23.280 --> 02:17:24.936
reports to council minutes of the

02:17:24.960 --> 02:17:26.455
parameter traffic committee held on the

02:17:26.479 --> 02:17:29.479
5th of February so I move a procedural

02:17:29.920 --> 02:17:31.655
motion under

02:17:31.679 --> 02:17:33.216


02:17:33.240 --> 02:17:36.240
10.2 n I think it is  we  amend the

02:17:37.439 --> 02:17:39.896
speaking times from  5 minutes to 3

02:17:39.920 --> 02:17:42.920
minutes yep seconded yep  all those in

02:17:44.800 --> 02:17:47.800
favor I I against motion carried so

02:17:49.120 --> 02:17:51.976
we'll now move to reports to council as

02:17:52.000 --> 02:17:53.816
I said  any move of the minutes of the

02:17:53.840 --> 02:17:55.335
parameter traffic committee held on the

02:17:55.359 --> 02:17:56.776
5th of February i believe councelor

02:17:56.800 --> 02:17:58.455
Valjack you've got an amendment

02:17:58.479 --> 02:18:01.415
amendment  the amendment lord me

02:18:01.439 --> 02:18:03.176
council process I'll second second

02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:05.415
council vjac and we've provided it to

02:18:05.439 --> 02:18:07.256
the secretariat thank you do you want me

02:18:07.280 --> 02:18:09.976
to read it l me yes  the amendment is

02:18:10.000 --> 02:18:12.575
for

02:18:12.599 --> 02:18:15.256
 it's for the special event traffic

02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:17.655
management for Wigram Street in Harris

02:18:17.679 --> 02:18:19.896
Park which is item two in the traffic

02:18:19.920 --> 02:18:22.375
committee report the council note that

02:18:22.399 --> 02:18:24.136
three applications have been received

02:18:24.160 --> 02:18:25.976
from businesses and community groups for

02:18:26.000 --> 02:18:29.000
road closures for the 5th and 12th of

02:18:29.200 --> 02:18:32.200
October 2025 for the purposes of hosting

02:18:32.639 --> 02:18:35.056
community events dual and religious

02:18:35.080 --> 02:18:37.335
possession two the council note

02:18:37.359 --> 02:18:38.695
complaints have been received from

02:18:38.719 --> 02:18:40.695
residents and other groups regarding the

02:18:40.719 --> 02:18:43.256
level of disruption that is caused by

02:18:43.280 --> 02:18:45.896
mult caused by multiple road closures

02:18:45.920 --> 02:18:47.976
held in quick succession in October

02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:51.000
November each year in Harris Park

02:18:51.439 --> 02:18:54.136
three that council encourage the various

02:18:54.160 --> 02:18:55.575
business and community groups with

02:18:55.599 --> 02:18:58.056
interest in Harold Park to coordinate

02:18:58.080 --> 02:19:00.455
their efforts and hold one DWI event in

02:19:00.479 --> 02:19:03.176
the future to minimize road closures and

02:19:03.200 --> 02:19:06.200
disruption to the community four that

02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:09.016
council limit future road closure

02:19:09.040 --> 02:19:11.736
approvals for communityrun Dvali events

02:19:11.760 --> 02:19:14.760
to f in the future to a single event and

02:19:15.040 --> 02:19:18.040
undertake an EOI process to identify a

02:19:18.319 --> 02:19:20.056
suitable group to hold the event from

02:19:20.080 --> 02:19:23.080
October 2026 thereafter and five that

02:19:24.559 --> 02:19:26.455
council defer the recommendation from

02:19:26.479 --> 02:19:28.695
the Paramount traffic committee meeting

02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:31.455
held on the 5th of February

02:19:31.479 --> 02:19:34.479
2025 for item PTC

02:19:35.240 --> 02:19:38.240
25502A1 Wigram Street Harris Park STMP

02:19:39.840 --> 02:19:42.736
event class 3 Tali

02:19:42.760 --> 02:19:45.760
2025 and the CEO provide a comprehensive

02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:49.000
report to council at its June's 2025

02:19:49.280 --> 02:19:52.280
meeting that provides details of all the

02:19:52.560 --> 02:19:54.776
event and road closure applications

02:19:54.800 --> 02:19:57.375
submitted for October November

02:19:57.399 --> 02:20:00.399
2025 for Harris Park to enable council

02:20:01.040 --> 02:20:03.415
to consider the culative impact of the

02:20:03.439 --> 02:20:05.656
community and whether any event should

02:20:05.680 --> 02:20:07.896
proceed in isolation or as a joint

02:20:07.920 --> 02:20:10.536
venture thank you Lord Mayor thank you

02:20:10.560 --> 02:20:12.216
councelor i'll put the motion all those

02:20:12.240 --> 02:20:15.240
in favor I anyone against no carried

02:20:15.479 --> 02:20:18.479
unanimously now we'll move to the

02:20:18.640 --> 02:20:20.295
adoption of the advisory panel

02:20:20.319 --> 02:20:21.976
subcommittee terms of reference got

02:20:22.000 --> 02:20:24.776
mover councelor Allard sorry second

02:20:24.800 --> 02:20:26.696
councelor Raful thank you Lord Mayor I

02:20:26.720 --> 02:20:28.976
move the motion and add  the following

02:20:29.000 --> 02:20:31.096
amendments that the following councilors

02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:33.216
are appointed as chair of respective

02:20:33.240 --> 02:20:35.576
subcommittees grants committee councelor

02:20:35.600 --> 02:20:37.816
Allard affordable housing councelor

02:20:37.840 --> 02:20:40.840
Greenwood multicultural councelor Chen

02:20:41.200 --> 02:20:43.656
major projects councelor Isa the

02:20:43.680 --> 02:20:45.736
following councilors appointed as chair

02:20:45.760 --> 02:20:48.375
and deputy chair of the advisory panels

02:20:48.399 --> 02:20:51.399
City Economy Chair Councelor Chen Deputy

02:20:51.600 --> 02:20:54.600
Councelor NG Community Infrastructure

02:20:54.720 --> 02:20:57.720
Chair Council Mlan Deputy Councel Aljac

02:20:58.319 --> 02:21:00.776
Cultural Chair Councelor French Deputy

02:21:00.800 --> 02:21:03.176
Councelor Proive Environmental

02:21:03.200 --> 02:21:05.816
Sustainability Chair Councelor Darley

02:21:05.840 --> 02:21:07.216
Deputy Councelor

02:21:07.240 --> 02:21:09.816
Greenwood Heritage Chair Councelor

02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:12.536
Greenwood Deputy Councelor Proive

02:21:12.560 --> 02:21:14.776
Integrated Transport Chair Councelor

02:21:14.800 --> 02:21:17.800
Fool Deputy Councelor Proive Smart Smart

02:21:18.240 --> 02:21:20.056
Cities and Innovation Chair Councelor

02:21:20.080 --> 02:21:22.856
Isa Deputy Councelor Pandy Social

02:21:22.880 --> 02:21:24.936
Sustainability and Inclusion Chair

02:21:24.960 --> 02:21:27.960
Councelor French Deputy Councelor Mlan

02:21:30.560 --> 02:21:32.616
councelor Proive do you have anything to

02:21:32.640 --> 02:21:34.936
say because your microphone's on oh do

02:21:34.960 --> 02:21:37.960
you want me to say something no I don't

02:21:38.800 --> 02:21:40.576
i just want to make sure that you don't

02:21:40.600 --> 02:21:43.415
councelor Councelor Pandy are you okay

02:21:43.439 --> 02:21:45.816
you got something to say you know  I

02:21:45.840 --> 02:21:48.840
just wanted a minor  change amendment

02:21:48.960 --> 02:21:51.176
in the terms of reference for major

02:21:51.200 --> 02:21:53.176
project subcommittee i think this is a

02:21:53.200 --> 02:21:55.455
very important subcommittee

02:21:55.479 --> 02:21:57.216


02:21:57.240 --> 02:22:00.240
the frequency of the meeting

02:22:00.800 --> 02:22:03.656
 6.1 in the terms of reference  says

02:22:03.680 --> 02:22:06.335
that this should be as needed

02:22:06.359 --> 02:22:09.096
basis i think it should be fixed we

02:22:09.120 --> 02:22:11.576
should have this meeting every quarter

02:22:11.600 --> 02:22:13.896
 and if there is more agenda we should

02:22:13.920 --> 02:22:16.920
be convening this even as at less

02:22:17.040 --> 02:22:20.040
frequency or more frequency  I think

02:22:20.160 --> 02:22:22.536
 there is so many things there's so

02:22:22.560 --> 02:22:23.976
many major projects that's happening in

02:22:24.000 --> 02:22:26.536
City of Parramatta that we should be doing

02:22:26.560 --> 02:22:29.560
this  at least quarterly so that's the

02:22:29.680 --> 02:22:32.056
amendment Lord Mayor that  the major

02:22:32.080 --> 02:22:33.216
project

02:22:33.240 --> 02:22:36.240
subcommittee will meet on a quarterly

02:22:39.560 --> 02:22:41.736
basis in consultation with the

02:22:41.760 --> 02:22:44.760
subcommittee members

02:22:45.920 --> 02:22:47.656
who seconded that motion councelor

02:22:47.680 --> 02:22:50.295
Refford do you accept councelor Allard

02:22:50.319 --> 02:22:52.776
you accept  before I accept can I just

02:22:52.800 --> 02:22:55.176
ask a question my understanding is C 

02:22:55.200 --> 02:22:56.536
these stand these committees can

02:22:56.560 --> 02:22:59.096
actually set their own terms as needed

02:22:59.120 --> 02:23:01.335
is defined as when it is deemed by the

02:23:01.359 --> 02:23:03.736
committee as being required so if a

02:23:03.760 --> 02:23:06.176
committee deems it's it needs to meet

02:23:06.200 --> 02:23:08.375
weekly my understanding is that would be

02:23:08.399 --> 02:23:11.399
the case so I just ask through this

02:23:11.439 --> 02:23:14.439
through me to who would I ask you miss

02:23:15.280 --> 02:23:17.816
Miss CO okay go ahead g you got the

02:23:17.840 --> 02:23:20.375
floor

02:23:20.399 --> 02:23:22.856
 Lord Mayor the subcommittees are stood

02:23:22.880 --> 02:23:25.496
up as required so all the subcommittees

02:23:25.520 --> 02:23:27.816
are convened by council in the first in

02:23:27.840 --> 02:23:30.375
in response to a particular issue should

02:23:30.399 --> 02:23:33.399
the the council or the committee deem it

02:23:34.080 --> 02:23:36.295
necessary to meet on a fixed basis and

02:23:36.319 --> 02:23:39.016
the council could resolve that  in

02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:41.736
other circstances the council has 

02:23:41.760 --> 02:23:44.375
previously asked or stood up a committee

02:23:44.399 --> 02:23:46.776
to respond to a particular project for

02:23:46.800 --> 02:23:49.800
example  Riverside so it's at the

02:23:50.000 --> 02:23:51.856
discretion of council as to how

02:23:51.880 --> 02:23:54.880
frequently any subcommittee can meet 

02:23:55.200 --> 02:23:56.455
the council can request that the

02:23:56.479 --> 02:23:57.816
committee meets at a particular

02:23:57.840 --> 02:24:00.616
frequency or on an as needed basis so

02:24:00.640 --> 02:24:03.016
there is some flexibility there the

02:24:03.040 --> 02:24:04.616
committee can also recommend to the

02:24:04.640 --> 02:24:07.176
council that it convene on a regular

02:24:07.200 --> 02:24:09.576
basis for example quarterly but that

02:24:09.600 --> 02:24:10.936
recommendation would come from the

02:24:10.960 --> 02:24:12.375
committee if they felt that that was

02:24:12.399 --> 02:24:15.399
necessary

02:24:16.680 --> 02:24:18.936
council perhaps I'm confused i thought

02:24:18.960 --> 02:24:19.696
the

02:24:19.720 --> 02:24:22.136
convenor calls the meeting and the

02:24:22.160 --> 02:24:24.455
convenor isn't a counselor

02:24:24.479 --> 02:24:27.479
it's a staff member

02:24:28.319 --> 02:24:30.616
through you Lord Mayor council is adopting

02:24:30.640 --> 02:24:32.455
the terms of reference that the at the

02:24:32.479 --> 02:24:35.479
moment the council can resolve that the

02:24:35.600 --> 02:24:37.816
subcommittee convene to address for

02:24:37.840 --> 02:24:40.375
example Riverside and have a standing

02:24:40.399 --> 02:24:42.375
arrangement that subcommittee is stood

02:24:42.399 --> 02:24:44.696
up for the life of that project for

02:24:44.720 --> 02:24:46.455
example and the council could resolve

02:24:46.479 --> 02:24:48.375
that it meets monthly in other

02:24:48.399 --> 02:24:50.856
circstances the convenor may say to

02:24:50.880 --> 02:24:52.856
the subcommittee that a meeting should

02:24:52.880 --> 02:24:55.176
be held to discuss another project for

02:24:55.200 --> 02:24:57.256
example so there is some trying to do

02:24:57.280 --> 02:25:00.280
through the chamber to make it quarterly

02:25:01.280 --> 02:25:04.136
yes and that's my answer was that it can

02:25:04.160 --> 02:25:06.696
work both ways so outside of the

02:25:06.720 --> 02:25:09.256
quarterly cadence that councelor Pandy's

02:25:09.280 --> 02:25:11.016
saying the convenor can say actually I

02:25:11.040 --> 02:25:13.816
need another one okay

02:25:13.840 --> 02:25:15.576
yeah Lord Mayor in that case I'm happy to

02:25:15.600 --> 02:25:18.295
accept the amendment okay

02:25:18.319 --> 02:25:20.295
can I ask lot you know I think I've just

02:25:20.319 --> 02:25:23.176
noticed some all the terms of references

02:25:23.200 --> 02:25:25.496
I think we should have the meeting of

02:25:25.520 --> 02:25:27.896
any of these advisory panel at at a

02:25:27.920 --> 02:25:30.696
minim of 3 months at least

02:25:30.720 --> 02:25:33.415
now they're not advisory that when we

02:25:33.439 --> 02:25:34.856
move these originally in November the

02:25:34.880 --> 02:25:36.776
sub or whatever it was the subcommittees

02:25:36.800 --> 02:25:38.656
it was what's the point of having a

02:25:38.680 --> 02:25:40.856
committee at least 9 months because

02:25:40.880 --> 02:25:42.616
there may not be a need for it at the

02:25:42.640 --> 02:25:44.295
end of the day let's consider it you got

02:25:44.319 --> 02:25:46.056
a subcommittee that reports to a

02:25:46.080 --> 02:25:47.096
standing committee

02:25:47.120 --> 02:25:48.455
You got a standing committee that then

02:25:48.479 --> 02:25:50.936
reports is understand that's that's an

02:25:50.960 --> 02:25:52.856
issue in itself that's an issue so

02:25:52.880 --> 02:25:54.455
ultimately the baby decision the

02:25:54.479 --> 02:25:56.616
question I'm asking is that as at a as a

02:25:56.640 --> 02:25:58.856
minim these committees should be

02:25:58.880 --> 02:26:00.136
seeing each other otherwise they'll

02:26:00.160 --> 02:26:02.536
forget each other's face

02:26:02.560 --> 02:26:04.696
i have every every confidence in the

02:26:04.720 --> 02:26:06.136
chairs of the subcommittee that won't be

02:26:06.160 --> 02:26:07.656
the case i understand it's up to the

02:26:07.680 --> 02:26:09.816
convenor and the chair of of the comm

02:26:09.840 --> 02:26:11.736
these committees but there has to be a

02:26:11.760 --> 02:26:13.335
minim time frame that we should be

02:26:13.359 --> 02:26:16.136
meeting on i'm sure there's there's

02:26:16.160 --> 02:26:18.776
stuff happening in each of these areas

02:26:18.800 --> 02:26:21.800
for people to meet and talk about

02:26:22.040 --> 02:26:25.040
and yeah look yeah I I think the

02:26:25.439 --> 02:26:26.536
standing committee can look after

02:26:26.560 --> 02:26:28.136
majority of these items to be fair

02:26:28.160 --> 02:26:29.576
there's probably no need for these

02:26:29.600 --> 02:26:31.656
subcommittees but these are the calls

02:26:31.680 --> 02:26:34.680
this council has chosen 

02:26:35.359 --> 02:26:37.016
we can abolish them tonight if we choose

02:26:37.040 --> 02:26:39.256
I'm happy to accept an amendment but no

02:26:39.280 --> 02:26:41.736
I don't think anyone will do it  the

02:26:41.760 --> 02:26:43.176
council of vic do you want to add

02:26:43.200 --> 02:26:45.096
anything further  yeah I just have a

02:26:45.120 --> 02:26:47.656
question  through you Lar to I guess

02:26:47.680 --> 02:26:50.616
to the CEO on this one  why is it that

02:26:50.640 --> 02:26:53.335
we are not webcasting advisory panels

02:26:53.359 --> 02:26:54.656
because I thought we're all about

02:26:54.680 --> 02:26:57.335
transparency to the community and for

02:26:57.359 --> 02:27:00.016
some reason we we are

02:27:00.040 --> 02:27:03.040
not allowing advisory panels to be

02:27:07.439 --> 02:27:10.439
 through me to the CEO

02:27:13.200 --> 02:27:15.496
 Lord Mayor when the council first

02:27:15.520 --> 02:27:17.896
considered the notion of  advisory

02:27:17.920 --> 02:27:20.056
panels subcommittees etc there were

02:27:20.080 --> 02:27:22.776
specific  terms that were placed

02:27:22.800 --> 02:27:25.800
around them council  decided I think

02:27:25.840 --> 02:27:27.496
back in November that originally they

02:27:27.520 --> 02:27:29.096
should be open to the public then when

02:27:29.120 --> 02:27:31.016
the report was subsequently brought to

02:27:31.040 --> 02:27:33.576
council council resolved that some of

02:27:33.600 --> 02:27:36.536
the  sub the subcommittees and the

02:27:36.560 --> 02:27:39.335
advisory panels be held in camera  the

02:27:39.359 --> 02:27:42.359
Lord Mayor was  particularly  keen

02:27:43.520 --> 02:27:46.520
to be consistent  so whatever rule

02:27:47.520 --> 02:27:49.656
applied to  advisory panels and

02:27:49.680 --> 02:27:51.415
members of the public the council should

02:27:51.439 --> 02:27:53.576
have the same privilege in subcommittees

02:27:53.600 --> 02:27:56.295
so I think the decision don't want to

02:27:56.319 --> 02:27:57.576
speak on power for the change but I

02:27:57.600 --> 02:27:59.496
think the debate at the time was that it

02:27:59.520 --> 02:28:02.056
was all in or none in and the council

02:28:02.080 --> 02:28:04.056
resolved at that time to create terms of

02:28:04.080 --> 02:28:05.736
reference where the advisory panels

02:28:05.760 --> 02:28:07.736
would be held confidentially without

02:28:07.760 --> 02:28:09.016
webcasting

02:28:09.040 --> 02:28:12.040
 and so would the the subcommittee so

02:28:12.080 --> 02:28:14.776
they are I don't they include members of

02:28:14.800 --> 02:28:17.415
staff they are not 355 committees of

02:28:17.439 --> 02:28:19.096
council which means they're not subject

02:28:19.120 --> 02:28:21.176
to the code of meeting practice which

02:28:21.200 --> 02:28:24.056
means  they do they're not subject to

02:28:24.080 --> 02:28:26.136
the rules of webcasting agenda

02:28:26.160 --> 02:28:29.160
publication etc etc  they don't have

02:28:29.439 --> 02:28:31.576
those  similar transparency

02:28:31.600 --> 02:28:33.896
arrangements that a a formal standing

02:28:33.920 --> 02:28:35.696
committee and council

02:28:35.720 --> 02:28:38.720
has

02:28:38.840 --> 02:28:41.840
council  Darley

02:28:43.600 --> 02:28:46.136
I was just going to respond to that

02:28:46.160 --> 02:28:49.160
point  the the feedback in discussing

02:28:49.600 --> 02:28:51.256
with with councilors across the chamber

02:28:51.280 --> 02:28:53.335
and in talking to staff was that the

02:28:53.359 --> 02:28:55.816
advisory panels are community members

02:28:55.840 --> 02:28:57.896
and they're not elected to represent the

02:28:57.920 --> 02:29:00.216
City and for us to be webcasting them

02:29:00.240 --> 02:29:02.455
them sharing their opinion would create

02:29:02.479 --> 02:29:03.976
an environment where they wouldn't feel

02:29:04.000 --> 02:29:06.696
comfortable to do so  the the view was

02:29:06.720 --> 02:29:09.656
that for us absolutely we're elected 

02:29:09.680 --> 02:29:11.496
we know that it's part of the role but

02:29:11.520 --> 02:29:13.016
we wanted to make sure we're creating a

02:29:13.040 --> 02:29:14.216
safe space for people to feel

02:29:14.240 --> 02:29:15.576
comfortable to share their opinion we

02:29:15.600 --> 02:29:17.496
don't want a situation where people then

02:29:17.520 --> 02:29:18.696
are being mocked and judged and

02:29:18.720 --> 02:29:20.856
criticized  because they're sharing

02:29:20.880 --> 02:29:23.736
their opinion  we get it enough  but

02:29:23.760 --> 02:29:26.056
we don't need  we we want the

02:29:26.080 --> 02:29:28.776
community the advisory panels to to have

02:29:28.800 --> 02:29:30.136
a safe space where they can share their

02:29:30.160 --> 02:29:31.896
opinion the minutes will outline the

02:29:31.920 --> 02:29:34.295
discussion  and so the view was that

02:29:34.319 --> 02:29:36.056
it was about ensuring that we're

02:29:36.080 --> 02:29:37.736
creating that space to get the feedback

02:29:37.760 --> 02:29:39.576
from the community in a way that they

02:29:39.600 --> 02:29:41.176
felt safe doing that rather than being

02:29:41.200 --> 02:29:43.096
on show so that was my recollection of

02:29:43.120 --> 02:29:46.120
the discussion

02:29:47.160 --> 02:29:49.656
council speeches so happy to put the

02:29:49.680 --> 02:29:51.736
motion if you want  just yeah just to

02:29:51.760 --> 02:29:54.760
tap just as replied just to tap to 

02:29:55.040 --> 02:29:58.040
council valj's comment i understand I

02:29:58.160 --> 02:29:59.896
actually do think that there should be

02:29:59.920 --> 02:30:02.375
webcasting however I think councelor

02:30:02.399 --> 02:30:04.136
Dar's hit the nail on the head we're

02:30:04.160 --> 02:30:05.816
bringing in subject matter experts to

02:30:05.840 --> 02:30:08.136
help it guide and advice council now

02:30:08.160 --> 02:30:11.096
I'll throw out an example here i'm going

02:30:11.120 --> 02:30:13.576
to pick on councelor Isa in terms of

02:30:13.600 --> 02:30:16.600
smart cities  a discussion within

02:30:17.120 --> 02:30:19.335
smart cities  portfolio regarding the

02:30:19.359 --> 02:30:22.359
use of AI to further enhance and support

02:30:22.560 --> 02:30:24.216
 to further enhance and support

02:30:24.240 --> 02:30:25.496
something like traffic streaming and

02:30:25.520 --> 02:30:27.496
traffic  traffic movements throughout

02:30:27.520 --> 02:30:30.136
the CPD to create efficiencies is

02:30:30.160 --> 02:30:31.896
something that's topical something that

02:30:31.920 --> 02:30:33.816
the committee should could and should be

02:30:33.840 --> 02:30:36.840
looking at however to the naked eye

02:30:37.120 --> 02:30:39.496
looks like big brothers are checking 

02:30:39.520 --> 02:30:41.576
checking people out we need to be very

02:30:41.600 --> 02:30:43.656
careful and allow these advisory 

02:30:43.680 --> 02:30:45.496
experts to give their safe space to

02:30:45.520 --> 02:30:47.496
provide advice and part of the role of

02:30:47.520 --> 02:30:48.776
councilors particularly the chair and

02:30:48.800 --> 02:30:50.696
the deputy is to apply the political

02:30:50.720 --> 02:30:53.720
filter on that space so we  can keep

02:30:53.920 --> 02:30:56.696
the tint tint brigade at bay and make

02:30:56.720 --> 02:30:57.976
sure that we're getting appropriate

02:30:58.000 --> 02:30:59.896
council  appropriate and relevant

02:30:59.920 --> 02:31:01.335
advice right through the level that's

02:31:01.359 --> 02:31:03.656
the only reason why it's gone that way

02:31:03.680 --> 02:31:06.680
 but  again let's see how we do with

02:31:07.920 --> 02:31:09.896
this we can always change it later thank

02:31:09.920 --> 02:31:11.816
you councelor all those in favor of the

02:31:11.840 --> 02:31:14.840
motion say I all those against carried

02:31:15.000 --> 02:31:17.656
unanimously we'll now move on to the

02:31:17.680 --> 02:31:20.216
last council report being a late report

02:31:20.240 --> 02:31:21.816
the flood plane risk management

02:31:21.840 --> 02:31:24.216
committee community membership councelor

02:31:24.240 --> 02:31:27.240
Greenwood and  seconded councelor

02:31:27.319 --> 02:31:30.319
Pelomari  all those in favor I anyone

02:31:31.200 --> 02:31:34.200
against no carried unanimously we I will

02:31:34.960 --> 02:31:36.656
call for a 5m minute

02:31:36.680 --> 02:31:39.415
break and  we'll reconvene and we'll

02:31:39.439 --> 02:31:42.439
start with the notices of motion thanks

02:31:43.399 --> 02:31:45.335
councilors sorry councelor in your

02:31:45.359 --> 02:31:47.936
absence it lapsed no one moved the

02:31:47.960 --> 02:31:50.216
motion but I will allow you the

02:31:50.240 --> 02:31:53.240
opportunity to move it now

02:31:58.800 --> 02:32:01.800
second thank you Lord Mayor

02:32:02.880 --> 02:32:05.880
and Cameron  you got a second  this

02:32:06.000 --> 02:32:09.000
motion Lord Mayor is that council note

02:32:09.359 --> 02:32:12.359
that the site of 38 to 40 Marian Street

02:32:13.319 --> 02:32:16.056
Parramatta has previously studied being

02:32:16.080 --> 02:32:18.536
identified as being suitable for

02:32:18.560 --> 02:32:21.096
affording and key work affordable and

02:32:21.120 --> 02:32:23.656
key worker housing community and

02:32:23.680 --> 02:32:26.680
cultural uses and public car parking

02:32:27.200 --> 02:32:29.656
be that the future strategic direction

02:32:29.680 --> 02:32:32.680
for the site in council's draft property

02:32:33.080 --> 02:32:35.295
strategy is being

02:32:35.319 --> 02:32:38.319
informed I have to get by this previous

02:32:39.200 --> 02:32:42.200
recognition recognition of suitable uses

02:32:42.800 --> 02:32:45.800
by council

02:32:47.520 --> 02:32:49.496
that given the above council allocate

02:32:49.520 --> 02:32:51.256
funding as part of the preparation of

02:32:51.280 --> 02:32:53.136
the draft

02:32:53.160 --> 02:32:56.160
202526 budget to commence a project

02:32:56.399 --> 02:32:59.096
feasibility ility and planning stages to

02:32:59.120 --> 02:33:00.616
enable the early progression of the

02:33:00.640 --> 02:33:03.496
development of the site now Lord Mayor

02:33:03.520 --> 02:33:06.520
we first of all I want to thank council

02:33:07.040 --> 02:33:09.455
staff

02:33:09.479 --> 02:33:12.479
 for their supplementary report

02:33:14.520 --> 02:33:17.520
and I realize that the financial and

02:33:18.080 --> 02:33:21.080
implications of this are quite large

02:33:22.040 --> 02:33:25.040
$250,000 from the property reserve would

02:33:25.600 --> 02:33:27.976
need to be allocated

02:33:28.000 --> 02:33:30.096
 for for

02:33:30.120 --> 02:33:33.120
a study and this

02:33:33.800 --> 02:33:36.800
allocation would facilitate and use

02:33:36.960 --> 02:33:39.696
analysis that would include market

02:33:39.720 --> 02:33:42.375
analysis research demand competitive

02:33:42.399 --> 02:33:44.936
analysis evaluation of legal constraints

02:33:44.960 --> 02:33:46.736
analysis of physical

02:33:46.760 --> 02:33:49.335
characteristics financial feasibility

02:33:49.359 --> 02:33:52.256
identification of potential uses SWAT

02:33:52.280 --> 02:33:55.096
analysis and compilation of project

02:33:55.120 --> 02:33:57.736
assessment docentations and I want to

02:33:57.760 --> 02:34:00.295
draw to people's attention is that

02:34:00.319 --> 02:34:03.096
whether that analysis was done this

02:34:03.120 --> 02:34:06.120
month or next year it would still cost

02:34:07.319 --> 02:34:10.319
$250,000 because it is such a detailed

02:34:11.319 --> 02:34:14.319
analysis commencement this motion

02:34:14.760 --> 02:34:17.760
proposes that council commit commence

02:34:18.000 --> 02:34:21.000
the project feasibility study of a site

02:34:21.200 --> 02:34:23.656
which is convenient located within

02:34:23.680 --> 02:34:26.216
walking distance of public transport and

02:34:26.240 --> 02:34:29.096
the parameter CBD

02:34:29.120 --> 02:34:32.120
the potential uses for this site are car

02:34:32.800 --> 02:34:35.800
parking and the site could be integrated

02:34:36.479 --> 02:34:39.176
into the council's car parking strategy

02:34:39.200 --> 02:34:41.976
potentially generating a steady income

02:34:42.000 --> 02:34:44.976
stream for council creative

02:34:45.000 --> 02:34:48.000
industries and a report by UTS  this

02:34:49.439 --> 02:34:52.439
year revealed that creative industries

02:34:52.760 --> 02:34:54.256
contribute

02:34:54.280 --> 02:34:57.280
90.19 billion annually to the national

02:34:57.359 --> 02:35:00.359
economy and employ 6 million people the

02:35:01.520 --> 02:35:03.096
site presents an opportunity for the

02:35:03.120 --> 02:35:05.096
establishment of creative industries hub

02:35:05.120 --> 02:35:07.816
in Parramatta an example of this is a

02:35:07.840 --> 02:35:09.335
gaming festival that was held in

02:35:09.359 --> 02:35:12.359
multiple locations last weekend in five

02:35:12.960 --> 02:35:14.936
this is a new festival celebrating

02:35:14.960 --> 02:35:17.960
Australian gaming and community and

02:35:18.200 --> 02:35:19.776
industry

02:35:19.800 --> 02:35:22.800
and it featured digital showcases

02:35:23.040 --> 02:35:25.016
sessions with industry leaders and a

02:35:25.040 --> 02:35:26.736
large scale interactive game

02:35:26.760 --> 02:35:28.896
installation and just for your

02:35:28.920 --> 02:35:31.920
information the visual element of every

02:35:32.120 --> 02:35:35.120
game is designed by visual artists and

02:35:35.920 --> 02:35:38.455
the possibil is that they did the same

02:35:38.479 --> 02:35:40.936
undergraduates degrees as council of

02:35:40.960 --> 02:35:43.960
French and myself they have good as a

02:35:44.880 --> 02:35:47.496
new festival all games will grow and

02:35:47.520 --> 02:35:49.656
their presence is an indication that by

02:35:49.680 --> 02:35:51.976
providing appropriate facilities the

02:35:52.000 --> 02:35:53.816
creative industries are willing and able

02:35:53.840 --> 02:35:56.696
to use Parramatta as a location for their

02:35:56.720 --> 02:35:57.776
events and

02:35:57.800 --> 02:36:00.800
festivals indoor sporting facilities and

02:36:01.520 --> 02:36:03.736
sport generates 50 billion to our

02:36:03.760 --> 02:36:06.760
national economy and employs 220,000

02:36:07.040 --> 02:36:09.096
people and we've just been speaking

02:36:09.120 --> 02:36:12.120
about how we need small venues multiple

02:36:14.319 --> 02:36:17.319
small venues rather than one huge one

02:36:17.920 --> 02:36:20.056
community spaceion

02:36:20.080 --> 02:36:22.295
the growth of our CBD into commercial

02:36:22.319 --> 02:36:24.696
spaces

02:36:24.720 --> 02:36:26.536
has led to the disappearance and

02:36:26.560 --> 02:36:28.536
opportunities for volunteer and resident

02:36:28.560 --> 02:36:31.560
organizations and communities in our LGA

02:36:31.600 --> 02:36:33.656
to establish themselves and meet within

02:36:33.680 --> 02:36:36.680
or near the CBD good global cities are

02:36:37.280 --> 02:36:40.216
about people this site has the capaCity

02:36:40.240 --> 02:36:41.816
to provide an opportunity for

02:36:41.840 --> 02:36:44.776
reinstating spaces that are crucial to

02:36:44.800 --> 02:36:45.936
forming

02:36:45.960 --> 02:36:48.960
communities an affordable accessible and

02:36:49.600 --> 02:36:50.896
key worker

02:36:50.920 --> 02:36:53.920
housing initiatives which can facilitate

02:36:54.160 --> 02:36:56.616
the location and relocation of

02:36:56.640 --> 02:36:58.776
individuals and families expressing

02:36:58.800 --> 02:37:01.800
housing stress and those who are part of

02:37:02.000 --> 02:37:04.696
essential and critical workforce to

02:37:04.720 --> 02:37:07.176
close proximity to places of employment

02:37:07.200 --> 02:37:09.536
public transport and

02:37:09.560 --> 02:37:12.136
communities by making it easier for the

02:37:12.160 --> 02:37:14.455
essential and critical services which we

02:37:14.479 --> 02:37:17.479
all rely on to be readily available and

02:37:18.080 --> 02:37:19.976
also these this type of accommodation

02:37:20.000 --> 02:37:23.000
can all also attract talent to these

02:37:23.280 --> 02:37:26.280
sectors of our City ultimately the

02:37:26.880 --> 02:37:28.936
Marian Street Cast finish your sentence

02:37:28.960 --> 02:37:31.736
counselor can I finish site possesses

02:37:31.760 --> 02:37:33.415
the potential to contribute to the

02:37:33.439 --> 02:37:35.176
financial and functional role in the

02:37:35.200 --> 02:37:37.576
growth of our City as we translate

02:37:37.600 --> 02:37:40.600
position towards a global City 2050

02:37:41.840 --> 02:37:44.216
thank you councelor councela thank you

02:37:44.240 --> 02:37:45.656
Lord Mayor i'm going to make an

02:37:45.680 --> 02:37:47.256
amendment and I'm also going to talk to

02:37:47.280 --> 02:37:48.976
the motion

02:37:49.000 --> 02:37:51.335
 Lord Mayor through you to the relevant

02:37:51.359 --> 02:37:53.936
officer first on

02:37:53.960 --> 02:37:56.960
C  me reading C what it does is sets

02:38:00.319 --> 02:38:01.455
funding

02:38:01.479 --> 02:38:04.479
aside for the preparation of a draft but

02:38:04.720 --> 02:38:07.295
doesn't actually compel us to create the

02:38:07.319 --> 02:38:10.319
draft if you read C is that would would

02:38:10.720 --> 02:38:13.720
that be the correct interpretation

02:38:15.439 --> 02:38:17.536
 through me to

02:38:17.560 --> 02:38:20.560
Robert or to Mr kado

02:38:22.880 --> 02:38:25.136
 through you Lord Mayor  my

02:38:25.160 --> 02:38:27.896
interpretation of part C of the motion

02:38:27.920 --> 02:38:30.696
would be twofold firstly to allocate the

02:38:30.720 --> 02:38:33.335
funding and then secondly to commence

02:38:33.359 --> 02:38:36.359
the work

02:38:37.760 --> 02:38:40.760
so okay maybe I'm misreading it but it

02:38:41.040 --> 02:38:43.256
says allocate the funding to commence

02:38:43.280 --> 02:38:44.536
the project it doesn't say actually to

02:38:44.560 --> 02:38:46.536
commence it like set the money aside to

02:38:46.560 --> 02:38:48.295
do it but doesn't actually tell us to do

02:38:48.319 --> 02:38:51.319
it but in any case u with the mover's

02:38:51.600 --> 02:38:54.136
indulgence I'd like to move an amendment

02:38:54.160 --> 02:38:57.160
 a D that says at the preparation of

02:38:57.439 --> 02:39:00.439
the report commence after the delivery

02:39:00.640 --> 02:39:03.640
of the property strategy

02:39:04.560 --> 02:39:06.136
yeah

02:39:06.160 --> 02:39:08.216
so I'm not saying not to do it i'm just

02:39:08.240 --> 02:39:09.976
setting up the time to do it so it's

02:39:10.000 --> 02:39:12.216
informed by the property strategy in and

02:39:12.240 --> 02:39:15.016
of itself and then we do this informed

02:39:15.040 --> 02:39:17.736
by that property strategy now I had a

02:39:17.760 --> 02:39:19.415
long list of amendments counselor for

02:39:19.439 --> 02:39:21.096
your affordable housing section but I'm

02:39:21.120 --> 02:39:22.936
going to ignore that for the time being

02:39:22.960 --> 02:39:25.960
and I am encouraged by gaming creative

02:39:26.240 --> 02:39:29.240
industries and and sports  but I think

02:39:29.760 --> 02:39:32.760
once we do  complete the report post

02:39:34.080 --> 02:39:36.536
the property strategy I think it'll the

02:39:36.560 --> 02:39:38.536
return on that investment  will come

02:39:38.560 --> 02:39:41.560
out through that process so are you

02:39:41.600 --> 02:39:43.496
certainly are you comfortable with

02:39:43.520 --> 02:39:46.520
because you've been so polite yes

02:39:46.800 --> 02:39:48.696
great so we're all in unison let's just

02:39:48.720 --> 02:39:51.576
vote on it and me I I councelor Gwood

02:39:51.600 --> 02:39:53.816
you like to talk go ahead no no I'm

02:39:53.840 --> 02:39:56.295
happy to accept amendment fantastic 

02:39:56.319 --> 02:39:59.256
all those in favor of the motion I

02:39:59.280 --> 02:40:01.816
anyone against no unanimous fantastic

02:40:01.840 --> 02:40:02.816
thank

02:40:02.840 --> 02:40:05.840
you now I've got councelor Samir Pandy

02:40:06.160 --> 02:40:07.976
you've got the your proposal to create a

02:40:08.000 --> 02:40:11.000
cultural walk in Parramatta

02:40:12.000 --> 02:40:15.000
i think there's  I note there is no 

02:40:17.800 --> 02:40:20.800
response is council MLAN  so I'll I'll

02:40:22.080 --> 02:40:24.136
see how the debate goes  but the idea

02:40:24.160 --> 02:40:26.295
is quite simple i think I bond I I did

02:40:26.319 --> 02:40:28.616
raised it  as part of your Lord Mayor

02:40:28.640 --> 02:40:30.536
Lord Mayor at the last council meeting

02:40:30.560 --> 02:40:33.560
idea is that we recognize 

02:40:35.399 --> 02:40:38.399
 next specifically woman leaders  in

02:40:40.240 --> 02:40:43.240
our LGA and  have a cultural

02:40:44.680 --> 02:40:47.680
walk also install plaques  around CBD

02:40:50.000 --> 02:40:53.000
 in Paris Square civic link  and

02:40:54.880 --> 02:40:57.880
acknowledge the contributions of  some

02:40:59.040 --> 02:41:00.176
of

02:41:00.200 --> 02:41:03.200
 our leaders women leaders from the

02:41:04.200 --> 02:41:06.936
past council just to confirm it's not

02:41:06.960 --> 02:41:08.936
for the staff that only look for women

02:41:08.960 --> 02:41:11.415
it's for both but particularly to to

02:41:11.439 --> 02:41:13.176
seek define women but if there were to

02:41:13.200 --> 02:41:14.536
be some men come out of it that's

02:41:14.560 --> 02:41:16.136
acceptable because the way that's worded

02:41:16.160 --> 02:41:18.936
to me it's both no it's it's both yes

02:41:18.960 --> 02:41:21.096
but  I think it's I say particularly

02:41:21.120 --> 02:41:23.096
because I think that's an area where it

02:41:23.120 --> 02:41:25.176
came out of yeah we lack and also I

02:41:25.200 --> 02:41:28.136
think with particular focus on women

02:41:28.160 --> 02:41:31.160
leaders from  from the past  but

02:41:31.520 --> 02:41:33.415
yeah if there is if there are men of

02:41:33.439 --> 02:41:36.216
course that's absolutely fine so that's

02:41:36.240 --> 02:41:38.216
the intent of the motion lord  I'm

02:41:38.240 --> 02:41:41.240
happy to  hear the debate and then

02:41:41.399 --> 02:41:44.399
respond council Darali

02:41:45.840 --> 02:41:48.840
it was just a a question  I noticed in

02:41:49.600 --> 02:41:50.776
the the staff report there wasn't

02:41:50.800 --> 02:41:52.216
mention of it but I was aware that we're

02:41:52.240 --> 02:41:55.096
already doing an art and culture walk i

02:41:55.120 --> 02:41:56.136
remember seeing it in the capital

02:41:56.160 --> 02:41:58.216
project i just was unable to pull it up

02:41:58.240 --> 02:41:59.816
i'm just wondering if there is a member

02:41:59.840 --> 02:42:02.455
of staff that is aware of that like I I

02:42:02.479 --> 02:42:03.816
just don't want to be duplicating i I

02:42:03.840 --> 02:42:05.576
was aware that it was along the river i

02:42:05.600 --> 02:42:08.136
don't know if it might be Mr

02:42:08.160 --> 02:42:10.936
 is there any  Mr greg do you have a

02:42:10.960 --> 02:42:13.256
response through me thank you and

02:42:13.280 --> 02:42:15.256
through you Lord Mayor  so council

02:42:15.280 --> 02:42:18.136
does already  provide  cultural

02:42:18.160 --> 02:42:20.056
walks as part of our programming i'm not

02:42:20.080 --> 02:42:21.335
sure if that's what's or you know

02:42:21.359 --> 02:42:22.856
cultural tours and that sort of thing i

02:42:22.880 --> 02:42:25.016
don't but I think the project you might

02:42:25.040 --> 02:42:26.696
be referring to I'll take it on notice

02:42:26.720 --> 02:42:28.616
but could be the first nations walk

02:42:28.640 --> 02:42:30.776
which is capital project in the in in

02:42:30.800 --> 02:42:33.800
the D thank you  councelor Grenwood

02:42:35.520 --> 02:42:38.455
thank you Lord Mayor  I vaguely recall

02:42:38.479 --> 02:42:40.455
seeing somewhere that council was

02:42:40.479 --> 02:42:42.536
working with  Western Sydney

02:42:42.560 --> 02:42:45.176
University to look at drawing out

02:42:45.200 --> 02:42:47.496
women's stories i was wondering if you

02:42:47.520 --> 02:42:50.375
could provide through you could provide

02:42:50.399 --> 02:42:52.455
an update on that and say how relevant

02:42:52.479 --> 02:42:54.616
it is to this

02:42:54.640 --> 02:42:57.640
sorry C I'm not aware but I will ask

02:42:57.840 --> 02:43:00.840
maybe the CEO's aware

02:43:01.040 --> 02:43:02.856
see the CEO just informed you happy to

02:43:02.880 --> 02:43:04.375
provide us with a briefing note with an

02:43:04.399 --> 02:43:07.016
update okay councelor Pandy I think

02:43:07.040 --> 02:43:09.976
there's no objection so you like  to

02:43:10.000 --> 02:43:12.056
speak and reply thank you  just with

02:43:12.080 --> 02:43:14.375
 item four or paragraph four in the

02:43:14.399 --> 02:43:16.616
background which says that a report for

02:43:16.640 --> 02:43:18.656
the future council

02:43:18.680 --> 02:43:21.680
meeting was going to ask which what's

02:43:22.399 --> 02:43:24.936
feasible in terms of  getting a report

02:43:24.960 --> 02:43:27.576
back on this

02:43:27.600 --> 02:43:29.696
3 to see yeah

02:43:29.720 --> 02:43:32.375
yeah i would like to be more definite

02:43:32.399 --> 02:43:35.256
about  me ideally it would line up

02:43:35.280 --> 02:43:36.696
with the delivery of the cultural

02:43:36.720 --> 02:43:39.720
strategy  which is due

02:43:41.920 --> 02:43:44.920
sorry I can't lip read John

02:43:45.040 --> 02:43:48.040
 the cultural strategy  pending the

02:43:48.560 --> 02:43:50.136
outcome of the consultation is due back

02:43:50.160 --> 02:43:53.160
to council in June okay june so all

02:43:54.560 --> 02:43:56.455
right that's fine june is good  we are

02:43:56.479 --> 02:43:59.176
in April that's fine thank you all those

02:43:59.200 --> 02:44:02.200
in favor i anyone against no unanimous

02:44:04.160 --> 02:44:07.160
great work councelor  we'll now move

02:44:07.960 --> 02:44:09.696
to

02:44:09.720 --> 02:44:12.720
2517 councelor Dartley community

02:44:13.120 --> 02:44:15.335
recycling center status report a new

02:44:15.359 --> 02:44:18.359
business case

02:44:19.840 --> 02:44:22.455
i got a second

02:44:22.479 --> 02:44:25.479
yeah council is

02:44:28.399 --> 02:44:29.856
now

02:44:29.880 --> 02:44:32.880
 this this is a facility that the

02:44:33.359 --> 02:44:35.016
community's been waiting for for for

02:44:35.040 --> 02:44:36.696
quite a long time  I was actually

02:44:36.720 --> 02:44:37.896
going back through the records and

02:44:37.920 --> 02:44:40.216
trying to see last term of actually it

02:44:40.240 --> 02:44:42.375
was the term before 2017 term when it

02:44:42.399 --> 02:44:43.976
was actually originally buried but I do

02:44:44.000 --> 02:44:45.255
believe it was a number of years ago

02:44:45.279 --> 02:44:46.936
that it was identified we needed a

02:44:46.960 --> 02:44:49.096
community recycling center these are

02:44:49.120 --> 02:44:50.856
facilities that are provided in a number

02:44:50.880 --> 02:44:52.936
of council areas across the state

02:44:52.960 --> 02:44:55.576
supported by the EPA to allow residents

02:44:55.600 --> 02:44:58.536
to be able to drop off  problem waste

02:44:58.560 --> 02:45:01.335
everything from your  e-waste whether

02:45:01.359 --> 02:45:03.656
it's your old computers and printers to

02:45:03.680 --> 02:45:06.536
bulky cardboard  and in some cases the

02:45:06.560 --> 02:45:08.936
one at at Thornley which I often visit

02:45:08.960 --> 02:45:10.936
it also takes clothing soft plastics and

02:45:10.960 --> 02:45:13.415
a number of other items so this is been

02:45:13.439 --> 02:45:14.936
long awaited i know the community is

02:45:14.960 --> 02:45:17.415
very keen we last year purchased land

02:45:17.439 --> 02:45:19.656
after taking some time to be able to

02:45:19.680 --> 02:45:22.680
find a suitable site in our LGA  we

02:45:22.720 --> 02:45:24.616
purchased land in North Parramatta and now

02:45:24.640 --> 02:45:26.616
going through that process unfortunately

02:45:26.640 --> 02:45:28.375
there have been ongoing delays that it

02:45:28.399 --> 02:45:31.295
has been frustrating

02:45:31.319 --> 02:45:34.319
 and we tonight actually endorse that

02:45:34.399 --> 02:45:36.696
it'll be extended out until the end of

02:45:36.720 --> 02:45:38.295
this year it was meant to open middle of

02:45:38.319 --> 02:45:39.976
this year and so now we're looking at

02:45:40.000 --> 02:45:42.455
the end of this year  what we're

02:45:42.479 --> 02:45:44.936
trying what I'm doing here  on the

02:45:44.960 --> 02:45:47.960
advice of the CEO is actually to 

02:45:48.399 --> 02:45:49.976
bring forward that that the site's

02:45:50.000 --> 02:45:51.736
already been purchased we are able to

02:45:51.760 --> 02:45:54.295
operate in a limited  capaCity at the

02:45:54.319 --> 02:45:56.616
moment but it's finding out in what form

02:45:56.640 --> 02:45:59.096
that will take  I do just need to

02:45:59.120 --> 02:46:02.120
change in B May to June  I understand

02:46:03.359 --> 02:46:04.936
that we just don't have the timing to

02:46:04.960 --> 02:46:06.696
get the report to come to the May

02:46:06.720 --> 02:46:08.856
meeting but it can come to the the June

02:46:08.880 --> 02:46:10.216
meeting so it'll come to the May

02:46:10.240 --> 02:46:11.576
standing committee and then the June

02:46:11.600 --> 02:46:14.600
council meeting  so this would allow

02:46:14.880 --> 02:46:17.880
us to then open the facility in a in a

02:46:17.920 --> 02:46:19.496
limited form to start with for a few

02:46:19.520 --> 02:46:22.520
months and then open it in full capaCity

02:46:22.720 --> 02:46:24.616
just wanted to clarify  because I

02:46:24.640 --> 02:46:26.295
noticed in the staff response I think

02:46:26.319 --> 02:46:27.896
there's a little bit of confusion my

02:46:27.920 --> 02:46:30.920
part C about an updated business case is

02:46:31.120 --> 02:46:33.496
around the fact that last year when we

02:46:33.520 --> 02:46:35.415
supported in  when we endorsed buying

02:46:35.439 --> 02:46:37.496
land in North Parramatta there was a

02:46:37.520 --> 02:46:38.936
business case attached to that through

02:46:38.960 --> 02:46:40.375
conversations with the CEO and the

02:46:40.399 --> 02:46:42.295
relevant staff i understand that the

02:46:42.319 --> 02:46:44.216
modeling that was done in that about how

02:46:44.240 --> 02:46:45.896
it was going to operate when it was open

02:46:45.920 --> 02:46:48.136
has changed so this is about providing

02:46:48.160 --> 02:46:50.455
that update  not about doing a new

02:46:50.479 --> 02:46:51.816
business case so it's not that we need

02:46:51.840 --> 02:46:53.656
to hire anyone else to do a new business

02:46:53.680 --> 02:46:55.736
case is just actually adjusting that

02:46:55.760 --> 02:46:57.096
modeling and presenting it to the

02:46:57.120 --> 02:47:00.120
chamber  at the environment advisory

02:47:00.399 --> 02:47:02.696
committee last term of council we talked

02:47:02.720 --> 02:47:04.536
about when it opened that we may be

02:47:04.560 --> 02:47:07.096
offering additional waste that can be

02:47:07.120 --> 02:47:10.120
collected we're also looking for a tool

02:47:10.720 --> 02:47:12.856
library or a library of things as I call

02:47:12.880 --> 02:47:14.776
it so it's been clear about the timing

02:47:14.800 --> 02:47:16.856
of when they will come on  and what

02:47:16.880 --> 02:47:18.856
capaCity it'll be so hopefully there's

02:47:18.880 --> 02:47:20.776
support for this  and that we get

02:47:20.800 --> 02:47:22.776
regular reporting as well as we approach

02:47:22.800 --> 02:47:25.016
the opening of the new community

02:47:25.040 --> 02:47:26.936
recycling center thank you councelor

02:47:26.960 --> 02:47:29.960
councelor Panty

02:47:30.840 --> 02:47:33.255
no awesome i didn't want to but I'll

02:47:33.279 --> 02:47:35.096
speak anyway

02:47:35.120 --> 02:47:38.120
you can turn it off the microphone

02:47:38.800 --> 02:47:41.176
no I think  I think it's  I I do

02:47:41.200 --> 02:47:43.255
want to look at the new business case i

02:47:43.279 --> 02:47:45.176
do want to acknowledge that since we

02:47:45.200 --> 02:47:46.496
started the

02:47:46.520 --> 02:47:49.520
  the scope has probably slightly

02:47:49.840 --> 02:47:51.576
changed and  hence the delay i

02:47:51.600 --> 02:47:54.536
understand that  but I think now that

02:47:54.560 --> 02:47:57.560
we  we know where we stand  I think

02:47:57.840 --> 02:48:00.840
a business case  we should look at the

02:48:01.120 --> 02:48:03.576
updated business case for this  is

02:48:03.600 --> 02:48:06.600
there a time frame that we CEO Lord

02:48:07.040 --> 02:48:09.656
through you  that we will have the

02:48:09.680 --> 02:48:12.680
business case part yes Mr

02:48:15.520 --> 02:48:18.520
three Lord Mayor the

02:48:20.240 --> 02:48:23.240
business case is pendant on the the

02:48:23.359 --> 02:48:26.359
development consent so at this current

02:48:26.479 --> 02:48:27.976
stage

02:48:28.000 --> 02:48:31.000
 there is a DA for the change of use

02:48:31.279 --> 02:48:33.176
depending on the conditions of consent

02:48:33.200 --> 02:48:36.136
will dictate the  business plan

02:48:36.160 --> 02:48:39.160
business case and the operating model

02:48:40.040 --> 02:48:43.040
but what's what's the tentative time

02:48:43.120 --> 02:48:45.736
frame  you know I understand there's

02:48:45.760 --> 02:48:47.335
change in use and you know there might

02:48:47.359 --> 02:48:49.816
be few milestones but do we still have a

02:48:49.840 --> 02:48:51.736
tentative time frame is it this year in

02:48:51.760 --> 02:48:54.760
6 months or this financial year calendar

02:48:55.120 --> 02:48:57.176
year what's through me back to you Mr

02:48:57.200 --> 02:49:00.200
bassf  through you Lord Mayor  I do

02:49:00.240 --> 02:49:03.240
not wish to preempt the DA stage where

02:49:05.439 --> 02:49:08.216
we operate on at arms length that's a

02:49:08.240 --> 02:49:09.656
difficult question to answer as the

02:49:09.680 --> 02:49:12.680
applicant okay but we are hopeful it's

02:49:13.680 --> 02:49:16.680
this year for the business case

02:49:18.240 --> 02:49:20.776
for the DA

02:49:20.800 --> 02:49:23.096
three Lord Mayor the business case is

02:49:23.120 --> 02:49:26.120
dependent on the DA development consents

02:49:26.800 --> 02:49:28.295
so okay let me ask this question

02:49:28.319 --> 02:49:30.255
probably you can answer this so once the

02:49:30.279 --> 02:49:33.279
DA is finalized either way let's say if

02:49:34.319 --> 02:49:36.936
it's endorsed and approved how long from

02:49:36.960 --> 02:49:39.736
then for the business case roughly

02:49:39.760 --> 02:49:42.760
through through me to you Mr may  it

02:49:43.840 --> 02:49:45.656
would the finalization of the business

02:49:45.680 --> 02:49:47.816
case will be undertaken within the month

02:49:47.840 --> 02:49:50.696
okay that's good thank you okay council

02:49:50.720 --> 02:49:53.335
voucher oh sorry done so with no further

02:49:53.359 --> 02:49:54.536
speakers I'll put the motion all those

02:49:54.560 --> 02:49:57.560
in favor i anyone against no  carried

02:50:00.000 --> 02:50:03.000
we'll now move on to 2518 councelor

02:50:03.520 --> 02:50:05.736
Darley proposed changes to the adopted

02:50:05.760 --> 02:50:07.335
cycle for standing committee meetings

02:50:07.359 --> 02:50:09.335
and council briefings

02:50:09.359 --> 02:50:11.415
seconded Lord Mayor second council

02:50:11.439 --> 02:50:13.896
Greenwood thank you  I I noticed that

02:50:13.920 --> 02:50:15.656
some of my notice of motions the titles

02:50:15.680 --> 02:50:17.576
have changed this I had labeled this

02:50:17.600 --> 02:50:20.600
housekeEpping  amendments  I

02:50:20.640 --> 02:50:23.016
appreciate when we endorsed the new

02:50:23.040 --> 02:50:24.696
meeting cycle that we said we'd do a

02:50:24.720 --> 02:50:27.016
trial and we'd review it  in September

02:50:27.040 --> 02:50:30.040
there are however clear  pain points I

02:50:31.600 --> 02:50:33.976
will call them  at the moment and for

02:50:34.000 --> 02:50:35.736
me you know we we talk about being an

02:50:35.760 --> 02:50:37.496
innov innovative City we talk about

02:50:37.520 --> 02:50:39.656
being agile and I don't think we should

02:50:39.680 --> 02:50:42.536
be waiting until September to make 

02:50:42.560 --> 02:50:44.776
some refinements to what we're currently

02:50:44.800 --> 02:50:46.216
doing to ensure that it's actually

02:50:46.240 --> 02:50:48.056
operating and meeting the objectives

02:50:48.080 --> 02:50:50.216
that we set to be clear you know

02:50:50.240 --> 02:50:51.976
implementing the standing committees was

02:50:52.000 --> 02:50:54.056
about improving transparency about

02:50:54.080 --> 02:50:56.776
improving efficiencies and and having a

02:50:56.800 --> 02:50:58.295
system where we're making more effective

02:50:58.319 --> 02:51:00.536
decisions now the challenge for me at

02:51:00.560 --> 02:51:02.375
the moment is I can't work out how to be

02:51:02.399 --> 02:51:03.736
in two places at once i don't know if

02:51:03.760 --> 02:51:05.255
anyone else in this room has worked out

02:51:05.279 --> 02:51:07.096
how to be in two places at once we

02:51:07.120 --> 02:51:08.536
currently have two standing committees

02:51:08.560 --> 02:51:10.936
on at the same time  I was criticized

02:51:10.960 --> 02:51:12.536
in the last council meeting for not

02:51:12.560 --> 02:51:14.136
providing input not being at the

02:51:14.160 --> 02:51:15.816
committee and and asking questions then

02:51:15.840 --> 02:51:17.736
about the relationship partnership

02:51:17.760 --> 02:51:19.896
policy or whatever it's called  that's

02:51:19.920 --> 02:51:21.255
because I was already attending another

02:51:21.279 --> 02:51:23.415
coun another committee meeting  I've

02:51:23.439 --> 02:51:25.496
watched staff racing from one standing

02:51:25.520 --> 02:51:27.255
committee to another we currently

02:51:27.279 --> 02:51:28.696
because they're running on at the same

02:51:28.720 --> 02:51:31.096
time have two lots of IT staff on at the

02:51:31.120 --> 02:51:34.120
same time for me this this isn't 

02:51:34.479 --> 02:51:36.616
operating achieving that result of being

02:51:36.640 --> 02:51:39.096
efficient  it's also not achieving the

02:51:39.120 --> 02:51:41.016
the objective of being transparent when

02:51:41.040 --> 02:51:42.616
members of the public cannot can also

02:51:42.640 --> 02:51:45.455
not be in two places at once

02:51:45.479 --> 02:51:47.976
 the other the challenge that we have

02:51:48.000 --> 02:51:50.216
at the moment and and I know when in

02:51:50.240 --> 02:51:52.136
speaking to some of the counselors that

02:51:52.160 --> 02:51:53.776
having briefings before standing

02:51:53.800 --> 02:51:56.696
committees is quite is quite challenging

02:51:56.720 --> 02:51:57.896
we're we're focused on the standing

02:51:57.920 --> 02:51:59.335
committee for that night to be talking

02:51:59.359 --> 02:52:00.776
about another matter at a briefing

02:52:00.800 --> 02:52:02.696
before the standing committee  rather

02:52:02.720 --> 02:52:04.216
than actually consolidating the

02:52:04.240 --> 02:52:06.375
briefings together and having them  in

02:52:06.399 --> 02:52:09.399
a block has also been challenging  so

02:52:10.160 --> 02:52:12.455
these changes for me I I appreciate I'm

02:52:12.479 --> 02:52:13.656
standing here because I know there isn't

02:52:13.680 --> 02:52:15.576
support in the chamber to to make those

02:52:15.600 --> 02:52:17.576
changes and everyone wants to wait till

02:52:17.600 --> 02:52:20.056
September but I can tell you now I'm

02:52:20.080 --> 02:52:21.896
going to struggle to support operating

02:52:21.920 --> 02:52:23.335
continuing to operate this standing

02:52:23.359 --> 02:52:25.736
committee in the structure that it's at

02:52:25.760 --> 02:52:28.295
 after September because frankly it's

02:52:28.319 --> 02:52:30.136
become very difficult particularly for

02:52:30.160 --> 02:52:33.016
myself  and and councelor Greenwood

02:52:33.040 --> 02:52:34.856
when we don't have a caucus we don't

02:52:34.880 --> 02:52:36.216
have other members that can attend the

02:52:36.240 --> 02:52:38.216
different meetings  I am trying to

02:52:38.240 --> 02:52:39.576
attend like I did with the planning

02:52:39.600 --> 02:52:41.176
committee to attend the committee

02:52:41.200 --> 02:52:42.616
meetings and with indulgence of the

02:52:42.640 --> 02:52:44.375
chair ask questions so they're taken on

02:52:44.399 --> 02:52:46.295
notice so I'm not taking up time at the

02:52:46.319 --> 02:52:48.216
council meeting asking the questions but

02:52:48.240 --> 02:52:49.896
again I can't be in two places at once

02:52:49.920 --> 02:52:52.920
and nor can staff or the  members of

02:52:53.600 --> 02:52:56.216
the public in terms of the last point

02:52:56.240 --> 02:52:59.240
here point B  we had a a situation at

02:52:59.439 --> 02:53:00.776
the finance committee where we were

02:53:00.800 --> 02:53:02.216
asking a number of questions and at the

02:53:02.240 --> 02:53:04.375
time we were told based on the terms of

02:53:04.399 --> 02:53:05.816
reference that we wouldn't get those

02:53:05.840 --> 02:53:07.816
answers until the next standing

02:53:07.840 --> 02:53:10.696
committee which was a month away  we

02:53:10.720 --> 02:53:12.936
are now the etiquette has become it's

02:53:12.960 --> 02:53:14.375
not what's in the terms of reference but

02:53:14.399 --> 02:53:15.736
we're now getting the answers to

02:53:15.760 --> 02:53:18.136
questions at the next council meeting

02:53:18.160 --> 02:53:21.096
what point B is doing is just actually

02:53:21.120 --> 02:53:22.696
 reflecting that in the terms of

02:53:22.720 --> 02:53:24.536
reference so it is very clear about how

02:53:24.560 --> 02:53:27.335
that's operating  again I appreciate

02:53:27.359 --> 02:53:28.776
that there isn't support in the chamber

02:53:28.800 --> 02:53:30.776
but I just think it's important to make

02:53:30.800 --> 02:53:32.375
these changes so we're setting ourselves

02:53:32.399 --> 02:53:34.455
up for success thank you thank you

02:53:34.479 --> 02:53:37.096
council councelor French

02:53:37.120 --> 02:53:38.936
thank you Lord Mayor i want to speak

02:53:38.960 --> 02:53:41.496
against the motion just to note that

02:53:41.520 --> 02:53:42.496
council

02:53:42.520 --> 02:53:45.335
resolved to do this trial until

02:53:45.359 --> 02:53:47.976
September we've only had two cycles

02:53:48.000 --> 02:53:50.455
today being the end of the second cycle

02:53:50.479 --> 02:53:52.936
so I don't believe that is long enough

02:53:52.960 --> 02:53:55.415
to sufficiently review  we'll hear all

02:53:55.439 --> 02:53:58.439
of these concerns when we do our

02:53:58.640 --> 02:54:01.096
extensive review in September thank you

02:54:01.120 --> 02:54:04.120
Council Gord  thank you Lord Mayor 

02:54:05.120 --> 02:54:08.120
I support councelor Darley's position one

02:54:08.160 --> 02:54:09.496
because I'm one of the people who can't

02:54:09.520 --> 02:54:12.520
be in two places at once  two I don't

02:54:13.040 --> 02:54:14.536
think that we need to wait till

02:54:14.560 --> 02:54:16.295
September if something's really not

02:54:16.319 --> 02:54:19.319
working very well and three I suspect

02:54:19.600 --> 02:54:21.816
that leaving it the way it is is in a

02:54:21.840 --> 02:54:23.656
way setting the standing committees up

02:54:23.680 --> 02:54:25.576
to fail and I want to at least give them

02:54:25.600 --> 02:54:28.600
a fair chance of success so I'll be

02:54:28.640 --> 02:54:31.255
voting for the motion

02:54:31.279 --> 02:54:33.335
thanks councelor  all those in favor

02:54:33.359 --> 02:54:36.359
of the motion say I all those

02:54:37.240 --> 02:54:40.240
against motion failed  we'll move on

02:54:40.720 --> 02:54:42.896
to item

02:54:42.920 --> 02:54:45.415
25-9 request for information on staffing

02:54:45.439 --> 02:54:48.439
matters second oh

02:54:49.680 --> 02:54:51.856
move it you going to second it yeah

02:54:51.880 --> 02:54:54.880
councelor Jeffrey second it's going to

02:54:55.279 --> 02:54:57.576
be in a minute  another one for me

02:54:57.600 --> 02:54:59.896
that  that the title's been changed 

02:54:59.920 --> 02:55:02.216
what I was what I'm looking for here is

02:55:02.240 --> 02:55:05.240
 statistics on our workforce  often

02:55:05.760 --> 02:55:08.760
people ask me what counselors do we

02:55:09.200 --> 02:55:10.616
actually had a long conversation with a

02:55:10.640 --> 02:55:12.776
gentleman on Saturday night at the at

02:55:12.800 --> 02:55:15.496
Simon at the the family  movie night

02:55:15.520 --> 02:55:17.656
 and there is confusion in the

02:55:17.680 --> 02:55:20.680
community and what's been helpful for me

02:55:20.800 --> 02:55:22.375
I recently attended the company

02:55:22.399 --> 02:55:23.656
director's course i know a number of

02:55:23.680 --> 02:55:25.496
other counselors have either done it or

02:55:25.520 --> 02:55:28.136
in the process of doing that and you

02:55:28.160 --> 02:55:29.976
know for me when I talk to the community

02:55:30.000 --> 02:55:32.856
I talk about the fact that we are both

02:55:32.880 --> 02:55:34.616
similar to a board but we're also

02:55:34.640 --> 02:55:37.576
different we have  a level of advocacy

02:55:37.600 --> 02:55:40.600
and representation that is different 

02:55:40.720 --> 02:55:41.776
to a

02:55:41.800 --> 02:55:44.800
board but ultimately we have the

02:55:44.920 --> 02:55:47.896
oversight for council as an organization

02:55:47.920 --> 02:55:49.976
we're the ones that the community elects

02:55:50.000 --> 02:55:53.000
and holds accountable so for me to be

02:55:53.200 --> 02:55:55.016
able to make the informed decision and I

02:55:55.040 --> 02:55:56.455
I won't read everyone the local

02:55:56.479 --> 02:55:58.776
government act but in terms of our roles

02:55:58.800 --> 02:56:00.936
we need the information to make an

02:56:00.960 --> 02:56:03.335
informed decision it's the CEO's role to

02:56:03.359 --> 02:56:05.176
also provide us with that information to

02:56:05.200 --> 02:56:07.096
make an informed decision the

02:56:07.120 --> 02:56:09.096
information that I've requested very

02:56:09.120 --> 02:56:11.656
clearly for each of these items relates

02:56:11.680 --> 02:56:13.496
to either a strategic objective that

02:56:13.520 --> 02:56:15.415
we've endorsed in this chamber through

02:56:15.439 --> 02:56:18.439
the workforce  management strategy or

02:56:18.479 --> 02:56:21.176
it refers to budget budgetary 

02:56:21.200 --> 02:56:22.696
measures that we've put in place or

02:56:22.720 --> 02:56:25.415
objectives  I know there's been some

02:56:25.439 --> 02:56:28.136
confusion that the information that I'm

02:56:28.160 --> 02:56:30.295
looking for is about  you know that

02:56:30.319 --> 02:56:32.056
potentially may breach privacy this is

02:56:32.080 --> 02:56:34.856
all aggregated deidentified information

02:56:34.880 --> 02:56:36.536
this is all at a high level i had a

02:56:36.560 --> 02:56:39.136
great chat today where's he

02:56:39.160 --> 02:56:42.160
gone where's Lenny there you are sorry

02:56:42.800 --> 02:56:45.800
i'm confused  and you know the staff I

02:56:46.160 --> 02:56:47.736
think we're on this the same page now

02:56:47.760 --> 02:56:49.496
after after that conversation we've

02:56:49.520 --> 02:56:51.496
clarified some of the misunderstandings

02:56:51.520 --> 02:56:53.816
around the wording  I appreciate the

02:56:53.840 --> 02:56:55.415
staff are still working through this i

02:56:55.439 --> 02:56:57.096
know there's going to be an amendment

02:56:57.120 --> 02:56:58.696
about making sure that we're meeting all

02:56:58.720 --> 02:57:01.496
our legal requirements but ultimately as

02:57:01.520 --> 02:57:04.520
councilors we have the responsibility

02:57:05.040 --> 02:57:07.176
 and the obligation to make sure we

02:57:07.200 --> 02:57:09.976
are providing a safe work in  work

02:57:10.000 --> 02:57:11.976
environment but that we're meeting the

02:57:12.000 --> 02:57:13.896
the targets and objectives that we set

02:57:13.920 --> 02:57:15.496
and we can only do that when we have the

02:57:15.520 --> 02:57:18.295
information i'll use  vacancy rate as

02:57:18.319 --> 02:57:21.016
an example there's been a lot of debate

02:57:21.040 --> 02:57:22.776
about whether we were aware of the

02:57:22.800 --> 02:57:24.536
vacancy rate that informed the budget

02:57:24.560 --> 02:57:27.560
last  for this year that that aside 

02:57:28.160 --> 02:57:30.776
the budget's been built on a 17% vacancy

02:57:30.800 --> 02:57:33.176
rate we need that data to be presented

02:57:33.200 --> 02:57:35.096
to us on a regular basis so we know how

02:57:35.120 --> 02:57:36.776
we're tracking by having that

02:57:36.800 --> 02:57:39.335
information in a timely way it allows us

02:57:39.359 --> 02:57:41.176
as a chamber to make those strategic

02:57:41.200 --> 02:57:43.816
policy decisions to either rep

02:57:43.840 --> 02:57:46.056
prioritize funding and and allocation of

02:57:46.080 --> 02:57:49.080
resources to to assist us in achieving

02:57:49.200 --> 02:57:50.696
what we're trying to achieve but without

02:57:50.720 --> 02:57:52.455
that information it's very hard to do

02:57:52.479 --> 02:57:54.455
that this is all information I've

02:57:54.479 --> 02:57:56.776
mentioned that we have had previously 

02:57:56.800 --> 02:57:58.856
it's information that our audit and risk

02:57:58.880 --> 02:58:01.176
committee gets in some form  what I'm

02:58:01.200 --> 02:58:02.856
trying to do is standardize that i was

02:58:02.880 --> 02:58:05.335
very excited about the fact that 

02:58:05.359 --> 02:58:07.415
staff are speaking with local government

02:58:07.439 --> 02:58:09.176
New South Wales to look at actually

02:58:09.200 --> 02:58:10.936
setting this as a template across the

02:58:10.960 --> 02:58:13.960
state  it amazes me that as councils

02:58:14.160 --> 02:58:15.896
we all operate quite separately

02:58:15.920 --> 02:58:17.496
sometimes and that there isn't a

02:58:17.520 --> 02:58:20.136
standard template for this so similar to

02:58:20.160 --> 02:58:21.816
guidelines that have been developed 

02:58:21.840 --> 02:58:24.840
or updated recently nearly finished

02:58:27.680 --> 02:58:30.216
those in favor I don't want to against

02:58:30.240 --> 02:58:32.056
go ahead for the quarterly budget review

02:58:32.080 --> 02:58:33.896
if we can actually be the leaders in

02:58:33.920 --> 02:58:36.295
this space and set a standard that

02:58:36.319 --> 02:58:39.176
councils then can report consistently

02:58:39.200 --> 02:58:40.536
it'll be great for us to be able to

02:58:40.560 --> 02:58:41.976
bench up mark ourselves to other

02:58:42.000 --> 02:58:44.536
councils to have that information in a

02:58:44.560 --> 02:58:46.375
consistent format  I don't know if

02:58:46.399 --> 02:58:48.455
anyone's gone on to the office for local

02:58:48.479 --> 02:58:49.816
government website you can actually

02:58:49.840 --> 02:58:52.216
select different councils and compare 

02:58:52.240 --> 02:58:54.295
how the councils are both in rates and a

02:58:54.319 --> 02:58:56.056
whole range of other factors and to be

02:58:56.080 --> 02:58:58.536
able to also then see  staffing levels

02:58:58.560 --> 02:59:00.216
and the information provided here will

02:59:00.240 --> 02:59:03.176
be extremely helpful as well so this for

02:59:03.200 --> 02:59:05.335
me is about us fulfilling our 

02:59:05.359 --> 02:59:07.016
responsibilities and obligations under

02:59:07.040 --> 02:59:08.936
the local government act to be able to

02:59:08.960 --> 02:59:10.856
have oversight of the organization and

02:59:10.880 --> 02:59:12.295
ensure that we can support the

02:59:12.319 --> 02:59:14.536
organization in the best way possible 

02:59:14.560 --> 02:59:17.496
and make the necessary changes  with

02:59:17.520 --> 02:59:20.056
the CEO as needed throughout the year so

02:59:20.080 --> 02:59:23.080
 thank you Lord Mayor  council French

02:59:24.160 --> 02:59:25.616
thank you Lord Mayor i'd like to move an

02:59:25.640 --> 02:59:28.640
amendment  the amendment I believe is

02:59:29.200 --> 02:59:32.200
on the screen in the highlighted yellow

02:59:32.399 --> 02:59:35.399
that being at the end of point A to add

02:59:35.840 --> 02:59:36.736
such

02:59:36.760 --> 02:59:39.536
as moving to point

02:59:39.560 --> 02:59:42.560
B to change the word council to council

02:59:44.439 --> 02:59:47.439
laws and to add point C that the CEO

02:59:48.800 --> 02:59:51.016
ensure that all aspects of the reporting

02:59:51.040 --> 02:59:53.816
of workforce strategy data complies with

02:59:53.840 --> 02:59:56.616
the code of conduct information privacy

02:59:56.640 --> 02:59:58.656
and protection act

02:59:58.680 --> 03:00:01.255
1998 government information public

03:00:01.279 --> 03:00:04.279
access act 2009 council's privacy

03:00:04.720 --> 03:00:07.496
management plan the local government act

03:00:07.520 --> 03:00:09.976
1993 and the local government state

03:00:10.000 --> 03:00:13.000
award 2023

03:00:14.319 --> 03:00:16.696
council you happy to accept that perfect

03:00:16.720 --> 03:00:19.720
okay  we're all in agreeance

03:00:22.160 --> 03:00:24.216
no no

03:00:24.240 --> 03:00:27.240
no all right Council Jeff you've got the

03:00:28.240 --> 03:00:31.240
floor

03:00:35.080 --> 03:00:38.080
 I would I would first like to through

03:00:38.160 --> 03:00:41.016
the mayor ask a question  I've read

03:00:41.040 --> 03:00:41.856
through

03:00:41.880 --> 03:00:44.880
the response from staff hypothetically

03:00:46.160 --> 03:00:48.776
 if I was to get concerns from

03:00:48.800 --> 03:00:51.335
residents that the lawns weren't being

03:00:51.359 --> 03:00:54.359
mowed  as often you know as is usual

03:00:55.040 --> 03:00:58.040
and I was to ask staff  to report on

03:00:59.520 --> 03:01:02.520
what our vacancy rates for frontline

03:01:03.760 --> 03:01:06.760
staff in that area was would be  is

03:01:07.040 --> 03:01:09.696
that what is considered a breach of

03:01:09.720 --> 03:01:12.720
privacy to tell me you know the vacancy

03:01:13.359 --> 03:01:16.359
rate in a percentage

03:01:19.520 --> 03:01:22.520
through me to which

03:01:22.640 --> 03:01:25.640
thank you Lord Mayor and through you 

03:01:26.399 --> 03:01:28.536
so there's two aspects there's one

03:01:28.560 --> 03:01:30.696
around privacy so at that level wouldn't

03:01:30.720 --> 03:01:33.496
be wouldn't  be a breach of any

03:01:33.520 --> 03:01:36.136
privacy at a high level but there's also

03:01:36.160 --> 03:01:37.976
also considerations around operational

03:01:38.000 --> 03:01:40.295
like management decisions as operational

03:01:40.319 --> 03:01:43.319
versus strategic  information  so 

03:01:44.720 --> 03:01:46.936
in working through

03:01:46.960 --> 03:01:49.960
 the request for information  the

03:01:50.399 --> 03:01:52.856
scenario that you provided hasn't been

03:01:52.880 --> 03:01:54.656
requested in any of this

03:01:54.680 --> 03:01:56.776
information so that wouldn't be covered

03:01:56.800 --> 03:01:58.536
in the data that was requested from

03:01:58.560 --> 03:02:01.136
councelor

03:02:01.160 --> 03:02:04.160
Darley it  but I mean this clearly

03:02:04.720 --> 03:02:07.720
alludes to staffing levels by you know

03:02:08.800 --> 03:02:11.255
level within this organization 

03:02:11.279 --> 03:02:14.279
vacancy rates I I failed to understand

03:02:14.640 --> 03:02:17.640
how it how it wouldn't

03:02:18.240 --> 03:02:20.295
through me to you yeah thank you Lord

03:02:20.319 --> 03:02:22.936
man through you  so the the wording of

03:02:22.960 --> 03:02:25.255
the notice of motion said at an employee

03:02:25.279 --> 03:02:28.279
level a vacancy at an employee level it

03:02:28.399 --> 03:02:30.375
would give the information around an

03:02:30.399 --> 03:02:32.455
individual employee So this is something

03:02:32.479 --> 03:02:34.295
that I discussed with councelor Darley it

03:02:34.319 --> 03:02:36.375
could be around the wording that has

03:02:36.399 --> 03:02:39.016
caus caused some misinterpretation but

03:02:39.040 --> 03:02:41.096
asking something at an employee level is

03:02:41.120 --> 03:02:44.120
where it becomes identifiable

03:02:44.880 --> 03:02:46.016
okay

03:02:46.040 --> 03:02:49.040
 I would move an amendment with

03:02:50.439 --> 03:02:53.439
 councelor Darley's permission to add

03:02:54.319 --> 03:02:57.319
that the information  be

03:02:57.880 --> 03:03:00.880
provided such as in line  sorry one

03:03:03.399 --> 03:03:06.399
moment such as can be legally disclosed

03:03:08.160 --> 03:03:10.816
accept but we're discussing

03:03:10.840 --> 03:03:13.840
not that can be legally disclosed

03:03:16.080 --> 03:03:18.216
can I clarify something that was just

03:03:18.240 --> 03:03:20.496
raised

03:03:20.520 --> 03:03:23.255
 is that what I want council if you're

03:03:23.279 --> 03:03:24.295
happy for a question to be asked by

03:03:24.319 --> 03:03:27.319
councelor Darling

03:03:27.359 --> 03:03:30.359
councelor Darling sorry i I must admit I

03:03:31.200 --> 03:03:32.455
it's this thing when you write something

03:03:32.479 --> 03:03:34.056
and you understand exactly what you mean

03:03:34.080 --> 03:03:35.255
but now that I can see it through the

03:03:35.279 --> 03:03:38.279
lens employee level I didn't mean  an

03:03:38.319 --> 03:03:41.319
individual employee level i talked to 

03:03:41.600 --> 03:03:43.736
to Lenny today this was about the

03:03:43.760 --> 03:03:46.136
category within the organization so

03:03:46.160 --> 03:03:49.160
grades grades yes  so I meant level as

03:03:49.600 --> 03:03:52.600
in yeah the grades  so the example

03:03:53.120 --> 03:03:55.096
Manning I mean the example I used was

03:03:55.120 --> 03:03:57.656
you know we've been  there's been a

03:03:57.680 --> 03:03:59.176
commitment that we're not we don't have

03:03:59.200 --> 03:04:01.096
vacancies in our frontline services and

03:04:01.120 --> 03:04:02.776
so for me it was having that data at

03:04:02.800 --> 03:04:05.096
that level to understand it's not at an

03:04:05.120 --> 03:04:06.856
individual employee let's just clarify

03:04:06.880 --> 03:04:09.096
that council you got some  amendment

03:04:09.120 --> 03:04:11.496
to confirm that can we change staffing

03:04:11.520 --> 03:04:14.520
levels to grades

03:04:17.439 --> 03:04:18.696
you know the grade that you're on in

03:04:18.720 --> 03:04:21.720
this organization counselor

03:04:22.479 --> 03:04:25.096
through me to to

03:04:25.120 --> 03:04:27.576
 so sorry Lord thank you Lord man

03:04:27.600 --> 03:04:30.600
through you  the just trying to work

03:04:31.040 --> 03:04:33.136
through the benefit of that

03:04:33.160 --> 03:04:35.656
because well there's some conjecture

03:04:35.680 --> 03:04:38.536
around staffing levels and that being

03:04:38.560 --> 03:04:41.560
then  giving an ability to determine

03:04:42.399 --> 03:04:44.536
kind of a particular staff member

03:04:44.560 --> 03:04:46.455
depending on the level but if you're

03:04:46.479 --> 03:04:49.335
reporting at grade there's always more

03:04:49.359 --> 03:04:51.656
than five people in a grade which means

03:04:51.680 --> 03:04:53.736
it's nonidentifiable

03:04:53.760 --> 03:04:56.760
yeah

03:04:57.160 --> 03:04:59.656
 I guess I'm trying to if not is there

03:04:59.680 --> 03:05:02.455
another another way to word it another

03:05:02.479 --> 03:05:04.056
word if there yeah cuz I'm just trying

03:05:04.080 --> 03:05:06.056
to think through the the scenarios or

03:05:06.080 --> 03:05:07.816
the examples that both  councelor

03:05:07.840 --> 03:05:10.840
Jeffrey and councelor Darley  provided

03:05:10.880 --> 03:05:12.776
the grade wouldn't address that because

03:05:12.800 --> 03:05:14.696
the grades are consistent across indoor

03:05:14.720 --> 03:05:16.536
and outdoor workforce so if you're

03:05:16.560 --> 03:05:18.976
looking at an impact on operational

03:05:19.000 --> 03:05:22.000
staff the grade's not going to be the

03:05:24.479 --> 03:05:27.479
Yeah the the right reporting mechanism

03:05:28.160 --> 03:05:29.656
so but the staffing levels so

03:05:29.680 --> 03:05:32.136
effectively what we're asking for my

03:05:32.160 --> 03:05:35.160
understanding is the grade per business

03:05:35.200 --> 03:05:37.576
unit assing that there is no less than

03:05:37.600 --> 03:05:39.816
five per grade in a particular business

03:05:39.840 --> 03:05:42.840
unit

03:05:43.680 --> 03:05:45.736
through you through through me to the

03:05:45.760 --> 03:05:48.760
sea yes Lord i think the clarity is in

03:05:48.800 --> 03:05:50.856
the use of the word levels in staffing

03:05:50.880 --> 03:05:52.696
levels in that first point and

03:05:52.720 --> 03:05:54.536
throughout the rest of the motion where

03:05:54.560 --> 03:05:57.560
it where it refers to employee level and

03:05:58.160 --> 03:05:59.576
I think we're mixing up two different

03:05:59.600 --> 03:06:02.600
things there's no concern with point A.1

03:06:03.120 --> 03:06:05.096
sorry as it's currently written the

03:06:05.120 --> 03:06:05.936
concern

03:06:05.960 --> 03:06:08.616
arises where the words employee level

03:06:08.640 --> 03:06:09.896
are used throughout the rest of the

03:06:09.920 --> 03:06:11.736
motion but if we scroll down please

03:06:11.760 --> 03:06:14.760
minute taker the proposed amendment 

03:06:15.520 --> 03:06:17.136
that has been accepted by councelor

03:06:17.160 --> 03:06:20.160
Darley it covers that concern in point C

03:06:21.359 --> 03:06:24.295
so where there are references to employ

03:06:24.319 --> 03:06:25.816
report reporting by employee level

03:06:25.840 --> 03:06:27.816
elsewhere within the motion we can

03:06:27.840 --> 03:06:30.056
ensure that that reporting doesn't occur

03:06:30.080 --> 03:06:32.616
where there are too small too small a

03:06:32.640 --> 03:06:35.176
group of employees at a particular level

03:06:35.200 --> 03:06:37.415
okay so for example the comment that was

03:06:37.439 --> 03:06:39.016
made around only have there would be

03:06:39.040 --> 03:06:40.536
cases where there are more than five

03:06:40.560 --> 03:06:43.016
people in a grade that's not the case

03:06:43.040 --> 03:06:45.335
sure okay cool so I think the yellow

03:06:45.359 --> 03:06:46.856
which has been I think accepted by

03:06:46.880 --> 03:06:48.856
councelor Daly addresses that concern

03:06:48.880 --> 03:06:51.335
right so I'm concerned with the words

03:06:51.359 --> 03:06:52.255
such

03:06:52.279 --> 03:06:55.096
as and I I appreciate that you've

03:06:55.120 --> 03:06:57.656
accepted it but effectively what we've

03:06:57.680 --> 03:06:58.496
just

03:06:58.520 --> 03:07:01.520
done is we we had a list of things that

03:07:02.000 --> 03:07:04.295
we've wanted but by putting the word

03:07:04.319 --> 03:07:06.696
such as in front of it we haven't

03:07:06.720 --> 03:07:09.216
compelled the organization to do

03:07:09.240 --> 03:07:12.216
anything such as but you know we choose

03:07:12.240 --> 03:07:14.536
not true you may the intention is to

03:07:14.560 --> 03:07:15.896
address all of those i know what the

03:07:15.920 --> 03:07:17.016
intention is but that's not what the

03:07:17.040 --> 03:07:19.335
words say with Well then my preference

03:07:19.359 --> 03:07:22.295
is if you want to my advice is if you

03:07:22.319 --> 03:07:24.776
want to have a lawful motion then you

03:07:24.800 --> 03:07:26.856
either use the word such as or you

03:07:26.880 --> 03:07:29.016
delete such as and you remove every

03:07:29.040 --> 03:07:31.455
reference to employee level well wait a

03:07:31.479 --> 03:07:34.479
second you we were just told that item C

03:07:34.720 --> 03:07:36.335
addresses the legal

03:07:36.359 --> 03:07:38.696
implications associated with it so you

03:07:38.720 --> 03:07:40.056
either have such as or the legal

03:07:40.080 --> 03:07:42.936
implications choose one  through you

03:07:42.960 --> 03:07:44.936
Lord Mayor I believe we need both

03:07:44.960 --> 03:07:46.455
because whilstever the reference but

03:07:46.479 --> 03:07:48.656
then you can choose to take things out

03:07:48.680 --> 03:07:51.680
of the Roman nerals 1 to8 because it

03:07:52.640 --> 03:07:54.696
says such as it's your discretion to

03:07:54.720 --> 03:07:56.056
take anything out of that should we say

03:07:56.080 --> 03:07:57.816
including

03:07:57.840 --> 03:08:00.840
instead of such as including is clearer

03:08:01.439 --> 03:08:03.415
including is better i'm I'm comfortable

03:08:03.439 --> 03:08:05.656
with including but I'm not comfortable

03:08:05.680 --> 03:08:07.176
with such as because it's open for

03:08:07.200 --> 03:08:08.776
interpretation including is not limited

03:08:08.800 --> 03:08:11.736
to that it's at least that plus more

03:08:11.760 --> 03:08:13.896
Lord Mayor in response to councelor

03:08:13.920 --> 03:08:16.920
Isa's question  I would be comfortable

03:08:17.439 --> 03:08:20.176
that the motion was lawful if we also

03:08:20.200 --> 03:08:23.016
deleted if we delete such as we also

03:08:23.040 --> 03:08:24.936
delete all references to reporting at an

03:08:24.960 --> 03:08:27.016
individual employee level as currently

03:08:27.040 --> 03:08:28.295
contained in the motion where does it

03:08:28.319 --> 03:08:31.319
say individual employee level is 

03:08:31.439 --> 03:08:34.136
referenced in about two or three of the

03:08:34.160 --> 03:08:36.776
 points but it's not individual is

03:08:36.800 --> 03:08:38.936
taken at an employee level is

03:08:38.960 --> 03:08:41.415
interpreted  under the award as

03:08:41.439 --> 03:08:43.496
individual employees so I suggest you

03:08:43.520 --> 03:08:46.520
remove that from point 2.3

03:08:48.040 --> 03:08:51.040
  the  reference to including

03:08:51.920 --> 03:08:54.455
monthly incidents and where's level it

03:08:54.479 --> 03:08:57.479
should say grade

03:08:59.120 --> 03:09:01.415
No not grade no well something other

03:09:01.439 --> 03:09:03.536
than individual category so I think the

03:09:03.560 --> 03:09:05.816
categories those categories why why

03:09:05.840 --> 03:09:07.415
wouldn't grade be appropriate if we

03:09:07.439 --> 03:09:09.656
operate using a grading system yeah

03:09:09.680 --> 03:09:11.976
through you Lord Mayor if you look at the

03:09:12.000 --> 03:09:15.000
first item or category staffing levels

03:09:15.120 --> 03:09:16.616
vacancies staff turnover rate

03:09:16.640 --> 03:09:18.375
recruitment excess leave work health and

03:09:18.399 --> 03:09:19.496
safety professional development

03:09:19.520 --> 03:09:21.576
workplace relations they are all

03:09:21.600 --> 03:09:24.600
intended to be reported on the concern

03:09:24.720 --> 03:09:26.696
arises with some of the more detailed

03:09:26.720 --> 03:09:28.536
requests that follow that so if council

03:09:28.560 --> 03:09:31.016
is happy with those categories

03:09:31.040 --> 03:09:33.016
 including the categories listed below

03:09:33.040 --> 03:09:34.776
could replace the words such as for

03:09:34.800 --> 03:09:37.800
example

03:09:38.600 --> 03:09:41.576
so let's just take an example and go

03:09:41.600 --> 03:09:44.136
through number three Roman neral three

03:09:44.160 --> 03:09:46.295
staff turnover just arbitrary example

03:09:46.319 --> 03:09:48.255
you choose any of them but that's the

03:09:48.279 --> 03:09:51.279
one overall monthly enrolling annual as

03:09:51.520 --> 03:09:53.736
well as by directorate and employee

03:09:53.760 --> 03:09:56.760
level I'm I'm struggling to understand

03:09:57.279 --> 03:10:00.176
And the issue with

03:10:00.200 --> 03:10:03.200
that look where where at what point do

03:10:03.600 --> 03:10:05.576
we get to you know if we're going to

03:10:05.600 --> 03:10:08.056
give that just read that verbatim and

03:10:08.080 --> 03:10:09.335
say this is the information the

03:10:09.359 --> 03:10:11.415
council's asked for at what point does

03:10:11.439 --> 03:10:14.136
that become identifiable

03:10:14.160 --> 03:10:15.976
 through you lord me reporting at an

03:10:16.000 --> 03:10:19.000
employee level  is interpreted as

03:10:19.359 --> 03:10:21.016
employing on an individual employee

03:10:21.040 --> 03:10:23.335
level okay but it doesn't say

03:10:23.359 --> 03:10:26.216
interpreted under the order

03:10:26.240 --> 03:10:29.240
job code surely point C category

03:10:29.359 --> 03:10:31.496
clarifies that anyway employee category

03:10:31.520 --> 03:10:33.976
instead of level

03:10:34.000 --> 03:10:37.000
or job grades yeah by grade

03:10:38.960 --> 03:10:40.696
do we not Okay maybe through you to the

03:10:40.720 --> 03:10:43.720
relevant officer Lord Mayor do council

03:10:43.760 --> 03:10:46.760
staff  through the award operate at

03:10:47.040 --> 03:10:49.255
grades

03:10:49.279 --> 03:10:50.776
like are there grades that people are

03:10:50.800 --> 03:10:52.455
employed in like I know in the state

03:10:52.479 --> 03:10:54.776
government we've got grades three to 12

03:10:54.800 --> 03:10:57.576
and then there's SEB this  thank you

03:10:57.600 --> 03:11:00.056
Lord man through you we've got a 21 21

03:11:00.080 --> 03:11:02.696
grade salary system so we've got grades

03:11:02.720 --> 03:11:05.096
great so change level to grade and we're

03:11:05.120 --> 03:11:08.120
sorted now I would remove such as as

03:11:08.479 --> 03:11:10.936
again it's make it including that's

03:11:10.960 --> 03:11:13.960
called including y y  and I don't look

03:11:14.800 --> 03:11:17.656
I I'm going to I'm comfortable leaving C

03:11:17.680 --> 03:11:20.680
in there but I find it a little bit

03:11:20.880 --> 03:11:22.455
offensive that we're telling the

03:11:22.479 --> 03:11:25.479
organization to comply with legislation

03:11:26.319 --> 03:11:28.295
Why do we need to do that if the if the

03:11:28.319 --> 03:11:29.896
organization isn't complying with

03:11:29.920 --> 03:11:32.656
legislation 

03:11:32.680 --> 03:11:35.176
we're we're in breach as the governing

03:11:35.200 --> 03:11:37.415
body as well as them we don't need to

03:11:37.439 --> 03:11:39.576
tell you to act within the law you

03:11:39.600 --> 03:11:41.496
should be doing that anyway yeah through

03:11:41.520 --> 03:11:44.520
me look mayor the reason  why that has

03:11:45.520 --> 03:11:48.520
been included is because  my review of

03:11:49.279 --> 03:11:51.016
the information previously provided to

03:11:51.040 --> 03:11:52.856
councilors was that it constituted a

03:11:52.880 --> 03:11:54.455
breach of legislation cool so don't give

03:11:54.479 --> 03:11:57.255
it to us if it's a breed expectation on

03:11:57.279 --> 03:11:59.816
the  quarterly reporting and the

03:11:59.840 --> 03:12:01.656
example that was provided by councelor

03:12:01.680 --> 03:12:04.680
Darley to  the exe the  chief people

03:12:05.520 --> 03:12:08.520
officer included examples of  previous

03:12:09.359 --> 03:12:11.335
reporting that had reached legislation

03:12:11.359 --> 03:12:14.056
and my concern was that there was an

03:12:14.080 --> 03:12:16.536
expectation that that type of reporting

03:12:16.560 --> 03:12:18.696
would be provided again and I was not

03:12:18.720 --> 03:12:21.496
prepared to do so is it new legislation

03:12:21.520 --> 03:12:24.520
no it is not new legislation so the pre

03:12:25.040 --> 03:12:26.856
the previous

03:12:26.880 --> 03:12:29.880
the previous council and the executive

03:12:30.160 --> 03:12:31.816
breach legislation by giving this

03:12:31.840 --> 03:12:33.496
chamber certain information is that what

03:12:33.520 --> 03:12:36.520
you're suggesting yes

03:12:36.640 --> 03:12:38.936
 can I suggest maybe staffing grade

03:12:38.960 --> 03:12:41.896
rather than employee level is yeah grade

03:12:41.920 --> 03:12:44.856
no but staffing grade okay instead of

03:12:44.880 --> 03:12:47.056
employee

03:12:47.080 --> 03:12:50.080
employing grade it's over here or job

03:12:50.240 --> 03:12:52.455
grade like Yeah so which one would you

03:12:52.479 --> 03:12:55.016
prefer through me to you Lenny staffing

03:12:55.040 --> 03:12:57.176
grade job

03:12:57.200 --> 03:12:59.736
 so job grade would be the sorry Lord

03:12:59.760 --> 03:13:01.255
May through you  job grade would be

03:13:01.279 --> 03:13:04.279
the consistent  can let's change

03:13:04.479 --> 03:13:07.479
employee level to job grade

03:13:08.319 --> 03:13:10.536
okay and then the concern if there is

03:13:10.560 --> 03:13:12.056
less than five will be addressed by

03:13:12.080 --> 03:13:15.080
paragraph C you report back to us and go

03:13:15.200 --> 03:13:18.136
it's too small of a cohort cohort to

03:13:18.160 --> 03:13:21.096
report on and we yeah it's it's easily

03:13:21.120 --> 03:13:24.056
identifiable we'd understand that okay

03:13:24.080 --> 03:13:26.856
awesome  just I wanted to clarify one

03:13:26.880 --> 03:13:29.016
point  councelor Jeffrey your request

03:13:29.040 --> 03:13:30.455
about the legal thing there's no need

03:13:30.479 --> 03:13:32.375
for that because we've accepted

03:13:32.399 --> 03:13:34.696
councelor Dal has accepted paragraph C

03:13:34.720 --> 03:13:36.776
so yeah there's no need to for council

03:13:36.800 --> 03:13:38.856
da to accept your amendment it's an

03:13:38.880 --> 03:13:41.016
evolving collective process yes so we

03:13:41.040 --> 03:13:43.176
we've evolved we got Yeah through you

03:13:43.200 --> 03:13:45.736
Lord Mayor 

03:13:45.760 --> 03:13:47.656
 Lenny has just advised that we

03:13:47.680 --> 03:13:49.096
perhaps need to add the workers

03:13:49.120 --> 03:13:52.120
compensation legislation to part C as

03:13:52.880 --> 03:13:55.335
well to be inclusive

03:13:55.359 --> 03:13:57.896
we should add the vibe as well that's

03:13:57.920 --> 03:14:00.415
fine  yeah add the

03:14:00.439 --> 03:14:02.056
constitution you're fine with that

03:14:02.080 --> 03:14:04.936
Council Jeffrey cool just add it i just

03:14:04.960 --> 03:14:06.776
prefer to say legislative requirements

03:14:06.800 --> 03:14:08.215
this way could we could be missing one

03:14:08.239 --> 03:14:11.239
but anyway previous exposure i'm happy

03:14:11.600 --> 03:14:14.600
to be guided by the experts fantastic

03:14:14.800 --> 03:14:17.255
with no further Sorry can I have a ride

03:14:17.279 --> 03:14:19.976
yes you may yes we're about to vote for

03:14:20.000 --> 03:14:23.000
Kelly let's let it go

03:14:30.800 --> 03:14:32.415
everyone for the support

03:14:32.439 --> 03:14:34.656
then I

03:14:34.680 --> 03:14:37.680
I wanted to say all those in favor I

03:14:38.080 --> 03:14:39.936
anyone against no

03:14:39.960 --> 03:14:42.776
fantastic we'll now move on to 

03:14:42.800 --> 03:14:44.536
questions with notice answers have been

03:14:44.560 --> 03:14:47.560
published in the agenda no mover or

03:14:47.840 --> 03:14:50.375
second is required can I can I ask a

03:14:50.399 --> 03:14:53.399
question on that

03:14:53.840 --> 03:14:55.496
you can as long as it directly relates

03:14:55.520 --> 03:14:57.496
to the response you make thank you Lord

03:14:57.520 --> 03:14:59.696
 just on 

03:14:59.720 --> 03:15:02.536
257 it was advised that  the state

03:15:02.560 --> 03:15:04.295
government let me just pull this out 

03:15:04.319 --> 03:15:05.455
the state

03:15:05.479 --> 03:15:08.479
government did offer us to buy Royal

03:15:09.520 --> 03:15:12.520
Oakite or  I just want to see I it

03:15:13.120 --> 03:15:14.776
wasn't clear from the response when that

03:15:14.800 --> 03:15:16.176
communication happened with the state

03:15:16.200 --> 03:15:19.200
government where 

03:15:23.200 --> 03:15:25.496
councelor sorry's happy to answer that

03:15:25.520 --> 03:15:27.415
question she knows the answer thank you

03:15:27.439 --> 03:15:28.856
through you Lord Mayor the state

03:15:28.880 --> 03:15:30.776
government has on several occasions in

03:15:30.800 --> 03:15:33.096
response to our letters indicated in

03:15:33.120 --> 03:15:34.936
Transport for New South Wales regular

03:15:34.960 --> 03:15:36.455
meetings that they would be happy for

03:15:36.479 --> 03:15:38.375
council to purchase the site but we're

03:15:38.399 --> 03:15:41.399
not  under any circstances prepared

03:15:41.520 --> 03:15:44.520
to  convert it to open space or

03:15:44.800 --> 03:15:47.335
dedicate it free of cost to council or

03:15:47.359 --> 03:15:49.816
anything of that nature so there was 

03:15:49.840 --> 03:15:51.335
they were happy to enter into a

03:15:51.359 --> 03:15:53.976
commercial arrangement  but they were

03:15:54.000 --> 03:15:56.536
not happy to gift the site to the public

03:15:56.560 --> 03:15:59.560
oh  thank you CEO not mayor  I just

03:16:00.479 --> 03:16:01.816
want to make one thing very clear we

03:16:01.840 --> 03:16:03.255
don't want to lose this site this should

03:16:03.279 --> 03:16:06.279
not be sold to any commercial entity

03:16:07.279 --> 03:16:10.136
we have lost Royal Oak i want to make

03:16:10.160 --> 03:16:11.415
make it clear and this is something this

03:16:11.439 --> 03:16:12.696
is the first time I'm coming you know

03:16:12.720 --> 03:16:15.720
hearing about this that   there has

03:16:16.080 --> 03:16:18.375
been talks about selling this this

03:16:18.399 --> 03:16:20.295
should not happen Royal Oak should not

03:16:20.319 --> 03:16:22.696
be sold and if it means that we come

03:16:22.720 --> 03:16:24.136
back with a norm and write to the state

03:16:24.160 --> 03:16:26.295
government again we should but it should

03:16:26.319 --> 03:16:29.319
stay in community hands

03:16:31.600 --> 03:16:34.600
 so

03:16:34.680 --> 03:16:36.856
Kadali not going to debate each one of

03:16:36.880 --> 03:16:39.096
the questions  but there is one that I

03:16:39.120 --> 03:16:40.696
Just wanted to to highlight I have

03:16:40.720 --> 03:16:43.096
already raised it with Miss Kado it's on

03:16:43.120 --> 03:16:44.576
page

03:16:44.600 --> 03:16:47.600
381  it was councel's question about

03:16:48.000 --> 03:16:51.000
do the auditors cateor categorically

03:16:51.359 --> 03:16:53.856
review the QBRS and its alignment to the

03:16:53.880 --> 03:16:55.856
regulations

03:16:55.880 --> 03:16:58.215
 Lord Mayor I'm not sure the process

03:16:58.239 --> 03:17:00.056
here but I asked the audit office this

03:17:00.080 --> 03:17:03.016
and they sorry we were on questions with

03:17:03.040 --> 03:17:05.736
notice so I'll move on sorry to

03:17:05.760 --> 03:17:07.255
questions taken on notice and now you

03:17:07.279 --> 03:17:09.496
got the floor thank you perfect so I'm

03:17:09.520 --> 03:17:11.255
not sure what the the process is here i

03:17:11.279 --> 03:17:13.255
had raised this with staff but this

03:17:13.279 --> 03:17:14.936
response is contrary to what the audit

03:17:14.960 --> 03:17:17.960
officers actually informed me

03:17:18.880 --> 03:17:21.880
well I guess from I'll go from me to

03:17:22.800 --> 03:17:25.800
either emit or Jen so which which  so

03:17:26.880 --> 03:17:28.696
it's it's the question that councelora

03:17:28.720 --> 03:17:30.215
asked about whether the audit office

03:17:30.239 --> 03:17:32.776
checks another question about our

03:17:32.800 --> 03:17:35.800
alignment to the regulations  they

03:17:36.560 --> 03:17:38.536
they told me they take a copy of the

03:17:38.560 --> 03:17:39.896
quarterly budget review but they don't

03:17:39.920 --> 03:17:41.096
review it they just check that we've

03:17:41.120 --> 03:17:44.120
actually done it

03:17:47.040 --> 03:17:49.656
i'm just clarifying is was this your

03:17:49.680 --> 03:17:52.680
original question taken on notice

03:17:53.200 --> 03:17:55.816
so are we I'm not sure whether another

03:17:55.840 --> 03:17:57.496
counselor I can ask a question on your

03:17:57.520 --> 03:18:00.520
behalf though counselor

03:18:01.600 --> 03:18:03.176
all right  who would like to take that

03:18:03.200 --> 03:18:05.335
one

03:18:05.359 --> 03:18:08.359
 emit through you Lord Mayor  I can

03:18:09.040 --> 03:18:11.415
confirm that audit office always asks

03:18:11.439 --> 03:18:13.176
for the quarterly reports every year

03:18:13.200 --> 03:18:14.936
this year as well the quarterly reports

03:18:14.960 --> 03:18:17.415
have been provided to them  as far as

03:18:17.439 --> 03:18:19.176
the scope of audit office is concerned

03:18:19.200 --> 03:18:21.816
we  it's beyond our control on what

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they can really check and what they

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can't but we do provide and we wait for

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the questions if any from their end

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it's true but that's true all right no

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further questions What we'll do

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councilors it's up to you whether you'd

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want to move into close session or

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whether you like to move by exception

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let's move the procedure yeah happy to

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do that 10.1

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cool  all those in favor of the

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procedural motion to move  the

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confidential item by exception prevents

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us from having to go into close session

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so all those in favor of the procedural

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motion I anyone against no so do we now

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put the procedure motion to a vote cool

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so now I'll put that motion 

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25-3 to a a vote all those in favor I

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anyone against no carried

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unanimously  with that being said

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 the see

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the C what

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there's no need to go to close session

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ceo now needs to read it

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that's the protocol so so  CO you

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please read the motion that just was

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that was just adopted

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Lord Mayor in regard to the item that

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was dealt with by exception in open

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session of council report

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CO25-3 confidential design services

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procurement civic link block 3 project

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council resolved as follows a that

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council note the extenduating

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circstances arising from the lead

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design consultant for the civic link

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block 3 project being placed into

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receiverhip and further note that at the

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time of preparation of this report the

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process to terminate the consultant is

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underway be that council in accordance

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with section 5531 of the local

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government act

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1993 authorize the chief executive

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officer to enter into a new contract for

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design services without inviting new

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tenders which would otherwise be

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required under section 60 55 of the

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local government act c that council

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resolves that a satisfactory result for

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final design of the civic link block 3

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would not be achieved by inviting new

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tenders for the following reasons one

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the detailed design docentation has

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achieved the 50% milestone two the

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likely extensive delay to the design

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program approximately four quart to five

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months and construction program three

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the terms of existing and proposed

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external funding agreements four the

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interdependence interdependencies of

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program for the nearby powerhouse

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development and five the extensive

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project design knowledge of the current

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engineering subcontractor Arcadus

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Proprietary Limited who is proposed to

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be contracted as the design consultant

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for the project d that council delegate

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to the CEO the authority to negotiate

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appoint a point and execute a contract

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with Arcadus Proprietary Limited for

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design and construction stage services

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for the Civic Link Block 3 project due

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to the extenduating circstances and

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reasons outlined above e that if Arcadus

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Proprietary Limited does not enter into

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a satisfactory contract with council for

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design services a further report be

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provided to council thank you Lord Me 

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there be no further business of the

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agenda I declare the meeting closed at

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10:15 thanks councilors